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User talk:Old Dickens

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Osiris: /* Haven't seen so much SEO for years! */

'''For discussion from the previous era, see''' [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:User talk:Old Dickens/Archive 1]]

==(Here begins a new administration)==
You should be able to delete users now by going to the users page and selecting the Delete tab from the dropdown in the upper right. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:24, 5 November 2012 (PST)
:Kowabunga! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:29, 5 November 2012 (PST)...but I can't: I don't see the dropdown either in the '''User''''s page or in the '''User list'''. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:48, 5 November 2012 (PST)
::Try Again. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 19:05, 5 November 2012 (PST)
:::Aha. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:40, 6 November 2012 (PST)

== Interesting event ==

WikiShaper334 - I can't fathom this one out either.... on the face of it a legitimate entry, which is why the user remains, for now, unmerged. But the entry itself is fairly banal and unoriginal; the sort of thing that can be quickly deduced from a skimming of the rest of the article. The thought has occured to me that this could be a new tactic from somebody behind the spambots, to establish a legitimate presence here that will enable them to launch new spam attacks through the opening. Or am I being paranoid? I did a bit of Googling and a''traffic shaper'' is apparently a person, or automated software, seeking to order traffic onto a website so as to manipulate data - one use is to bump preferred links up a search engine. "Link-shaping" or "link-blogging" specifically targets blogs and Wikis so as to insert links that push favoured sites up a search engine listing. And adding a number after the name.... could be coincidence. But how can we prove or rule this out for certain? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 20:01, 3 February 2013 (GMT)
:Of course we can't, just now. It's hard to believe an SEO parasite keen enough to go through that, but also hard to believe the username. Either we'll delete him when he gets down to business or he'll fade away. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 20:31, 3 February 2013 (GMT)

00:14 GMT. Is it me, or have we had no spammers since 17:21 - nearly nine hours ago. I don't like it, sergeant. It's far too quiet. They're up to something out there...[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 00:16, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
:They will come in bunches, but then Osiris could be tinkering... --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:21, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
::(The next one arrived two hours later. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:07, 4 February 2013 (GMT))
:::I'm tinkering.... I put in a blacklist of words and phrases. For example, try to make an edit using that Justin guy's last name and you'll see it's not allowed. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:16, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
::::Is there a way to make it so that known users can use the blacklisted words/know what they are?--[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm|talk]]) 06:01, 4 February 2013 (GMT)
:::::when you hit one it tells you what it was. It's based upon this example though. [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSpamRegex $wgSpamRegex]

==Re: Johnny Maxwell==
Oh, sorry. Should I get rid of it? [[User:Drakon467|Drakon467]] ([[User talk:Drakon467|talk]]) 16:57, 13 May 2013 (GMT)
:I did already. Twice, actually. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:33, 13 May 2013 (GMT)
I've replaced it with a less guesswork-dependant one. Is it okay this time? [[User:Drakon467|Drakon467]] ([[User talk:Drakon467|talk]]) 18:39, 2 July 2013 (GMT)

Thanks. Rest assured, Yo-less definitely did say it. Of course, this being a Terry Pratchett book, it lost under accusations of Satanism and how Yo-less's mother wouldn't approve. [[User:Drakon467|Drakon467]] ([[User talk:Drakon467|talk]]) 05:37, 3 July 2013 (GMT)

==Junk page==

Apologies if there is a better place for this, but this seems a bit out of place. [[Girls Dont Abide By The Rules]]. I did try blanking it, but alas I can't make it disappear. [[User:Aldibibable|Aldibibable]] ([[User talk:Aldibibable|talk]]) 22:53, 31 May 2013 (GMT)

== Create page permissions ==
There seems to be an issue with permissions regarding creating pages as I don't seem to have that option today. Yesterday I had the option but not today. Is there an issue with permissions? Is it just me being a newbie here or are there times when things work only when they feel like it? It seems quite sporadic and most peculiar. --{{User:CelticWanderer/autosig}} 22:48, 8 June 2013 (GMT)
:I've also had trouble with permissions for the last few days, as I mentioned in the [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum#I'm locked out!|Mended Drum]]. Have you tried going back and trying again? I've found that the error messages aren't necessarily final. Otherwise you'd have to ask the [[User talk:Osiris|man behind the curtain]]. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:28, 8 June 2013 (GMT)
::I noticed your comment the other day. Yes, I have tried several times but with no luck. When trying to create an additional user subpage I get the generic response: <pre>There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page.</pre>
::Yesterday, it didn't say this. When trying to create a page in the main namespace there's no create page tab and I get the generic search response when there are no results: <pre>There were no results matching the query.</pre>
::A curious case that I hope is resolved soon. Out of curiosity what roles do the different admins serve on this site just so I know for future reference? --{{User:CelticWanderer/autosig}} 23:44, 8 June 2013 (GMT)
:[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] is the owner/operator, I'm the ''Editor Quia Nemo Vult'' (housekeeper?) and [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] has been the major content provider for many years. (Also, your sig really fills up the edit box!) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:56, 9 June 2013 (GMT)
::Ok, thanks. I was curious as you are shown as the creator in the active user list. Regarding the signature, methinks that is a hint to change it. I actually still need to create another sig page for transclusion that should fix this but I still can't create new pages. If it doesn't work when the permissions are fixed I will change the signature if you prefer. --{{User:CelticWanderer/autosig}} 08:34, 9 June 2013 (GMT)
:::[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] changed the permissions for me so now everything seems to be working at the moment. Also, I have changed my signature, takes up less much space in the editor and made it less distracting. --{{User:CelticWanderer/sig}} 21:58, 9 June 2013 (GMT)

==Mass Deletions - a double-edged sword==
There's got to be a better way... I'm ashamed to say while I've deleted a thousand spam accounts, two legitimate users have been deleted in error too, in the last week. And in the last month three thousand spam accounts have been created and are yet to be dealt with. That error rate is just too high (I've left fulsome apologies where I hope they'll be seen. Wish I had their email addresses so I could apologise in person. are these stored anywhere?) While I've cleared out all the spam accounts beginning with "A" and a good few of the "B"'s - as well as routine demolition of new ones as they pop up - I'm now hideously aware that mistakes will inevitably happen and I do not want to make any more. So tonight I've just identified a few known legitimate users who still have to make an entry on their user pages and left temporary messages there, so they show up blue in the user list and are less likely to be deleted in error. but there has to be a better way around this. Otherwise I'd keep on zapping through the B's...
:It ain't that bad, really. [[User:Sharlee|Sharlee]] figured it out immediately; if [[User:Aldibibable|Aldibibable]] is also on Wikipedia he(?) is probably capable too. Generally, though, I'd rather prod [[User:Osiris|Osiris]] (after a decent interval to recover from his shock) to execute his script to remove all the dormant accounts at computer speed. A problem with your valiant efforts at doing it manually is that the rest of us (especially me) can't see what else has happened in "Recent changes", even at 500 lines. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:37, 22 June 2013 (GMT)

== List of Characters ==

Not done, just for the day. Can change back if need be, have saved original on my computer. [[User:Rictus|Rictus]]

==Finally...==
Enjoy! I'll try not to post too many jaw-dropping spoilers.[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 23:10, 14 November 2013 (GMT)

== User: Netterku, possible spammer ==

Please check out User:Netterku, as I suspect he may be a spammer who has got through the net. Inept, as it's in Indonesian, which I speak as fluently as Vimes speaks Dwarfish (in fact, Vimes is native fluent compared to me). But interesting, in that the spamming sems to be arranged differently and not to the old well-known pattern. If you agree, and the user has not responded to my yellow card warning, shall we block? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 08:26, 25 November 2013 (GMT)
:No need for discussion: I did. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 22:41, 25 November 2013 (GMT)

== User:AgustinSnider‎; ==

[[User:AgustinSnider]]‎;Spambot? Noted this user made an account on 31st August but has only "introduced themself" now. The wording of the introduction is also horribly familiar, although the declared location checks out. But no actual spam, as yet? Shall I delete, or will you? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 10:11, 6 December 2013 (GMT)
:Yes, I seemed to remember the "Agustin" and the mismatched name and poor spelling are depressingly familiar, but I don't see actual grounds for merging. Inquire, if you like, but it can wait for an actual offence. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:42, 6 December 2013 (GMT)
::offense committed. Goodbye! --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 04:00, 9 December 2013 (GMT)
:::Good shot,sir! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:39, 10 December 2013 (GMT)

== Mine's a Boy ==

Congratulations to you and your family. Mine's a boy and he's coming today! Don't expect to see me much for a while. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 12:14, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
:Good on ya, mate (or more so the wife)! No, you'll be busy for a few years as I recall. I hope we can raise you in an emergency. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 13:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== BS, regarding your userpage post... ==
Old Dickens, thanks for the Independence Day wishes from this American. I'm hoping that recent developments in GB remind American rationalists not to take anything for granted re the man with Orange Hair.

On that note, a few days ago Rhianna Pratchett retweeted someone's suggestion to her that henceforth, in honor of Terry, Boris Johnson shall be known as "Bloody Stupid" Johnson. -- [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 22:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hee Hee. I should have thought of that one myself. Good luck in November; we're at least as interested as the Mexicans here in the Great White North. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:43, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Reply from new user Wonderful Fanny ==
Thank you, Old Dickens. I will learn to avoid becoming historical. I do not see how to remove a page, but Ramkin House may be deleted. Before adding the page, I did look for Ramkin House under the Locations page listed in the Navigation bar to the left, but I didn't see it there. I now know that this is not the same page as your footer category link Locations, where Ramkin Residence is clearly listed, and which I found much easier to use. The two different locations pages are confusing. Anyway, I have added a few points to Ramkin Residence, as you suggested. I also edited the {{SN}} section on ACCOoDD, to clarify.

== Article on The Keep? ==
Hey, Old Dickens... hope you and Canada are doing well. I just reread (okay, re-listened-to) Monstrous Regiment, and I don’t see an article on The Keep in here. I’m ready to write something up, but first I want to be sure I’m not missing the article under a different title; and also to ask your opinion on what the title of that article should be. “The Keep”? “The Borogravian Keep”? “Keep”? Thanks! [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 13:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:I see no article or even link to the Keep. An officer refers to it at one point as "Kneck Keep", which sounds useful although a redirect or two would be wanted in any case. A problem with audio books is bookmarking or searching or generally finding anything in particular. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

== Hello! ==

Hello. I'm here for anti-vandalism work. Do you have the ability to make me an admin here? I'm pretty sure that you have bureaucrat privelleges. My main goal around here is to ensure that this wiki is what it should be, a user-made encyclopedia, and not a playground for vandals. --'''[[User:DCool1|DCool1]]''' ([[User talk:DCool1|Talk to me!]]) 15:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

== Novelpedia ==
Hello, Old Dickens! I am starting a new wiki project called Novelpedia. Novelpedia will become the largest encyclopedia in the world because there are more books in the world than of all Wikipedia articles. There are actually over 129,864,880 books, that means 129,864,880 articles. http://editthis.info/novelpedia. There will also be [[Terry Pratchett]] novels too. --'''[[User:Yoshi|Yoshi]]''' ([[User talk:Yoshi|Talk to me!]]) 10:39, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
:Very ambitious, but still irrelevant here. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 16:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

== Help! ==

I want to die. I have had too much for 20 years and I have had enough. It is my time to go. --'''[[User:Yoshi|Yoshi]]''' ([[User talk:Yoshi|Talk to me!]]) 14:31, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

== Morporxit? ==

Terry would have Something to Say about current events, no doubt. But in his putative novel, one could rest assured that the Patrician would be hiding somewhere, and the reader knew he’d make BS Johnson look stupid while he calmly took power back. I don’t see Vetinari or anyone rescuing Britain. Or America, for that matter. :-( [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 21:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:No, I don't see any Vetinari there either. Stephen Fry, of course, should be in charge, but he's not even trying1, it seems. Probably they'll have to rely on their older skill: muddling through. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
:1 ''Well, he can be very trying; another problem in politics.'' --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 03:22, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

:The situation also calls for comment from our UK correspondent [[User:AgProv|AgProv]], but he hasn't been heard from for seven months: not dead, I see, but {{Death|gone}}

== Category pages to delete ==

Thanks for cleaning up those two categories. You may also want to delete the (currently 5) ones on [[Special:UnusedCategories]]. [[User:JesseW|JesseW]] ([[User talk:JesseW|talk]]) 03:28, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

== Willing to help ==
Hi, Old Dickens... got your email. So, I'm happy to help out any way I can. You need another administrator, I'm willing to step up if you need me. I do look at recent changes most days; thing is, I'd need some help figuring out the details of the janitorial end of a wiki. I do edit wikipedia sporadically, but I'm not at all familiar with how blocking, moving pages, dealing with vandalism, etc. works. Willing to learn. Let me know what you think![[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 00:59, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Old Dickens, thank you very much for your offer. If you are still looking for people to help I would be glad to and willing to learn how to further edit the wiki environment. Looking forward to your reply. ([[User:Jagra|Jagra]] ([[User talk:Jagra|talk]]) 16:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC))

== Haven't seen so much SEO for years! ==

Guess it's time for an upgrade :( --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 03:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
: Well the wiki is updated... wonder what's going on. I'm working on it --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 15:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
:: Switched Captcha for the moment. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 16:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
::: I am a normal user attempting to edit.... --[[User:Osiris-normal|Osiris-normal]] ([[User talk:Osiris-normal|talk]]) 16:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Let's hope. My gods, the last legitimate account created was in Dec '23! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC) 
What if these SEO spammers start using AI? ? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
:Might be time to turn on new account approval? I run a plugin for that on my wiki, works pretty well. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 09:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
::May I ask the name of the plugin you use? I wanted to switch to Turnstyle captcha but that isn't in the stable release of Mediawiki yet --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 04:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum

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Osiris:

'''This is a location to discuss non-content matters (what do we do with content disputes, vandalism, etc, what do we want to do with this wiki, and so on).'''

<div class="quotebox">This is the page for current discussions.

Archives
*[[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum/Archive 1]]
*[[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum/Archive 2]]
*[[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum/Archive 3]]
*[[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum/Archive 4]]
*[[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum/Archive 5]]
*[[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum/Archive 6]]
*[[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum/Archive 7]]
</div>

==Well, that hurts==
Changing the backend of architecture had a hiccup and I had to restore from my previous backup. We've all new changes since the 23rd :( --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
:Back up again faster than expected; now about the previous problem... Is there yet hope of recovering the Discworld & Terry Pratchett namespace (or the missing images)? I have the Mended Drum archives, but I don't know what's to be done with the rest of the missing pieces. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
::I restored the Mended Drum archives. What other pages are you looking for? --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
:The portals on the Main Page, mainly (the About page doesn't even have the link now); there may be more I haven't seen yet. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 19:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
::I think everything is back. At least all of the ones I can find in the database are restored. Can you give me an example page with a missing image? I'll tackle those next. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 21:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
:Yay! (I wonder how you did that.) Missing image in [[Chidder]], e,g. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 22:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC) The File List suggests that all images between Aug, 2006 and the Long Drive may be missing. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]])
::Sent you an email --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

==New staff==
After a long period of inadequate supervision, the wiki is pleased to announce the appointment of new administrators: 
[[User:Jagra|Jagra]] as Head Librarian and 
[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Rabbi Moishe Rosenbaum]] as Spiritual Adviser . [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC) 
And belatedly, having opened his email: 
[[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] representing the underside of the Disc.
:Much appreciated! I'll huddle up with [[Mightily Oats|Pastor Oats]]. Thanks, Old Dickens and Osiris! [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 01:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

::Thanks very much; and a position that no ones going to try to assassinate me over. Ook. [[User:Jagra|Jagra]] ([[User talk:Jagra|talk]]) 22:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

:Well, you know what they say about "running on Fourecksian time"... Thanks folks. Nice to be on the team. - [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 03:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

==Discussion of respect for peripheral creations==
(''moved from [[Talk:Jocasta Wiggs]].'') 
Gee I hate ''The Watch''! Does it deserve references here beyond its own page acknowledging its existence? It has almost nothing to do with the works of Terry Pratchett. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:I mean, it's a related work and people are going to want to know more about it; I don't like the idea of trying to put everything relevant on that one page. And if someone wants to know more about the character in the show, who gets a lot more screen time than the book version, this felt like the right place for a little paragraph. But if the consensus is it's not wanted here, fair enough and I'll stop adding info about it. I'll note it's not universally hated, though, despite its faults. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 03:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
OK, two opinions. Is anyone invoking Terry's name entitled to advertising here? Where's the limit? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

::I haven't seen the show, and I don't intend to - not after I saw what the young (my age!) Ms. Pratchett had to say about it on twitter a long while ago. But, that said... it's not a pirated fanfic, it's a legit derivative work that, as Guybrush says, people may come to this site for info about. As long as anything about it is clearly marked as from the show, or "non canonical", or something like that - as long as we're not representing ''The Watch'' as an actual Terry Pratchett creation - I'm okay with it getting coverage. Though my heart agrees with Old Dickens. And someone please correct me if I'm wrong about anything here. [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 05:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

:::Terry's name appears in the titles, Rob is still credited as a producer and the Narrativia logo appears at the end, which for me is qualification enough; and no other adaptation has been different enough to require additional information like this (except maybe the TV version of {{GO}}). But it's true that the important difference between {{TW}} and other adaptations is that the official Pratchett team are clearly unhappy with the result, and that they didn't have the equivalent of the veto power Terry had on all projects while he was alive. I also understand why people don't like it, even if I did (if with plenty of reservations). I want to document it somewhere - not least for fans who want to know more about it without watching it - but to avoid contention, perhaps we should just confine it to the specific article. I can find somewhere else for the greater detail. (As it happens, [https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com I have a whole separate wiki I've been working on], on which I've already set up interwiki to L-Space.) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 12:11, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

You may be right. I started here arguing against content restrictions since we don't take up any weight or shelf space. 
What, then, might be reasonable limits to inclusion or linking in the wiki? So far, I and contemporaries have treated spam pretty ruthlessly because it was obvious. What credit do we give a book/story/movie/tvseries/game/... that has only a nominal connection to Terry Pratchett? We already treat [[Discworld Noir]] as if it were canon, so it's muddy. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

:This discussion is getting big enough that we should shift it to the Drum, since it's no longer just about {{TW}}, but what our policy is on inclusion of stuff in general. My two cents though is that anything officially licensed should definitely be included, and that unambiguously includes both {{TW}} and ''[[Discworld Noir]]'', even though neither was written by Terry himself. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 00:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
I think the difference is that Discworld Noir does not get equal billing in an article if it uses a canonical name. What do we do with fanfic versions and creations? I still prefer separation of peripherals. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

We used to have a page for administrative discussion, but Osiris never liked the idea. -- [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

==Down time==
And...we're back. They blowed that cable up real good. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 16:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

::Railroad company doing maintenance didn't check for existing lines and dragged it's feet taking responsibility and allowing access for repairs. 1100 Tuesday to 0200 Friday complete outage. Then I had to update the DNS back to normal and wait for propagation. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 16:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
:::Woo-hoo! Thanks, Osiris. For all I understand about such things, you might as well have said "a witch flew into a tower." Glad we are up and running again! :-) [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 18:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
::::Yeah, he often talks IT to me. I just smile and nod. He's a sort of Ponder Stibbons among us old-fashioned wizards. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
:::As someone who did understand all of those words...thanks for getting it sorted, Osiris! ;) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

==Those missing facilities==
Is the loss of hit counters, PopularPages and such interesting utilities due to practical or philosophical reasons? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

==CQ Vade Mecum==
French site ''Vade Mecum'' has been hijacked and the link leads to a load of malevolent crap.
Their Facebook page remains and doesn't mention the problem. It wants someone with better
French than mine to ask them. -- [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 03:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

==Page count==
Trying to do a count of total pages (the page counter having been broken for some years), I find that Special:AllPages reports: 
"A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." It gives the error code
[71b51ca94cd2a7996b274243] 2022-05-12 04:37:07: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

==Rejects==
I'm glad "TilanissaWildhawk" and "Argent Stallion" are just spammers. They sound problematic as real contributors. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 15:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

==Test==
Editing appears to work.
: Does editing still work?
I dunno; ISP has been down all day all over the country. (Seems to work [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC))
:This is me. Testing editing after applying the upgrade... --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 19:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

==Server Move==
Editing may be a bit slow for a while. I had to move to a slower system to perform some maintenance on the old server. I'll move it back as soon as i can. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 20:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
:Moved DB to Amazon RDS so we'll see how fast it goes. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 20:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
::Not that fast at the moment. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

==Everything okay?==
Site's been offline for a day or two, by my reckoning; just moving back to the old server, or something else? (PS - I've been bit quiet, but I'm still around!) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
:Back for a while, but not on the real server, apparently; still at dial-up speed. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 16:04, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
::Back on dedicated hardware. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 22:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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:Back at warp speed already! Nice work, Scotty! [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:56, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
:'''Special pages''' is not back, however. [7f0d5fb90f244811375db569] 2022-08-03 20:03:27: Fatal exception of type "TypeError" [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 20:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
:I complained before about the loss of some features of Special Pages, but I wonder if we can get along without the whole set. Are they coming back? 
:(I can search out individual pages if I can remember the Speling, and Categories are available from the Main page, but the list was more convenient. If the list must go the link should be removed from the sidebar.) [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:35, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

==Annotations (again)==
Soliciting opinions of administrators and all users on the admissibility and editing of annotations; does the old consensus hold? Does anyone's opinion qualify as an Annotation? See [[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum#Annotations]]. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
:I think some editorial control would be appropriate, at least in the form of some basic standards. We're the successor of the APF, and that was compiled intentionally, rather than including every comment made by fans on the group. I agree with Moishe that "this reminds me of this other thing" isn't sufficient. As a baseline, specific similarities should be cited, and where possible evidence for a link. If there is none, then that should be clear by using language like "might be a reference to" - there are some long bow comments in some annotations which are written as if they are fact. And I am also okay with old annotations being edited where appropriate, too. Part of agreeing to contribute to a wiki is understanding what you write is not permanent and may be changed by others over time. Disagreements can be hashed out on Discussion pages if need be. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 11:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::Well said, Guybrush. Successor to the APF - large boots to fill! You're right that we need to aspire to that level, even if we don't reach it all the time.[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 00:39, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
With all due respect to Leo and Mike, I had hoped for more than a collection of annotations. If, on the other hand, we were going to be a continuation of the APF, annotations would need to be filed in the annotation pages with original edition page numbers. Nobody does that. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC) Moishe said: "Yet I kinda think that on a wiki, we have to put up with some of the less-specific annotations in order to get the awesome ones, the same way panning for gold requires one's hands to get quite mucky before the good stuff filters out." I guess that depends on your idea of less-specific but I'd prefer we tried to refine the gold and dump the muck. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
:Well, I do put annotations in that way - and I'm willing to go through and move them to separate pages, with page numbers, for the books at least. (Page numbers don't have to be from the original editions (the later paperbacks are far more common these days, after all), as long as the edition is noted.) For other kinds of articles, a separate annotations section at the bottom is fine, but should be cleaned up wherever possible. We aren't just annotations, of course - I also think our role is to be a source of "who is that again?" kind of information that the Discworld Companions are actually really bad for, as they are all jokes and no actual context - but we're also not the only Discworld-themed wiki. I'm keen for us to differentiate ourselves and not end up a dumping ground for everything like some of them are; the Fandom one, for example, has huge slabs of the APF next to stuff from this wiki and other stuff that's just nonsense, with no differentiation or proper organisation. So I also definitely agree we should dump the muck and refine the gold! -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 02:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Bonzer! Death to graffiti artists! We have been something of a dumping ground for any crackpot opinion since the consensus of ten years ago that "my uninformed and illogical opinion is as good as yours". My ideal would be no annotations in factual pages, but if we can edit them and cull the worst it's a useful compromise. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
:I'm 100% on board with "edit them and cull the worst". Here we *go*. (And good luck to your respective foot-the-ball teams today and tomorrow!)[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 18:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
No such luck. Moishe/Osiris 5, Guybrush 6, Old Dickens X. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
:After watching the first games, I would've wagered on Old Dickens over any of the rest of us. Your team looked great. Alphonso Davies is a beast.

:Now, in the 2023 Women's world cup, USA/Canada/Australia sound like three favorites. DYK I have a Haley Raso jersey?[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 21:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

==...and then==
Here's a challenge for the new consensus on annotations. See [[Moules]]. Here is a looong annotation based only on a similar made-up word, but it's amusing. There's nothing wrong with it in itself and I'd say it was positive contribution, but it does over-balance the main article. Opinions?
:I mean, I'm happy to move this to the talk page. It's certainly interesting, and it adds background that I wasn't aware of, since I'm American and younger than TP. Yet, I agree this is more an interesting side note rather than an annotation. Are others okay if I move it to talk? [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
That could be done...I asked because I was torn myself. I have been more interested in getting the utter nonsense out than the merely peripheral. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:31, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:Yeah, I agree - we don't need to be ruthless! I'd probably edit something like that shorter if possible, or perhaps in this case add a bit more detail to the main article, but we don't need to remove something interesting as long as its clear and doesn't detract from the utility of the article. Having it in a separate section helps there, too. I don't know if moving it to the talk page is best, though - a lot of users will never think to look there. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 09:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

== Repeated annotations ==
One benefit to having annotations in articles about things and people is that when they crop up in multiple books we can easily do a "see [[Piecemaker]]" (for example); as it is now, many annotation pages include annotations for things already annotated elsewhere, and not always in agreement. (The {{T!}} annotation for the piecemaker said it was a reference to a bomber plane, with the gun mentioned as a "maybe".) I'd be keen to replace a lot of those with a wiki-link, or at least to edit down to a short version with a link to the detail. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 09:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
:No argument from me. I've seen a few that are about the same concept, but phrased completely differently on the book's annotation page and on the page for the concept itself. Not the end of the world, of course, but where you see these, I'd say, change it - I'll do the same![[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 01:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

==Re-hash==
''Recalled from the archives:'' 
I'd suggest that for an annotation to count as such, it has to satisfy several criteria:

i) The argument is as watertight, logical and succinct as possible;

ii)The mistake is avoided of attributing specific status to a generic observation. To explain, the anthropomorphic personification of Death is a universal concept which has been around, in the "modern" form of scythe-carrying animated skeleton, since mediaeval times. A lot of people have used this image - Pratchett is only a contemporary user, and not the latest. There is a discussion on the "Reverse Annotations" talk page as to why the makers of the animation Family Guy may' have been influenced by the Discworld in their interpretation of the Death character, and why the makers of The Simpsons almost certainly haven't. In principle, just because other people use the Death icon does not imply they've borrowed it from Terry - as he himself said we're all fishing from the same stream.

iii) The onus is always on the Annotator to explain exactly why they think their insight qualifies as an Annotation. As the maths exam says - explain your workings.

iv) An Annotation you have to explain with a convoluted thousand-word essay almost certainly isn't. In this case it's likely to be the author's own wishful thinking. the best and most certain ones are short, pithy and tie exactly between the Annotation and the idea or concept it showcases.

v) The more points of association you see between the text and an external idea or quality, the more likely it is to be an Annotation. For instance, the shout-outs to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice to be seen in the pages of Snuff. Everything fits; nothing is problematic or wishful thinking. Conversely, just because two words used in a character name or description also appear in a Beatles song title, it doesn't necessarily mean this is intentional. Lucy Tockley was not in the habit of spacing herself out on hard drugs, for instance, and almost nothing in the song lyrics is reflected in the events of Lords and Ladies. The association is tempting, but ultimately only superficial. Soul Music aside, look more deeply into the lyrics of songs, not just the titles, to check as certainly as you can as to whether TP is really referencing them. Avoid superficiality.

vi) It helps to know a little about Terry: for instance, his favourite novelists: it isn't then a long jump from George Wambaugh (police procedurals and cops-as-buddies novels) to the City Watch. Nor from George McDonald-Fraser (war stories involving unruly Scottish soldiers) to the NacMacFeegle. We also know his favourite rock/pop/folk music includes They Might Be Giants, the Blue Öyster Cult and Steeleye Span, all bands referenced freely in the books to date. He is also fond of bad puns and absurd humour.

vii) Terry has a serious side. His thoughts on assisted death - and the dignity of life - are well known. Sometimes an annotation might be there to point the thoughtful in a given direction. He's good at multi-level puns, that is, condensing the maximum of information into the least possible words. Look out for this too, but this is necessary more speculative. For instance, a very minor character yet to get even a speaking part - although the context suggests with a very marked and unique accent - is Miss Smith-Rhodes, teacher at the Assassins' School. In one name, Terry has condensed a hundred years of political history in Southern Africa, and this screams out that this name did not happen by accident: Cecil Rhodes created a country called Rhodesia. Ian Smith was its last white ruler, in the tradition of Rhodes, fighting a bitter civil war before having to concede defeat and hand it over to black majority rule and Robert Mugabe's tender care. These two names condense the rise and fall of white empire in Africa into two words - very economical shorthand. Maybe he has a sketched-out plot for a lost colony in Howondaland? And in the context of academia, a Rhodes Scholar is a gifted student from the white British Empire who gets to study for free, and with a grant, at Oxford or Cambridge.... for this number of referents to come together in a single character strongly suggests something is going on here. These things are certainly worth noting.

--AgProv 03:42, 28 November 2011 (CET)

:Oh, ay. Should be printed on the Main Page, but, the Devil being in the details, how to enforce it? AgProv has contributed lots of useful and entertaining annotations, generally admitting it, at least, if they become imaginative. We might even be able to agree on what's "watertight and logical", but others won't. I spent last year campaigning against vacuous annotations and graffiti in general but the consensus seemed to be that anyone had the right to free expression here, short of spam. (Meanwhile, why is this meta discussion in Lucy Tockley's page? I'm moving a copy over to the Mended Drum.) --Old Dickens 00:44, 29 November 2011 (CET)

Some guidelines for annotators?

Useful annotations: 
Explaining the more obscure bits of British institutions, geography, pop culture, etc. to the rest of us. British movies, rock and roll and some tv shows will be known internationally: not so much comic strips, radio personalities, the Football League and cricket or the British Post Office. This may occasionally work in reverse for Fourecksian or Genuan trivia, Seattle or the environs of Power Cable, Neb. (See SiD's note on Integrated Mail Processors (Going Postal/Annotations). That's interesting (and still in the Annotations page).

Explaining details that might not be known outside your area of special interest (except by a researcher of TP's experience). Math and physics to the journalists, say, or German philosophers to the more technical.

Useless annotations:

The Bleeding Obvious. Please, you can't read Pratchett if you're thicker than a Troll sandwich. 
Explaining the Jokes, unless there's a real chance they depend on a useful annotation above.(Even then, a joke explained tends to be a joke spoiled.) 
What You Think The Author Was Thinking. If you were as smart as he is you wouldn't be working for free here, would you?

--Old Dickens 03:29, 15 December 2011 (CET)

Opinions? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 06:26, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

:I agree with nearly all of this, though the bit about “useless annotations” needs to take into account that Pratchett’s readers in 2023 don’t have the same cultural context as those at the time of publication. What was "bleeding obvious" in 1983, 1996 or even 2015 may not be so for new readers now - and indeed, wasn’t for all readers then! We don’t know who is reading an annotation, beyond that they are interested in Pratchett’s work. So I think annotations should be written in plain language and explain themselves clearly, with a minimum of assumptions. They should convey everything you need to understand the basic reference, then link to sources that explain further so they don’t get too long. (e.g. it’s enough to explain that the band We’re Certainly Dwarfs is a reference to one of Pratchett’s favourite “nerd rock” bands, [[wikipedia:They Might Be Giants|They Might Be Giants]]; see also [[Foul Ole Ron]] and the origins of “Bugrit millennium hand and shrimp”.) So I guess I’d add “Annotations should be complete.”
:I also think some jokes might need explaining now, if the cultural references they rely on are now more obscure than at the time of writing. And I say this as a sometimes professional comedian and comedy writer who hates doing that!
:I’d prefer we didn't use language describing folks as stupid for not getting things. Pratchett has a broad appeal, and he read and researched widely; ''no-one'' gets every joke and reference.
:Finally, when it comes to reverse annotations, I think they ought to have a much higher bar to clear: unless they’re unambiguous or there’s clear evidence, we have no idea if other creators have even read Pratchett, let alone are really referencing his work. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
As a North American, I didn't get all the jokes in many of my first Pratchett books either, but the bleeding obvious needs moderation before the article/annotation becomes condescending. I'd admit that there needs to be consideration of the generation gap. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

==That was interesting==
Hey, we've moved behind the scenes again. Sorry for the downtime. My home internet company decided to remove my static IP so back to the cloud we go. It was a pain to get working again. Let me know if you find anything broken. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 03:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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Furniture makers, of [[Phedre Road]], [[Ankh-Morpork]].

Responsible for scary wardrobes occasioning childhood trauma, and for the sort of big sturdy brown furniture, that gives the onlooker a feeling that if they open the doors and hunt behind the many-years unregarded brown coats and the mouldering pairs of long-disregarded old shoes (brown) that by ancient statute '''must''' be in the bottom of every wardrobe, a Narnia must surely be on the other side. (But a monochrome Narnia in every shade of sepia.)

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Annotations for [[Book:The Long Earth|The Long Earth]]:

''"He ([[Percy Blakeney]]) tried French anyway. 'Parley Buffon say?'"''
- He probably meant to say something like 'parlez-vous français'

''''' Doubleday Edition (UK) p81:-''''' Philip José Farmer's '''''Riverworld''''' series of novels are a classic in speculative fiction. The central premis is that the whole of the human race, everyone who has ever lived (as well as related species advanced enough to share aspects of humanity, like neanderthals and other hominids) have been resurrected on a massive planet known as the Riverworld. One River meanders in long lazy spirals around the world's surface. People have been reborn in approximate chronological order in their social or tribal units. It is possible to die here, but you are simply reborn somewhere else in the riverworld in a new body. Everyone is permanently 25 and sickness has been erased. But people who on Earth were thinkers and explorers are not content. Some attempt to "step" around the planet by repeatedly dying or commiting suicide, so as to experience life in as many places as possible. On a deliberately mineral-poor planet, others, including Samuel Clement (author Mark Twain) exploit a meteorite strike (iron-rich) to smelt materials and build boats - and ''airships'' - to explore the Riverworld from above. One such airship on the Riverworld is actually called the ''Mark Twain''....

''''' Doubleday Edition (UK) p131:-''''' The reference to the "trolls" as Mighty Joes. Another shout-out to Philip José Farmer's '''''Riverworld''''', a book about a sort of alternate Earth, where representatives of a humanoid group which predated humans are ressurrected alongside the whole of the human race. A ''Titanothrop'' adopted and taught English by "Samuel Clement"'s group of adventurers is nicknamed Joe....

''''' Doubleday Edition (UK) p150:-''''' Tracklements again. See note for [[Trucklement's Yummy Assortment|this entry.]]

''''' Doubleday Edition (UK) p214:-''''' ''And once, a flapping, spinning, thing that looked for all the world like an octopus, spinning like a frisbee through the canopy trees. How the hell had that got there?''

Terry being whimsical, perhaps: a shout-out to {{N}} and the [[Tree-Climbing Octopus]].

''''' Doubleday Edition (UK) p243:-''''' The settlement of Happy Landings, a town founded by humans who inadvertently learnt to step, and who appear to come from all ages and times in human history on Datum Earth. Another nod to Riverworld, where the continuous death and ressurection cycle spreads people evenly around the planet, who are discovering that "anarchist~" communes, in the classic interpretation, are the only way small human societies can live. Or perhaps to michael Moorcock's creation of Tanelorn - a refuge for those tired of serving Gods, a place where people from all over the Multiverse choose to find peace. Under frequent attacks from the gods of Chaos...

''''' Doubleday Edition (UK) p260:-''''' the '''''Long Chant''''' of the trolls. Trollsong is a way of preserving and communicating information around the whole of the species. In {{T!}}, reference is made to the Long Chant of the trolls on Discworld. Is this Tery recycling what at present is a throwaway, undeveloped, idea on Discworld and using a different vehicle to elaborate on the theme?

''''' Doubleday Edition (UK) p282:-''''' The power of [[potato]]es for the random traveller, in preserving sanity and providing a potent reminder of home and familiar things. Joshua is evoking [[Rincewind]]?

''''' Doubleday Edition (UK) p306:-''''' "First Person Singular", the [[Kraken|Leviathan]]-like sentient being, is twenty-three miles long by five miles wide. Hmmm. A shout-out to Shea and Wilson's ''Illuminatus!'' trilogy, where Leviathan (and shipboard supercomputer FirstUniversalCybernetic/KineticUnifiedProgram) gains sentience by speaking the word "I". 23 and 5 are also ''very'' special numbers in "Illuminatus!"

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ISBN {{{1}}}

Template:Header quote

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:::'''''"{{{1}}}"'''''
::::— {{{2}}}
<noinclude>
==Usage==
This template indents three times <code>:::</code> whereas the main body [[Template:Quote|quote]] template indents only once <code>:</code>
===Example===
<pre>{{Header quote| add quote here - no need for inverted commas | add source here - i.e. [[TCOM]]}}</pre>
===Syntax===
<pre>{{Header quote| | }}</pre>

[[Category:Quotation templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]
</noinclude>

Template:ISWM

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<includeonly>''[[Book:I Shall Wear Midnight|I Shall Wear Midnight]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|ISWM]]
</noinclude>

Template:ISWM-APF

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<includeonly>''[[Book:I Shall Wear Midnight/Annotations|I Shall Wear Midnight/Annotations]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Annotation shortcut templates|ISWM-APF]]
</noinclude>

Template:IT

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<includeonly>''[[Book:Interesting Times|Interesting Times]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|IT]]
</noinclude>

Template:IWFM

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<includeonly>''[[Book:The Illustrated Wee Free Men|The Illustrated Wee Free Men]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|IWFM]]
</noinclude>

Template:If

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<noinclude>Warning, this template is quite esoteric so I suggest that you don't change it unless you are sure you understand what it does. I got it from the examples of advanced templates at the official Mediawiki website.
</noinclude>{{{else{{{test|}}}|{{{test{{{test|}}}|{{{then|}}}}}}}}}

Template:J

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<includeonly>''[[Book:Jingo|Jingo]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|J]]
</noinclude>

Template:J-APF

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<includeonly>[[Book:Jingo/Annotations|''Jingo'' Annotations]]</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Annotation shortcut templates|J-APF]]
</noinclude>

Template:JATB

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<includeonly>''[[Book:Johnny and the Bomb|Johnny and the Bomb]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|JATB]]
</noinclude>

Template:JATD

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<includeonly>''[[Book:Johnny and the Dead|Johnny and the Dead]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|JATD]]
</noinclude>

Template:JatB

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<includeonly>''[[Book:Johnny and the Bomb|Johnny and the Bomb]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|JatB]]
</noinclude>

Template:JatD

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<includeonly>''[[Book:Johnny and the Dead|Johnny and the Dead]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|JatD]]
</noinclude>

Template:LL

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<includeonly>''[[Book:Lords and Ladies|Lords and Ladies]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|LL]]
</noinclude>

Template:LL-APF

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<includeonly>[[Book:Lords and Ladies/Annotations|''Lords and Ladies'' Annotations]]</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Annotation shortcut templates|LL-APF]]
</noinclude>

Template:LTYOE

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<includeonly>''[[Book:Lu-Tze's Yearbook of Enlightenment 2008|Lu-Tze's Yearbook of Enlightenment 2008]]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|LTYOE]]
</noinclude>

Template:Listdev

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: ''This list is incomplete. Please add to it.''<noinclude>[[Category:Utility templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]</noinclude>

Template:Lspace

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[http://www.lspace.org/{{{1}}} {{{2}}}]

Template:Lspace reference

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[http://www.lspace.org/ L-Space]<noinclude>[[Category:Reference templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]</noinclude>

Template:M

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<includeonly>''[[Book:Mort|''Mort'']]''</includeonly><noinclude>
[[Category:Title shortcut templates|M]]
</noinclude>