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Thanks for the spelling stuff, as you may know English is not my first language :) --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 00:51, 13 January 2007 (CET)

Hard to tell,usually, but we expect the average Dutchman to speak better English than the average Canadian (never mind Americans.) It occurred to me yesterday, though, that your English seems practically perfect on AF/BP, or here in the internal communication, but you make more mistakes in compositions. Seems odd, but maybe it's just familiarity with a style...--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 20:38, 13 January 2007 (CET)

I suppose that depends on whether killing Vorbis counts as smiting...--[[User:acgs1|acgs1]]

I would not edit it if it was not mentioned a Polish cuisine. I checked the only word which sounded similar (and describing similar concept) and I've checked its translation by wikipedia. In Polish cuisine I've never met other fat then pork fat as "Smalec" - especially that since recently (i.e. 20 c) chicken was considered rather expensive dish and it wasn't common meat. Either way the information was incorrect (as chicken fat is not the only one and at least in one cuisine from two mentioned not the most popular).

Yiddish origin of English makes little change as Yiddish was a language of Ashkenazi Jewish and originiated as some sort of mixture of Hebrew and German with addition of other languages. Probably thay trasfered the method of using the fat with the exception of pork for well-known religios issues. But [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmaltz wikipedia] is unclear on this issue (it was so german-sounding I haven't check on english wikipedia only checking the translation - which is my error).

According to my knowledge (I used to learn french and I haven't everything forget I hope) ''Laissez-faire'' means literary ''please let us do''. I have met it only in connection with economics and I've never met it in English in any other context. As it is english-language wiki it would imply this conection - however I'm far from being a native speaker so I prefered to ask for clarification. --[[User:uzytkownik|uzytkownik]]

== Pronouns ==

I thought "their" was the correct use when the person is unidentified. Or has political correctness been thrown out of the door and are we going back to "his" instead of "their"? --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 19:45, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Well, that's a toughie when The Author Himself avoids agreement of number at all costs. I don't think you could call it correct, but everybody's certainly doing it (like greengrocer's apostrophes.) We could make it an internal convention - one never knows, do they?

Is the same thing happening in Dutch? You must have had agreement of number, too. ("Your" didn't fit, anyway.}--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 21:08, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

There is a distinction in number, but considering that there are several houses in [[Empirical Crescent]], "their" seems justified. And yes, it'd be the same issue in Dutch. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 22:22, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

:Only, you weren't referring to several houses; the subjects were "everybody" and "someone", singular. Nope, you can get away with it because it's PC, or because all the kids are doing it, or (especially here) because Pterry does it, but you can't pretend it makes sense.--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 16:10, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

:Not only does Pterry do it, Shakespeare did it, Dickens did it, Austen did it, Thackeray did it. It's been extant in English as long as modern English has existed--[[User:Attercop|Attercop]] 07:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately true. The other day I heard a radio columnist refer first to "managers" (pl) as "he or she" before reverting to singular they for one "manager". Agreement of number is pretty much dead, but "one never knows, do they?" still sounds silly to me. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 13:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Help??!? ==

this is probably bleedin' obvious, but how do you quickly type the slash that you need to separate, for example, werewolves from werewolf, as you just did? i keep having to open another page and cut and paste it. duh indeed, but i just don't get it! sob! --[[User:Knmatt|Knmatt]] 22:06, 28 May 2007 (CEST)

It's a '''pipe''', (Shift-Backslash, just above Return, usually.) If you don't go back to DOS you may never have used it.--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:11, 28 May 2007 (CEST)

==Patrician==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havelock_Vetinari
Bibliography section, check it out. From Pratchett himself, it says that originally he was overweight, and then lost weight - i.e., Pratchett became a better writer himself.
:But that refers to earlier books (I provided the quote from {{S}}.) Even The Author seems to have softened his (untenable) position on the single-Patrician theory, anyway. (Remember : Pterry only invented the Discworld; we live there.)--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 16:47, 31 May 2007 (CEST)

== that was quick ==

you blocked the spammer just as i logged in to todo. :)
:You're up even earlier than I am on a Sunday morning? Get a life! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 14:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

== i.e. [[Piecemaker]] ==
Yeah, I meant that in physical size, it may or may not be larger, but it is a certainly more powerful firearm. [[Special:Contributions/64.231.240.44|64.231.240.44]] 03:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Featured Articles ==

Just a small question, are featured articlees good articles that deserve recognition (as on wikipedia) or are they bad articles of topics that could be good? Thanks for your time. :) --[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] 06:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Typically, they're fairly good articles on important topics that Sanity or someone thought should be bigger and better. Certainly the idea is to improve them, not praise them. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 15:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

== re: Polish Discworld wiki ==

Thanks for your answer. Personally I prefer the layout of the wiki, as here I know ho to edit etc.
Mayby you could tell me how to start a new one? I mean the Polish one. If of course it is not too complicated. Then step by step it could grow up.
[[User:NoychoH|noychoH]] 18:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

:You're asking the wrong person, here. I'm not any kind of software developer. This one was set up by our admin, [[User:Sanity|Sanity]]; [[User:Death|Death]] operates the German version (where he's known as Tod), and our sysop [[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] seems to be knowledgeable about the inner workings. Anyone can download the program from [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/pl MediaWiki], but configuring and providing the support is a job for a professional or a gifted and experienced amateur. I just fill in the pages. Go to the MediaWiki site and see if you feel capable. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 19:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==Career Change==

Thanks old man. Very good of you. And yes: it's an ''awful'' lot better than dealing with 'em at 6!

== They may think it's all over ==

I saw the dedication to the "stenographer" and thought immediatly of {{GO}} where Pterry states (to the effect, I can't remember the exact phrasing) "It's impossible to know what Neil contributed and what I contributed but it was mostly me sitting at the keyboard". The dedication meant for me the first tangible proof of Pterry's illness/embuggerance. Nevertheless the changes of pace and turnings of phrase is, in my mind, not a sharp difference in light of the development over twenty years of writing.

The major weakness of {{UA}}, in my mind, is the appearence of several characters that appears as ''Deus Ex Machina'', Lady Margolotta, Vetinari trusting Glenda Sugarbean because of her grandmother, puhleese. It's too neat.

:I don't think those are really ''dei ex machina''; the god(dess) is Pedestriana, and on Discworld this sort of thing isn't unusual. There really are gods who do affect events. It's more of a problem that she isn't developed much. She crashes in at the beginning and returns at the end but we're not sure why. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::By ''Deus ex Machina'' I meant the dramatic principle of concluding a drama by having an all-powerful character appear out of nowhere to settle all impasses. Normaly this implies weakness of the plot; ''Deus ex Machina'' is used as a deragotory term towards the author. There are indeed gods but I wasn't referring to any of those.
::On totally different note, it's been more than twenty years since I had English in school; I feel my grammar and spelling is slipping badly --[[User:Iron Hippo|Iron Hippo]] 18:22, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

:My point. That's what it means but those characters don't do that, Pedestriana does. The English is pretty good though, apart from some some spelling which isn't worse than many others. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 19:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll develop my thoughts on football (soccer as merkins call it) in comparison to merkin sports but I need to think it through a bit more. In the meantime merkins: Do read Nick Hornby: Fever Pitch --[[User:Iron Hippo|Iron Hippo]] 01:30, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:Agreed about Glenda Sugarbean. But I liked Unseen Academicals, for the most part, although I did notice some slight differences between it and prior books. Most noticeably: slight character changes and heavy reference to previous books.

:But Death does actually appear... "Death stood by the well-scrubbed slab and looked down. MISTER NUTT? WELL, THIS IS A SURPRISE, said Death, reaching into his robe. LET ME SEE WHAT I HAVE HERE.." He goes on to say that Mr. Nutt will have an interesting life. [[User:TC01|TC01]] 01:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::Someone wants to correct the recent edit to [[Death]]. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== May I ask something? ==

I am a rabid Pratchett fan, have read all the books so many times that I'm on my second copy of most of them, etc, etc. you probably hear this a lot in any case. Is there any way to get in touch with one of the mods/site administrators? [[User:Doctor Whiteface|Doctor Whiteface]] 21:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:The Administrator is [[User:Sanity|Sanity]]. He gives his e-mail address at the top of the page. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:05, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::Many thanks. [[User:Doctor Whiteface|Doctor Whiteface]] 23:11, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Current revision as of 00:06, 30 November 2009 ==

you misunderstand - I have no sense of humor in the context of jokes, puns, et cetera, in real life. that is to say, I couldn't tell a good joke to save my life. Jokes that can get a round of roaring laughter from any other mouth fall flat when I say them. I in fact possess the approximate joke-telling ability of Mustrum Ridcully on a bad day. That doesn't mean that I can't appreciate Pratchett's humor, wit, and dead-on insights into the core of life around the world. [[User:Doctor Whiteface|Doctor Whiteface]] 00:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
:Then I suggest you misstated. You mean you have no talent as a comic. Perhaps even Pterry couldn't make it as a joculator. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
::point well taken. However, I stick by my previous statement. I have no sense of humor. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate it.

Oh, and as a different note, I have a slight change that could be made to the fandom page: I've created a Pratchett Fanon wikia at http://pterryfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Discworld_Fanon_Wiki in case anyone wants to add their fanon to it. I also direct them to the Lspace wiki main page for a decent Pratchett wiki instead of the half-assed Wikia version. Think you could add my fledgeling fanon Wikia to the Fandom page? [[User:Doctor Whiteface|Doctor Whiteface]] 01:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
:I'm pretty confused as to whether it's a fanfic collection or a wiki or what, but you could list it in "Fandom" yourself (maybe including a one-line explanation). --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== Death caption ==

An easier way to do what? The caption was properly specified in the previous version. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 22:15, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:...to caption something without creating the white spaces, or generally put text where you want it without a lot of experimental colons? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

::are you wanting to caption something other then an image? --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 00:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:Mostly it's to avoid the white borders ([[User:JaffaCakeLover|JaffaCakeLover]] was just suggesting a solution available only to Sanity but I wouldn't be able to judge that - there might be a down side). Some other idea might require placing a block of text to the right, just for interesting composition. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:: Oh, hold on. I may be able to fix that depending on the theme's security. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 07:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

::: Nope, not something I can fix. The issue is with a CSS rule in the "/skins/lspace/main.css?207" file. The border rules need to be removed from div.thumb on line 443. Typically, you can override these rules via special pages within the wiki. However, the lspace skin doesn't respect these overrides. Therefore, Sanity would have to update the CSS file or update the skin to properly respect the overrides. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 07:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:Bugger. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 03:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

::We'll see. I sent the info onto Sanity. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 16:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it's now fixed. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 01:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

And all the rest at the same time: nifty! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Power Cables ==

OK, so there could be also be a Power Cable, Alberta, a Power Cable, New South Wales or even an Elektriese Kabel in the Transvaal... but they'd still only get one page.

I will delete the lesser of the two. --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 20:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Why not add your second paragraph? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== careers ==

To be more specific, I spent seven years developing web applications based upon the ColdFusion language ( think PHP, .net or java but cooler ). Next month I'm moving over to become an Oracle DBA. All this at a Dow component company. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 03:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== About TC01 ==

Well, from what I've read of AgProv's and IronHippo's biographies, I think I could agree that I'm the youngest of the sysops/admins mentioned- not sure about other contributors with usernames or unregistered, of course. The Tiffany Aching series are written for people younger than me, though.

I spell, or rather type, words like an American, which is almost certaintly because I am one. The only possible exception to that might be when I type out {{COM}}, but I usually don't because I let the <nowiki>{{COM}}</nowiki> template do it for me.

I suppose I'll also mention that I do most of my reading these days on an Amazon Kindle, which is not actually that different from reading a real book (other than the inability to open it up to a random page and start reading). There are a few Pratchett books which I have only on the Kindle- which makes it handy when searching them for some obscure red link on the book articles.

And that's all I'm saying for now... Other than the fact that I reply to people on their talk pages rather than their user pages, unlike some people. [[User:TC01|TC01]] 22:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC) [[User:TC01|TC01]] 22:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== [[Photographer]] ==

You reverted my edit to that page, where I explained Pratchett's joke (his definition of ''photus'' is clearly derived from the true meaning of the acronym POTUS). Where do you think I should have put the annotation instead? [[User:WLior|WLior]] 07:21, 1 September 2010 (CEST)

== Warning - British travel termini are bad for your financial health ==
We should have warned you.

It seems to be a universal thing about travelling in Britain that the moment you step into the precincts of an airport, a railway station, or even a large coach interchange (Victoria Coach Station in London, or Chorlton Street in Manchester), the prices you pay for sundry items go through the roof. It's as if the very act of stepping in through the front door causes the prices of even the most trivial items to soar by 25-40% or more, where they can get away with it. You are entering a parellel universe or a time portal where, given the usual operation of inflation, the world around you may be that of 2010 but you are being given a chance to experience a very specific aspect of the future - ie, what you might expect to be paying for goods and services in 2030.

A small bottle of coke which might cost 90p outside in the real world suddenly becomes £1.35; a packet of cigarettes which you might expect to get for £5.35 suddenly costs £6.80 (this was at the tobacconists' concession in WH Smiths at Manchester Picadilly - let's name the guilty party here!)and coffee at Tarbucks or Necros adds another 70p to the cost of a cup, or more... and as for buying food...

The sensible answer is - ''if going on a long journey by public transport in Britain, buy it before getting on the train or coach and get it from outside the station.''

The seasoned traveller will know where to look within a block or two of the station complex, and a service industry exists to fill this void. For instance, there is a very good and very cheap cafe just opposite Norwich Station, which capitalises on the obscene prices charged within the rail station, by serving great food very cheaply. There are quite a few around Picadilly and Chorlton Street stations in Manchester. No doubt the London stations have their satellites - there's said to be a great cheap cafe just behind Euston station that makes a bomb through the novel and revolutionary act of selling good food cheaply.

Nobody knows why this should be in Britain.

Arriving in Berlin, we found a very cheap eatery and cafe within the precincts of Tegel airport. This was not unique. comparing the euro price to what Manchester airport expected us to pay for a cappucino and a cake - it was nearly half as expensive.

Oh, and duty-free at British airports is hardly worth the while, as so much profit margin is loaded on the items that you are efectively paying the store owners what you would in tax, anyway. But at German airports...

Methinks we are being riped off, but at least you have a copy of {{ISWM}}.

Enjoy!--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 10:40, 11 October 2010 (CEST)

== A word please ==

You and AgProv were here before that <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[template:welcome|welcome]]}} was created. So was BOZZ but he hadn't had yet any talkpage messages, his talkpage had yet to be created, so I thought I,d do something about that. If he already had talkpage messages, I would have not welcomed him. Please excuse me if I had a mistake. [[user:Myrtone|Myr]][[User talk:Myrtone|'''tone''']][[special:emailuser/Myrtone|@]] 00:12, 25 December 2010 (CET)

These things happen. Don't worry! I'm glad somebody's consistently doing the meeting-and-greeting, anyway. AgProv, writing as --[[Special:Contributions/86.179.84.80|86.179.84.80]] 22:52, 10 January 2011 (CET)
Did you forget to login? [[user:Myrtone|Myr]][[User talk:Myrtone|'''tone''']][[special:emailuser/Myrtone|@]] 00:18, 11 January 2011 (CET)
Alas, yes. A bit of computer bother means I'm having to continually delete the internet cache and cookies, (virus-slaying) including the one that preserves my logon info for this site... --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 23:59, 13 January 2011 (CET)

== History ==

*''As far as I can recall, you were the first British member here, after a number of continental, American, Australian and Canadian contributors (Shadeofblue was here long before but never contributed anything). How do you suppose that came down? --Old Dickens 03:55, 11 April 2011 (CEST)''

Sounds like an accusation...Thinking back... I discovered the Wiki as part of a general exploration of the L-Space Web and I thought "I can do things here". My first two or three entries weren't strictly within the rules - I opened general articles on Douglas Adams and Michael Moorcock as authors who either influenced Pratchett or were spoofed by him in the first few books, only to be gently reminded this sort of thing really belonged under "Reading Suggestions". As I was very heavily influenced by mr Beobaart and Mr Kew in the Annotated Pratchett File, and was a bit frustrated they didn't seem to be in a position to accept updated entries. So my ideas as to all those sly nudges and digs and references in the books had to go somewhere! Then I discovered that 50% of the time, the entry to go with the annotation hadn't yet been written, so - ah well - roll your sleeves up and craft it...

I do wonder why so many contributors here are people to whom English is not a first language - although some of them, I suspect, speak it better than I do. Better than my French or Dutch/Afrikaans or German, I think! Perhaps it's that urge, fairly indefiniable but an urge nonetheless, to get past the necessary restrictions of reading a book in translation, and to get to grips with it in the original language? (I'm reliably told there have been at least four Dutch translators of Pratchett, for instance, who range from "excellent" to "appalling".) This is a big thing on the French VadeMecum site, although readers of Pratchett in French whose English is also good enough to tackle the originals do tend to speak well of their translator. And English humour, the quirkier the better, does seem to travel well... (look at the way Monty Python and its descendents are a cult thing in the USA)

As well as annotations, for me, there's also an urge to mention all those little leaps of logic that connect otherwise unrelated facts mentioned in different books - inferring that because Lady Sybil and Serafine von Überwald went to the same school {{T5E}}, and Lady Sybil's school, named in {{T!}} as [[Quirm College for Young Ladies|QAYL]], therefore Serafine must also have attended QAYL. (Which leads to ''speculation'' - as opposed to known fact - that Angua may also have attended QAYL.)

Getting the entries as accurate and as complete as possible gets to be a bug after a while...
--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 10:18, 11 April 2011 (CEST)

:What accusation? The question was why there didn't seem to be any British input before you came along, Britain obviously being the home of the books and the most fan activity. (Daibhid C was also a faqmaintainer early on but we never got any of his considerable insight, either.)

:The amazing ability of a series so strongly based in British folklore, history and humor to sell in many foreign languages is another interesting topic, though. P.G. Wodehouse and Monty Python did manage to penetrate the U.S., but I don't think they required the background Pratchett does (and I'm not sure Wodehouse would play in Power Cable any more.) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 16:32, 11 April 2011 (CEST)

Heh... should have said "sounds ''almost'' like an accusation... ("you are accused of being British with malice aforethought and lurking in a built-up area of the Internet after the hours of darkness, with intent to perpetuate a Wiki...")

I suspect, to build on a thought, that we English-fluent native Brits have it too easy, and do not appreciate the treasure we have in Pratchett. This only becomes beautifully clear to those who have learnt English the hard way as a second language, or who have to assemble the necessary mental tool-kit to approach the intricacies of British English language and custom. Who is it who said a prophet is never honoured in his own country?--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 17:12, 11 April 2011 (CEST)

:Jesus of Nazareth, I believe, but Sir T.P. OBE doesn't seem to suffer that way. Possibly it's just that English people already had a number of fan activities and we foreigners were more excited to have access to one. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 18:35, 11 April 2011 (CEST)

Jesus seems to been right about himself though there... -Marmosetpower

== On Vandalism ==

I don't know if this is the right place to suggest it, but maybe you should close down the registration for a while, fix things and put all articles under protection. That spammer seems to be a bot/malware cause thing, seeing the multiple IP-Addresses.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 19:34, 13 April 2011 (CEST)
:Mmm. I'm only a lieutenant, though, no keys to the missiles. Thanks for pitching in. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:13, 15 April 2011 (CEST)

It kept me busy for an hour before bedtime. I'm guessing that once O.D. recognised how deep it actually went, it took a few hours of his life that he's never going to get back.So maybe we need to ask Sanity how to install deeper protection? --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 13:03, 14 April 2011 (CEST)
:About four hours, but then what else do I do of an evening? There wasn't even a ball game until too late. I know you've killed longer evenings writing stuff. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:13, 15 April 2011 (CEST)... Apr. 30, now, was a full day. Oy. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 06:20, 1 May 2011 (CEST)
:I sent him an email last night --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 20:22, 14 April 2011 (CEST)
::So did I. He's investigating, but I don't know what could be done apart from general protection and that's never been popular. You only need the roof fixed when it's raining. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:13, 15 April 2011 (CEST)
:::Not to be negative, but this rain could easily be washing away the foundation--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 19:09, 15 April 2011 (CEST)

Well done Dickens old man. You're fighting a valiant vanguard action! Good egg.--[[User:Knmatt|Knmatt]] 21:59, 30 April 2011 (CEST)
:Funny, I thought I replied to that before (saying I thought it was ''rearguard''), but it's not here. I was busy. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 02:19, 1 May 2011 (CEST)
::As you are leading the way in this fight against these A-holes, you're certainly in the van. I salute your endeavours!--[[User:Knmatt|Knmatt]] 11:07, 1 May 2011 (CEST)

Ref apparent new attack of bots - not what it seems. Hi. I went into the Special: New Pages list to look back through all recent changes that were highlighted in yellow - ie, unpatrolled by a sysops - and patrolled them all (twenty or so entries). Three of them appeared to be hangovers from the recent spamming problem that had been overlooked, although I discovered the perpetrating bots had all been blocked. So this is historic stuff - it's certainly not a resurgence of the old problem! --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 02:49, 8 May 2011 (CEST)
:Not new, obviously;, I just wondered how they were missed, but there were likely to be some oversights out of hundreds. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 03:09, 8 May 2011 (CEST)

== Quotes ==

Yeah, I think [[User:XEverettBlaked|XEverettBlaked]], [[User:NLoreenPetersm|NLoreenPetersm]] and [[User:AOscarEricksonw|AOscarEricksonw]] are spambots. They all seem to be going on about dating (hard to tell with AOscar, seems to be using a different language) and all fail at using spaces.

Also, I've suggested using the idea of [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum#Quotes|using quotes]] at the start of articles. I'd appreciate it if you commented, because otherwise I'm not sure anyone will comment. – [[User:Harry Blue5|Harry Blue5]] <small>([[User talk:Harry Blue5|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Harry Blue5|contribs]])</small> 11:43, 19 August 2011 (CEST)

:taken care of until the next batch comes in. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 19:33, 19 August 2011 (CEST)

==Very belated reply to your question==
So you may remember you asked me a question five years ago, at which point I promptly forgot the wiki existed...

Anyway, while I may have an ability to remember odd Discworld facts (I'd hesitate to call myself an "expert"), one look at my name should tell you never to trust me on spelling 8-). A flick through ''Equal Rites'' and ''Moving Pictures'' confirms that everyone else has it right: ''Necrotelicomnicon'' it is, making the pun a bit subtler than I thought. [[User:Daibhid C|Daibhid C]] 00:32, 21 August 2011 (CEST)

:Er, I've just read the [[Necrotelicomnicon]] talk page, and learnt a) Terry spells it inconsistantly and b) I've already weighed in on this. I swear, when it comes to things ''other'' than trivia from the books I've a memory like ... one of them things you drain rice in... [[User:Daibhid C|Daibhid C]] 00:45, 21 August 2011 (CEST)

Long time no see, indeed. It seems to me you're considered an expert around AFP, which is a distinguished panel of judges (beside a few jerks, of course). Coincidentally, I mentioned you recently in discussion as one of the few British originals here and for not hanging around afterward. I think we established ''Necrotelicomnicon'' as the correct spelling, despite a typo or a bit of TP trying to confuse us again. Don't talk to me about memory loss: I'm a lot older than you.
--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:50, 21 August 2011 (CEST)

== Game namespace ==

I've noticed there's a book and game namespace, but none of the games (e.g. ''[[Discworld Noir]]'') are actually in the Game namespace. Are the games supposed to be in that namespace and no one's gotten round to moving them, or is it that there needs to be more discussion about whether to use it? – [[User:Harry Blue5|Harry Blue5]] <small>([[User talk:Harry Blue5|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Harry Blue5|contribs]])</small> 02:03, 3 October 2011 (CEST)
:I'd never noticed there was such a namespace. There may not be enough games to justify it, but obviously it's an option. I guess discussion is what's needed. (You ask a lot: I was still mulling capitalisation of book titles.) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 02:35, 3 October 2011 (CEST)

== Carrot ==

I'm confused by your comment on Carrot. Either he is a fully rounded character or he is a cliche. He could be a parody on a fighter or a dwarf or something. But if he is, what kind of parody is he? [[User:Marmosetpower|Marmosetpower]] 15:09, 18 December 2011 (CET)
:Several things, as usual: Superman, Dudley Do-Right and all the too-good-to-be-true cartoon heroes as well as the rustic lad with an old sword who turns out to be the 'once and future king'. These are typically stiff, two-dimensional characters, often played as a bit (or very) dim. TP melts them down into a very tall Dwarf who starts out over-zealous and ingenuous and develops into the clever and capable Captain who knows everybody and everything that's going on while maintaining the outward persona. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 15:55, 18 December 2011 (CET)

If he is a parody of so much, is he still a parody though? I can't help feeling that this 'once and future king' stuff is a backstory, rather than a characteristic. If he did show a characteristic it would be denial of his 'once and future King' status. Being a King is not a character trait in itself. [[User:Marmosetpower|Marmosetpower]] 16:23, 20 December 2011 (CET)

== Threshold of evidence ==

Although I never posted to ABP, I used to read it a bit. I know "speculation" is a scary thing, because while The Man himself tolerates and encourages fandom, fans who inadvertently post one of His nascent ideas might cause the waveform to collapse in an entirely different direction while pissing Him off a bit at the same time. I also see that random unsupported annotations of the type "hey, Granny's hat is just like the one my aunt gave me for my 10th birthday, my aunt is from England, that's gotta be an obvious reference" shouldn't be tolerated.

Nevertheless, where does this wiki draw the line in terms of thoughts and annotations? Do you want textual references and footnotes? I do see lots of ideas in some articles which are, well, reaching. How far can we or should we reach?

Understand that I am taking no position here. I just want to know the rules, which I will attempt to follow faithfully. [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] 19:41, 23 December 2011 (CET)
:Ah. Rules! Well, erm...I mean, uh, we don't actually seem to have any ''rules'', as such (except against spam; we're definitely down on spam, but it doesn't stop the spammers either). Now I thought of the wiki as an encyclopedia with a pretty relaxed attitude but no room for unsupported opinions, whether called "annotations" or not; most people seem to like annotations better than anything. It seems to me that there's a fair consensus against annotation, speculation or fantasy in the body of the articles. At the same time, though, I've tried a couple of times to stir up opposition to the most outrageous blather and self-gratification (see pages of discussion in the Mended Drum and elsewhere) but most of us seem to hate ''rules'' more. I don't know, can you suggest some?

:TP doesn't come into it of course. He won't be reading this as he avoids all other such sites; no one ever objected to speculation in discussion pages or user pages. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:13, 24 December 2011 (CET)

== The great spam flood of 2012 ==

Have you spoken with Sanity lately? He hardly ever responds to my emails. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 16:01, 8 February 2012 (CET)
:No, not since he put in the sign-up restriction after the last flood. I was wondering if I might suggest the site-specific test but I don't know if it's reasonable or possible. Have you any suggestions? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 23:55, 8 February 2012 (CET)

:: There's nothing you or I can do without access to the server and code. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 19:27, 9 February 2012 (CET)

::: Sadly. But may I suggest that new accounts have to be enabled by mods/admins to make new pages/edits. I tihnk that should be possible.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 20:07, 9 February 2012 (CET)

: Unfortunately, that's something that needs to be done by Sanity. Old Dickens and I don't have access to modify that. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 22:36, 9 February 2012 (CET)

:: Damn. I hope one of you reaches him soon. This is getting ridiculous.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 02:47, 10 February 2012 (CET)

Someone's been upgrading stuff, did you get ahold of Sanity? --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 16:18, 13 February 2012 (CET)
:Yea, he updated the wiki, ConfirmEdit and Bad Behavior and is looking into QuestyCaptcha or similar. I see it didn't stop them today. The Java buttons are gone from the edit panel, too. (four tildes) [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 23:33, 13 February 2012 (CET) ...and the categories now come with bullets! [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 23:38, 13 February 2012 (CET)

::He's still got some style fixes to make. Like the checkbox labels.--[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 03:04, 14 February 2012 (CET)

::And today's attempts were different. It really looked more like a person. Some things were inconsistent. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 03:04, 14 February 2012 (CET)

:::I'm starting to get rather pissed at our absentee owner. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 17:49, 28 February 2012 (CET)
:It's tiresome, especially if you're supposed to be working, I guess. I have no web access at work any more, so I'm no use weekdays. Sanity is suffering with Real Life too, unfortunately. Whaddya gonna do? I sent him a complaining email. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:19, 29 February 2012 (CET)

:Folks, we just had an attack on the MainPage. Undid it, but someone still needs to ban that bloke. On a further note: As nice as it is to see Discworld related questions for verification...'What is the first name of Sam Vimes' is not really going to do the trick...[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 07:56, 16 March 2012 (CET)
We noticed. Sanity managed to fix it quicker than he thought he could, but of course it wasn't like the average spammer who could be blocked. The question could probably be a little tougher, but the the thing is that it's a program written to circumvent arithmetic and character-recognition captchas, so it's confused by any other challenge to artificial intelligence. (The humanoids behind it don't even speak English, very often, but they're not looking anyway.) It seems to be working so far. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 20:43, 16 March 2012 (CET)...Oh, you meant the other Turk: Fhh98 got that. What is it with Turks lately? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 20:49, 16 March 2012 (CET)
::Also not every user has actually read Discworld novels. If the question is to hard then real users might be scared off. Besides any spammers now have to register manually which would be a pain. --[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] 04:56, 17 March 2012 (CET)
I'm not sure we want input from anyone who couldn't come up with, say, ''Commander'' Vimes's given name. "Every user" is free to read but I'd prefer some minimum qualification to edit. Anyway, yes, the point is to baffle the program. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 05:33, 17 March 2012 (CET)
:What about in a case like [http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Talk:Reverse_Annotations#Cartoons.3F this], the person hasn't ever read discworld but offered some helpfull advice. Besides there are people out there who might only have read the Diggers books or Nation for example.

Perhaps what Sanity was thinking, and a good point, but it does ease the way for manual spammers and vandals. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 14:50, 17 March 2012 (CET)
:Well it seems to be working.--[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] 05:50, 18 March 2012 (CET)

As of tonight there are six very suspicious new names in red, that look as if they've been created by spambots. None of posted yet. But bearing in mind that most genuine new members of the Wiki community are only too keen to get stuck in straight away doing legitimate things, and these new names have been up for hours with no movement, would we be justified in delivering pre-emptive blocks? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 22:25, 29 June 2012 (CEST)
Just pre-emptively struck at a bunch of suspicious new usernames and blocked the lot. I'm working on intuition and experience - people with usernames consisting of random letters and numbers are not likely to be people at all but bots. [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 23:36, 29 June 2012 (CEST)

Or maybe even somebody called Vintagegown, which kind of suggests somebody's read this note and thought creatively. This could go one of two ways - maybe spamming a site for vintage clothing? Or she (?) might even be genuine, in which case - make a valid new entry and welcome! [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 00:13, 30 June 2012 (CEST)
:I waver between waiting for them to do something and blocking for 3 days or so as "unacceptable username": feel-of-the-moment thing. Fhh98's note to the Mexican pharmaceutical people didn't work for long. I see. See also the clever-dick TeddyAv. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:02, 30 June 2012 (CEST) (Oh yeah. The other thing is that I'm pretty sure they're not reading anything in their discussion pages.) [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:17, 30 June 2012 (CEST)

==(Here begins a new administration)==
You should be able to delete users now by going to the users page and selecting the Delete tab from the dropdown in the upper right. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:24, 5 November 2012 (PST)
:Kowabunga! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:29, 5 November 2012 (PST)...but I can't: I don't see the dropdown either in the '''User''''s page or in the '''User list'''. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:48, 5 November 2012 (PST)
::Try Again. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 19:05, 5 November 2012 (PST)
:::Aha. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:40, 6 November 2012 (PST)

== Interesting event ==

WikiShaper334 - I can't fathom this one out either.... on the face of it a legitimate entry, which is why the user remains, for now, unmerged. But the entry itself is fairly banal and unoriginal; the sort of thing that can be quickly deduced from a skimming of the rest of the article. The thought has occured to me that this could be a new tactic from somebody behind the spambots, to establish a legitimate presence here that will enable them to launch new spam attacks through the opening. Or am I being paranoid? I did a bit of Googling and a''traffic shaper'' is apparently a person, or automated software, seeking to order traffic onto a website so as to manipulate data - one use is to bump preferred links up a search engine. "Link-shaping" or "link-blogging" specifically targets blogs and Wikis so as to insert links that push favoured sites up a search engine listing. And adding a number after the name.... could be coincidence. But how can we prove or rule this out for certain? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 20:01, 3 February 2013 (GMT)
:Of course we can't, just now. It's hard to believe an SEO parasite keen enough to go through that, but also hard to believe the username. Either we'll delete him when he gets down to business or he'll fade away. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 20:31, 3 February 2013 (GMT)

00:14 GMT. Is it me, or have we had no spammers since 17:21 - nearly nine hours ago. I don't like it, sergeant. It's far too quiet. They're up to something out there...[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 00:16, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
:They will come in bunches, but then Osiris could be tinkering... --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:21, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
::(The next one arrived two hours later. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:07, 4 February 2013 (GMT))
:::I'm tinkering.... I put in a blacklist of words and phrases. For example, try to make an edit using that Justin guy's last name and you'll see it's not allowed. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:16, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
::::Is there a way to make it so that known users can use the blacklisted words/know what they are?--[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm|talk]]) 06:01, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
:::::when you hit one it tells you what it was. It's based upon this example though. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSpamRegex $wgSpamRegex]

==Re: Johnny Maxwell==
Oh, sorry. Should I get rid of it? [[User:Drakon467|Drakon467]] ([[User talk:Drakon467|talk]]) 16:57, 13 May 2013 (GMT)
:I did already. Twice, actually. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2013 (GMT)
I've replaced it with a less guesswork-dependant one. Is it okay this time? [[User:Drakon467|Drakon467]] ([[User talk:Drakon467|talk]]) 18:39, 2 July 2013 (GMT)

Thanks. Rest assured, Yo-less definitely did say it. Of course, this being a Terry Pratchett book, it lost under accusations of Satanism and how Yo-less's mother wouldn't approve. [[User:Drakon467|Drakon467]] ([[User talk:Drakon467|talk]]) 05:37, 3 July 2013 (GMT)

==Junk page==

Apologies if there is a better place for this, but this seems a bit out of place. [[Girls Dont Abide By The Rules]]. I did try blanking it, but alas I can't make it disappear. [[User:Aldibibable|Aldibibable]] ([[User talk:Aldibibable|talk]]) 22:53, 31 May 2013 (GMT)

== Create page permissions ==
There seems to be an issue with permissions regarding creating pages as I don't seem to have that option today. Yesterday I had the option but not today. Is there an issue with permissions? Is it just me being a newbie here or are there times when things work only when they feel like it? It seems quite sporadic and most peculiar. --{{User:CelticWanderer/autosig}} 22:48, 8 June 2013 (GMT)
:I've also had trouble with permissions for the last few days, as I mentioned in the [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum#I'm locked out!|Mended Drum]]. Have you tried going back and trying again? I've found that the error messages aren't necessarily final. Otherwise you'd have to ask the [[User talk:Osiris|man behind the curtain]]. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:28, 8 June 2013 (GMT)
::I noticed your comment the other day. Yes, I have tried several times but with no luck. When trying to create an additional user subpage I get the generic response: <pre>There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page.</pre>
::Yesterday, it didn't say this. When trying to create a page in the main namespace there's no create page tab and I get the generic search response when there are no results: <pre>There were no results matching the query.</pre>
::A curious case that I hope is resolved soon. Out of curiosity what roles do the different admins serve on this site just so I know for future reference? --{{User:CelticWanderer/autosig}} 23:44, 8 June 2013 (GMT)
:[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] is the owner/operator, I'm the ''Editor Quia Nemo Vult'' (housekeeper?) and [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] has been the major content provider for many years. (Also, your sig really fills up the edit box!) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:56, 9 June 2013 (GMT)
::Ok, thanks. I was curious as you are shown as the creator in the active user list. Regarding the signature, methinks that is a hint to change it. I actually still need to create another sig page for transclusion that should fix this but I still can't create new pages. If it doesn't work when the permissions are fixed I will change the signature if you prefer. --{{User:CelticWanderer/autosig}} 08:34, 9 June 2013 (GMT)
:::[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] changed the permissions for me so now everything seems to be working at the moment. Also, I have changed my signature, takes up less much space in the editor and made it less distracting. --{{User:CelticWanderer/sig}} 21:58, 9 June 2013 (GMT)

==Mass Deletions - a double-edged sword==
There's got to be a better way... I'm ashamed to say while I've deleted a thousand spam accounts, two legitimate users have been deleted in error too, in the last week. And in the last month three thousand spam accounts have been created and are yet to be dealt with. That error rate is just too high (I've left fulsome apologies where I hope they'll be seen. Wish I had their email addresses so I could apologise in person. are these stored anywhere?) While I've cleared out all the spam accounts beginning with "A" and a good few of the "B"'s - as well as routine demolition of new ones as they pop up - I'm now hideously aware that mistakes will inevitably happen and I do not want to make any more. So tonight I've just identified a few known legitimate users who still have to make an entry on their user pages and left temporary messages there, so they show up blue in the user list and are less likely to be deleted in error. but there has to be a better way around this. Otherwise I'd keep on zapping through the B's...
:It ain't that bad, really. [[User:Sharlee|Sharlee]] figured it out immediately; if [[User:Aldibibable|Aldibibable]] is also on Wikipedia he(?) is probably capable too. Generally, though, I'd rather prod [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] (after a decent interval to recover from his shock) to execute his script to remove all the dormant accounts at computer speed. A problem with your valiant efforts at doing it manually is that the rest of us (especially me) can't see what else has happened in "Recent changes", even at 500 lines. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:37, 22 June 2013 (GMT)

== List of Characters ==

Not done, just for the day. Can change back if need be, have saved original on my computer. [[User:Rictus|Rictus]]

==Finally...==
Enjoy! I'll try not to post too many jaw-dropping spoilers.[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 23:10, 14 November 2013 (GMT)

== User: Netterku, possible spammer ==

Please check out User:Netterku, as I suspect he may be a spammer who has got through the net. Inept, as it's in Indonesian, which I speak as fluently as Vimes speaks Dwarfish (in fact, Vimes is native fluent compared to me). But interesting, in that the spamming sems to be arranged differently and not to the old well-known pattern. If you agree, and the user has not responded to my yellow card warning, shall we block? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 08:26, 25 November 2013 (GMT)
:No need for discussion: I did. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 22:41, 25 November 2013 (GMT)

== User:AgustinSnider‎; ==

[[User:AgustinSnider]]‎;Spambot? Noted this user made an account on 31st August but has only "introduced themself" now. The wording of the introduction is also horribly familiar, although the declared location checks out. But no actual spam, as yet? Shall I delete, or will you? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 10:11, 6 December 2013 (GMT)
:Yes, I seemed to remember the "Agustin" and the mismatched name and poor spelling are depressingly familiar, but I don't see actual grounds for merging. Inquire, if you like, but it can wait for an actual offence. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:42, 6 December 2013 (GMT)
::offense committed. Goodbye! --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 04:00, 9 December 2013 (GMT)
:::Good shot,sir! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:39, 10 December 2013 (GMT)

== Mine's a Boy ==

Congratulations to you and your family. Mine's a boy and he's coming today! Don't expect to see me much for a while. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 12:14, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
:Good on ya, mate (or more so the wife)! No, you'll be busy for a few years as I recall. I hope we can raise you in an emergency. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 13:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== BS, regarding your userpage post... ==
Old Dickens, thanks for the Independence Day wishes from this American. I'm hoping that recent developments in GB remind American rationalists not to take anything for granted re the man with Orange Hair.

On that note, a few days ago Rhianna Pratchett retweeted someone's suggestion to her that henceforth, in honor of Terry, Boris Johnson shall be known as "Bloody Stupid" Johnson. -- [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 22:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hee Hee. I should have thought of that one myself. Good luck in November; we're at least as interested as the Mexicans here in the Great White North. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:43, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Reply from new user Wonderful Fanny ==
Thank you, Old Dickens. I will learn to avoid becoming historical. I do not see how to remove a page, but Ramkin House may be deleted. Before adding the page, I did look for Ramkin House under the Locations page listed in the Navigation bar to the left, but I didn't see it there. I now know that this is not the same page as your footer category link Locations, where Ramkin Residence is clearly listed, and which I found much easier to use. The two different locations pages are confusing. Anyway, I have added a few points to Ramkin Residence, as you suggested. I also edited the {{SN}} section on ACCOoDD, to clarify.

== Article on The Keep? ==
Hey, Old Dickens... hope you and Canada are doing well. I just reread (okay, re-listened-to) Monstrous Regiment, and I don’t see an article on The Keep in here. I’m ready to write something up, but first I want to be sure I’m not missing the article under a different title; and also to ask your opinion on what the title of that article should be. “The Keep”? “The Borogravian Keep”? “Keep”? Thanks! [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 13:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:I see no article or even link to the Keep. An officer refers to it at one point as "Kneck Keep", which sounds useful although a redirect or two would be wanted in any case. A problem with audio books is bookmarking or searching or generally finding anything in particular. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

== Hello! ==

Hello. I'm here for anti-vandalism work. Do you have the ability to make me an admin here? I'm pretty sure that you have bureaucrat privelleges. My main goal around here is to ensure that this wiki is what it should be, a user-made encyclopedia, and not a playground for vandals. --'''[[User:DCool1|<span style="color:magenta">DCool1</span>]]''' ([[User talk:DCool1|Talk to me!]]) 15:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Bibliography

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DCool1:

A Terry Pratchett '''bibliography''' (originally derived from [[Wikipedia:|Wikipedia]], the free encyclopedia on 3 July 2005 and ppint's bibliography, mucked about with since then). All dates are of first publication. Revised editions and collections are not listed. The recommended reading order of the books is given in the article [[Reading Order]]. Several books are adapted to the theatre, [[TV and film adaptations|TV or film]] or are planned to be.

==Books==
===Discworld===
====Novels====
* 01 {{COM}} (Colin Smythe, 1983)
* 02 {{TLF}} (Colin Smythe, 1986)
* 03 {{ER}} ([[Gollancz]], Colin Smythe, 1987)
* 04 {{M}} (Gollancz, Colin Smythe, 1987)
* 05 {{S}} (Gollancz, Colin Smythe, 1989)
* 06 {{WS}} (Gollancz, 1989)
* 07 {{P}} (Gollancz, 1989)
* 08 {{G!G!}} (Gollancz, 1989)
* 09 {{E}} (Gollancz, 1990)
* 10 {{MP}} (Gollancz, 1990)
* 11 {{RM}} (Gollancz, 1991)
* 12 {{WA}} (Gollancz, 1991)
* 13 {{SG}} (Gollancz, 1992)
* 14 {{LL}} (Gollancz, 1992)
* 15 {{MAA}} (Gollancz, 1993)
* 16 {{SM}} (Gollancz, 1994)
* 17 {{IT}} (Gollancz, 1994)
* 18 {{M!!!}} (Gollancz, 1994)
* 19 {{FOC}} (Gollancz, 1996)
* 20 {{H}} (Gollancz, 1996)
* 21 {{J}} (Gollancz, 1997)
* 22 {{TLC}} (Doubleday, 1998)
* 23 {{CJ}} (Doubleday, 1998)
* 24 {{TFE}} (Doubleday, 1999)
* 25 {{TT}} (Doubleday, 2000)
* 26 {{TOT}} (Doubleday, 2001)
* 27 {{TLH}} (Gollancz, 2001)
* 28 {{TAM}} (Doubleday, 2001)
* 29 {{NW}} (Doubleday, 2002)
* 30 {{WFM}} (Doubleday, 2003)
* 31 {{MR}} (Doubleday, 2003)
* 32 {{HFOS}} (Doubleday, 2004)
* 33 {{GP}} (Doubleday, 2004)
* 34 {{T!}} (Doubleday, 2005)
* 35 {{W}} (Doubleday, 2006)
* 36 {{MM}} (Doubleday, 2007)
* 37 {{UA}} (Doubleday, 2009)
* 38 {{ISWM}} (Doubleday, 2010)
* 39 {{SN}} (Doubleday, 2011)
* 40 {{RS}} (Doubleday, 2013)
* 41 {{TSC}} (Doubleday, 2015)

====Graphic Novels====
* [[Book:The Discworld Graphic Novels The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic|''The Colour of Magic The Graphic Novel'']] (Corgi 1992)
* [[Book:The Discworld Graphic Novels The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic|''The Light Fantastic The Graphic Novel'']] (Corgi 1993)
* [[Book:Mort A Discworld Big Comic|''Mort A Discworld Big Comic'']] (Gollancz, 1994)
* [[Book:Guards! Guards! A Discworld Graphic Novel|''Guards! Guards! A Discworld Graphic Novel'']] (Gollancz, 2000)
* {{TLH}} (Gollancz 2001)
* [[Book:The Illustrated Wee Free Men|''The Illustrated Wee Free Men'']] (Doubleday 2008)
* {{COM}} and {{TLF}} 25th Anniversary Edition (omnibus, with [[Stephen Player]]) (Gollancz 2008), Illustrated Edition.
* [[Book:The Discworld Graphic Novels The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic|''The Discworld Graphic Novels The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic'']] (omnibus) (Doubleday 2008)
* [[Book:The Illustrated Eric|''The Illustrated Eric'']] (Gollancz, 2011)
* [[TV and Film:Soul Music|''Soul Music: The Illustrated Screenplay'']] (Corgi 1997)
* [[TV and Film:Wyrd Sisters|''Wyrd Sisters: The Illustrated Screenplay'']] (Corgi 1998)
* [[TV and Film:Hogfather|''Terry Pratchett's Hogfather: The Illustrated Screenplay'']] (Gollancz 2006)
* [[TV and Film:The Colour of Magic|''Terry Pratchett's The Colour of Magic: The Illustrated Screenplay'']] (Gollancz 2008)
* [[Book:Small Gods A Discworld Graphic Novel|''Small Gods A Discworld Graphic Novel'']] (Doubleday, 2016)
* {{M}} Illustrated Edition (The Folio Society, 2016)
* {{SG}} Illustrated Edition (The Folio Society, 2016)

====[[Collections]]====
* The Witches Trilogy (1995)
* Death Trilogy (1998)
* The First Discworld Novels The Colour of Magic/The Light Fantastic (1999)
* City Watch Trilogy (1999)
* Rincewind the Wizzard (1999)
* Tales of Discworld (2000)
* The Gods Trilogy (2000)
* The Rincewind Trilogy (2001)
* The Wee Free Men: The Beginning (2010)
* Tiffany Aching Complete Collection (2014, updated 2015)

====Rumored====
* [[Book:Raising Taxes|''Raising Taxes'']]
* [[Book:Scouting for Trolls|''Scouting for Trolls'']]
* [[Book:The Missing Chapter|''The Missing Chapter'']]
* [[Book:Running Water| ''Running Water'']]

Following Terry Pratchett's [[death]] on March 12, 2015 it was announced that {{TSC}} would be the last published Discworld novel.

====Short Stories====
* {{TB}} (1992)
* {{TOC}} (1993)
* {{SALF}} (1998)
* [[We Can Rule You Wholesale|''We Can Rule You Wholesale'']] (1999)
* [[Medical Notes|''Medical Notes'']] (2002)
* [[A Few Words From Lord Havelock Vetinari|''A Few Words From Lord Havelock Vetinari'']] (2002)
* [[Short Story:Death and What Comes Next|''Death and What Comes Next'']] (2004)
* [[Short Story:A Collegiate Casting-Out of Devilish Devices|''A Collegiate Casting-Out of Devilish Devices'']] (2005)
* [[Short Story:Thud-A Historical Perspective|''Thud-A Historical Perspective'']] (2002)
* [[Ankh-Morpork Scouting (and possibly Urban Survival) Federation|''The Minutes of the Meeting To Form The Proposed Ankh-Morpork Federation of Scouts'']] (2007)
* [[The Ankh-Morpork Football Association Hall of Fame playing cards|''The Ankh-Morpork Football Association Hall of Fame playing cards'']] (2009)

====Maps====
* {{SAM}} (Corgi, 1993)
* {{DM}} (Corgi, 1995)
* {{TGL}} (Corgi, 1998)
* {{DD}} (Corgi, 1999)
* {{CAM}} (Doubleday, 2012)
* {{CDA}} (Doubleday 2015)

====Companions====
* {{DC}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Gollancz, 1994, 1997)
* {{DC}} ''Updated'' (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Gollancz, 2001)
* {{NDC}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Gollancz, 2003)
* {{TR}}: The Discworld Companion...So Far (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Gollancz, 2012)

====Science of Discworld====
* {{SOD1}} (with [[Ian Stewart]] and [[Jack Cohen]]) (Ebury Press, 1999)
* {{SOD2}} (with [[Ian Stewart]] and [[Jack Cohen]]) (Ebury Press 2002)
* {{SOD3}} (with [[Ian Stewart]] and [[Jack Cohen]]) (Ebury Press, 2005)
* {{SOD4}} (with [[Ian Stewart]] and [[Jack Cohen]]) (Ebury Press, 2013)

====Miscellany====
* [[The Authorised Terry Pratchett's Discworld Magazine|''SFX Presents The Authorised Terry Pratchett's Discworld Magazine'']] (with M.J. Simpson) (Future Publishing, 1997)
* {{NOC}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]] and Tina Hannan) (Doubleday, 1999) (Corgi, 2001)
* [[Book:Where's My Cow?|''Where's My Cow?'']] (illustrated spin-off of {{T!}} ) (Doubleday, 2005)
* [[Book:The Unseen University Cut-out Book|''The Unseen University Cut-out Book'']] (with [[Bernard Pearson]] and Alan Batley) (Doubleday, 2006)
* [[Book:The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld|''The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld'']] (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Doubleday, 2007)
* [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld|''The Folklore of Discworld'']] (with Dr. [[Jacqueline Simpson]]) (Doubleday, 2008, updated in 2009 and 2013)
* {{TWOP}} (illustrated spin-off of {{SN}}) (Doubleday, 2012)
* [[Book:Mrs Bradshaw's Handbook|''Mrs Bradshaw's Handbook'']] (Doubleday, 2014)

====Art books====
* [[Book:The Josh Kirby Poster Book|''The Josh Kirby Poster Book'']] (with [[Josh Kirby]]) (Corgi, 1989)
* [[Book:The Josh Kirby Discworld Portfolio|''The Josh Kirby Discworld Portfolio'']] (with [[Josh Kirby]]) (Paper Tiger, 1993)
* {{TPP}} ''A Compendium of Discworld Characters'' (with [[Paul Kidby]]) (Gollancz, 1996)
* {{AOD}} (with [[Paul Kidby]]) (HarperCollins, 2004)
* [[Book:Discworld and Beyond A Retrospective|''Discworld and Beyond-A Retrospective'']] (with [[Paul Kidby]]) (St Barbe Museum & Art Gallery, 2012)
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett's Discworld Colouring Book|''Terry Pratchett's Discworld Colouring Book'']] (with [[Paul Kidby]]) (Gollancz, 2016)
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett's Discworld Imaginarium|''Terry Pratchett's Discworld Imaginarium'']] (with [[Paul Kidby]]) ([[Gollancz]], November 2017)

====CD====
* [[From the Discworld]] (with Dave Greenslade) (EMI, 1994)
* [[TV and Film:Soul Music|Soul Music]] based on the animated series (with Keith Hopwood and Phil Bush) (Pluto, 1998)
* [[Wintersmith (Steeleye Span)|Wintersmith]] - musical version - the story of {{W}} retold using English folk-music, provided by a house-band Nanny Ogg would have not only loved but would have wanted to sing with - [[Maddy Prior|Steeleye Span]]. (Park Records, 2013).

====[[Theatre Adaptations]]====
All adapted by [[Stephen Briggs]] except for Lords and Ladies which is adapted by Irana Brown.
* {{M}} The Play (Corgi, 1996)
* {{WS}} The Play (Corgi, 1996)
* {{G!G!}} The Play (Corgi, 1997)
* {{MAA}} The Play (Corgi, 1997)
* {{M!!!}} The Play (Samuel French, 1998)
* {{CJ}} The Play (Samuel French, 1999)
* {{LL}} The Play (Samuel French, 2001)
* {{TFE}} The Play (Methuen, 2002)
* {{TT}} The Play (Methuen, 2002)
* {{NW}} The Play (Methuen, 2004)
* {{MR}} The Play (Methuen, 2004)
* {{J}} The Play (Methuen, 2005)
* {{IT}} The Play (Methuen, 2005)
* {{GP}} The Play (Methuen, 2005)
* {{TAM}} The Play (Oxford University Press, 2006)
* {{MM}} The Play (Samuel French, 2011)
* {{TAM}} Musical Pack (Bloomsbury, 2011) by Matthew Holmes
* {{FOC}} The Play (Oberon Modern Plays, 2015)
* {{UA}} The Play (Oberon Modern Plays, 2015)
* [[Book:The Rince Cycle|''The Rince Cycle'']] (Oberon Modern Plays, 2015)
* [[Book:All The Discworld's A Stage|''All The Discworld's A Stage'']] (omnibus, Feet of Clay/The Rince Cycle/Unseen Academicals) (Oberon Modern Plays, 2015)

====Gaming====
=====Board games=====
* ''[[Thud]]'': Strategy game for two players available from 2008
* Watch Out: Discworld Board Game from The Cunning Artificer 2004, never released, only several prototypes were ever made.
* [[Ankh Morpork Discworld Board Game|''Discworld Ankh-Morpork'']], from Treefrog Games 2011.
* [[Game:Guards! Guards! A Discworld Boardgame|''Guards! Guards! A Discworld Boardgame'']] from Z-Man Games 2011.
* [[Game:The Witches A Discworld Game|''The Witches A Discworld Game'']], from Treefrog Games 2013
* [[Game:Clacks A Discworld Board Game|''Clacks A Discworld Board Game'']], by Backspindle Games 2014 (Designers: Leonard Boyd & David Brashaw), published in conjunction with Z-Man Games.

=====Computer games=====
* [[Game:The Colour of Magic|The Colour of Magic]], for the Sinclair ZX Spectrum and Commodore 64, 1986.
* [[Discworld (game)|Discworld]], PC/Mac/Sony Playstation/Sega Saturn game, developed by Perfect 10 Productions and Teeny Weeny Games, published by Psygnosis 1995.
* [[Discworld II: Missing Presumed...!?]], PC/Sony Playstation/Sega Saturn game, developed by Perfect Entertainment, published by Psygnosis (PC/PSX versions) and Sega (Saturn version) 1996.
* [[Discworld Noir]], GSP Games 2000.
* [[Game:The Colour of Magic#Discworld: The Colour of Magic|Discworld: The Colour of Magic]], developed for mobile phones, 2006.
* [[Book:The Compleat Ankh-Morpork|Discworld: The Ankh-Morpork Map]], developed for IOS systems by Random House, 2014.

=====Tabletop role-playing=====
* [[Book:GURPS Discworld|GURPS Discworld]], with Phil Masters (SJ Games, 1998; maps by [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Stephen Player]], art by [[Paul Kidby]])<br/>Discworld converted to the GURPS RPG system<br/>Later rebranded under the "Powered by GURPS" banner as the ''Discworld Roleplaying Game.''
* [[Book:GURPS Discworld#GURPS Discworld Also|GURPS Discworld Also]], with Phil Masters and John M. Ford (SJ Games, 2001; art by Sean Murray)<br/>Additional material converted to the GURPS system.
* [[Book:GURPS Discworld#Discworld Roleplaying Game|The Discworld Roleplaying Game]], (omnibus) combines The Discworld Roleplaying Game (GURPS Discworld) and GURPS Discworld Also, also updates to GURPS 4th edition and adds information on newer Discworld novels not included in earlier editions. (SJ Games, November 2016)

=====[[Jigsaw Puzzles]]=====
1000 piece jigsaw puzzles based on the book covers/maps from:
* {{ER}}
* {{M}}
* {{RM}}
* {{M!!!}}
* {{DM}}
* {{CJ}}
* {{CAM}}

====Quiz====
* [[Book:The Unseen University Challenge|''The Unseen University Challenge'']] (quiz book by {{wp|Dave Langford|Dave Langford}}) (Gollancz, 1996)
* [[Book:The Wyrdest Link|''The Wyrdest Link'']] (quiz book by {{wp|Dave Langford|Dave Langford}}) (Gollancz, 2002, 2006)

====Diaries====
* {{UUD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])
* {{CWD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])
* {{AGD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])
* {{FGD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])
* {{TGD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])
* {{RVD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Paul Kidby]])
* {{TCDA}} for the Year of the Prawn being the common year 2005 (with [[Bernard Pearson]])
* {{AMPOH}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Paul Kidby]])
* {{LTYOE}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]] and Paul Kidby) (Gollancz, 2007) Release Date 30 Aug 2007
* [[Book:The Best of the Discworld Diaries|''The Best of the Discworld Diaries'']] (Goldmann, 2012 with [[Stephen Briggs]], [[Paul Kidby]] and Andreas Brandhorst)
* {{WRI}} (2015 Diary, with [[Bernard Pearson]])
* {{APMMW}} (2016 Diary, with [[Bernard Pearson]])
* {{TPD}} (2017 Diary, with [[Bernard Pearson]])
* {{TPQD}} (2018, with the [[Discworld Emporium]])
* {{DAFJ}} (2019, with the [[Discworld Emporium]])
* {{AMAV1}} (Gollancz 2019, with [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Paul Kidby]])

====[[Discworld Calendars]]====
* Terry Pratchett's Collectors' Edition Discworld Day-to-Day Calendar 1999
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 1999
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors Edition Day-to-Day Calendar 2000
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Mini Calendar 2000
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2000
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2001
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2002
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2003
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2004
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2005
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2006
* Terry Pratchett's Hogfather Discworld Calendar 2007
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2008
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2009
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2010
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collector's Edition Calendar 2011
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2012
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2013
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2014
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2015
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2016
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2017
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2018

====Anthologies====
* The Flying Sorcerers, ed. Peter Haining, Souvenir Press, 1998: multi-author anthology including the first release of the Pratchett short story '''''Turntables of the Night'''''.
* Legends, ed. Robert Silverberg, Souvenir Press, 1998: multi-author anthology including the first release of the Pratchett short story '''''The Sea and Little Fishes'''''.
* After the King: Stories In Honour of J.R.R. Tolkien edited by Martin H. Greenberg (1992) contains '''''Troll Bridge''''', a short story featuring Cohen the Barbarian. This story was also published in the compilation The Mammoth Book of Comic Fantasy (2001, edited by Mike Ashley).
* The Wizards of Odd, a short-story compilation edited by Peter Haining (1996), includes a Discworld short story called '''''Theatre of Cruelty'''''.

===Non-Discworld===
====Novels====
* {{TCP}} ([[Colin Smythe]], 1971)
* {{TDSOTS}} (Colin Smythe, 1976)
* {{ST}} (Colin Smythe, 1981)
* {{T}} ([[Doubleday]], 1989)
* {{TUC}} (with [[Gray Jolliffe]]) (Gollancz, 1989)
* {{GO}} (with [[Neil Gaiman]]) (Gollancz, 1990)
* {{D}} (Doubleday, 1990)
* {{WI}} (Doubleday, 1990)
* [[Bromeliad|''The Bromeliad'']] (omnibus, Corgi, 2008)
* {{OY}} (Doubleday, 1992)
* {{JATD}} (Doubleday, 1993)
* {{JATB}} (Doubleday, 1996)
* [[Book:The Johnny Maxwell Trilogy|''The Johnny Maxwell Trilogy'']] (omnibus, Doubleday, 1999)
* {{N}} (Doubleday, 2008)
* {{DO}} (Doubleday, 2012)

====Graphic Novels====
*[[Book:Truckers Picture Book|''Truckers Picture Book'']] (Ladybird Press, 1992 and Picture Corgi, 1992) based off of the TV series.
*[[Book:The Carpet People Illustrated Edition|''The Carpet People Illustrated Edition'']] (Doubleday, 2009)
*[[Book:Truckers|''Truckers Illustrated Edition'']] (Corgi Children's, 18th October 2018)
*[[Book:The Definitive Good Omens|''The Definitive Good Omens'']] (Gollancz, 21st May 2019)

====The ''Long Earth'' Series====
''Co-written with {{wp|Stephen Baxter|Stephen Baxter}}''
* {{TLE}} (Doubleday, 2012)
* {{TLW}} (Doubleday, 2013)
* {{TLM}} (Doubleday, April 2014)
* {{TLU}} (Doubleday and Random House, June 2015)
* {{TLCO}} (Doubleday, June 2016)

====CD====
* [[TV and Film:Johnny and the Dead|''Johnny and the Dead'']] soundtrack to the TV series (with Stefan Girandet) (Weekend, 1995).
* {{OYCSM}} songs from the musical (Colin Smythe Ltd, 2009).
* {{GO}} The BBC Radio 4 Dramatisation (BBC Physical Audio, 2015).

====[[Theatre Adaptations|Plays]]====
* {{JatD}} The Play (adapted by [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Oxford University Press, 1996)
* {{N}} The Play (adapted by Mark Ravenhill) (Oxford University Press, 2009)
* {{JATB}} Musical Pack (adapted by Matthew Holmes) (Bloomsbury, 2012)
* {{DO}} The Play (adapted by [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Oxford Playscripts, 2014)

====Short Stories====
* [[Short Story:The Hades Business|''The Hades Business'']] (1963) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:Night Dweller|''Night Dweller'']] (1965)
* [[Short Story:Humphrey Newt's Thunderbolt Carriage|''Humphrey Newt's Thunderbolt Carriage'']] (1967)
* [[Short Story:The Abominable Snowman|''The Abominable Snowman'']] (1969) Republished in {{DCC}}
* [[Short Story:The High Meggas|''The High Meggas'']] (1986) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:Twenty Pence With Envelope and Seasonal Greetings|''Twenty Pence With Envelope and Seasonal Greetings'']] (1987) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:Final Reward|''Final Reward'']] (1988) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:Incubust|''Incubust'']] (1988) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:Turntables of the Night|''Turntables of the Night'']] (1989) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:History in the Faking|''History in the Faking'']] (1990)
* [[Short Story:#ifdefDEBUG + "world/enough" + "time"|''#ifdefDEBUG + "world/enough" + "time"'']] (1990) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:Hollywood Chickens|''Hollywood Chickens'']] (1990) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:The Secret Book of the Dead|''The Secret Book of the Dead'']] (1991) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:Once And Future|''Once And Future'']] (1995) Republished in {{BS}}
* [[Short Story:The Megabyte Drive to Believe in Santa Claus|''The Megabyte Drive to Believe in Santa Claus'']] (1996), also known as FTB. Republished in {{BS}}
* [[An Ode to Multiple Universes|''An Ode to Multiple Universes'']] (2005) Republished in [[Book:Terry Pratchett's Folio|''Terry Pratchett's Folio'']]

====Anthologies====
* [[The Ultimate Encyclopaedia of Fantasy (the definitive illustrated guide)|The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Fantasy]], edited by David Pringle (1998), Terry contributed a preface, republished in {{OMWF}}
* Now We Are Sick, written by Neil Gaiman and Stephen Jones (1994), includes the poem called '''''The Secret Book of the Dead''''' by Pratchett.
* Knights of Madness (1998, edited by Peter Haining) includes a short story called '''''Hollywood Chickens'''''. Republished in {{BS}}
* The Leaky Establishment, written by David Langford (1984), has a foreword by Terry in later reissues (from 2001). Republished in {{SK}}
* Meditations on Middle-Earth, an anthology of essays on Middle Earth compiled by Karen Haber, contains Terry Pratchett's essay '''''Cult Classic''''' (2002). Republished in {{SK}}
* Imagined Lives: Portraits of Unknown People (National Portrait Gallery, 2011), Terry contributed a story, '''''Sir Joshua Easement: A Biographical Note'''''. Republished in {{BS}}
* {{OMWF}} ([[New England Science Fiction Association]], 2004) is a collection of several of the above Dw and Non-Dw short stories. Terry Pratchett also wrote several stories under the pseudonym [[Uncle Jim]] for the ''Bucks Free Press''.
* {{BS}} (Doubleday, 2012)
* {{DCC}} (Doubleday, 11 September 2014)
* {{SK}} (Doubleday, 25 Sep 2014)
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett's Folio|''Terry Pratchett's Folio'']] (Privately published, 2014)
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett's Memorial Folio|''Terry Pratchett's Memorial Folio'']] (Clays Ltd, 2016)
* {{TWVC}} (Doubleday Children's, 2016)
* {{FCFB}} (Doubleday Children's, 2017)

====Miscellany====
* The Richard Dimbleby Lecture 2010: available here[http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/01/terry-pratchett-alzheimer-assisted-suicide], abridged. Video version: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqjfwrRQvQA| The Richard Dimbley Lecture 2010]
* ''[[Book:The Dodger's Guide to London|The Dodger's Guide to London]]'' (Doubleday, 2013)
* Terry writing on [http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/15/a-butt-of-my-own-jokes-terry-pratchett-on-the-disease-that-finally-claimed-him on the Embuggerance]
* [[Book:Shaking Hands With Death|''Shaking Hands With Death'']] (Corgi, 2015) also published in [[Book:A Slip of the Keyboard|''A Slip of the Keyboard'']]
* [[Book:Seriously Funny: The Endlessly Quotable Terry Pratchett|''Seriously Funny: The Endlessly Quotable Terry Pratchett'']] (Doubleday, 2016)
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett: HisWorld A Brief Guide to Discworld|''Terry Pratchett: HisWorld A Brief Guide to Discworld'']] (Clays Ltd, September 2017)
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett HisWorld Official Exhibition Companion|''Terry Pratchett HisWorld Official Exhibition Companion'']] (Dunmanifestin Ltd, October 2018)

==Publishers==
* [[B. Wahlströms]]
* [[Colin Smythe]]
* [[Doubleday]]
* [[Gollancz]]
* [[HarperCollins]]
* [[Heyne]]
* [[L'Atalante]]
* [[Random House]]

==See Also==
* [[Articles and Speeches]]
* [[Contributions to other works]]
* [[Dedications]]
* [[Deleted Scenes]]

==External links==
* [[wikipedia:Terry Pratchett|Terry Pratchett]] on Wikipedia
* [[wikipedia:Discworld|Discworld]] on Wikipedia
* [http://www.terrypratchett.co.uk/ Terry Pratchett] - Verlagsgruppe Random House / Doubleday / etc.
* [http://www.terrypratchettbooks.com/ Terry Pratchett Books] - (HarperCollins)
* [http://www.colinsmythe.co.uk/ Colin Smythe Ltd]
* [http://www.i-m-t.demon.co.uk/afp/biblio1.txt ppint's extensive bibliography, part 1 (Discworld works)]
* [http://www.i-m-t.demon.co.uk/afp/biblio2.txt ppint's extensive bibliography, part 2 (non-Discworld works)]
* [http://www.i-m-t.demon.co.uk/afp/biblio3.txt ppint's extensive bibliography, part 3 (foreign language editions)]
* [http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/p/terry-pratchett/ Fantastic fiction]
* [http://www.terrypratchettbooks.org/discworld/threads/the-ultimate-guide-to-terry-pratchetts-written-works.93/ The Ultimate Guide To Terry Pratchett's Written Works]
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?155 Terry Pratchett - Chronological Bibliography]

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'''W'''hat if the stories were true? What if there really were [[Vampires]] and [[Werewolves]] and [[Wizards]] and [[Witches]] who really could turn you into a toad, or make you think they had? Suppose [[Samuel Vimes|Nick]] and [[Sybil Ramkin|Nora]] {{wp|Nick_and_Nora_Charles|Charles}} were the most powerful couple in the country...

There is a story that the world is a disc borne on the backs of [[World Elephant|four elephants]] which stand on the carapace of an enormous [[Great A'Tuin|turtle]]. In one corner of the Multiverse (the one farthest from ''Reality'') this, too, is true. This is where the [[Narrative Causality|story]] creates the history and a one-in-a-million chance turns up nine times out of ten and the ocean falls into space around the [[rim]] without depleting itself. On the [[Discworld (world)|Discworld]], "what if?" must be answered, the stories lived, the myth made real.

Tales from this remote universe arrived regularly via [[Inspiration Particles|inspiration particles]] intercepting the particularly receptive and talented brain of [[Terry Pratchett|Sir Terry Pratchett, OBE]]. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to sort, file and illuminate the elements of these chronicles in this little corner of the vast library of [[L-space]]. Just don't forget your ball of string.

==Bridge==
'''A'''pparently, Breitling SA makes enough money selling watches that no one can afford to sponsor a flight of acrobatic jets. Count me boggled.

==Chorus==
'''I''' sometimes sit and laugh giddily at the mere existence of some Pratchett characters (Carrot Ironfoundersson, say) and the reality he created out of the absurd stereotype. This is often toward the end of the bottle of wine, but still, it suggests how he's different from other writers I have followed. There are now more than twelve hundred [[:Category:Discworld characters|Discworld characters]] described here, and that's not all.

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'''W'''hat if the stories were true? What if there really were [[Vampires]] and [[Werewolves]] and [[Wizards]] and [[Witches]] who really could turn you into a toad, or make you think they had? Suppose [[Samuel Vimes|Nick]] and [[Sybil Ramkin|Nora]] {{wp|Nick_and_Nora_Charles|Charles}} were the most powerful couple in the country...

There is a story that the world is a disc borne on the backs of [[World Elephant|four elephants]] which stand on the carapace of an enormous [[Great A'Tuin|turtle]]. In one corner of the Multiverse (the one farthest from ''Reality'') this, too, is true. This is where the [[Narrative Causality|story]] creates the history and a one-in-a-million chance turns up nine times out of ten and the ocean falls into space around the [[rim]] without depleting itself. On the [[Discworld (world)|Discworld]], "what if?" must be answered, the stories lived, the myth made real.

Tales from this remote universe arrived regularly via [[Inspiration Particles|inspiration particles]] intercepting the particularly receptive and talented brain of [[Terry Pratchett|Sir Terry Pratchett, OBE]]. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to sort, file and illuminate the elements of these chronicles in this little corner of the vast library of [[L-space]]. Just don't forget your ball of string.

==Bridge==
'''A'''pparently, Breitling SA makes enough money selling watches that no one can afford to sponsor a flight of acrobatic jets. Count me boggled.

==Chorus==
'''I''' sometimes sit and laugh giddily at the mere existence of some Pratchett characters (Carrot Ironfoundersson, say) and the reality he created out of the absurd stereotype. This is often toward the end of the bottle of wine, but still, it suggests how he's different from other writers I have followed. There are now more than twelve hundred [[:Category:Discworld characters|Discworld characters]] described here, and that's not all.

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'''W'''hat if the stories were true? What if there really were [[Vampires]] and [[Werewolves]] and [[Wizards]] and [[Witches]] who really could turn you into a toad, or make you think they had? Suppose [[Samuel Vimes|Nick]] and [[Sybil Ramkin|Nora]] {{wp|Nick_and_Nora_Charles|Charles}} were the most powerful couple in the country...

There is a story that the world is a disc borne on the backs of [[World Elephant|four elephants]] which stand on the carapace of an enormous [[Great A'Tuin|turtle]]. In one corner of the Multiverse (the one farthest from ''Reality'') this, too, is true. This is where the [[Narrative Causality|story]] creates the history and a one-in-a-million chance turns up nine times out of ten and the ocean falls into space around the [[rim]] without depleting itself. On the [[Discworld (world)|Discworld]], "what if?" must be answered, the stories lived, the myth made real.

Tales from this remote universe arrived regularly via [[Inspiration Particles|inspiration particles]] intercepting the particularly receptive and talented brain of [[Terry Pratchett|Sir Terry Pratchett, OBE]]. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to sort, file and illuminate the elements of these chronicles in this little corner of the vast library of [[L-space]]. Just don't forget your ball of string.

==Bridge==
'''A'''pparently, Breitling SA makes enough money selling watches that no one can afford to sponsor a flight of acrobatic jets. Count me boggled.

==Chorus==
'''I''' sometimes sit and laugh giddily at the mere existence of some Pratchett characters (Carrot Ironfoundersson, say) and the reality he created out of the absurd stereotype. This is often toward the end of the bottle of wine, but still, it suggests how he's different from other writers I have followed. There are now more than twelve hundred [[:Category:Discworld characters|Discworld characters]] described here, and that's not all.

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Also nurtured by peerless [[Lancre]] horticulturalist [[Percy Hopcroft]], this was the way in which he evaded accusations of slighting local witch [[Esmerelda Weatherwax]]. In [[Short Story:The Sea and Little Fishes|The Sea and Little Fishes]], Percy has named a championship-winning variety of apple after [[Gytha Ogg]], whose subsequent boasting has incurred the ire and brooding discontent of [[Granny Weatherwax]].

Belatedly aware of having roused her simmering wrath - apropos of nothing, she has given him a hair-restoration potion which turns out to work only too well - Percy makes amends with a grovelling letter of apology for whatever it is he's done that's annoyed her.

It reads:
"Dear Misƒtresƒ Weatherwax,

I would be moƒt grateful if you would let me name thiƒ new championƒhip variety Eƒme Weatherwax.
Yours in hopefully good health,

Percy Hopcroft"

This note was found attached to the second of two sacks anonymously left on Granny's back doorstep. The first contained a large cheese; the second, a selection of Percy's best onions.

And thus was harmony restored in Lancre...

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'''C1 House''' is one of the houses at the [[Assassins' Guild]] school. The current head of house is Dr Perdore. It is now used for day pupils.

Like [[B2 House]], C1 was one of the original student houses in the guild, and also takes it's name from the architects's design plans. There was been talk of changing the name to one more in keeping with the more modern houses, but this has been overruled by former old boys of C1, several of whom have gone on to become influential people and are determined to see tradition contented.

==List of current and past members of C1 House:==
*[[Zlorf Flannelfoot]]

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'''''Breaking news about Terry'''''

Saturday, September 16th, 2017:

Opening of the Terry Pratchett HisWorld Exhibition at the Salisbury Museum, Wiltshire. Set to last until Saturday, January 13, 2018. [http://www.pratchetthisworld.com/?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=6ceb3655f9a94b5487a1455ca5733642&uid=267767096&nid=244+272699400 HisWorld Website] [http://www.salisburymuseum.org.uk/ Salisbury Museum Website]

Wednesday, August 30th, 2017:

In accordance with his final wishes Sir Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels are destroyed using a steamroller. [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/30/terry-pratchett-unfinished-novels-destroyed-streamroller News Article]

Thursday, March 12th, 2015:

Sir Terry Pratchett died at home in Wiltshire today following a long battle with Alzheimer's. At present no further details are known. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156 BBC report, 3:26pm GMT]

July 7th, 2014:

''From Terry's Twitter feed:''
"Just to let you all know, the book that's on the screen in front of us - and is well underway - will be the 5th Tiffany Aching novel."

April 8th 2014:

The first International Sir Terry Pratchett Day, instigated by The International Authors Forum, was celebrated at ''[https://www.londonbookfair.co.uk/whats-on/events/International-Sir-Terry-Pratchett-Day/ The London Book Fair]'''

Nov 24th 2013:
This wiki failed completely to note the thirtieth anniversary of the Discworld and the publication of {{COM}}. A belated happy anniversary to all of us!

May 30th 2012:

'''Sir Terry Pratchett wins Wodehouse comic fiction award'''

TP is to have a pig named in his honour after winning the 13th Bollinger Everyman Wodehouse Prize for Comic Fiction. He won for his 50th book Snuff, which has become one of the fastest-selling hardback novels since records began. See '''[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18254267 here]''' for more.

June 13th 2011:

Sir Terry Pratchett has told Newsnight that visiting the Dignitas centre to make the documentary ''Choosing to Die'' has not changed his mind about assisted suicide.

The best-selling author suffers from Alzheimer's and says he wants to die at a time of his choosing.

[[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett Choosing to Die|''Terry Pratchett Choosing to Die'']] screened on BBC TV on 13/06/11 at 9:00pm.

See '''[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9511737.stm here]''' for more. And '''[http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150213839635025&set=a.414453865024.181790.43413980024&type=1&ref=nf here]''' for even more.

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'''Alphabetical list of [[List of Pratchett characters|characters]] in the works of Terry Pratchett'''
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'''Latest and Upcoming Publications by or about Terry Pratchett'''

13th January 2017: The BBC has announced that it is producing a TV drama-documentary of his life. [[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett: Back in Black|''Terry Pratchett Back in Black'']] is based on Terry's own notes for a never-written autobiography, and features actor Paul Kaye as Terry. It was screened on the evening of Saturday 11th February 2017. viewers based outside the UK might be able to watch it '''''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxpdh-vKTz4 here]]''''' ''[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38601542 Press Release]''

25 August 2016: Release of the second collection of Terry's early stories {{TWVC}}.

14 June 2016: Release of the last in {{TLE}} series {{TLCO}}.

22 Oct 2015: expected release of {{CDA}}

Thursday 27th August 2015: Release of the final Discworld Novel {{TSC}}.

15 June 2015: the anticipated release date for the fourth book in the ''Long Earth'' series, {{TLU}}

20th February 2015: [[Book:The Rince Cycle|''The Rince Cycle'']], a theatrical adaptation starring [[Rincewind]] and based on the early Discworld novels, by [[Stephen Briggs]] and Terry Pratchett.

9 Oct 2014: [[Book:Mrs Bradshaw's Handbook|Mrs Bradshaw's Handbook]], a guide to railway travel around the Sto Plains, was released.

24 Sep 2014: [[Book:A Slip of the Keyboard|''A Slip of the Keyboard: Collected Non-fiction Writings'']] was released.

11 Sep 2014: {{DCC}}, a collection of short stories for children (and their grandparents) was released.

19 Jun 2014: {{TLM}}, the third in the SF series co-written with Stephen Baxter was released.

18th Nov 2013: A [[Wintersmith (Steeleye Span)|musical version]] of {{W}} is to be released, based on old and original English folk music, performed by [[Maddy Prior]] and Steeleye Span (of ''Two Magicians'' fame - see {{ER}})

7 Nov 2013: {{RS}}, the 40th book in the Discworld series, released. The Disc's first train comes steaming into town.

'''''Radio''''':- In December 2014, BBC Radio Four is to broadcast an adaptation of '''Good Omens''' in six parts, culminating in the Amageddon which will happen on one hour on Christmas Day. Be sure to eat your Christmas dinner and open your presents first.

'''''Television''''':- In Feb. 2009. Terry has broadcast two one-hour documentaries for the BBC, [[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett Living With Alzheimer's|''Terry Pratchett Living With Alzheimer's'']], in which a production team shadows him for a year while he lives with the awareness of his Alzheimers' Disease and its implications.

''Previous releases:-''

*Television series of [[TV and Film:Johnny and the Bomb|''Johnny and the Bomb'']], 2006.
*TV film of [[TV and Film:Hogfather|''Hogfather'']], December 2006.
*TV film of [[TV and Film:The Colour of Magic|''The Colour of Magic'']], Easter 2008.
*TV production of [[TV and Film:Going Postal|''Going Postal'']], May 2010.
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* ... the motto carved above the doors of [[Unseen University]] means ''Now you see it, now you don't''?
* ... there are only six references to Harry Potter on this entire Wiki?
* ... [[Sto Lat]] is a [[wikipedia:Sto Lat|Polish song]], the expression meaning "may you live a hundred years"?
* ... someone has actually made a [http://freespace.virgin.net/tony.fisk2/janescakes/discworld/discworld.htm Discworld cake]?
* ... the article [[Multiple exclamation marks]] has attracted more than 50,000 views?!!! And that was on the ''old'' Wiki: even allowing for the shiny new-ness of this new home, "M.E.M." has attracted over 36,000 viewings while many popular characters and books haven't reached 10,000. What ''is'' it about this page?
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==Templates==

I started to enter stuff and pretty soon I found myself referring to {{wpr}} and {{lsr}} and their respective content. So I created some templates. A template is just a way of handling repeated text.

* If I want to refer to the {{wpr}} article on '''Terry Pratchett''', for instance, I type
** <nowiki>{{wp|Terry_Pratchett|Terry Pratchett}}</nowiki>
* which is easier for me to type than
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* For {{lsr}} entries I enter
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To refer to {{wpr}} I use the template <nowiki>{{wpr}}</nowiki>

To refer to {{lsr}} I use the template <nowiki>{{lsr}}</nowiki>

--[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 07:03, 3 Jul 2005 (CEST)

:Shouldn't one use <nowiki>[[wikipedia:The Librarian|The Librarian]]</nowiki> to refer to the [[wikipedia:The Librarian|article]] in wikipedia? [[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 22:03, 7 Jul 2005 (CEST)

:: Yes. Didn't know that would work on this Wiki. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 16:42, 8 Jul 2005 (CEST)

I'm working on templates using the common abbreviations for the book titles, like this:
<nowiki>{{G!G!}}</nowiki> = {{G!G!}}
(got tired of typing the full text every time)
--[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 11:47, 12 January 2007 (CET)

== Pictures ==

I've been browsing through this wiki a little, and noticed there's no pictures!
There's three ways I can add pictures to things such as character pages, book pages etc...

1. If they're on Wikipedia, take them from there.

2. Find the character pics in the Who's Who at lspace.org (they're even the right size).

3. Scan them in from the Art Of Discworld / Graphic Novels (I've only got The Last Hero though) and shrink them down.

That'd be alright, wouldn't it? As long as you put a tag on to say where they're from, and they're some silly little resolution!
--[[User:JaffaCakeLover|JaffaCakeLover]] 15:09, 11 February 2007 (GMT)

Well, (3) sounds illegal, although Terry. Paul and the publishers might not mind that much, not being Disney Corp. Does anyone know where to find a concise set of rules for lay people? Copyright law tends to be made by them with the most lawyers, and even the array of various licenses for "free" internet use boggles me. (There are more ways to get pictures, of course; the ones we have tend to be home-made, or created by acquaintances.)--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 19:37, 11 February 2007 (CET)

:: (1) might not be possible due to different licenses - check that first before copying them over here. Just because something is on Wikipedia doesn't mean there's no copyright. Same for (2), though that might be not as much of a problem. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 13:33, 12 February 2007 (CET)

:::I agree. There are copyright images on Wikipedia that have been granted special dispensation to be shown there. Also, the copyrights work differently in different countries so what might be copyright free in the US might not necessarily be copyright free in the UK or mainland Europe. This is a touchy and unnecessarily complicated subject that should be taken with due consideration. In addition, just because they are on Wikipedia doesn't mean that they should be here on this site. Using the same images as Wikipedia makes this site less unique, doesn't it? Or is that just me? -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid #183a55">[[User:CelticWanderer|'''<span style="background-color:white; color:#183a55">  CelticWanderer  </span>''']][[User talk:CelticWanderer|<span style="background-color:#183a55; color:white">    talk    </span>]][[Special:Contributions/CelticWanderer|<span style="background-color:#183a55; color:white">    contribs    </span>]][[Special:Editcount/CelticWanderer|<span style="background-color:#183a55; color:white">    edits    </span>]]</span></small> 22:23, 7 June 2013 (GMT)

I've been working on a version of the Ankh-Morpork coat of arms but it may be some time before it's finished.--[[User:Teletran|Teletran]] 04:47, 12 February 2007 (CET)

:This one? [[:de:Bild:Discworld-ankh-morpork-amoswolfe.png]] AmosWolfe made it for this Wiki and uploaded it on the German one first because there where some upload problems here at that time. Hasn't he uploaded it here since? --[[User:Death|Death]] 14:33, 12 February 2007 (CET)

Actually this one[[http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Image:Am01.png#filehistory]] is mine, I haven't added the bearers yet. It's less flamboyant but in some cases more accurate. By the way I use two computers one has a realy dark monitor and one has a realy bright one so if my pictures are to far on way or the other let me know and I'll fix it. --[[User:Teletran|Teletran]] 02:36, 13 February 2007 (CET)

I think we're allowed to put a picture of the book's cover on the book pages and indeed some of the early ones do have one. This would be one way of adding a splash of colour.--[[User:Teletran|Teletran]] 16:12, 13 March 2007 (CET)

There is a little difference bitween those pictures and uploaded pictures. Content that was uploaded to the wiki falls under some license. Those pictures are part of a template and get loaded from the Amazon.com servers. They are not part of the "content" that you are allowed to copy. --[[User:Death|Death]] 18:53, 13 March 2007 (CET)

Still, the book pages are effectively a review so some small exerts are allowable and quite frankly I can't see any reason why including the book covers are any less objectionable than adding the blurb.--[[User:Teletran|Teletran]] 23:46, 13 March 2007 (CET)

It's not easy for me to explain this in English but I try again: If we upload a picture to the wiki it becomes part of the license and we would say "we have the right to give you this picture and you can copy it and re-use it elsewhere just mentioning this wiki" (and we don't have the right to do so). But if we include the cover from someplace else and it is not part of the wiki content (you can't click on it and get license information) we shouldn't have that problem (as we do now on book pages). --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:21, 14 March 2007 (CET)
:What Death says makes sense but in this case it is too literal and should not be taken as face value. As a rule text and images are very different animals. I would tend to have something like this in the footer that explains: ''Text and images are available under the [insert your license here] license <u>unless otherwise stated</u>; additional terms may apply.''
:You can then be more specific on your copyrights page and even more specific on the image page in the summary and, more importantly, by selecting the correct or appropriate license from the drop-down list (which you don't seem to have implemented on this wiki yet). Then, with this in place, you are covering yourself legally.
:There is obviously more to it than this but this is the basics of something that can be made simple with a little bit of effort to set up. Just make sure you never use copyright images without prior permission first, but that is common sense and we all know that. I am happy to help implement a selection of licenses for this wiki if admin are happy for me to. -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid #183a55">[[User:CelticWanderer|'''<span style="background-color:white; color:#183a55">  CelticWanderer  </span>''']][[User talk:CelticWanderer|<span style="background-color:#183a55; color:white">    talk    </span>]][[Special:Contributions/CelticWanderer|<span style="background-color:#183a55; color:white">    contribs    </span>]][[Special:Editcount/CelticWanderer|<span style="background-color:#183a55; color:white">    edits    </span>]]</span></small> 22:23, 7 June 2013 (GMT)

I notice Wikipedia is using scanned illustrations by Kidby, etc.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undead_%28Discworld%29] Are we being too cautious here, or just more respectful of the artists?--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 19:53, 28 May 2007 (CEST)<BR>(WP removed that picture of the Fresh Start Club not long after.) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 19:30, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

== Characters and other fictional elements ==

Instead of linking "Characters" directly from the main page, might it be a better idea to have the main page link to a page called "Fictional Elements" or something similar, and then link *that* page to, say, "Characters" (e.g. Rincewind), "Places" (e.g. Ankh-Morpork) and "Other" (e.g. magic)? Otherwise the main page could get a tad long. {{unsigned2|06:14, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)|203.31.10.1}}

: Give it a go. My personal feeling is that it isn't a big deal if the main page is long enough to have links to characters, places, science and other aspects, but Wikis are for editing, so do it. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 14:46, 7 Jul 2005 (CEST)

== Languages ==

"How should we handle non-English articles? Are they allowed? How can we arrange it so that, say, a German, Swedish, French, Spanish, Polish or Dutch speaker coming here can easily find articles in a language he can read and write?"

On the note on the frontpage about Dutch, German, etc: I would prefer it if we start out in English. I presume that most Pratchett fans will be able to communicate in English. If the wiki seems to be going well, we can always start adding other languages on demand. As there appears to be a German wiki, it wouldn't make sense to duplicate that effort, but for other languages it could work. I don't know whether there is a special way that other languages can be implemented in this wiki, so an Italian person could get the Italian Wiki by default instead of the English?
--[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 23:03, 8 Jul 2005 (CEST)

: @Sanity have you seen what Tony and I tested on the other wiki? [http://www.thediscworld.de/index.php/DiscWiki:Spielwiese Sandbox] This wiki appears as ''English'' on the menu (linking to the Rincewind page as a test). Are we going to ''officially'' link the two wikis as English and German versions? --[[User:Death|Death]] 17:22, 5 Aug 2005 (CEST)

::Bit late, sorry. What exactly have you done? Personally, I see no problem officially linking the wikis. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 19:29, 16 Aug 2005 (CEST)

:::Well, we have tested what happens when we add the other wiki in the interwiki table. If you'd added the German wiki as '''de http://www.thediscworld.de/index.php/$1 1''' (and this wiki as '''en http://www.affordable-prawns.co.uk/wiki/index.php/$1 1''', which is not nessesary but cool for self-linking ;-)) we can both add <nowiki>[[en/de:Article name]]</nowiki> links to our articles and they will appear as different languages on the menu as you can see in the German [http://www.thediscworld.de/index.php/DiscWiki:Spielwiese Sandbox]. --[[User:Death|Death]] 08:01, 17 Aug 2005 (CEST)

::: Okay, finally found out how to do this. It should work now, see [[Rincewind]] for example. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 18:03, 11 Sep 2005 (CEST)

== Annotations ==

Before making any changes on the main page I would like to talk about it. I think the link ''Annotations'' is not a very good idea, because it is likely that this page will never hold more then a link to the APF. I would prefer to place the link of the APF directly on the starting page. A more interesting page could be a page about you know ''Stuff''. Interesting things mentioned in the books, like the ''Ritual of Ask-Ente'', ''Morris Dancing'', ''Counting pines'', ''Quantum Butterflies'', ''Headology'' and so on. --[[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]] 16:56, 16 Aug 2005 (CEST)
:It depends on what you have to say about annotations. One could make a cool portal page about them, linking to pages that discribe an annotation in detail and link to books with many annotations and so on. A ''Stuff'' portal would be interesting, too. --[[User:Death|Death]] 08:04, 17 Aug 2005 (CEST)
I added the ''Stuff'' portal, however I am not really happy with its name. Does someone have a better idea? Or maybe is this portal not such a good idea after all? --[[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]] 22:50, 28 Aug 2005 (CEST)
:The ''Stuff'' portal is obviously a very good idea, it lists things that are not characters or locations (which are numerous enough to warrant their own pages), you can see stuff added to the ''Stuff'' just about every day. The name and description can be improved but I don't think it's important.

I've always enjoyed the annonations on APF and have been disappointed there are no entries for the recent books. So it is great that we can now add to them. However the current formatting for them here is just awful and unreadable. Can templates be made, or some style policy made? And a decision about how to reference the quote and how to refer to which published edition without distracting from the text would be good.

; (p32) "I was thinking about having the quote from the book like this" : And the associated annotation written like this. Using the 'definition' style, as it is quick and easy to pick up and run with. However the auto bolding might be a bit overbearing with a whole page of them.
[[User:Shadeofblue|Shadeofblue]] 06:40, 15 June 2006 (CEST)

==Registering for editing==
After all this spamming how about changing the wiki to "only registered users can edit pages"? --[[User:Death|Death]] 21:30, 18 Oct 2005 (CEST)
:Sounds like a good idea, but then people can still just register and then spam? Do we have the capability to, from the other end of the issue, block or refuse entries and edits that contain a large number of links? --Vsl
::In theorie they still could. But those are bots at work, not humans and up till now I've never seen such spaming on a register-wiki --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:06, 19 Oct 2005 (CEST)
:::The recent increase of spam is really scary, but registering always keeps some people away from contributing. Does someone know if there is a plugin for visual confirmation, thus forcing users to type a random sequence of letters after each edit? This usually keeps bots away. --[[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]] 12:44, 19 Oct 2005 (CEST)
:::I've never seen that in a wiki and would consider it a greater annoyance for regular posters. --[[User:Death|Death]] 16:19, 19 Oct 2005 (CEST)
::::Those things are really annoying, I agree. I'll see what I can do about the recent spamming. One option would be to block on user-agent header on server level, but they'll probably use something inconspicuous. Another option could be disallowing more than N urls. But that will probably involve some hacking in the source code, which I really prefer to avoid. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 17:40, 19 Oct 2005 (CEST)
:::::Blocking user agent is pretty useless. They could just identify themselves as internet --[[User:Lord rel|Lord rel]] 17:02, 20 December 2005 (CET)explorer if they wanted to, maybe they already do. It is just honest bots that would identify themselves as bots. I am not a wiki administrartor so I can't tell for sure but I would be very surprised if the bot owners would be so na�ve that they told the world that they are spam bots. [[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 18:39, 22 October 2005 (CEST)

Several registered-user spam now.. --[[User:Vsl|Vsl]] 23:15, 11 December 2005 (CET)
Some that seem to be the same spam from the same user wi anth a new user name. Does blocking a user name also block the IP that that user used? That would be a useful blocking function. --[[User:Vsl|Vsl]] 01:15, 12 December 2005 (CET)
:I don't think that the ip is blocked when banning registred users. To me it seems like it is one person that is responsible for all spam on this wiki. All spam has been very similar. [[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 14:39, 12 December 2005 (CET)

::All spam is similar. I've installed an extension to limit spam but it doesn't seem to work very effectively yet. As far as the server logs go, the spammers are not coming from the same IP address every time. I'm going to play a bit with the settings in the coming days/weeks, so if you get a warning about spamming when editing contact me if it's wrong. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 13:14, 13 December 2005 (CET)

:::Let me know if you find a way. Hm, "a" way would be to couple registration to a valid email address that has to be confirmed by clicking a link in an email send to you. Can't remember if the software supports that. --[[User:Death|Death]] 10:08, 14 December 2005 (CET)
::::The software doesnt support it. And all the discussion about implementing it into future versions are about vandalism by human beings. They don't talk about bots which seem to be our problem here :-( Maybe they are not aware of the problem. --[[User:Death|Death]] 16:02, 16 December 2005 (CET)

You could Use the mediawiki SpamBlacklist extension mentioned here [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features] using the recommended blacklist [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist] and that would be more effective then blocking users
:I have added ''$wgSpamRegex = "/ci alis|vi agra|over flow: auto;|over flow:auto;/";'' to the German Wiki --[[User:Death|Death]] 15:56, 20 December 2005 (CET)
:I've added that one for this wiki now. Added spaces so I can actually update this page. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 17:58, 20 December 2005 (CET)

::Using the complete list from [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Spam_blacklist] would be better and cover a more effective range as spammers use misspelling and ascii characters to bypass keyword blocking. [[User:lord_rel|lord_rel]] 16:02, 20 December 2005 (CET)
:::I know but I won't install that extension that is needed to run that list at the moment. By the way: The German Wiki is spam-bot free by now. --[[User:Death|Death]] 17:46, 20 December 2005 (CET)
::::I thought about changing the source code to count the number of external links and not allow pages with 5 or more links but than I remembered yesterday where I made a help page explaining how to link from the German Wiki to this wiki and linked here 5 times [[:de:DiscWiki:Andere Sprachen]] ;-) but I think that I can use <nowiki>[[:en:Mainpage]]</nowiki> instead. The remaining problem with changing the source code is that there are so many updates to the wiki software :-( --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:45, 24 December 2005 (CET)

==Listing of books==
When writing an article on a character, when we list the books in which a character appears in, should we list them in alphabetical order, or in chronological order (older books first)? Some advantages of each method I can think of are: when books are listed in chronological order, events described in the article without quoting each book may make more sense, as the chronological list of books can serve as memory refresher; when books are listed in alphabetical order, the list looks neater, and it's easy to check whether a book is already listed, if the person who wants to list that book momentarily can't remember the chronological order in which the books were written.

Same question about listing, in an article on a book, the characters who appear in that book. In order of appearance, or alphabetical order? -- Vsl
:I vote for chronological order for the books and alphabetical order for the characters (most of them will be added from the memory. (everybody can remember Esme, Magrat and Nanny in WS but who can remember whose name was mentioned first without checking? And is it important?) --[[User:Death|Death]] 11:13, 11 November 2005 (CET)
::Seconded --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 15:44, 11 November 2005 (CET)
::A few more votes? I've been trying to wikify more links in the bibliography as well. After we got a few more votes, I'll go through the character listings and book listings in articles. -- Vsl
:::Chronogical order for books and alphabetical for chars, as above. If someone can't remember where a book is in the chronology, someone else will add or correct it.--[[User:Silaor|Silaor]] 01:05, 13 November 2005 (CET)
:::Soliciting opinions and votes from Jeltz, Jogibaer, Cheezewizz2000, and anyone else who will kindly give an opinion. As I said I've been adding links to the bibliography articles; most of them contain only blurbs; I intend to list characters but not locations, so in the blurbs I linked locations and stuff like species, types of magic, etc. It would be nice in the book article to have a list of locations appearing in the book, I am just skipping it because I am not good at it. If one day a list of locations is to be added to the book article, same question applies: alphabetical or chronological? -- Vsl

::::Hum... I'd say alphabetical like the characters. But with spoilers warning :) --[[User:Silaor|Silaor]]
::::If there are enough users who remember the cronological order of the locations it could be more interesting than a mere alphabetical list. Think of books like "Witches Abroad" or "Jingo". Here a cronological ordering of the locations tells (almost) half of the story. Of course, this might not be the case for other books. Oh, and yes, we should definitely state that an article about a book might contain information about the book. ;-) --[[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]] 08:47, 16 November 2005 (CET)
:::::The order of places should be there in the summary of the book anyway. --[[User:Death|Death]] 10:07, 16 November 2005 (CET)

Summary of voted approaches so far:
:1. In character or location or stuff etc articles, books are listed in chronological order, properly linked, and ''italicized''. If a specific point written in the article paragraphs requires reference to a specific book (ex. a really interesting piece of information that people probably don't know where it was written but will like to look up), it'll also be added in the form of (''book''), (in ''book''), (see ''book''), etc.
:2. In book articles, characters are listed in alphabetical order, one section for major characters and another section for minor characters.
:3. In book articles, in addition to blurb and list of characters, a summary could be written, and the summary should include major plot points, which include the important places that the story takes place in. In this approach, locations will automatically be mentioned in order of appearance (then whether there's a separate section for list of locations is secondary matter).
Other stuff I thought we should do but weren't done in all instances before:
:4. Wikify links in book blurbs.
:5. Same thing in book summaries.

Summary of progresses on these approaches so far as I can gather:
:1. Book listing chronological, linked and italicized; I checked all the locations and stuff articles I could find, and Jeltz got the character articles fixed. Thank you Jeltz.
:2. Only a few book articles have listing of characters, and the one for ''Thud!'' isn't divided between major characters and minor characters, or maybe the minor characters aren't listed yet. More books need listing of major characters and minor characters; for new listings as well as old lists that are already done, they need to be checked so that they are in alphabetical order, with the links to the more interesting characters wikified.
:3. Only a few book articles have a summary other than the official publisher blurb. More books need a summary, with major locations mentioned in order of appearance and their links wikified along with other things of interest (guilds, businesses, species, magic, etc).
:4. I wikified stuff in blurbs except for ''Diggers'', ''Wings'', ''A Hat Full of Skies'', ''Thud!'' (I haven't read them), Johnny Maxwell series, and other stand-alone books unavailable in the US.
:5. I wikified links in the few book summaries in existance.
--[[User:Vsl|Vsl]]

== Skinning of the Wiki. ==

When I'm not logged in this wiki uses a style that resmbles L-space but when I'm logged in it uses the default mediawiki stylesheet. A quite surprising behavior. :) Is it supposed to be like this? [[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 14:47, 20 November 2005 (CET)
:No, it isn't ... at least, not on my computer. Try going to [[Special:Preferences]], maybe you aren't using the default skin.--[[User:Silaor|Silaor]] 14:51, 20 November 2005 (CET)
::Ah, thanks. I should have checked that before asking. For some reason (maybe because I joined pretty early) the skin was set to Monobook (default wikipedia skin) instead of the default skin of this wiki. [[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 16:07, 20 November 2005 (CET)

In the very early days, the Monobook skin was default. I then started to work on an L-Space skin, after lspace.org asked me whether I'd like to become part of them. When it was kind of good, I made it default, but the early joiners will still have monobook as their skin.

If anybody has experience with skinning (quite simply: how do I get "L-Space" in the list of skins? and advanced: helping to improve the current LSpace skin), please help. There's also a discussion on the lspace-users mailing list [http://lists.lspace.org/archive/lspace-users/msg02546.html starting here].
--[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 22:37, 20 November 2005 (CET)

:I know little of administrating a mediawiki wiki, but I found something that if I read ti correctly should add a skin to the list http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_look_and_feel. As for the second more advanced question I think that most of the skinnig is done in css and there I '''might''' be able to help a little (just thinking of small fixes now). [[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 00:06, 22 November 2005 (CET)

Okay, some odd things on the wiki today because I've been busy with it, ''but'', it works now and you can select the "LSpace" skin which is now default for new users. I recommend to all users to change their skin to LSpace, as the MySkin skin will not be maintained anymore. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 19:13, 22 November 2005 (CET)

''Note: LSpace skin is being updated for this version of Mediawiki. Please report errors and annoyances'' --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 17:14, 11 January 2007 (CET)

== Layout of Main Page ==

Now that the wiki seems to have left the kick off period I suggest a new layout, that is a bit more flexible. Please comment on the suggestion on [[Main_temp]]. --[[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]] 22:55, 16 December 2005 (CET)

In my opinion it is about time to give the Main Page a more sophisticated look. This layout is only an idea. (It is very similar to the German Wikipedia Main Page, but it is all under the Common License, isn't it?) Please feel free to comment on the layout, to change it, or to propose a totally different one. --[[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]] 22:51, 16 December 2005 (CET)

:I like it, as it has a lot more information without getting crowded. My main objection is the colours. They don't fit with the beige L-Space look. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 17:36, 17 December 2005 (CET)
::I like it, too. The choice of content is much better than the one on the German wiki and I'd like to use some of those choices there, too. Colour is always a problem. The wiki is much more dynamic than the rest of the l-space web and those dynamic should be reflected by the colours used. --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:46, 18 December 2005 (CET)
:::I agree with Sanity, but I haven't yet found any colour which would fit the l-space look. –[[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 14:07, 18 December 2005 (CET)
::::I find this tool useful: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/color-blend/ - it is a "colour blender" - just enter any two values and it will create the codes for the colours in between. Give it a try, it's pretty good! -=# [[User:AmosWolfe|Amos E Wolfe]] <sup>[[User talk:AmosWolfe|talk]]</sup> #=- 14:45, 18 December 2005 (CET)

::::Looks quite good now. Shall I put it up? Then it'll be easier for other people to contribute or at least discuss the main page. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 14:49, 20 December 2005 (CET)
:::::I like the darker colors but the whiter ones are a bit too bright for my eyes. Otherwise I like it. –[[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 15:07, 20 December 2005 (CET)

== What's up with wiki.lspace.org? ==

wiki.lspace.org has been down for some time now. Why isn't the wiki reachable from the lspace domain anymore? –[[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 15:50, 4 January 2006 (CET)

:I have e-mailed the Cabal (TINC) that the IP address has changed. The modem broke down, so I relocated the server to my own flat. I'll e-mail them again. It was a bit hectic as it broke the day before Christmas. ''Update'': it will hopefully be fixed before end of the week. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 17:01, 4 January 2006 (CET)

Whats up with http://wiki.affordable-prawns.co.uk? I only get an error message by a hoster. --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:02, 12 January 2007 (CET)

:I considered that it wasn't used that much anymore, and so I changed the IP address for it because wiki.lspace.org is a CNAME for that. I arranged it that way so I could make changes without bothering the LSpace folk. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 10:19, 12 January 2007 (CET)

== Spoiler Policy ==

I've just started reading some of that material on this wiki, and I like what I've seen. However, I think there needs to be a major change to its spoiler policy. There are some articles that are filled with so many spoiler warnings, or things that are left out out of a fear of spoilers, that they become ineffective. I think that the whole wiki would be much more sucessful if the begining of each page, or even section, but after that not restricting content. There are links about Angua that say "w-" insted of werewolf. Angua's species is revealed very early in the first book she appears in... this seems like excessive protection. Putting spoiler warnings is very nice for people who havent read the book, but if alot of content is going to be omitted (see bottom of the page on Golems), then it defeats the purpose of having a wiki.
- Sean St.
:I second that. --[[User:Death|Death]] 13:49, 26 May 2006 (CEST)

:Thirded. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 17:02, 26 May 2006 (CEST)

::Yeah we badly need a spoiler policy. I'm not sure what that policy should be but we must have a policy for consistency. –[[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 17:31, 26 May 2006 (CEST)

''I've created a "Discworld & Pratchett_Wiki:Spoiler policy" page to put a spoiler policy on. Let's continue the discussion there. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 12:44, 27 May 2006 (CEST)''

Can anybody reconstruct the spoiler policy? It seems that it has been lost... --[[User:EinFritz|EinFritz]] ([[User talk:EinFritz|talk]]) 17:00, 1 October 2013 (GMT)
:No, apparently it wasn't copied over from the original and Sanity has taken down his archive of the old version. There never was a policy, except that we don't use spoiler warnings: spoilers are pretty much what we do here (you'll get spoilers for the Bible in a Concordance, too). The site notice used to contain a warning that articles might "contain nuts and spoilers for the plots of books". Perhaps we should restore that in some form. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 22:36, 1 October 2013 (GMT)
::Now that you mention it I kind of miss that thing. --[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm|talk]]) 05:22, 3 October 2013 (GMT)

== Discworld Wiki and Wikipedia Discworld ==

I was recently checking out the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld Discworld] information at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikipedia] site. There is a lot of information there and some good layout ideas. I particularly like the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh-Morpork Ankh-Morpork] page with the floating box on the right, which has some good summerised info about the city.

I'm not totally sure how all this Wiki stuff goes but would it be wrong to 'borrow' some of those ideas and incorporate them into this wiki? -- [[User:Mikecook|Mike]]
:You can incorporate ideas and facts but not texts and images. --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:04, 18 July 2006 (CEST)

'''Some more thoughts'''

After looking some more at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld Wikipedia Discworld] site I have some more questions...I hope you don't mind me being upfront!

By the looks of it the Wikipedia Discworld has been around for quite some time, thus the content is somewhat more mature. I am a little confused...should not the two sites complement each other? i.e. The Wikipedia version be more like a summerisation of the contents found in this Wiki, where as here we can go to town on the more finer details? (I would think this is what most people believe is).
:Yes, it should be like that but this wiki needs to be filled with enough information before it is like that. It's still quite young. --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:04, 18 July 2006 (CEST)

However, it seems that the Wikipedia infomation get's updated far more regular than this site. Why is this? Is it because people don't know this Wiki exists? After doing a search on the the [http://www.terrypratchettbooks.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php Terry Pratchett Message Board] I notice there are only a handful of 'passing' references to this Wiki, at least half those are to the Wikipedia content.

Do we need to need to go on a ''Discworld Wiki advertiseing compaign''? Maybe a little cheeky but, can we edit the main Wikipedia pages so that the link to this Wiki is at the top of the external links. ''Is there a method for linking subjects to their external counterpart Wiki's within the WikiMedia environment?'' (I'll have to look into that.) -- [[User:Mikecook|mikecook]] 18:21, 17 July 2006 (CEST)

:I think that it is simply the number of editors that make the differnce. I'm not sure about linking from Wikipedia here. It could count as link spamming. I have been active in the Wikipedia project for some time but I'm still not sure of what would be seen as spamming. –[[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 23:44, 17 July 2006 (CEST)
::That linking should only be possible if this wiki is included as a language at the wikipedia. Normal linking in the text would be easier if this wiki is added to the interwiki list, like we did here with the German and English wiki. --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:04, 18 July 2006 (CEST)

Lots of relevant links have been added to appropriate Discworld-related pages on tvtropes and Facebook Pratchett fan-sites. Should get a few interested visitors. [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 14:44, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

==Slow Slow Slow==

Why is this Wiki so slow? I have tried a number of other wiki sites and they all run at a fair speed, here we have to wait what feels like eons just to load a page. Can this be fixed? Would this not affect visitor numbers and the number of poeple willing to participate?
:Because sanity hosts this wiki on his private computer. The German wiki is a bit faster but still slow and it runs on an expensive rented server. The wiki software takes it's tolls... --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:04, 18 July 2006 (CEST)

::I wonder what resources it drains most. I suspect it is CPU cycles. Myabe we should consider getting better hosting or just a faster server. I'm not demanding anything of Sanity or anyone else, just thinking that it might be a good idea to discuss future server hosting. –[[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] 12:41, 19 July 2006 (CEST)

::When I first found this Wiki I was a little surprised at the speed and was finding myself reluctant to contribute. Alas I have too much research to do so I need other peoples help, will they be as patient? What will happen if traffic gets heavier...will it become unusable? I certainly agree with [[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]] on this, a faster server may be needed. Can I say, I wholly appreciate Sanity for setting up and hosting this Wiki. --[[User:Mikecook|mikecook]] 19:37, 19 July 2006 (CEST)

:::The software runs on my own server indeed, basically because it was set up as an experiment and the main LSpace servers don't do all the fancy stuff like mysql and php. Speed is influenced by both CPU and memory, I think it boils down to CPU mostly. A faster server is always needed, but obviously that's an expensive affair. It may get a little better if the strain on other websites hosted on the same machine gets less, but if it really gets popular a better machine is inevitable. It'd be great to reach that popularity though. The wiki is currently serving about 470 requests per day on average since the beginning, more recently about 600: [http://zandbak.klijmij.net/stats/prawnswiki/ stats]. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 03:49, 21 August 2006 (CEST)

I appologise for the forwardness, admittedly these questions are purely selfish in nature. I have been doing some time consuming research into various aspects of Discworld (Particularly the buildings and georgraphy of [[Ankh-Morpork]]). I believe the information I am aquiring from this is worth sharing on the Wiki. I just don't wish to have to enter it twice. -- [[User:Mikecook|mikecook]] 18:21, 17 July 2006 (CEST)

:Considering the steady growth of the wiki the experiment seems rather succesfull, so I don't see it disappearing anytime soon. So don't hold back in contributing! This wiki should eventually have much more and better articles than Wikipedia in anything DW/TP related. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 03:49, 21 August 2006 (CEST)

It seems to me the problem is not speed, but capacity. The longest article isn't a very
big file to send. I find I can be cruising along and then suddenly have no access, getting
timed out repeatedly. I suspect it's because another user has joined in.I think it's more
reliable when Europeans have gone to bed.
[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 15:35, 30 July, 2006.

== Naming conventions ==

Having come accross a few messy variants in page names for characters, I'd like to propose the following:

The page name is the full common name (First name + Last/Family name) of a character. Middle names can be skipped for practical purposes. Titles should preferably be left out of pagenames.
So, not Sybil Deirdre Olgivanna Ramkin but simply [[Sybil Ramkin]] (as it already is), not [[Casanunda]] but [[Giamo Casanunda]].

To be fully consistent that would also mean using Lord [[Winder]] instead of [[Lord Winder]], for example.

Doubles and other logical options could be caught using redirects and {{wp|Wikipedia:Disambiguation|disambiguation}} pages.

In some cases it would be clearer, in others it might be more the pureness than an advantage, but at least we'd have some consistency throughout the wiki, so it wouldn't be necessary to look up links every time.

Your opinions? --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 23:13, 11 January 2007 (CET)

:Fully ACK. In the German wiki we always use the full names as the page name and have some redirect of comon used formes and also no titles or ranks in the the page name. If somebody is known as Mrs. Something the article will be called only Something. It's not always what people expect but consistent. --[[User:Death|Death]] 09:00, 12 January 2007 (CET)

==Misc pages==

I was thinking that it might be a good idea to group together items that don't yet warrant individual pages. The most obvious case of this would be the UU faculty most of whom are not likely to have their own page until someone rereads every book and takes notes. However it would be the work of a moment to create a page outlining the basic group dynamic and listing the major players with a short description of each i.e Dean: fat man says Yo a lot. The same thing could be done with topics such as 'spells and rituals' or 'magical objects'. I'd like to hear what people think of this idea.--[[User:Teletran|Teletran]] 17:55, 3 February 2007 (CET)

:Many of the major ones already have individual character pages. There is a list of them already in the [[List of Pratchett characters]]. Adding to that list would be preferred first and them may be broken into it's own page. There's also a [[:Category: Wizards | Wizard Category]] who's main page can be added to.

:[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 18:52, 3 February 2007 (CET)

Ok that's essentially what I meant. What about magical objects, I haven't been able to find pages on staffs, wands or seven league boots and I don't think there's a category, should I make a list as detailed above or give each one it's own page. I don't mean to be difficult I'm just trying work out if there's an official policy on this kind of thing--[[User:Teletran|Teletran]] 20:05, 3 February 2007 (CET)

:The best is to start off with a page on magical devices. If something gets large it can be broken off into it's own page.

:Helpful Information:
:# All [[:Special:Categories|Categories]]
:# All [[:Special:Allpages|Pages]]

Devices are listed under [[Discworld Stuff]].--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:35, 3 February 2007 (CET)

== Book information ==
I've had an idea for expanding the Book: pages, see {{ER}} for more information. --[[User:Teletran|Teletran]] 09:11, 17 February 2007 (CET)

== Q about editing ==

I'm new here, but and old DW reader....I've edited a few things...but I was wondering...is there someone(s) I should be telling?
:I think you just have told people. The only thing I'll say is don't get offended by people editing stuff you've put in. Everyone does a typo now and then, and what looks like a sensible sentence structure to one person doesn't to another person. If you want to avoid offending anyone else then make sure any edit summary you put in is along the lines of 'spelling' or 'sentence change', rather than 'correcting gibberish' for example. Also try to avoid getting into a sequence of change and revert with another person, even if they have been impolite enough to suggest your edit was nonsense irrespective of whether what they are complaining about was actually edited by you.
:Oh, and if, like most sensible people, you have java disabled then use <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> to insert your signature. If you have Java enabled, it's apparently the second button from the right above the edit box. I wouldn't know, as I like not having viruses on my machine. As you may have guessed, I'm not a big fan of Java. I mention the signature thing, as you haven't put your name after your question so, if I hadn't come here via the 'Recent Changes' page, I wouldn't have a clue who you are. --[[User:DJones|DJones]] 11:50, 19 March 2007 (CET)

::It's not using java, you can use the entire wiki without java. Really. It does use a little javascript though, which for most users is on by default. If you worry about security or viruses, consider using any other browser than Internet Explorer, or even any other OS than MS Windows. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 15:51, 19 March 2007 (CET)

:::Javascript, fundamentally, is Java. Admittedly a cut-down version, but the exploits are possible either way. That's why I don't turn it on. Given that, as you have said, the entire wiki can be used without it then what would be the point in turning it on? The browser doesn't matter (although IE is, quite clearly, rubbish) when it comes to Java/Javascript problems. --[[User:DJones|DJones]] 22:28, 19 March 2007 (CET)

::::Javascript is only very distantly related to Java. Not a cut-down version. I use a secure browser with frequent updates, so I feel safe enough with it turned on. It makes a lot of websites a lot easier to use. I admit that browsing the web with javascript off is safer, but so is wearing a helmet on a pushbike and neither is what I call comfortable. So that's why I have it turned on. Despite that, I always manually type the signature dashes and tildes :) --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 23:06, 19 March 2007 (CET)

== Mottos ==

I found a page on Lspace [http://www.au.lspace.org/books/apf/the-discworld-companion.html] that has translations of most (if not all) of the mottos used by characters and guilds in the books. Also I note that we've adopted a pretty standardised way of presenting mottoes on this site maybe someone should make a template to do it automatically.--[[User:Teletran|Teletran]] 08:11, 20 March 2007 (CET)

If you have any trouble with the Dog-Latin, this program is pretty nifty -[[http://users.erols.com/whitaker/words.htm]].--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 15:23, 20 March 2007 (CET)

== Semantic Wiki? ==

Has anyone considered adding the [http://wiki.ontoworld.org/index.php/Semantic_MediaWiki Semantic MediaWiki] extension to this Wiki? It would make generating many of the "list" pages a lot easier. [[User:Kellyterryjones|Kellyterryjones]] 01:32, 22 April 2007 (CEST)

:I love the idea of a semantic wiki and have had a look at an beta version some years ago. I didn't know that it is available by now. I'll have a look on it for the German wiki. --[[User:Death|Death]] 15:13, 23 April 2007 (CEST)

== Search Engine ==

Not sure if this is the right place to "complain": when an unregistered user searches for "Lackjaw", he gets no results, because the only match is in Book:The_Light_Fantastic, and the Book: namespace is not searched by default. It's probably OK that the Talk: namespace + a few others aren't searched by default, but I'd think Book: should be? [[User:Kellyterryjones|Kellyterryjones]] 01:02, 5 May 2007 (CEST)

== Book categories ==

The general attitude here seems to be "categories are good", but I thought I'd ask this anyway. I've seen some articles popping up with just a book title on a new line. IMO it's better off as a category, so each book could get a category with articles that are strongly linked to that book in it.

Good idea? --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 19:38, 24 September 2007 (CEST)

== Community portal and Current events ==

I'm considering removing them from the navigation menu as they have no real function right now. Objections? --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 13:45, 31 October 2007 (CET)

:When I first got here a few months ago, I looked at them and thought "Boy, these are a bit stale." If others have the same reaction it might make them think the rest of the place is too. So as long as the main page is kept current and any thing special is announced there, I think your idea makes a lot of sense. But I am a bit of a newbie, so take it for what it is worth. - [[User:PragmaticCynic|PragmaticCynic]] 18:37, 31 October 2007 (GMT)

== Links ==

May I suggest adding both the UK and US publisher websites to the links section. Both have active forums and up to date info about publication of new books? That section of the Main page appears to be locked. Here are the links: UK website: http://www.terrypratchett.co.uk/ US website:http://terrypratchettbooks.com/[[User:Plad2|Plad2]] 06:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

:Added to [[Fandom]] and [[Bibliography]] (HarperCollins was there already.) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 14:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== Renaming of Book pages? ==
I know it sounds like a ton of work to re-link the pages (unless you use redirects), so i'll be brief... listing the novels as "''Book:Soul Music''" looks ugly to me, like a broken template. Couldn't they be named "''Soul Music (Book)''" or "''Soul Music (Novel)''"? [[User:JaffaCakeLover|JaffaCakeLover]] 19:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

:Maybe I'm just used to it: I can't see the advantage of [[Soul Music (book)]] over [[Book:Soul Music]] (which usually appear as [[Soul Music (book)|''Soul Music'']] and [[Book:Soul Music|''Soul Music'']].) I surely can see the difficulty of changing all the titles and the links and the templates though. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 19:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

::It's too big an operation, I think, without a clear advantage. The (minor) advantage of the current system is that it's possible to search just the book namespace, instead of all the articles. It doesn't look aesthetically pleasing, but the (book) suffix does neither, IMO. Moving all the titles and changing the templates would require quite some work though. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 15:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Shouldn't we be using the templates such as <nowiki>{{SM}} </nowiki> to link to books anyway? [[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 16:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

::::Yes, obviously, but in many places there's still the manual links. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 18:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::You may be able to clean that up with a search and replace on the DB itself. Just try it on a backup first --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 20:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== translations ==

One of my favorite pastimes is thinking up dutch translations for the puns and wordplay that are so typical for the Pratchett books. Another is cringing, crying or generally displaying extreme unhappiness whenever I read a dutch translation: sometimes I even wonder if the dutch translator is a native speaker of the language. His or her name, Venugopalan Ittekot, does not sound dutch, but I realize it may be a pseudonym.

To give an example: dutch does have two pronouns, 'jij' and 'u', where the english only have 'you'. 'u' is an honorific; 'jij' is used for people that are considered equals, unless you meet them for the first time, or if you want to create distance.

Over the years 'jij' has become more common, but if one thing is absolutely unthinkable, it would be a policeman addressing our prime minister with 'jij' when giving him a ticket for a defective headlight. Yet that is what Carrot does in GG. It would be as if a London traffic warden would say 'lassie' to the queen...

Another whopper is translating lord Veterinari with 'Ottopedi'. Yes, it sounds italian, but the reference to the Medici family is totally lost and for no good reason at all.

Paai

That's interesting, as in the first edition of the {{DC}}, there's an essay on translating Pratchett out of English that holds the Dutch version up for analysis as a sort of "how-to-do-it" example.

Essay: '''''The Language Barrier (It's All Klatchian To Me)''''', by Stephen Briggs.

Published in 1994, this identifies the Dutch translator as one Ruurd Groot, who by inference did at least the first six Discworld books.

The whole essay is too long to quote here, but mijnheer Groot notes that some things are relatively straightforward - ie, Granny Weatherwax becomes Opoe Esmee Wedersmeer (the mechanics are explained for English speakers). But her broomstick is described as being a Morris Minor.

Now this make of car, to a British reader, instantly conjurs up a picture of something old, clunky and essentially reliable, once you manage to get it started. But how to get the cultural reference accross in Dutch?

Groot begins from the "opoe" idea - an alternative, alightly archaic, word for "grandmother" - and links it to the ''opoefietsen'' - which British readers are told is a sort of old-fashioned ladies' bike which is slow and reliable once you get it started... I thought this was quite neat!

Then there's Death, a lover of curries. Now Holland had a different colonial empire to the British and it didn't cover any part of India. So the curry, a great British staple, is unknown. Death therefore has to go to a differnet part of Roundworld for sustenance at the end of a long night's work.

{{death| IK WEET NIET WAT JIJ ERVAN VINDT, MAAR ENN BORD ROTTI ZOU ER WEL INGAAN]]-

And Death, of course, can no longer use the English idiom "{{death|...I COULD MURDER A...}}as it's unknown in Dutch. so (so far as my limited Dutch takes me) he just has to call by or go into the Curry Gardens (Rottigarden?) to satisfy his craving.

The Rotti, we are told, is the native spicy dish of the former Dutch Surinam in South America, whose eating houses are not unknown in Holland and take the local place of tandooris in Britain.

All very clever stuff!

I assume Ruurd Groot no longer does the Discworld translations? A shame, as Pratchett is quoted as speaking highly of him. --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 12:02, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Found this. It's a Dutch-language Pratchett discussion forum, it might already be familiar to you, where as far as I can make out issues of translation, plus the reliability or otherwise of Venugopalan Ittekot is being debated:-
[http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1104684/2/76]
I've put the link here in case it happens to be new to anyone, although what's the betting several members of this community may already know about it and even contribute...

My limited Dutch (actually more Afrikaans, long story) got some of the gist. Mild amusement at the way ''de Tsae Dran Fiegels'' are treated and translated, also slight consternation at the way our Captain Carrot becomes "Biet" in Dutch. OK, it still allows him red hair, although a far deeper red than Terry might have had in mind, but surely the thing about a beetroot is that it evokes a wholly different body shape? --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 19:26, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

This is a fan discussion on the mechanics of translating Pratchett into French, if anyone's interested. Anilori, who is most knowledgeable on these things, is very active on the French Pratchett fan site ''VadeMecum''. For admission to this chat forum, please contact Adorah.
[http://z3.invisionfree.com/Discworld_Chat/index.php?showtopic=109]--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 12:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

== What is up with the left-side menu? ==

Is it just my browser that renders the left-hand-side menu dropped down below the level of the main text? It's been like this for a couple of days now? --[[User:Iron Hippo|Iron Hippo]] 11:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:It looks the same as ever in my Firefox 3.5.7 - --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 15:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
: I use Chrome and for the last few days the navigation column on the left drops below the main text. --[[User:Iron Hippo|Iron Hippo]] 21:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::Quick check with (bleugh) Explorer and no problems. Really odd. --[[User:Iron Hippo|Iron Hippo]] 21:55, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

== Pratchett on the Dimbleby Lecture ==

Hey guys, I'm not sure if any of you saw this, but Sir Terry was recently on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dimbleby_Lecture Dimbleby lectures] and I thought you may want to include that on the latest upcoming stuff on Terry and discworld. Full transcript of what was a highly emotional speech located [http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/feb/02/terry-pratchett-assisted-suicide-tribunal here].--[[User:Frosty|Frosty]] 03:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:(There were a link and two mentions already.) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 23:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

==Replacement for top-left image==
I don't like that picture of Terry Pratchett, up in the top-left. OK, I like his steepled fingers, but it looks dark & cramped.
I made a new one.
[http://mwojm.webs.com/TerryPratchett.png This one here] is a different pic of Sir Terry, that I played about with to lighten the colours and add a fancy transparency "leaning out of the frame" effect to as well. He looks jolly, and you can see the shape of him and his hat. It's the same pixel height as the current image: Wiki God can just swap the images and it should work! [[User:JaffaCakeLover|JaffaCakeLover]] 14:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

: I like it. But only [[User:Sanity|Sanity]] can make the change. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 15:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
::Only, I ''think'' he got permission to use the wizard picture. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 19:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

==Television Adaptations==
Maybe it's time for a re-think on stories adapted for TV (like ''Hogfather'' or ''Johnny and The Bomb''). I don't think they need their own pages yet, as the only other thing to add would be differences between the screenplay and the books (to be fair, that fluff could easily add hundreds of words, making it worthy of its own page). Perhaps an extra category on the appropriate book pages - suggestions for the name of this category welcome. [[User:JaffaCakeLover|JaffaCakeLover]] 18:32, 1 October 2010 (CEST)

== Change protection level for Main Page ==

Why is the Main Page only semi-protected, why isn't it fully protected, and why is this talkpage also semi-protected? [[user:Myrtone|Myr]][[User talk:Myrtone|'''tone''']][[special:emailuser/Myrtone|@]] 14:30, 13 December 2010 (CET)

==Discworld Cake Link==
The link to the discworld cake on the main page now leads just to advertising. If someone can find another link to it that would be great but if not there are a lot of other versions we could link to, I personally like [http://freespace.virgin.net/tony.fisk2/janescakes/discworld/discworld.htm this one]. What does everyone else think? --[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] 07:36, 16 August 2012 (CEST)
:It looks much as I remember the old one. You could just have replaced it. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 14:27, 16 August 2012 (CEST)

== Where to post other works referring to Terry Pratchett and Discworld? ==
Sorry if this isn't where such things are supposed to be discussed, but is there a place to post games which refer to Terry Pratchett? Something like [[Reading suggestions]] or [[Webcomic and Graphic Novel Suggestions]], but for games? I recently played one called [http://www.kramsdesign.com/games/annas-quest/ Anna's Quest], and not only do I think it would appeal to other readers, but it even has a "in memory of Terry Pratchett" in the credits! --[[User:Varriount|Varriount]] 01:21, 2 August 2015 (EST)
:No, this isn't the place...see [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum#Namespaces]] and [[Bibliography#Gaming]]. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:29, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

==Updating the Main Page without The Author==
Today's addition of "or about" was a useful idea. I was just about to ask what to do with that section and "Breaking news": trim the five-year-old stuff or archive as much as possible? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 17:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

== Main Page ==

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'''''Breaking news about Terry'''''

Saturday, September 16th, 2017:

Opening of the Terry Pratchett HisWorld Exhibition at the Salisbury Museum, Wiltshire. Set to last until Saturday, January 13, 2018. [http://www.pratchetthisworld.com/?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=6ceb3655f9a94b5487a1455ca5733642&uid=267767096&nid=244+272699400 HisWorld Website] [http://www.salisburymuseum.org.uk/ Salisbury Museum Website]

Wednesday, August 30th, 2017:

In accordance with his final wishes Sir Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels are destroyed using a steamroller. [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/30/terry-pratchett-unfinished-novels-destroyed-streamroller News Article]

Thursday, March 12th, 2015:

Sir Terry Pratchett died at home in Wiltshire today following a long battle with Alzheimer's. At present no further details are known. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156 BBC report, 3:26pm GMT]

July 7th, 2014:

''From Terry's Twitter feed:''
"Just to let you all know, the book that's on the screen in front of us - and is well underway - will be the 5th Tiffany Aching novel."

April 8th 2014:

The first International Sir Terry Pratchett Day, instigated by The International Authors Forum, was celebrated at ''[https://www.londonbookfair.co.uk/whats-on/events/International-Sir-Terry-Pratchett-Day/ The London Book Fair]'''

Nov 24th 2013:
This wiki failed completely to note the thirtieth anniversary of the Discworld and the publication of {{COM}}. A belated happy anniversary to all of us!

May 30th 2012:

'''Sir Terry Pratchett wins Wodehouse comic fiction award'''

TP is to have a pig named in his honour after winning the 13th Bollinger Everyman Wodehouse Prize for Comic Fiction. He won for his 50th book Snuff, which has become one of the fastest-selling hardback novels since records began. See '''[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18254267 here]''' for more.

June 13th 2011:

Sir Terry Pratchett has told Newsnight that visiting the Dignitas centre to make the documentary ''Choosing to Die'' has not changed his mind about assisted suicide.

The best-selling author suffers from Alzheimer's and says he wants to die at a time of his choosing.

[[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett Choosing to Die|''Terry Pratchett Choosing to Die'']] screened on BBC TV on 13/06/11 at 9:00pm.

See '''[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9511737.stm here]''' for more. And '''[http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150213839635025&set=a.414453865024.181790.43413980024&type=1&ref=nf here]''' for even more.

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'''Latest and Upcoming Publications by or about Terry Pratchett'''

13th January 2017: The BBC has announced that it is producing a TV drama-documentary of his life. [[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett: Back in Black|''Terry Pratchett Back in Black'']] is based on Terry's own notes for a never-written autobiography, and features actor Paul Kaye as Terry. It was screened on the evening of Saturday 11th February 2017. viewers based outside the UK might be able to watch it '''''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxpdh-vKTz4 here]]''''' ''[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38601542 Press Release]''

25 August 2016: Release of the second collection of Terry's early stories {{TWVC}}.

14 June 2016: Release of the last in {{TLE}} series {{TLCO}}.

22 Oct 2015: expected release of {{CDA}}

Thursday 27th August 2015: Release of the final Discworld Novel {{TSC}}.

15 June 2015: the anticipated release date for the fourth book in the ''Long Earth'' series, {{TLU}}

20th February 2015: [[Book:The Rince Cycle|''The Rince Cycle'']], a theatrical adaptation starring [[Rincewind]] and based on the early Discworld novels, by [[Stephen Briggs]] and Terry Pratchett.

9 Oct 2014: [[Book:Mrs Bradshaw's Handbook|Mrs Bradshaw's Handbook]], a guide to railway travel around the Sto Plains, was released.

24 Sep 2014: [[Book:A Slip of the Keyboard|''A Slip of the Keyboard: Collected Non-fiction Writings'']] was released.

11 Sep 2014: {{DCC}}, a collection of short stories for children (and their grandparents) was released.

19 Jun 2014: {{TLM}}, the third in the SF series co-written with Stephen Baxter was released.

18th Nov 2013: A [[Wintersmith (Steeleye Span)|musical version]] of {{W}} is to be released, based on old and original English folk music, performed by [[Maddy Prior]] and Steeleye Span (of ''Two Magicians'' fame - see {{ER}})

7 Nov 2013: {{RS}}, the 40th book in the Discworld series, released. The Disc's first train comes steaming into town.

'''''Radio''''':- In December 2014, BBC Radio Four is to broadcast an adaptation of '''Good Omens''' in six parts, culminating in the Amageddon which will happen on one hour on Christmas Day. Be sure to eat your Christmas dinner and open your presents first.

'''''Television''''':- In Feb. 2009. Terry has broadcast two one-hour documentaries for the BBC, [[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett Living With Alzheimer's|''Terry Pratchett Living With Alzheimer's'']], in which a production team shadows him for a year while he lives with the awareness of his Alzheimers' Disease and its implications.

''Previous releases:-''

*Television series of [[TV and Film:Johnny and the Bomb|''Johnny and the Bomb'']], 2006.
*TV film of [[TV and Film:Hogfather|''Hogfather'']], December 2006.
*TV film of [[TV and Film:The Colour of Magic|''The Colour of Magic'']], Easter 2008.
*TV production of [[TV and Film:Going Postal|''Going Postal'']], May 2010.
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* ... the motto carved above the doors of [[Unseen University]] means ''Now you see it, now you don't''?
* ... there are only six references to Harry Potter on this entire Wiki?
* ... [[Sto Lat]] is a [[wikipedia:Sto Lat|Polish song]], the expression meaning "may you live a hundred years"?
* ... someone has actually made a [http://freespace.virgin.net/tony.fisk2/janescakes/discworld/discworld.htm Discworld cake]?
* ... the article [[Multiple exclamation marks]] has attracted more than 50,000 views?!!! And that was on the ''old'' Wiki: even allowing for the shiny new-ness of this new home, "M.E.M." has attracted over 36,000 viewings while many popular characters and books haven't reached 10,000. What ''is'' it about this page?
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'''Fiat Lux!'''<br>
''a brief history for those millions who haven't been following closely''

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Once there was an emerging writer of hilarious fantasy parodies called Terry Pratchett. He attracted a readership that included a large proportion of those skilled in the new art of computer communication and some of these set up an early newsgroup, [http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.fan.pratchett/topics alt.fan.pratchett]. Then a group of Dutch and English fans developed the comprehensive website of Pratchettia, [http://www.lspace.org/ ''The L-Space Web'']. The idea arose in discussions in alt.fan.pratchett that it would be interesting to create a wiki of Discworld to explain it to the masses and provide a reference for the involved. A young Dutchman among them known as [[User:Sanity|Sanity]] with a small server and unusual computer skills for an amateur volunteered to set it up. He and a small cadre (many of these speakers of English as a second language) began in 2005 and laid the foundation over several months. The wiki was then absorbed into L-Space (as everything is) for better distribution and the rest of us were given this marvellous toy.

None of the active staff (except [[User:Death|Death]]; Death's always been there) was around in that first year. Some other early contributors who deserve mention are [[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]], [[User:Vsl|Vsl]], [[User:Jeltz|Jeltz]], [[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]], [[User:Silaor|Silaor]] and [[User:Cheezewizz2000|Cheezewizz2000]]. These pioneers created the original articles and set the tone and style that largely remains today. The following year saw a boom in membership and activity and the resulting content: the current administration members joined in this period, [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] editing, [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] (then in a human incarnation) providing technical support and [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] creating volumes of content.

By 2012, however, Sanity the care-free student found himself with a career and family and too little time to maintain the wiki and Osiris assumed the administrative burden in what became known as ''The Long Drive'' as the wiki moved from three small hard discs in the Netherlands to a large Cloud over the central U.S.

At mid-2016, the Main Page shows well over seven million views and many popular pages exceed twenty thousand. Contributors have appeared from five continents (South Americans, feel free to correct) and this wiki appears on the first page, if not first, in many searches for the people, places and things of the worlds of Terry Pratchett.

Unfortunately, much of the wiki's history was lost on the trans-Atlantic voyage and the provenance of much good work over previous years relies on only the uncertain memory of a few ancients. These lost contributors must content themselves with our thanks and the satisfaction of a job well done.

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A [[Strata-machine operators|Strata-machine]] [[Mixer|mixer]] who assisted [[Frane Hendry]] in misbehaviour and didn't realise the machines are routinely monitored to watch out for and report any unauthorised use and programming. Fortunately for her, her indiscretion was judged by [[Kin Arad]], who having done similar things in her own youth, refrained from throwing the book at her. As far as book-throwing goes, she got a slight pamphlet, in the form of three months for the business with the dinosaur skeleton and the [[wikipedia:CND|CND]] placard.

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A '''figgin''' is a small short-crust pasty containing raisins, according to [[the Dictionary of Eye-Watering Words]]. Figgins seem to be a popular coffee-time snack in Ankh-Morpork, but the word is also used as a euphemism for something by which you would not want to be hung. It would seem that there is a history of baked goods having an... intimate... double meaning (See [[Twopenny Upright]])

==Figgin as a euphemism==
* The oath of allegiance of the [[Elucidated Brethren of the Ebon Night]], contained a description of the horrors that would befall a traitor, ending: "...and his ''figgin'' placed upon a spike."
* It is said that [[Mad Lord Snapcase]] was, upon his overthrow, strung up by his ''figgin''. This indicates that either language has changed a lot or that there is some horrible aspect to being suspended next to a teacake.

==Appearances==
* [[Book:Guards! Guards!|Guards! Guards!]]
* [[Book:Interesting Times|Interesting Times]]
* [[Book:Feet of Clay|Feet of Clay]]
* {{NOC}} (Contrary to the above definition, the recipe given in this book contains no raisins.)

==On Roundworld==
In Lancashire and the Manchester area, a "figgin" is perhaps better known as a {{wp|Chorley_cake|"Chorley Cake"}}, and very nice it is too.

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'''Lancre River''' is a turbulent mountain stream flowing through the Kingdom of '''[[Lancre]]''', past '''[[Lancre Town]]''' through '''Lancre''' Gorge, under the '''Lancre''' Bridge and eventually past [[the Chalk]] to the upper [[Ankh (river)|Ankh]]. Geography, to Lancrastians, is not a difficult science, nor one they spend much time on names for...

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|race= Human (Though there is rumor of a [[Troll|Trollish]] streak in his parentage, thus explaining why he favored a profession of darkness. This rumor was seldom uttered in his presence.)
|occupation= Assassin
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'''Zlorf Flannelfoot''' was a previous president of the [[Assassins' Guild]]. He is mentioned in {{COM}}, and described as having a face that is abysmally scarred, as if he's been in hundreds of fights. He also indulges in petty arguments and threats with the then-Head of the [[Thieves' Guild]], [[Ymor]], during a clash over a [[Twoflower|rich foreigner]] in the [[Broken Drum]].

He was commissioned by the [[Patrician]] to have Twoflower quietly eliminated, based on a ''strong suggestion'' from the [[Nine Turning Mirrors|then-Grand Vizier]] of the [[Agatean Empire]]. Accompanied by several other Assassins, Zlorf went to the Drum only to find Twoflower in the custody of some Thieves who were planning to rob him. Seeking an alternative to a tavern brawl, Zlorf offered Ymor this deal: ''"I'll kill him, and then you can rob him."'' The conclusion of this deal was interrupted by the arrival of representatives from the [[Merchants' Guild]], which was less than a day old. All three parties then began fighting over Twoflower. Presumably, he survived, but at least one of his Assassins did not. Although a city-wide destructive fire breaks out soon afterwards, from which others count themselves lucky to escape...

Prior to entering the Drum, he and his Assassins neutralized guards placed by Ymor outside the Drum, and some others in a doorway across the street... but forgot to remove two bowmen on the roof. A ''classic'' example of over-confidence.

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This is an image of Assassins that TP has refined over the years, to the point where they are seen (at least by themselves) as refined gentlemen.

Conversely, we are also told that the Guild, in the '''''noblesse oblige''''' manner of the best public schools, offers a limited number of scholarships to poor and socially unconnected - but potentially very, very, talented - students. Witness [[Inigo Skimmer]] and "Professor" [[Cranberry]]. It is possible that Zlorf was such a scholarship pupil who advanced to the highest office?

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One of the four all-female houses at the [[Assassins' Guild]] school. The House Mistress is Madame les [[Deux-Epées]].

Informally nicknamed the ''Darners'', on the grounds that ''they'll all end up as Seamstresses some day.''

Formerly a boys' dormitory under the name ''Tarantula House'' until the Guild school went co-educational.

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The Black Widow is one of the deadliest poisonous spiders to be found on Roundworld. It must evidently have a Discworld analogue, as its use in this context does not seem to be accidental. Like all spiders, the Black Widow is larger and deadlier than the male, and once the male has ceased to be of use while alive, the female will not think twice before killing and devouring him. In fact, she may not even think once.

In general, in the British public school system of which the Discworld schools are a reflection, a house name is conferred as a sort of exemplar, which house members are expected to ponder the meaning and significance of and model themselves upon. It can be a person or quality or animal seen to have perceived virtues and graces which the pupils are expected to assimilate. Therefore Black Widow alumnae should be more than usually avoided?

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Hmmm. I'm not sure if ''isntended'' isntended to mean "is intended" or it isn't. One man's typo is another man's witticism. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 03:07, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
:@[[User talk:Old Dickens]] I kind of agree with you. It is "intended", not "isntended". They must mean, "is intended". I'm not 100 per cent sure though. -- [[User:DCool1|DCool1]] ([[User talk:DCool1|talk]]) 15:21, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for the spelling stuff, as you may know English is not my first language :) --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 00:51, 13 January 2007 (CET)

Hard to tell,usually, but we expect the average Dutchman to speak better English than the average Canadian (never mind Americans.) It occurred to me yesterday, though, that your English seems practically perfect on AF/BP, or here in the internal communication, but you make more mistakes in compositions. Seems odd, but maybe it's just familiarity with a style...--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 20:38, 13 January 2007 (CET)

I suppose that depends on whether killing Vorbis counts as smiting...--[[User:acgs1|acgs1]]

I would not edit it if it was not mentioned a Polish cuisine. I checked the only word which sounded similar (and describing similar concept) and I've checked its translation by wikipedia. In Polish cuisine I've never met other fat then pork fat as "Smalec" - especially that since recently (i.e. 20 c) chicken was considered rather expensive dish and it wasn't common meat. Either way the information was incorrect (as chicken fat is not the only one and at least in one cuisine from two mentioned not the most popular).

Yiddish origin of English makes little change as Yiddish was a language of Ashkenazi Jewish and originiated as some sort of mixture of Hebrew and German with addition of other languages. Probably thay trasfered the method of using the fat with the exception of pork for well-known religios issues. But [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmaltz wikipedia] is unclear on this issue (it was so german-sounding I haven't check on english wikipedia only checking the translation - which is my error).

According to my knowledge (I used to learn french and I haven't everything forget I hope) ''Laissez-faire'' means literary ''please let us do''. I have met it only in connection with economics and I've never met it in English in any other context. As it is english-language wiki it would imply this conection - however I'm far from being a native speaker so I prefered to ask for clarification. --[[User:uzytkownik|uzytkownik]]

== Pronouns ==

I thought "their" was the correct use when the person is unidentified. Or has political correctness been thrown out of the door and are we going back to "his" instead of "their"? --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 19:45, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Well, that's a toughie when The Author Himself avoids agreement of number at all costs. I don't think you could call it correct, but everybody's certainly doing it (like greengrocer's apostrophes.) We could make it an internal convention - one never knows, do they?

Is the same thing happening in Dutch? You must have had agreement of number, too. ("Your" didn't fit, anyway.}--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 21:08, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

There is a distinction in number, but considering that there are several houses in [[Empirical Crescent]], "their" seems justified. And yes, it'd be the same issue in Dutch. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 22:22, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

:Only, you weren't referring to several houses; the subjects were "everybody" and "someone", singular. Nope, you can get away with it because it's PC, or because all the kids are doing it, or (especially here) because Pterry does it, but you can't pretend it makes sense.--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 16:10, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

:Not only does Pterry do it, Shakespeare did it, Dickens did it, Austen did it, Thackeray did it. It's been extant in English as long as modern English has existed--[[User:Attercop|Attercop]] 07:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately true. The other day I heard a radio columnist refer first to "managers" (pl) as "he or she" before reverting to singular they for one "manager". Agreement of number is pretty much dead, but "one never knows, do they?" still sounds silly to me. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 13:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Help??!? ==

this is probably bleedin' obvious, but how do you quickly type the slash that you need to separate, for example, werewolves from werewolf, as you just did? i keep having to open another page and cut and paste it. duh indeed, but i just don't get it! sob! --[[User:Knmatt|Knmatt]] 22:06, 28 May 2007 (CEST)

It's a '''pipe''', (Shift-Backslash, just above Return, usually.) If you don't go back to DOS you may never have used it.--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:11, 28 May 2007 (CEST)

==Patrician==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havelock_Vetinari
Bibliography section, check it out. From Pratchett himself, it says that originally he was overweight, and then lost weight - i.e., Pratchett became a better writer himself.
:But that refers to earlier books (I provided the quote from {{S}}.) Even The Author seems to have softened his (untenable) position on the single-Patrician theory, anyway. (Remember : Pterry only invented the Discworld; we live there.)--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 16:47, 31 May 2007 (CEST)

== that was quick ==

you blocked the spammer just as i logged in to todo. :)
:You're up even earlier than I am on a Sunday morning? Get a life! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 14:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

== i.e. [[Piecemaker]] ==
Yeah, I meant that in physical size, it may or may not be larger, but it is a certainly more powerful firearm. [[Special:Contributions/64.231.240.44|64.231.240.44]] 03:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Featured Articles ==

Just a small question, are featured articlees good articles that deserve recognition (as on wikipedia) or are they bad articles of topics that could be good? Thanks for your time. :) --[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] 06:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Typically, they're fairly good articles on important topics that Sanity or someone thought should be bigger and better. Certainly the idea is to improve them, not praise them. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 15:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

== re: Polish Discworld wiki ==

Thanks for your answer. Personally I prefer the layout of the wiki, as here I know ho to edit etc.
Mayby you could tell me how to start a new one? I mean the Polish one. If of course it is not too complicated. Then step by step it could grow up.
[[User:NoychoH|noychoH]] 18:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

:You're asking the wrong person, here. I'm not any kind of software developer. This one was set up by our admin, [[User:Sanity|Sanity]]; [[User:Death|Death]] operates the German version (where he's known as Tod), and our sysop [[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] seems to be knowledgeable about the inner workings. Anyone can download the program from [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/pl MediaWiki], but configuring and providing the support is a job for a professional or a gifted and experienced amateur. I just fill in the pages. Go to the MediaWiki site and see if you feel capable. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 19:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==Career Change==

Thanks old man. Very good of you. And yes: it's an ''awful'' lot better than dealing with 'em at 6!

== They may think it's all over ==

I saw the dedication to the "stenographer" and thought immediatly of {{GO}} where Pterry states (to the effect, I can't remember the exact phrasing) "It's impossible to know what Neil contributed and what I contributed but it was mostly me sitting at the keyboard". The dedication meant for me the first tangible proof of Pterry's illness/embuggerance. Nevertheless the changes of pace and turnings of phrase is, in my mind, not a sharp difference in light of the development over twenty years of writing.

The major weakness of {{UA}}, in my mind, is the appearence of several characters that appears as ''Deus Ex Machina'', Lady Margolotta, Vetinari trusting Glenda Sugarbean because of her grandmother, puhleese. It's too neat.

:I don't think those are really ''dei ex machina''; the god(dess) is Pedestriana, and on Discworld this sort of thing isn't unusual. There really are gods who do affect events. It's more of a problem that she isn't developed much. She crashes in at the beginning and returns at the end but we're not sure why. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::By ''Deus ex Machina'' I meant the dramatic principle of concluding a drama by having an all-powerful character appear out of nowhere to settle all impasses. Normaly this implies weakness of the plot; ''Deus ex Machina'' is used as a deragotory term towards the author. There are indeed gods but I wasn't referring to any of those.
::On totally different note, it's been more than twenty years since I had English in school; I feel my grammar and spelling is slipping badly --[[User:Iron Hippo|Iron Hippo]] 18:22, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

:My point. That's what it means but those characters don't do that, Pedestriana does. The English is pretty good though, apart from some some spelling which isn't worse than many others. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 19:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll develop my thoughts on football (soccer as merkins call it) in comparison to merkin sports but I need to think it through a bit more. In the meantime merkins: Do read Nick Hornby: Fever Pitch --[[User:Iron Hippo|Iron Hippo]] 01:30, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:Agreed about Glenda Sugarbean. But I liked Unseen Academicals, for the most part, although I did notice some slight differences between it and prior books. Most noticeably: slight character changes and heavy reference to previous books.

:But Death does actually appear... "Death stood by the well-scrubbed slab and looked down. MISTER NUTT? WELL, THIS IS A SURPRISE, said Death, reaching into his robe. LET ME SEE WHAT I HAVE HERE.." He goes on to say that Mr. Nutt will have an interesting life. [[User:TC01|TC01]] 01:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

::Someone wants to correct the recent edit to [[Death]]. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== May I ask something? ==

I am a rabid Pratchett fan, have read all the books so many times that I'm on my second copy of most of them, etc, etc. you probably hear this a lot in any case. Is there any way to get in touch with one of the mods/site administrators? [[User:Doctor Whiteface|Doctor Whiteface]] 21:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
:The Administrator is [[User:Sanity|Sanity]]. He gives his e-mail address at the top of the page. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:05, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
::Many thanks. [[User:Doctor Whiteface|Doctor Whiteface]] 23:11, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Current revision as of 00:06, 30 November 2009 ==

you misunderstand - I have no sense of humor in the context of jokes, puns, et cetera, in real life. that is to say, I couldn't tell a good joke to save my life. Jokes that can get a round of roaring laughter from any other mouth fall flat when I say them. I in fact possess the approximate joke-telling ability of Mustrum Ridcully on a bad day. That doesn't mean that I can't appreciate Pratchett's humor, wit, and dead-on insights into the core of life around the world. [[User:Doctor Whiteface|Doctor Whiteface]] 00:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
:Then I suggest you misstated. You mean you have no talent as a comic. Perhaps even Pterry couldn't make it as a joculator. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
::point well taken. However, I stick by my previous statement. I have no sense of humor. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate it.

Oh, and as a different note, I have a slight change that could be made to the fandom page: I've created a Pratchett Fanon wikia at http://pterryfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Discworld_Fanon_Wiki in case anyone wants to add their fanon to it. I also direct them to the Lspace wiki main page for a decent Pratchett wiki instead of the half-assed Wikia version. Think you could add my fledgeling fanon Wikia to the Fandom page? [[User:Doctor Whiteface|Doctor Whiteface]] 01:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
:I'm pretty confused as to whether it's a fanfic collection or a wiki or what, but you could list it in "Fandom" yourself (maybe including a one-line explanation). --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== Death caption ==

An easier way to do what? The caption was properly specified in the previous version. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 22:15, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:...to caption something without creating the white spaces, or generally put text where you want it without a lot of experimental colons? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

::are you wanting to caption something other then an image? --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 00:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:Mostly it's to avoid the white borders ([[User:JaffaCakeLover|JaffaCakeLover]] was just suggesting a solution available only to Sanity but I wouldn't be able to judge that - there might be a down side). Some other idea might require placing a block of text to the right, just for interesting composition. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:: Oh, hold on. I may be able to fix that depending on the theme's security. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 07:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

::: Nope, not something I can fix. The issue is with a CSS rule in the "/skins/lspace/main.css?207" file. The border rules need to be removed from div.thumb on line 443. Typically, you can override these rules via special pages within the wiki. However, the lspace skin doesn't respect these overrides. Therefore, Sanity would have to update the CSS file or update the skin to properly respect the overrides. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 07:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:Bugger. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 03:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

::We'll see. I sent the info onto Sanity. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 16:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it's now fixed. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 01:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

And all the rest at the same time: nifty! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Power Cables ==

OK, so there could be also be a Power Cable, Alberta, a Power Cable, New South Wales or even an Elektriese Kabel in the Transvaal... but they'd still only get one page.

I will delete the lesser of the two. --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 20:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Why not add your second paragraph? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== careers ==

To be more specific, I spent seven years developing web applications based upon the ColdFusion language ( think PHP, .net or java but cooler ). Next month I'm moving over to become an Oracle DBA. All this at a Dow component company. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 03:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== About TC01 ==

Well, from what I've read of AgProv's and IronHippo's biographies, I think I could agree that I'm the youngest of the sysops/admins mentioned- not sure about other contributors with usernames or unregistered, of course. The Tiffany Aching series are written for people younger than me, though.

I spell, or rather type, words like an American, which is almost certaintly because I am one. The only possible exception to that might be when I type out {{COM}}, but I usually don't because I let the <nowiki>{{COM}}</nowiki> template do it for me.

I suppose I'll also mention that I do most of my reading these days on an Amazon Kindle, which is not actually that different from reading a real book (other than the inability to open it up to a random page and start reading). There are a few Pratchett books which I have only on the Kindle- which makes it handy when searching them for some obscure red link on the book articles.

And that's all I'm saying for now... Other than the fact that I reply to people on their talk pages rather than their user pages, unlike some people. [[User:TC01|TC01]] 22:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC) [[User:TC01|TC01]] 22:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== [[Photographer]] ==

You reverted my edit to that page, where I explained Pratchett's joke (his definition of ''photus'' is clearly derived from the true meaning of the acronym POTUS). Where do you think I should have put the annotation instead? [[User:WLior|WLior]] 07:21, 1 September 2010 (CEST)

== Warning - British travel termini are bad for your financial health ==
We should have warned you.

It seems to be a universal thing about travelling in Britain that the moment you step into the precincts of an airport, a railway station, or even a large coach interchange (Victoria Coach Station in London, or Chorlton Street in Manchester), the prices you pay for sundry items go through the roof. It's as if the very act of stepping in through the front door causes the prices of even the most trivial items to soar by 25-40% or more, where they can get away with it. You are entering a parellel universe or a time portal where, given the usual operation of inflation, the world around you may be that of 2010 but you are being given a chance to experience a very specific aspect of the future - ie, what you might expect to be paying for goods and services in 2030.

A small bottle of coke which might cost 90p outside in the real world suddenly becomes £1.35; a packet of cigarettes which you might expect to get for £5.35 suddenly costs £6.80 (this was at the tobacconists' concession in WH Smiths at Manchester Picadilly - let's name the guilty party here!)and coffee at Tarbucks or Necros adds another 70p to the cost of a cup, or more... and as for buying food...

The sensible answer is - ''if going on a long journey by public transport in Britain, buy it before getting on the train or coach and get it from outside the station.''

The seasoned traveller will know where to look within a block or two of the station complex, and a service industry exists to fill this void. For instance, there is a very good and very cheap cafe just opposite Norwich Station, which capitalises on the obscene prices charged within the rail station, by serving great food very cheaply. There are quite a few around Picadilly and Chorlton Street stations in Manchester. No doubt the London stations have their satellites - there's said to be a great cheap cafe just behind Euston station that makes a bomb through the novel and revolutionary act of selling good food cheaply.

Nobody knows why this should be in Britain.

Arriving in Berlin, we found a very cheap eatery and cafe within the precincts of Tegel airport. This was not unique. comparing the euro price to what Manchester airport expected us to pay for a cappucino and a cake - it was nearly half as expensive.

Oh, and duty-free at British airports is hardly worth the while, as so much profit margin is loaded on the items that you are efectively paying the store owners what you would in tax, anyway. But at German airports...

Methinks we are being riped off, but at least you have a copy of {{ISWM}}.

Enjoy!--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 10:40, 11 October 2010 (CEST)

== A word please ==

You and AgProv were here before that <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[template:welcome|welcome]]}} was created. So was BOZZ but he hadn't had yet any talkpage messages, his talkpage had yet to be created, so I thought I,d do something about that. If he already had talkpage messages, I would have not welcomed him. Please excuse me if I had a mistake. [[user:Myrtone|Myr]][[User talk:Myrtone|'''tone''']][[special:emailuser/Myrtone|@]] 00:12, 25 December 2010 (CET)

These things happen. Don't worry! I'm glad somebody's consistently doing the meeting-and-greeting, anyway. AgProv, writing as --[[Special:Contributions/86.179.84.80|86.179.84.80]] 22:52, 10 January 2011 (CET)
Did you forget to login? [[user:Myrtone|Myr]][[User talk:Myrtone|'''tone''']][[special:emailuser/Myrtone|@]] 00:18, 11 January 2011 (CET)
Alas, yes. A bit of computer bother means I'm having to continually delete the internet cache and cookies, (virus-slaying) including the one that preserves my logon info for this site... --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 23:59, 13 January 2011 (CET)

== History ==

*''As far as I can recall, you were the first British member here, after a number of continental, American, Australian and Canadian contributors (Shadeofblue was here long before but never contributed anything). How do you suppose that came down? --Old Dickens 03:55, 11 April 2011 (CEST)''

Sounds like an accusation...Thinking back... I discovered the Wiki as part of a general exploration of the L-Space Web and I thought "I can do things here". My first two or three entries weren't strictly within the rules - I opened general articles on Douglas Adams and Michael Moorcock as authors who either influenced Pratchett or were spoofed by him in the first few books, only to be gently reminded this sort of thing really belonged under "Reading Suggestions". As I was very heavily influenced by mr Beobaart and Mr Kew in the Annotated Pratchett File, and was a bit frustrated they didn't seem to be in a position to accept updated entries. So my ideas as to all those sly nudges and digs and references in the books had to go somewhere! Then I discovered that 50% of the time, the entry to go with the annotation hadn't yet been written, so - ah well - roll your sleeves up and craft it...

I do wonder why so many contributors here are people to whom English is not a first language - although some of them, I suspect, speak it better than I do. Better than my French or Dutch/Afrikaans or German, I think! Perhaps it's that urge, fairly indefiniable but an urge nonetheless, to get past the necessary restrictions of reading a book in translation, and to get to grips with it in the original language? (I'm reliably told there have been at least four Dutch translators of Pratchett, for instance, who range from "excellent" to "appalling".) This is a big thing on the French VadeMecum site, although readers of Pratchett in French whose English is also good enough to tackle the originals do tend to speak well of their translator. And English humour, the quirkier the better, does seem to travel well... (look at the way Monty Python and its descendents are a cult thing in the USA)

As well as annotations, for me, there's also an urge to mention all those little leaps of logic that connect otherwise unrelated facts mentioned in different books - inferring that because Lady Sybil and Serafine von Überwald went to the same school {{T5E}}, and Lady Sybil's school, named in {{T!}} as [[Quirm College for Young Ladies|QAYL]], therefore Serafine must also have attended QAYL. (Which leads to ''speculation'' - as opposed to known fact - that Angua may also have attended QAYL.)

Getting the entries as accurate and as complete as possible gets to be a bug after a while...
--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 10:18, 11 April 2011 (CEST)

:What accusation? The question was why there didn't seem to be any British input before you came along, Britain obviously being the home of the books and the most fan activity. (Daibhid C was also a faqmaintainer early on but we never got any of his considerable insight, either.)

:The amazing ability of a series so strongly based in British folklore, history and humor to sell in many foreign languages is another interesting topic, though. P.G. Wodehouse and Monty Python did manage to penetrate the U.S., but I don't think they required the background Pratchett does (and I'm not sure Wodehouse would play in Power Cable any more.) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 16:32, 11 April 2011 (CEST)

Heh... should have said "sounds ''almost'' like an accusation... ("you are accused of being British with malice aforethought and lurking in a built-up area of the Internet after the hours of darkness, with intent to perpetuate a Wiki...")

I suspect, to build on a thought, that we English-fluent native Brits have it too easy, and do not appreciate the treasure we have in Pratchett. This only becomes beautifully clear to those who have learnt English the hard way as a second language, or who have to assemble the necessary mental tool-kit to approach the intricacies of British English language and custom. Who is it who said a prophet is never honoured in his own country?--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 17:12, 11 April 2011 (CEST)

:Jesus of Nazareth, I believe, but Sir T.P. OBE doesn't seem to suffer that way. Possibly it's just that English people already had a number of fan activities and we foreigners were more excited to have access to one. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 18:35, 11 April 2011 (CEST)

Jesus seems to been right about himself though there... -Marmosetpower

== On Vandalism ==

I don't know if this is the right place to suggest it, but maybe you should close down the registration for a while, fix things and put all articles under protection. That spammer seems to be a bot/malware cause thing, seeing the multiple IP-Addresses.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 19:34, 13 April 2011 (CEST)
:Mmm. I'm only a lieutenant, though, no keys to the missiles. Thanks for pitching in. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:13, 15 April 2011 (CEST)

It kept me busy for an hour before bedtime. I'm guessing that once O.D. recognised how deep it actually went, it took a few hours of his life that he's never going to get back.So maybe we need to ask Sanity how to install deeper protection? --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 13:03, 14 April 2011 (CEST)
:About four hours, but then what else do I do of an evening? There wasn't even a ball game until too late. I know you've killed longer evenings writing stuff. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:13, 15 April 2011 (CEST)... Apr. 30, now, was a full day. Oy. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 06:20, 1 May 2011 (CEST)
:I sent him an email last night --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 20:22, 14 April 2011 (CEST)
::So did I. He's investigating, but I don't know what could be done apart from general protection and that's never been popular. You only need the roof fixed when it's raining. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:13, 15 April 2011 (CEST)
:::Not to be negative, but this rain could easily be washing away the foundation--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 19:09, 15 April 2011 (CEST)

Well done Dickens old man. You're fighting a valiant vanguard action! Good egg.--[[User:Knmatt|Knmatt]] 21:59, 30 April 2011 (CEST)
:Funny, I thought I replied to that before (saying I thought it was ''rearguard''), but it's not here. I was busy. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 02:19, 1 May 2011 (CEST)
::As you are leading the way in this fight against these A-holes, you're certainly in the van. I salute your endeavours!--[[User:Knmatt|Knmatt]] 11:07, 1 May 2011 (CEST)

Ref apparent new attack of bots - not what it seems. Hi. I went into the Special: New Pages list to look back through all recent changes that were highlighted in yellow - ie, unpatrolled by a sysops - and patrolled them all (twenty or so entries). Three of them appeared to be hangovers from the recent spamming problem that had been overlooked, although I discovered the perpetrating bots had all been blocked. So this is historic stuff - it's certainly not a resurgence of the old problem! --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 02:49, 8 May 2011 (CEST)
:Not new, obviously;, I just wondered how they were missed, but there were likely to be some oversights out of hundreds. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 03:09, 8 May 2011 (CEST)

== Quotes ==

Yeah, I think [[User:XEverettBlaked|XEverettBlaked]], [[User:NLoreenPetersm|NLoreenPetersm]] and [[User:AOscarEricksonw|AOscarEricksonw]] are spambots. They all seem to be going on about dating (hard to tell with AOscar, seems to be using a different language) and all fail at using spaces.

Also, I've suggested using the idea of [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum#Quotes|using quotes]] at the start of articles. I'd appreciate it if you commented, because otherwise I'm not sure anyone will comment. – [[User:Harry Blue5|Harry Blue5]] <small>([[User talk:Harry Blue5|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Harry Blue5|contribs]])</small> 11:43, 19 August 2011 (CEST)

:taken care of until the next batch comes in. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 19:33, 19 August 2011 (CEST)

==Very belated reply to your question==
So you may remember you asked me a question five years ago, at which point I promptly forgot the wiki existed...

Anyway, while I may have an ability to remember odd Discworld facts (I'd hesitate to call myself an "expert"), one look at my name should tell you never to trust me on spelling 8-). A flick through ''Equal Rites'' and ''Moving Pictures'' confirms that everyone else has it right: ''Necrotelicomnicon'' it is, making the pun a bit subtler than I thought. [[User:Daibhid C|Daibhid C]] 00:32, 21 August 2011 (CEST)

:Er, I've just read the [[Necrotelicomnicon]] talk page, and learnt a) Terry spells it inconsistantly and b) I've already weighed in on this. I swear, when it comes to things ''other'' than trivia from the books I've a memory like ... one of them things you drain rice in... [[User:Daibhid C|Daibhid C]] 00:45, 21 August 2011 (CEST)

Long time no see, indeed. It seems to me you're considered an expert around AFP, which is a distinguished panel of judges (beside a few jerks, of course). Coincidentally, I mentioned you recently in discussion as one of the few British originals here and for not hanging around afterward. I think we established ''Necrotelicomnicon'' as the correct spelling, despite a typo or a bit of TP trying to confuse us again. Don't talk to me about memory loss: I'm a lot older than you.
--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:50, 21 August 2011 (CEST)

== Game namespace ==

I've noticed there's a book and game namespace, but none of the games (e.g. ''[[Discworld Noir]]'') are actually in the Game namespace. Are the games supposed to be in that namespace and no one's gotten round to moving them, or is it that there needs to be more discussion about whether to use it? – [[User:Harry Blue5|Harry Blue5]] <small>([[User talk:Harry Blue5|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Harry Blue5|contribs]])</small> 02:03, 3 October 2011 (CEST)
:I'd never noticed there was such a namespace. There may not be enough games to justify it, but obviously it's an option. I guess discussion is what's needed. (You ask a lot: I was still mulling capitalisation of book titles.) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 02:35, 3 October 2011 (CEST)

== Carrot ==

I'm confused by your comment on Carrot. Either he is a fully rounded character or he is a cliche. He could be a parody on a fighter or a dwarf or something. But if he is, what kind of parody is he? [[User:Marmosetpower|Marmosetpower]] 15:09, 18 December 2011 (CET)
:Several things, as usual: Superman, Dudley Do-Right and all the too-good-to-be-true cartoon heroes as well as the rustic lad with an old sword who turns out to be the 'once and future king'. These are typically stiff, two-dimensional characters, often played as a bit (or very) dim. TP melts them down into a very tall Dwarf who starts out over-zealous and ingenuous and develops into the clever and capable Captain who knows everybody and everything that's going on while maintaining the outward persona. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 15:55, 18 December 2011 (CET)

If he is a parody of so much, is he still a parody though? I can't help feeling that this 'once and future king' stuff is a backstory, rather than a characteristic. If he did show a characteristic it would be denial of his 'once and future King' status. Being a King is not a character trait in itself. [[User:Marmosetpower|Marmosetpower]] 16:23, 20 December 2011 (CET)

== Threshold of evidence ==

Although I never posted to ABP, I used to read it a bit. I know "speculation" is a scary thing, because while The Man himself tolerates and encourages fandom, fans who inadvertently post one of His nascent ideas might cause the waveform to collapse in an entirely different direction while pissing Him off a bit at the same time. I also see that random unsupported annotations of the type "hey, Granny's hat is just like the one my aunt gave me for my 10th birthday, my aunt is from England, that's gotta be an obvious reference" shouldn't be tolerated.

Nevertheless, where does this wiki draw the line in terms of thoughts and annotations? Do you want textual references and footnotes? I do see lots of ideas in some articles which are, well, reaching. How far can we or should we reach?

Understand that I am taking no position here. I just want to know the rules, which I will attempt to follow faithfully. [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] 19:41, 23 December 2011 (CET)
:Ah. Rules! Well, erm...I mean, uh, we don't actually seem to have any ''rules'', as such (except against spam; we're definitely down on spam, but it doesn't stop the spammers either). Now I thought of the wiki as an encyclopedia with a pretty relaxed attitude but no room for unsupported opinions, whether called "annotations" or not; most people seem to like annotations better than anything. It seems to me that there's a fair consensus against annotation, speculation or fantasy in the body of the articles. At the same time, though, I've tried a couple of times to stir up opposition to the most outrageous blather and self-gratification (see pages of discussion in the Mended Drum and elsewhere) but most of us seem to hate ''rules'' more. I don't know, can you suggest some?

:TP doesn't come into it of course. He won't be reading this as he avoids all other such sites; no one ever objected to speculation in discussion pages or user pages. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:13, 24 December 2011 (CET)

== The great spam flood of 2012 ==

Have you spoken with Sanity lately? He hardly ever responds to my emails. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 16:01, 8 February 2012 (CET)
:No, not since he put in the sign-up restriction after the last flood. I was wondering if I might suggest the site-specific test but I don't know if it's reasonable or possible. Have you any suggestions? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 23:55, 8 February 2012 (CET)

:: There's nothing you or I can do without access to the server and code. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 19:27, 9 February 2012 (CET)

::: Sadly. But may I suggest that new accounts have to be enabled by mods/admins to make new pages/edits. I tihnk that should be possible.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 20:07, 9 February 2012 (CET)

: Unfortunately, that's something that needs to be done by Sanity. Old Dickens and I don't have access to modify that. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 22:36, 9 February 2012 (CET)

:: Damn. I hope one of you reaches him soon. This is getting ridiculous.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 02:47, 10 February 2012 (CET)

Someone's been upgrading stuff, did you get ahold of Sanity? --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 16:18, 13 February 2012 (CET)
:Yea, he updated the wiki, ConfirmEdit and Bad Behavior and is looking into QuestyCaptcha or similar. I see it didn't stop them today. The Java buttons are gone from the edit panel, too. (four tildes) [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 23:33, 13 February 2012 (CET) ...and the categories now come with bullets! [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 23:38, 13 February 2012 (CET)

::He's still got some style fixes to make. Like the checkbox labels.--[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 03:04, 14 February 2012 (CET)

::And today's attempts were different. It really looked more like a person. Some things were inconsistent. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 03:04, 14 February 2012 (CET)

:::I'm starting to get rather pissed at our absentee owner. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 17:49, 28 February 2012 (CET)
:It's tiresome, especially if you're supposed to be working, I guess. I have no web access at work any more, so I'm no use weekdays. Sanity is suffering with Real Life too, unfortunately. Whaddya gonna do? I sent him a complaining email. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:19, 29 February 2012 (CET)

:Folks, we just had an attack on the MainPage. Undid it, but someone still needs to ban that bloke. On a further note: As nice as it is to see Discworld related questions for verification...'What is the first name of Sam Vimes' is not really going to do the trick...[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 07:56, 16 March 2012 (CET)
We noticed. Sanity managed to fix it quicker than he thought he could, but of course it wasn't like the average spammer who could be blocked. The question could probably be a little tougher, but the the thing is that it's a program written to circumvent arithmetic and character-recognition captchas, so it's confused by any other challenge to artificial intelligence. (The humanoids behind it don't even speak English, very often, but they're not looking anyway.) It seems to be working so far. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 20:43, 16 March 2012 (CET)...Oh, you meant the other Turk: Fhh98 got that. What is it with Turks lately? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 20:49, 16 March 2012 (CET)
::Also not every user has actually read Discworld novels. If the question is to hard then real users might be scared off. Besides any spammers now have to register manually which would be a pain. --[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] 04:56, 17 March 2012 (CET)
I'm not sure we want input from anyone who couldn't come up with, say, ''Commander'' Vimes's given name. "Every user" is free to read but I'd prefer some minimum qualification to edit. Anyway, yes, the point is to baffle the program. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 05:33, 17 March 2012 (CET)
:What about in a case like [http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Talk:Reverse_Annotations#Cartoons.3F this], the person hasn't ever read discworld but offered some helpfull advice. Besides there are people out there who might only have read the Diggers books or Nation for example.

Perhaps what Sanity was thinking, and a good point, but it does ease the way for manual spammers and vandals. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 14:50, 17 March 2012 (CET)
:Well it seems to be working.--[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] 05:50, 18 March 2012 (CET)

As of tonight there are six very suspicious new names in red, that look as if they've been created by spambots. None of posted yet. But bearing in mind that most genuine new members of the Wiki community are only too keen to get stuck in straight away doing legitimate things, and these new names have been up for hours with no movement, would we be justified in delivering pre-emptive blocks? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 22:25, 29 June 2012 (CEST)
Just pre-emptively struck at a bunch of suspicious new usernames and blocked the lot. I'm working on intuition and experience - people with usernames consisting of random letters and numbers are not likely to be people at all but bots. [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 23:36, 29 June 2012 (CEST)

Or maybe even somebody called Vintagegown, which kind of suggests somebody's read this note and thought creatively. This could go one of two ways - maybe spamming a site for vintage clothing? Or she (?) might even be genuine, in which case - make a valid new entry and welcome! [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 00:13, 30 June 2012 (CEST)
:I waver between waiting for them to do something and blocking for 3 days or so as "unacceptable username": feel-of-the-moment thing. Fhh98's note to the Mexican pharmaceutical people didn't work for long. I see. See also the clever-dick TeddyAv. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:02, 30 June 2012 (CEST) (Oh yeah. The other thing is that I'm pretty sure they're not reading anything in their discussion pages.) [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:17, 30 June 2012 (CEST)

==(Here begins a new administration)==
You should be able to delete users now by going to the users page and selecting the Delete tab from the dropdown in the upper right. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:24, 5 November 2012 (PST)
:Kowabunga! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:29, 5 November 2012 (PST)...but I can't: I don't see the dropdown either in the '''User''''s page or in the '''User list'''. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:48, 5 November 2012 (PST)
::Try Again. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 19:05, 5 November 2012 (PST)
:::Aha. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:40, 6 November 2012 (PST)

== Interesting event ==

WikiShaper334 - I can't fathom this one out either.... on the face of it a legitimate entry, which is why the user remains, for now, unmerged. But the entry itself is fairly banal and unoriginal; the sort of thing that can be quickly deduced from a skimming of the rest of the article. The thought has occured to me that this could be a new tactic from somebody behind the spambots, to establish a legitimate presence here that will enable them to launch new spam attacks through the opening. Or am I being paranoid? I did a bit of Googling and a''traffic shaper'' is apparently a person, or automated software, seeking to order traffic onto a website so as to manipulate data - one use is to bump preferred links up a search engine. "Link-shaping" or "link-blogging" specifically targets blogs and Wikis so as to insert links that push favoured sites up a search engine listing. And adding a number after the name.... could be coincidence. But how can we prove or rule this out for certain? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 20:01, 3 February 2013 (GMT)
:Of course we can't, just now. It's hard to believe an SEO parasite keen enough to go through that, but also hard to believe the username. Either we'll delete him when he gets down to business or he'll fade away. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 20:31, 3 February 2013 (GMT)

00:14 GMT. Is it me, or have we had no spammers since 17:21 - nearly nine hours ago. I don't like it, sergeant. It's far too quiet. They're up to something out there...[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 00:16, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
:They will come in bunches, but then Osiris could be tinkering... --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:21, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
::(The next one arrived two hours later. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:07, 4 February 2013 (GMT))
:::I'm tinkering.... I put in a blacklist of words and phrases. For example, try to make an edit using that Justin guy's last name and you'll see it's not allowed. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:16, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
::::Is there a way to make it so that known users can use the blacklisted words/know what they are?--[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm|talk]]) 06:01, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
:::::when you hit one it tells you what it was. It's based upon this example though. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSpamRegex $wgSpamRegex]

==Re: Johnny Maxwell==
Oh, sorry. Should I get rid of it? [[User:Drakon467|Drakon467]] ([[User talk:Drakon467|talk]]) 16:57, 13 May 2013 (GMT)
:I did already. Twice, actually. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2013 (GMT)
I've replaced it with a less guesswork-dependant one. Is it okay this time? [[User:Drakon467|Drakon467]] ([[User talk:Drakon467|talk]]) 18:39, 2 July 2013 (GMT)

Thanks. Rest assured, Yo-less definitely did say it. Of course, this being a Terry Pratchett book, it lost under accusations of Satanism and how Yo-less's mother wouldn't approve. [[User:Drakon467|Drakon467]] ([[User talk:Drakon467|talk]]) 05:37, 3 July 2013 (GMT)

==Junk page==

Apologies if there is a better place for this, but this seems a bit out of place. [[Girls Dont Abide By The Rules]]. I did try blanking it, but alas I can't make it disappear. [[User:Aldibibable|Aldibibable]] ([[User talk:Aldibibable|talk]]) 22:53, 31 May 2013 (GMT)

== Create page permissions ==
There seems to be an issue with permissions regarding creating pages as I don't seem to have that option today. Yesterday I had the option but not today. Is there an issue with permissions? Is it just me being a newbie here or are there times when things work only when they feel like it? It seems quite sporadic and most peculiar. --{{User:CelticWanderer/autosig}} 22:48, 8 June 2013 (GMT)
:I've also had trouble with permissions for the last few days, as I mentioned in the [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum#I'm locked out!|Mended Drum]]. Have you tried going back and trying again? I've found that the error messages aren't necessarily final. Otherwise you'd have to ask the [[User talk:Osiris|man behind the curtain]]. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:28, 8 June 2013 (GMT)
::I noticed your comment the other day. Yes, I have tried several times but with no luck. When trying to create an additional user subpage I get the generic response: <pre>There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page.</pre>
::Yesterday, it didn't say this. When trying to create a page in the main namespace there's no create page tab and I get the generic search response when there are no results: <pre>There were no results matching the query.</pre>
::A curious case that I hope is resolved soon. Out of curiosity what roles do the different admins serve on this site just so I know for future reference? --{{User:CelticWanderer/autosig}} 23:44, 8 June 2013 (GMT)
:[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] is the owner/operator, I'm the ''Editor Quia Nemo Vult'' (housekeeper?) and [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] has been the major content provider for many years. (Also, your sig really fills up the edit box!) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:56, 9 June 2013 (GMT)
::Ok, thanks. I was curious as you are shown as the creator in the active user list. Regarding the signature, methinks that is a hint to change it. I actually still need to create another sig page for transclusion that should fix this but I still can't create new pages. If it doesn't work when the permissions are fixed I will change the signature if you prefer. --{{User:CelticWanderer/autosig}} 08:34, 9 June 2013 (GMT)
:::[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] changed the permissions for me so now everything seems to be working at the moment. Also, I have changed my signature, takes up less much space in the editor and made it less distracting. --{{User:CelticWanderer/sig}} 21:58, 9 June 2013 (GMT)

==Mass Deletions - a double-edged sword==
There's got to be a better way... I'm ashamed to say while I've deleted a thousand spam accounts, two legitimate users have been deleted in error too, in the last week. And in the last month three thousand spam accounts have been created and are yet to be dealt with. That error rate is just too high (I've left fulsome apologies where I hope they'll be seen. Wish I had their email addresses so I could apologise in person. are these stored anywhere?) While I've cleared out all the spam accounts beginning with "A" and a good few of the "B"'s - as well as routine demolition of new ones as they pop up - I'm now hideously aware that mistakes will inevitably happen and I do not want to make any more. So tonight I've just identified a few known legitimate users who still have to make an entry on their user pages and left temporary messages there, so they show up blue in the user list and are less likely to be deleted in error. but there has to be a better way around this. Otherwise I'd keep on zapping through the B's...
:It ain't that bad, really. [[User:Sharlee|Sharlee]] figured it out immediately; if [[User:Aldibibable|Aldibibable]] is also on Wikipedia he(?) is probably capable too. Generally, though, I'd rather prod [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] (after a decent interval to recover from his shock) to execute his script to remove all the dormant accounts at computer speed. A problem with your valiant efforts at doing it manually is that the rest of us (especially me) can't see what else has happened in "Recent changes", even at 500 lines. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:37, 22 June 2013 (GMT)

== List of Characters ==

Not done, just for the day. Can change back if need be, have saved original on my computer. [[User:Rictus|Rictus]]

==Finally...==
Enjoy! I'll try not to post too many jaw-dropping spoilers.[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 23:10, 14 November 2013 (GMT)

== User: Netterku, possible spammer ==

Please check out User:Netterku, as I suspect he may be a spammer who has got through the net. Inept, as it's in Indonesian, which I speak as fluently as Vimes speaks Dwarfish (in fact, Vimes is native fluent compared to me). But interesting, in that the spamming sems to be arranged differently and not to the old well-known pattern. If you agree, and the user has not responded to my yellow card warning, shall we block? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 08:26, 25 November 2013 (GMT)
:No need for discussion: I did. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 22:41, 25 November 2013 (GMT)

== User:AgustinSnider‎; ==

[[User:AgustinSnider]]‎;Spambot? Noted this user made an account on 31st August but has only "introduced themself" now. The wording of the introduction is also horribly familiar, although the declared location checks out. But no actual spam, as yet? Shall I delete, or will you? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 10:11, 6 December 2013 (GMT)
:Yes, I seemed to remember the "Agustin" and the mismatched name and poor spelling are depressingly familiar, but I don't see actual grounds for merging. Inquire, if you like, but it can wait for an actual offence. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:42, 6 December 2013 (GMT)
::offense committed. Goodbye! --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 04:00, 9 December 2013 (GMT)
:::Good shot,sir! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:39, 10 December 2013 (GMT)

== Mine's a Boy ==

Congratulations to you and your family. Mine's a boy and he's coming today! Don't expect to see me much for a while. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 12:14, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
:Good on ya, mate (or more so the wife)! No, you'll be busy for a few years as I recall. I hope we can raise you in an emergency. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 13:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== BS, regarding your userpage post... ==
Old Dickens, thanks for the Independence Day wishes from this American. I'm hoping that recent developments in GB remind American rationalists not to take anything for granted re the man with Orange Hair.

On that note, a few days ago Rhianna Pratchett retweeted someone's suggestion to her that henceforth, in honor of Terry, Boris Johnson shall be known as "Bloody Stupid" Johnson. -- [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 22:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hee Hee. I should have thought of that one myself. Good luck in November; we're at least as interested as the Mexicans here in the Great White North. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:43, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Reply from new user Wonderful Fanny ==
Thank you, Old Dickens. I will learn to avoid becoming historical. I do not see how to remove a page, but Ramkin House may be deleted. Before adding the page, I did look for Ramkin House under the Locations page listed in the Navigation bar to the left, but I didn't see it there. I now know that this is not the same page as your footer category link Locations, where Ramkin Residence is clearly listed, and which I found much easier to use. The two different locations pages are confusing. Anyway, I have added a few points to Ramkin Residence, as you suggested. I also edited the {{SN}} section on ACCOoDD, to clarify.

== Article on The Keep? ==
Hey, Old Dickens... hope you and Canada are doing well. I just reread (okay, re-listened-to) Monstrous Regiment, and I don’t see an article on The Keep in here. I’m ready to write something up, but first I want to be sure I’m not missing the article under a different title; and also to ask your opinion on what the title of that article should be. “The Keep”? “The Borogravian Keep”? “Keep”? Thanks! [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 13:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:I see no article or even link to the Keep. An officer refers to it at one point as "Kneck Keep", which sounds useful although a redirect or two would be wanted in any case. A problem with audio books is bookmarking or searching or generally finding anything in particular. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

== Hello! ==

Hello. I'm here for anti-vandalism work. Do you have the ability to make me an admin here? I'm pretty sure that you have bureaucrat privelleges. My main goal around here is to ensure that this wiki is what it should be, a user-made encyclopedia, and not a playground for vandals. -- [[User:DCool1|DCool1]] ([[User talk:DCool1|talk]]) 15:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)