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|title=Eric<br />
|cover=[[File:Cover Eric (alt).jpg |thumb|240px|Cover art by Josh Kirby]]<br />
|coauthors=<br />
|illustrator=[[Josh Kirby]]<br />
|date=August 1990<br />
|publisher=Victor Gollancz<br />
|isbn=0575600012<br />
|pages=160<br />
|rrp=<br />
|series=Rincewind Series<br />
|characters=[[Rincewind]], [[Eric]], [[Death]], [[The Luggage]]<br />
|annotations=<br />
|notes= <br />
}}<br />
==Blurb==<br />
Eric is the [[Discworld (world)|Discworld]]'s only demonology hacker. Pity he's not very good at it.<br />
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All he wants is three wishes granted. Nothing fancy - to be immortal, rule the world, have the most beautiful woman in the world fall madly in love with him, the usual stuff. But instead of a tractable demon, he calls up Rincewind, probably the most incompetent wizard in the universe, and the extremely intractable and hostile form of travel accessory known as the Luggage.<br />
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With them on his side, Eric's in for a ride through space and time that is bound to make him wish (quite fervently) again - this time that he'd never been born.<br />
<br />
==Plot Summary==<br />
As indicated by the crossed-out portion of the title, a parody of {{wp|Faust|Faust}}.<br />
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On a blazingly hot Ankh-Morpork summer afternoon, Rincewind the wizard, trapped in the [[Dungeon Dimensions]] after the events of {{S}}, attempts to return to the Disc.<br />
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His attempted return attracts the attention of [[Death]] (who is pretty much used to Rincewind doing unusual things), and the [[wizards]], who ultimately use the [[Rite of AshkEnte]] to get Death to tell them what is going on.<br />
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Meanwhile, demonologist Eric Thursley attempts to summon a [[Demons|demon]], managing to rescue Rincewind in the process (unknown to either, Duke Vassenego arranges this as part of his plot against Astfgl).<br />
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Rincewind convinces Eric that he's not a demon, but the sudden appearance of the Luggage (which follows Rincewind everywhere) convinces Eric that he was right in the first place. Eric then makes three wishes:<br />
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* mastery of the kingdoms of the world<br />
* meeting the most beautiful woman who has ever lived<br />
* living for ever (the text reads "for ever", which becomes a significant point later; presumably Eric wanted to live "forever", which is a little different)<br />
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and a chest of gold "just to be getting on with it".<br />
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Meanwhile, Astfgl, the new King of the Demons, is trying to adjust to his new position, annoyed that:<br />
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* no one can pronounce his name yet<br />
* the "old guard" almost-but-not-quite disobey him, and are plotting against him<br />
* the Gods ignore him<br />
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To demonstrate he has no power, Rincewind snaps his fingers, transporting himself and Eric about a thousand miles above the Disc. A second snap transports them to a [[Tezuman Empire]] (ruled by the [[Great Muzuma]]). The Tezumen (plural of Tezuman) accept Eric as Ruler of the World, and shower him with tribute and speeches.<br />
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The Tezumen, however, have not invented paper (communication between them and Eric/Rincewind is via stone tablet), nor the wheel (they use disks with holes as jewelry, currency, and hats, but not as wheels), and their calendar counts down, giving them a suicidally gloomy and pessimistic view of life (well, that, plus the swamps, hummingbird-sized mosquitoes, lack of metal ore, volcanoes, weather, etc).<br />
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After Rincewind rescues explorer Ponce da Quirm (who's wasted all his life searching for the Fountain of Youth), he learns (by reading a large collection of stone blocks) that the Tezumen intend to kill (in an exquisitely painful manner) the Ruler of the World (ie, Eric), and Rincewind. Rincewind and da Quirm try to leave quietly, but are captured.<br />
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Just as they're about to be killed, the Tezuman god Quezovercoatl appears. Contrary to his appearance in visions and statues, he is only 6 inches high. As he's about to give the Tezumen Astfgl's new directive, he is crushed by the Luggage (requiring him to spend several centuries regenerating in one of the nether hells, since demons apparently can't die), which is racing to re-unite with Rincewind.<br />
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The Tezumen release Rincewind, Eric, and da Quirm, and decide to worship the Luggage as a God. Rincewind gives Eric's parrot to da Quirm as a present.<br />
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Rincewind snaps his fingers again, landing himself and Eric in the Tsortean Horse, a ruse concocted by Ephebian leader Lavaeolus to conquer the city of Tsort. Lavaeolus correctly assumes that the Tsorteans will think the horse contains an invading force. Instead, while the Tsorteans are waiting for the Ephebians to come out of the horse, the Ephebians "nip round the back" and slip in through Tsort's unguarded back gate, accidentally assisted by Rincewind and Eric, who were trying to leave.<br />
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Despite his best efforts, Rincewind is influential in getting Eric to meet the beautiful Elenor.<br />
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Rincewind and Eric are sent back in time to when the Creator was making the world. They have a discussion about the Discworld. Later, Rincewind and Eric discuss the meaning of living forever. Rincewind tosses his egg and cress sandwich into the water, starting the formation of life. Eric's wishes are now used up, requiring Rincewind to find a way to save them.<br />
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Rincewind and Eric are then sent to [[Hell]], which they basically run through, meeting Ponce da Quirm and Eric's Parrot. Ponce da Quirm explains that he found the Fountain of Youth, but forgot to boil any still water found in the wild, and subsequently died from the bacteria in the water. At the end of the book, Rincewind and Eric escape, and Astfgl is promoted to Lifetime President of Hell, a mainly maintenance job, which he is completely happy with.<br />
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==Characters==<br />
===Main characters===<br />
* [[Eric]]<br />
* [[Rincewind]]<br />
* [[The Luggage]]<br />
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===Minor characters===<br />
* Archchancellor [[Ezrolith Churn]]<br />
* [[Astfgl]], King of Hell<br />
* [[Elenor]] of [[Tsort]]<br />
* [[Lavaeolus]] <br />
* The [[Librarian]]<br />
* [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
* [[Quezovercoatl]], the Feathered Boa, a parody of {{wp|Quetzalcoatl|Quetzalcoatl}}<br />
* [[Ponce da Quirm]], parody of {{wp|Juan_Ponce_de_Le%C3%B3n|Ponce de Leon}}<br />
* The [[Creator]]<br />
* [[Death]]<br />
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==Cameos==<br />
* [[Herrena the Henna-Haired Harridan]]<br />
* [[Red Scharron]]<br />
* [[Diome, Witch of the Night]]<br />
* [[Senior Tutor]]<br />
* [[Private Archeios]], a private who looks after a child<br />
* [[Urglefloggah]], Spawn of the Pit and Loathly Guardian of the Dread Portal<br />
* [[Azaremoth]], Stench of Dog Breath, a demon who guards a parody of {{wp|Tityus|Tityus}} (whose liver was eaten by two vultures) and/or {{wp|Prometheus|Prometheus}} (whose constantly-regenerating liver was eaten by an eagle, albeit not in Hades)<br />
* [[Lord Vizzimuth]], a demon who reads "Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects" to a parody of {{wp|Sisyphus|Sisyphus}}<br />
* [[Earl Beezlemoth]] a lord of hell, shocked by the tortures humans can think up<br />
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==Locations==<br />
* [[Pseudopolis]]<br />
* [[Ankh-Morpork]]<br />
* [[Death's Domain]]<br />
* [[Hell]]<br />
* [[Klatch (continent)|Klatch]]<br />
**[[Tezuman Empire]]<br />
* [[Quirm]]<br />
* [[Tsort]]<br />
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==Sentient Species==<br />
*[[Gorgon|Gorgons]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Humans]]<br />
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==Supernatural Entities==<br />
*[[Creator|The Creator]]<br />
*[[Demons]] <br />
*[[Death]]<br />
*[[The gods|The Gods]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Imps]]<br />
*[[Dungeon Dimensions|Horrors from the Dungeon Dimensions]] (mentioned)<br />
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==Things/People Mentioned==<br />
* [[The Joy of Tantric Sex|The Joy of Tantric Sex with Illustrations for the Advanced Student, by A.Lady]] (parodying books like {{wp|Story_of_O|The Story of O}} and {{wp|Joy_of_Sex|The Joy of Sex}} and authors with names like "J" (an alias of {{wp|Joan_Garrity|Joan Garrity}})) and Roundworld books published anonymously, such as Jane Austen's first novel. <br />
* [[Some Little Known Aspects of Kuian Rain-making Rituals]], a seven-volume treatise by Ezrolith Churn<br />
* [[Names of the Ants]], a book by [[Humptemper]]<br />
* [[Ku]], continent that sank slowly (over a period of 30 years) into the sea, a parody of {{wp|Atlantis|Atlantis}}<br />
* [[Old Tom]], [[Unseen University]]'s magical clock that tolls out silences every hour<br />
* Riinjswin and Winswin, demons with names similar to Rincewind's<br />
* [[Mallificarum Sumpta Diabolicite Occularis Singularum]], a demon-summoning book whose initials parody {{wp|MSDOS|MSDOS}}<br />
* [[succubus]], a type of demon that makes mad passionate wossname<br />
* [[neuralger]], a type of demon that has a headache at you<br />
* [[Mirror of Souls]], demon device that can be used to show events anywhere, any time<br />
* [[the Fountain of Youth]], a rejuvenating fountain with apparently tainted water<br />
* The [[Tsortean Horse]], a parody of the {{wp|Trojan_Horse|Trojan Horse}}<br />
* The [[Tsortean Wars]], in which Ephebe attempts to rescue a reluctant Elenor<br />
* [[Corporal Disuse]], a corporal whose squad is consumed by the Luggage<br />
* [[Mr Beekle]], a possibly fictional person referred to by a child on a potty<br />
* [[King Mausoleum]], king of Tsort, who kidnapped and married Elenor<br />
* [[The Ball of Philodelphus]], a song popular with soldiers, parody of ''The Ball of Kerrymuir''.<br />
* [[Heliodeliphilodelphiboschromenos]], an Ephebian city with vestal virgins<br />
* [[Big Bang Hypothesis]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Continuous Creation]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects]], a demon book<br />
* [[Throne of Dread]], where the king of Hell sits<br />
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==Illustrations==<br />
The original edition of ''Eric'' was a large-format paperback published by Gollancz featuring fifteen illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]]. Afterwards a standard Corgi paperback of ''Eric'' was published without the illustrations, though a detail from one of them was used as the cover. The illustrations were reinstated for a later smaller format edition under the title ''[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|The Illustrated Eric]]''.<br />
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==Adaptations==<br />
===[[Radio Adaptations|Radio]]===<br />
Adapted for BBC Radio 4 in 2013, directed by Joquil Panting.<br />
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Cast:<br />
*Mark Heap: [[Rincewind]]<br />
*Jeffrey Whitehead: [[Death]]<br />
*Will Howard: [[Eric Thursley]]<br />
*Ben Crowe: Parrot, Sergeant, [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
*Nicholas Murchie: [[Astfgl]]<br />
*Christine Absalom: Mother, [[Elenor]]<br />
*Jack Klaff: [[Ponce da Quirm]], Urglefloggah<br />
*Rick Warden: Narrator, [[Lavaeolus]]<br />
*Micheal Shelford: Screwpate<br />
*Robert Blythe: [[Ezrolith Churn|Archchancellor]], [[Quetzovercoatl]], [[Creator]]<br />
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==Notes==<br />
Rincewind is present when the Creator reads the [[Octavo]] to create the universe. This might explain why one of the Octavo's spells chooses to jump into Rincewind's mind when it sees him: it recognises him from the time of creation.<br />
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==Other Stuff==<br />
* Ninth published Discworld book.<br />
* Fourth book in the series of Rincewind-books.<br />
* First illustrated Discworld book.<br />
* The hardcover and, unusually, paperback rights are held by Victor Gollancz Ltd.<br />
* Cover and internal illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]].<br />
* Each edition uses a different font for the crossed out “Faust” and handwritten “Eric”.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
{|<br />
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| valign="top" | [[File:EricFirstEdition.jpg|120px|thumb|First Edition Cover by [[Josh Kirby]]]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E FirstPaper.jpg|thumb|120px|First paperback editon]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Vista.jpg|thumb|120px|Vista paperback]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Black.jpg|thumb|120px|Paperback 2004 (Italian)]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Tape.jpg|thumb|120px|Audio Cassette]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E CD.jpg|thumb|120px|Audio CD]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Roc.jpg|thumb|120px|Paperback ROC Publishing]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E G50.jpg|thumb|120px|[[Gollancz]] Top 50 edition]]<br />
|}<br />
{|<br />
|-<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E US.jpg|thumb|120px|US Cover]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:IllustratedEricCover.jpg|thumb|120px|[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|Illustrated Edition]]]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Unseen.jpg|thumb|120px|Unseen Library Edition]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E CL.jpg|thumb|120px|Collectors Library Edition]]<br />
| valign=“top” | [[File:E 2023.jpg|thumb|120px|Gollancz "50 Years of Terry" edition]]<br />
|}<br />
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[http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/eric.html ''Eric'' Annotations - The Annotated Pratchett File]<br />
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[[de:Buch:Eric]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=50_Years_of_Terry&diff=3526050 Years of Terry2024-03-24T12:28:50Z<p>Guybrush: /* Timeline */</p>
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<div>'''50 Years of Terry''' was announced as a year long celebration of [[Terry Pratchett]], timed to begin on the 50th anniversary of the publication of his first novel, {{TCP}}. It was mainly visible in the release of new paperback and audiobook editions of the Discworld novels, with new matching cover designs cover art designed by [[Leo Nickolls]], referencing [[Paul Kidby]]'s character designs, and published for the first time under the Penguin imprint. The new paperbacks do not replace the current 2012-213 paperback editions, which use modified versions of [[Josh Kirby]]'s covers.<br />
<br />
== Timeline ==<br />
This includes all publications explicitly announced to be part of the celebration, as well as those that happen within the period. These are based on announced publication dates, which are primarily for the UK (though audiobook dates are usually international). Some regions (e.g. Australia) will see the new paperbacks a few months later. Many of these dates have been subject to change, and the celebration ended up extending beyond the officially announced year.<br />
<br />
;16 November 2021:New audiobooks announced.<br />
;9 December 2021:{{H}} audiobook, narrated by [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]], with the same cover art as the 25th Anniversary edition of the book released on 15 October 2021.<br />
;1 March 2022:New paperback editions announced.<br />
;22 April 2022:Official start of 50 Years of Terry. Publication of new 50th anniversary edition of {{TCP}}, and new audiobook read by [[wikipedia:David Tennant|David Tennant]].<br />
;28 April 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Witches books {{ER}}, {{WS}}, {{WA}}, {{LL}}, {{M!!!}} and {{CJ}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]], as well as a new paperback of {{SG}} with a matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Andy Serkis|Andy Serkis]].<br />
;7 July 2022:New audiobook editions of the Wizards books {{COM}}, {{TLF}}, {{S}}, {{E}}, {{IT}}, {{TLC}} and {{UA}}, read by [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]], with matching paperback editions for every book except {{E}}.<br />
;1st September 2022:Publication of Special Edition paperback of {{TAM}}, featuring new illustrations by Laura Ellen Anderson and the story of how Terry came up with the idea, written by [[Rob Wilkins]]. Uses a version of the cover art from the 2018 Corgi edition.<br />
;29 September 2022:Publication of {{ALWF}} by [[Rob Wilkins]], and the film tie-in edition of {{TAM}}, with a cover using the logo and Maurice design from the film.<br />
;5 October 2022:Publication of new audiobook edition of {{TAM}} narrated by [[wikipedia:Ariyon Bakare|Ariyon Bakare]] (who plays Darktan in [[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|the film version]]). It has a cover matching the design of the other new editions, but it's not clear when (or if) there will be a matching paperback. <br />
;27 October 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Death books {{M}}, {{RM}}, {{SM}}, {{H}} and {{TOT}}, with matching audiobooks read by Sian Clifford, including a reissue of the {{H}} audiobook with a matching cover.<br />
;3 November 2022:Publication of new edition of {{TUC}} to tie-in with ''[[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|The Amazing Maurice]]'' film, with the title changed to the ''The Unadulterated Maurice'' and a new introduction by [[Rhianna Pratchett]]. <br />
;23 February 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the standalone books {{P}}, {{MP}}, {{TT}} and {{MR}}, plus matching audiobooks of ''The Truth'' (read by [[wikipedia:Mathew Baynton|Mathew Baynton]]) and ''Monstrous Regiment'' (read by [[wikipedia:Katherine Parkinson|Katherine Parkinson]]); and new editions of the Moist von Lipwig books {{GP}}, {{MM}} and {{RS}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Richard Coyle|Richard Coyle]], reprising his role as [[Moist von Lipwig]] from ''[[TV and Film:Going Postal|Going Postal]]''). In addition, Gollancz publishes a new paperback edition of {{E}} with a cover matching the new Penguin Rincewind books.<br />
;30 March 2023:New audiobook of {{P}} read by [[wikipedia:Alfred Enoch|Alfred Enoch]].<br />
;18 May 2023:Publication of new paperback edition of {{MP}}, with matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Jason Isaacs|Jason Isaacs]].<br />
;25 May 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the [[Ankh-Morpork City Watch|Watch]] books {{G!G!}}, {{MAA}}, {{FOC}}, {{J}}, {{TFE}}, {{NW}}, {{T!}} and {{SN}}, with matching audiobook editions read by [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]].<br />
;15 June 2023:Release of new audiobook editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}, read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] with [[wikipedia:Steven Cree|Steven Cree]] as the Nac Mac Feegle.<br />
;7 December 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}.<br />
;29 February 2024:Publication by Gollancz of a new paperback edition of {{TLH}}, featuring a cover matching Penguin’s new designs.<br />
<br />
==Cover Galleries==<br />
We're adding the new covers to the galleries of the book pages, but here they are collected together by series.<br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Witches Series|Witches Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:ER 2022.jpg|{{ER}}<br />
File:WS 2022.jpg|{{WS}}<br />
File:WA 2022.jpg|{{WA}}<br />
File:LL 2022.jpg|{{LL}}<br />
File:M!!! 2022.jpg|{{M!!!}}<br />
File:CJ 2022.jpg|{{CJ}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Wizards Series|Wizards Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCOM 2022.jpg|{{TCOM}}<br />
File:LF 2022.jpg|{{TLF}}<br />
File:S 2022.jpg|{{S}}<br />
File:E 2023.jpg|{{E}}<br />
File:IT 2022.jpg|{{IT}}<br />
File:TLC 2022.jpg|{{TLC}}<br />
File:UA 2022.jpg|{{UA}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Death Series|Death Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:M 2022.jpg|{{M}}<br />
File:RM 2022.jpg|{{RM}}<br />
File:SM 2022.jpg|{{SM}}<br />
File:H 2022.jpg|{{H}}<br />
File:TOT 2022.jpg|{{TOT}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Ankh-Morpork Series|Industrial Revolution Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GP 2023.jpg|{{GP}}<br />
File:MM 2023.jpg|{{MM}}<br />
File:RS 2023.jpg|{{RS}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Watch Series|City Watch Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GG 2023.jpg|{{G!G!}}<br />
File:MAA 2023.jpg|{{MAA}}<br />
File:FOC 2023.jpg|{{FOC}}<br />
File:J 2023.jpg|{{J}}<br />
File:TFE 2023.jpg|{{TFE}}<br />
File:NW 2023.jpg|{{NW}}<br />
File:T! 2023.jpg|{{T!}}<br />
File:SN 2023.jpg|{{SN}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Tiffany Series|Tiffany Aching Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:WFM 2023.jpg|{{WFM}}<br />
File:HFOS 2023.jpg|{{HFOS}}<br />
File:W 2023.jpg|{{W}}<br />
File:ISWM 2023.jpg|{{ISWM}}<br />
File:TSC 2023.jpg|{{TSC}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Standalone Discworld books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:P 2023.jpg|{{P}}<br />
File:MP 2023.jpg|{{MP}}<br />
File:SG 2022.jpg|{{SG}}<br />
File:TAM Special Edition.jpg|{{TAM}}<br />
File:TT 2023.jpg|{{TT}}<br />
File:TLH 2024.jpg|{{TLH}}<br />
File:MR 2023.jpg|{{MR}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Other books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCP 50.jpg|{{TCP}}<br/>(50th anniversary)<br />
File:H 25.jpg|{{H}}<br/>(25th anniversary)<br />
</gallery></div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=50_Years_of_Terry&diff=3525950 Years of Terry2024-03-24T12:07:39Z<p>Guybrush: /* Standalone Discworld books */</p>
<hr />
<div>'''50 Years of Terry''' was announced as a year long celebration of [[Terry Pratchett]], timed to begin on the 50th anniversary of the publication of his first novel, {{TCP}}. It was mainly visible in the release of new paperback and audiobook editions of the Discworld novels, with new matching cover designs cover art designed by [[Leo Nickolls]], referencing [[Paul Kidby]]'s character designs, and published for the first time under the Penguin imprint. The new paperbacks do not replace the current 2012-213 paperback editions, which use modified versions of [[Josh Kirby]]'s covers.<br />
<br />
== Timeline ==<br />
This includes all publications explicitly announced to be part of the celebration, as well as those that happen within the period. These are based on announced publication dates, which are primarily for the UK (though audiobook dates are usually international). Some regions (e.g. Australia) will see the new paperbacks a few months later. Many of these dates have been subject to change, and the celebration ended up extending beyond the officially announced year.<br />
<br />
;16 November 2021:New audiobooks announced.<br />
;9 December 2021:{{H}} audiobook, narrated by [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]], with the same cover art as the 25th Anniversary edition of the book released on 15 October 2021.<br />
;1 March 2022:New paperback editions announced.<br />
;22 April 2022:Official start of 50 Years of Terry. Publication of new 50th anniversary edition of {{TCP}}, and new audiobook read by [[wikipedia:David Tennant|David Tennant]].<br />
;28 April 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Witches books {{ER}}, {{WS}}, {{WA}}, {{LL}}, {{M!!!}} and {{CJ}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]], as well as a new paperback of {{SG}} with a matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Andy Serkis|Andy Serkis]].<br />
;7 July 2022:New paperback editions of the Wizards books {{COM}}, {{TLF}}, {{S}}, {{IT}}, {{TLC}} and {{UA}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]].<br />
;1st September 2022:Publication of Special Edition paperback of {{TAM}}, featuring new illustrations by Laura Ellen Anderson and the story of how Terry came up with the idea, written by [[Rob Wilkins]]. Uses a version of the cover art from the 2018 Corgi edition.<br />
;29 September 2022:Publication of {{ALWF}} by [[Rob Wilkins]], and the film tie-in edition of {{TAM}}, with a cover using the logo and Maurice design from the film.<br />
;5 October 2022:Publication of new audiobook edition of {{TAM}} narrated by [[wikipedia:Ariyon Bakare|Ariyon Bakare]] (who plays Darktan in [[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|the film version]]). It has a cover matching the design of the other new editions, but it's not clear when (or if) there will be a matching paperback. <br />
;27 October 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Death books {{M}}, {{RM}}, {{SM}}, {{H}} and {{TOT}}, with matching audiobooks read by Sian Clifford, including a reissue of the {{H}} audiobook with a matching cover.<br />
;3 November 2022:Publication of new edition of {{TUC}} to tie-in with ''[[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|The Amazing Maurice]]'' film, with the title changed to the ''The Unadulterated Maurice'' and a new introduction by [[Rhianna Pratchett]]. <br />
;23 February 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the standalone books {{P}}, {{MP}}, {{TT}} and {{MR}}, plus matching audiobooks of ''The Truth'' (read by [[wikipedia:Mathew Baynton|Mathew Baynton]]) and ''Monstrous Regiment'' (read by [[wikipedia:Katherine Parkinson|Katherine Parkinson]]); and new editions of the Moist von Lipwig books {{GP}}, {{MM}} and {{RS}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Richard Coyle|Richard Coyle]], reprising his role as [[Moist von Lipwig]] from ''[[TV and Film:Going Postal|Going Postal]]''). In addition, Gollancz publishes a new paperback edition of {{E}} with a cover matching the new Penguin Rincewind books.<br />
;30 March 2023:New audiobook of {{P}} read by [[wikipedia:Alfred Enoch|Alfred Enoch]].<br />
;18 May 2023:Publication of new paperback edition of {{MP}}, with matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Jason Isaacs|Jason Isaacs]].<br />
;25 May 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the [[Ankh-Morpork City Watch|Watch]] books {{G!G!}}, {{MAA}}, {{FOC}}, {{J}}, {{TFE}}, {{NW}}, {{T!}} and {{SN}}, with matching audiobook editions read by [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]].<br />
;15 June 2023:Release of new audiobook editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}, read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] with [[wikipedia:Steven Cree|Steven Cree]] as the Nac Mac Feegle.<br />
;7 December 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}.<br />
;29 February 2024:Publication by Gollancz of a new paperback edition of {{TLH}}, featuring a cover matching Penguin’s new designs.<br />
<br />
==Cover Galleries==<br />
We're adding the new covers to the galleries of the book pages, but here they are collected together by series.<br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Witches Series|Witches Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:ER 2022.jpg|{{ER}}<br />
File:WS 2022.jpg|{{WS}}<br />
File:WA 2022.jpg|{{WA}}<br />
File:LL 2022.jpg|{{LL}}<br />
File:M!!! 2022.jpg|{{M!!!}}<br />
File:CJ 2022.jpg|{{CJ}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Wizards Series|Wizards Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCOM 2022.jpg|{{TCOM}}<br />
File:LF 2022.jpg|{{TLF}}<br />
File:S 2022.jpg|{{S}}<br />
File:E 2023.jpg|{{E}}<br />
File:IT 2022.jpg|{{IT}}<br />
File:TLC 2022.jpg|{{TLC}}<br />
File:UA 2022.jpg|{{UA}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Death Series|Death Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:M 2022.jpg|{{M}}<br />
File:RM 2022.jpg|{{RM}}<br />
File:SM 2022.jpg|{{SM}}<br />
File:H 2022.jpg|{{H}}<br />
File:TOT 2022.jpg|{{TOT}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Ankh-Morpork Series|Industrial Revolution Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GP 2023.jpg|{{GP}}<br />
File:MM 2023.jpg|{{MM}}<br />
File:RS 2023.jpg|{{RS}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Watch Series|City Watch Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GG 2023.jpg|{{G!G!}}<br />
File:MAA 2023.jpg|{{MAA}}<br />
File:FOC 2023.jpg|{{FOC}}<br />
File:J 2023.jpg|{{J}}<br />
File:TFE 2023.jpg|{{TFE}}<br />
File:NW 2023.jpg|{{NW}}<br />
File:T! 2023.jpg|{{T!}}<br />
File:SN 2023.jpg|{{SN}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Tiffany Series|Tiffany Aching Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:WFM 2023.jpg|{{WFM}}<br />
File:HFOS 2023.jpg|{{HFOS}}<br />
File:W 2023.jpg|{{W}}<br />
File:ISWM 2023.jpg|{{ISWM}}<br />
File:TSC 2023.jpg|{{TSC}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Standalone Discworld books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:P 2023.jpg|{{P}}<br />
File:MP 2023.jpg|{{MP}}<br />
File:SG 2022.jpg|{{SG}}<br />
File:TAM Special Edition.jpg|{{TAM}}<br />
File:TT 2023.jpg|{{TT}}<br />
File:TLH 2024.jpg|{{TLH}}<br />
File:MR 2023.jpg|{{MR}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Other books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCP 50.jpg|{{TCP}}<br/>(50th anniversary)<br />
File:H 25.jpg|{{H}}<br/>(25th anniversary)<br />
</gallery></div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=50_Years_of_Terry&diff=3525850 Years of Terry2024-03-24T12:06:52Z<p>Guybrush: /* Cover Galleries */</p>
<hr />
<div>'''50 Years of Terry''' was announced as a year long celebration of [[Terry Pratchett]], timed to begin on the 50th anniversary of the publication of his first novel, {{TCP}}. It was mainly visible in the release of new paperback and audiobook editions of the Discworld novels, with new matching cover designs cover art designed by [[Leo Nickolls]], referencing [[Paul Kidby]]'s character designs, and published for the first time under the Penguin imprint. The new paperbacks do not replace the current 2012-213 paperback editions, which use modified versions of [[Josh Kirby]]'s covers.<br />
<br />
== Timeline ==<br />
This includes all publications explicitly announced to be part of the celebration, as well as those that happen within the period. These are based on announced publication dates, which are primarily for the UK (though audiobook dates are usually international). Some regions (e.g. Australia) will see the new paperbacks a few months later. Many of these dates have been subject to change, and the celebration ended up extending beyond the officially announced year.<br />
<br />
;16 November 2021:New audiobooks announced.<br />
;9 December 2021:{{H}} audiobook, narrated by [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]], with the same cover art as the 25th Anniversary edition of the book released on 15 October 2021.<br />
;1 March 2022:New paperback editions announced.<br />
;22 April 2022:Official start of 50 Years of Terry. Publication of new 50th anniversary edition of {{TCP}}, and new audiobook read by [[wikipedia:David Tennant|David Tennant]].<br />
;28 April 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Witches books {{ER}}, {{WS}}, {{WA}}, {{LL}}, {{M!!!}} and {{CJ}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]], as well as a new paperback of {{SG}} with a matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Andy Serkis|Andy Serkis]].<br />
;7 July 2022:New paperback editions of the Wizards books {{COM}}, {{TLF}}, {{S}}, {{IT}}, {{TLC}} and {{UA}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]].<br />
;1st September 2022:Publication of Special Edition paperback of {{TAM}}, featuring new illustrations by Laura Ellen Anderson and the story of how Terry came up with the idea, written by [[Rob Wilkins]]. Uses a version of the cover art from the 2018 Corgi edition.<br />
;29 September 2022:Publication of {{ALWF}} by [[Rob Wilkins]], and the film tie-in edition of {{TAM}}, with a cover using the logo and Maurice design from the film.<br />
;5 October 2022:Publication of new audiobook edition of {{TAM}} narrated by [[wikipedia:Ariyon Bakare|Ariyon Bakare]] (who plays Darktan in [[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|the film version]]). It has a cover matching the design of the other new editions, but it's not clear when (or if) there will be a matching paperback. <br />
;27 October 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Death books {{M}}, {{RM}}, {{SM}}, {{H}} and {{TOT}}, with matching audiobooks read by Sian Clifford, including a reissue of the {{H}} audiobook with a matching cover.<br />
;3 November 2022:Publication of new edition of {{TUC}} to tie-in with ''[[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|The Amazing Maurice]]'' film, with the title changed to the ''The Unadulterated Maurice'' and a new introduction by [[Rhianna Pratchett]]. <br />
;23 February 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the standalone books {{P}}, {{MP}}, {{TT}} and {{MR}}, plus matching audiobooks of ''The Truth'' (read by [[wikipedia:Mathew Baynton|Mathew Baynton]]) and ''Monstrous Regiment'' (read by [[wikipedia:Katherine Parkinson|Katherine Parkinson]]); and new editions of the Moist von Lipwig books {{GP}}, {{MM}} and {{RS}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Richard Coyle|Richard Coyle]], reprising his role as [[Moist von Lipwig]] from ''[[TV and Film:Going Postal|Going Postal]]''). In addition, Gollancz publishes a new paperback edition of {{E}} with a cover matching the new Penguin Rincewind books.<br />
;30 March 2023:New audiobook of {{P}} read by [[wikipedia:Alfred Enoch|Alfred Enoch]].<br />
;18 May 2023:Publication of new paperback edition of {{MP}}, with matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Jason Isaacs|Jason Isaacs]].<br />
;25 May 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the [[Ankh-Morpork City Watch|Watch]] books {{G!G!}}, {{MAA}}, {{FOC}}, {{J}}, {{TFE}}, {{NW}}, {{T!}} and {{SN}}, with matching audiobook editions read by [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]].<br />
;15 June 2023:Release of new audiobook editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}, read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] with [[wikipedia:Steven Cree|Steven Cree]] as the Nac Mac Feegle.<br />
;7 December 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}.<br />
;29 February 2024:Publication by Gollancz of a new paperback edition of {{TLH}}, featuring a cover matching Penguin’s new designs.<br />
<br />
==Cover Galleries==<br />
We're adding the new covers to the galleries of the book pages, but here they are collected together by series.<br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Witches Series|Witches Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:ER 2022.jpg|{{ER}}<br />
File:WS 2022.jpg|{{WS}}<br />
File:WA 2022.jpg|{{WA}}<br />
File:LL 2022.jpg|{{LL}}<br />
File:M!!! 2022.jpg|{{M!!!}}<br />
File:CJ 2022.jpg|{{CJ}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Wizards Series|Wizards Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCOM 2022.jpg|{{TCOM}}<br />
File:LF 2022.jpg|{{TLF}}<br />
File:S 2022.jpg|{{S}}<br />
File:E 2023.jpg|{{E}}<br />
File:IT 2022.jpg|{{IT}}<br />
File:TLC 2022.jpg|{{TLC}}<br />
File:UA 2022.jpg|{{UA}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Death Series|Death Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:M 2022.jpg|{{M}}<br />
File:RM 2022.jpg|{{RM}}<br />
File:SM 2022.jpg|{{SM}}<br />
File:H 2022.jpg|{{H}}<br />
File:TOT 2022.jpg|{{TOT}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Ankh-Morpork Series|Industrial Revolution Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GP 2023.jpg|{{GP}}<br />
File:MM 2023.jpg|{{MM}}<br />
File:RS 2023.jpg|{{RS}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Watch Series|City Watch Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GG 2023.jpg|{{G!G!}}<br />
File:MAA 2023.jpg|{{MAA}}<br />
File:FOC 2023.jpg|{{FOC}}<br />
File:J 2023.jpg|{{J}}<br />
File:TFE 2023.jpg|{{TFE}}<br />
File:NW 2023.jpg|{{NW}}<br />
File:T! 2023.jpg|{{T!}}<br />
File:SN 2023.jpg|{{SN}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Tiffany Series|Tiffany Aching Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:WFM 2023.jpg|{{WFM}}<br />
File:HFOS 2023.jpg|{{HFOS}}<br />
File:W 2023.jpg|{{W}}<br />
File:ISWM 2023.jpg|{{ISWM}}<br />
File:TSC 2023.jpg|{{TSC}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Standalone Discworld books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:P 2023.jpg|{{P}}<br />
File:MP 2023.jpg|{{MP}}<br />
File:SG 2022.jpg|{{SG}}<br />
File:TAM Special Edition.jpg|{{TAM}}<br />
File:TT 2023.jpg|{{TT}}<br />
File:TLH 2024.jph|{{TLH}}<br />
File:MR 2023.jpg|{{MR}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Other books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCP 50.jpg|{{TCP}}<br/>(50th anniversary)<br />
File:H 25.jpg|{{H}}<br/>(25th anniversary)<br />
</gallery></div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=50_Years_of_Terry&diff=3525750 Years of Terry2024-03-24T12:06:32Z<p>Guybrush: /* Timeline */</p>
<hr />
<div>'''50 Years of Terry''' was announced as a year long celebration of [[Terry Pratchett]], timed to begin on the 50th anniversary of the publication of his first novel, {{TCP}}. It was mainly visible in the release of new paperback and audiobook editions of the Discworld novels, with new matching cover designs cover art designed by [[Leo Nickolls]], referencing [[Paul Kidby]]'s character designs, and published for the first time under the Penguin imprint. The new paperbacks do not replace the current 2012-213 paperback editions, which use modified versions of [[Josh Kirby]]'s covers.<br />
<br />
== Timeline ==<br />
This includes all publications explicitly announced to be part of the celebration, as well as those that happen within the period. These are based on announced publication dates, which are primarily for the UK (though audiobook dates are usually international). Some regions (e.g. Australia) will see the new paperbacks a few months later. Many of these dates have been subject to change, and the celebration ended up extending beyond the officially announced year.<br />
<br />
;16 November 2021:New audiobooks announced.<br />
;9 December 2021:{{H}} audiobook, narrated by [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]], with the same cover art as the 25th Anniversary edition of the book released on 15 October 2021.<br />
;1 March 2022:New paperback editions announced.<br />
;22 April 2022:Official start of 50 Years of Terry. Publication of new 50th anniversary edition of {{TCP}}, and new audiobook read by [[wikipedia:David Tennant|David Tennant]].<br />
;28 April 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Witches books {{ER}}, {{WS}}, {{WA}}, {{LL}}, {{M!!!}} and {{CJ}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]], as well as a new paperback of {{SG}} with a matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Andy Serkis|Andy Serkis]].<br />
;7 July 2022:New paperback editions of the Wizards books {{COM}}, {{TLF}}, {{S}}, {{IT}}, {{TLC}} and {{UA}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]].<br />
;1st September 2022:Publication of Special Edition paperback of {{TAM}}, featuring new illustrations by Laura Ellen Anderson and the story of how Terry came up with the idea, written by [[Rob Wilkins]]. Uses a version of the cover art from the 2018 Corgi edition.<br />
;29 September 2022:Publication of {{ALWF}} by [[Rob Wilkins]], and the film tie-in edition of {{TAM}}, with a cover using the logo and Maurice design from the film.<br />
;5 October 2022:Publication of new audiobook edition of {{TAM}} narrated by [[wikipedia:Ariyon Bakare|Ariyon Bakare]] (who plays Darktan in [[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|the film version]]). It has a cover matching the design of the other new editions, but it's not clear when (or if) there will be a matching paperback. <br />
;27 October 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Death books {{M}}, {{RM}}, {{SM}}, {{H}} and {{TOT}}, with matching audiobooks read by Sian Clifford, including a reissue of the {{H}} audiobook with a matching cover.<br />
;3 November 2022:Publication of new edition of {{TUC}} to tie-in with ''[[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|The Amazing Maurice]]'' film, with the title changed to the ''The Unadulterated Maurice'' and a new introduction by [[Rhianna Pratchett]]. <br />
;23 February 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the standalone books {{P}}, {{MP}}, {{TT}} and {{MR}}, plus matching audiobooks of ''The Truth'' (read by [[wikipedia:Mathew Baynton|Mathew Baynton]]) and ''Monstrous Regiment'' (read by [[wikipedia:Katherine Parkinson|Katherine Parkinson]]); and new editions of the Moist von Lipwig books {{GP}}, {{MM}} and {{RS}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Richard Coyle|Richard Coyle]], reprising his role as [[Moist von Lipwig]] from ''[[TV and Film:Going Postal|Going Postal]]''). In addition, Gollancz publishes a new paperback edition of {{E}} with a cover matching the new Penguin Rincewind books.<br />
;30 March 2023:New audiobook of {{P}} read by [[wikipedia:Alfred Enoch|Alfred Enoch]].<br />
;18 May 2023:Publication of new paperback edition of {{MP}}, with matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Jason Isaacs|Jason Isaacs]].<br />
;25 May 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the [[Ankh-Morpork City Watch|Watch]] books {{G!G!}}, {{MAA}}, {{FOC}}, {{J}}, {{TFE}}, {{NW}}, {{T!}} and {{SN}}, with matching audiobook editions read by [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]].<br />
;15 June 2023:Release of new audiobook editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}, read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] with [[wikipedia:Steven Cree|Steven Cree]] as the Nac Mac Feegle.<br />
;7 December 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}.<br />
;29 February 2024:Publication by Gollancz of a new paperback edition of {{TLH}}, featuring a cover matching Penguin’s new designs.<br />
<br />
==Cover Galleries==<br />
We're adding the new covers to the galleries of the book pages, but here they are collected together by series.<br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Witches Series|Witches Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:ER 2022.jpg|{{ER}}<br />
File:WS 2022.jpg|{{WS}}<br />
File:WA 2022.jpg|{{WA}}<br />
File:LL 2022.jpg|{{LL}}<br />
File:M!!! 2022.jpg|{{M!!!}}<br />
File:CJ 2022.jpg|{{CJ}}<br />
</gallery><br />
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===[[:Category:Wizards Series|Wizards Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCOM 2022.jpg|{{TCOM}}<br />
File:LF 2022.jpg|{{TLF}}<br />
File:S 2022.jpg|{{S}}<br />
File:E 2022.jpg|{{E}}<br />
File:IT 2022.jpg|{{IT}}<br />
File:TLC 2022.jpg|{{TLC}}<br />
File:UA 2022.jpg|{{UA}}<br />
</gallery><br />
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===[[:Category:Death Series|Death Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:M 2022.jpg|{{M}}<br />
File:RM 2022.jpg|{{RM}}<br />
File:SM 2022.jpg|{{SM}}<br />
File:H 2022.jpg|{{H}}<br />
File:TOT 2022.jpg|{{TOT}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Ankh-Morpork Series|Industrial Revolution Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GP 2023.jpg|{{GP}}<br />
File:MM 2023.jpg|{{MM}}<br />
File:RS 2023.jpg|{{RS}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Watch Series|City Watch Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GG 2023.jpg|{{G!G!}}<br />
File:MAA 2023.jpg|{{MAA}}<br />
File:FOC 2023.jpg|{{FOC}}<br />
File:J 2023.jpg|{{J}}<br />
File:TFE 2023.jpg|{{TFE}}<br />
File:NW 2023.jpg|{{NW}}<br />
File:T! 2023.jpg|{{T!}}<br />
File:SN 2023.jpg|{{SN}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Tiffany Series|Tiffany Aching Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:WFM 2023.jpg|{{WFM}}<br />
File:HFOS 2023.jpg|{{HFOS}}<br />
File:W 2023.jpg|{{W}}<br />
File:ISWM 2023.jpg|{{ISWM}}<br />
File:TSC 2023.jpg|{{TSC}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Standalone Discworld books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:P 2023.jpg|{{P}}<br />
File:MP 2023.jpg|{{MP}}<br />
File:SG 2022.jpg|{{SG}}<br />
File:TAM Special Edition.jpg|{{TAM}}<br />
File:TT 2023.jpg|{{TT}}<br />
File:TLH 2024.jph|{{TLH}}<br />
File:MR 2023.jpg|{{MR}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Other books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCP 50.jpg|{{TCP}}<br/>(50th anniversary)<br />
File:H 25.jpg|{{H}}<br/>(25th anniversary)<br />
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<div>{{Book Data<br />
|title=Eric<br />
|cover=[[File:Cover Eric (alt).jpg |thumb|240px|Cover art by Josh Kirby]]<br />
|coauthors=<br />
|illustrator=[[Josh Kirby]]<br />
|date=August 1990<br />
|publisher=Victor Gollancz<br />
|isbn=0575600012<br />
|pages=160<br />
|rrp=<br />
|series=Rincewind Series<br />
|characters=[[Rincewind]], [[Eric]], [[Death]], [[The Luggage]]<br />
|annotations=<br />
|notes= <br />
}}<br />
==Blurb==<br />
Eric is the [[Discworld (world)|Discworld]]'s only demonology hacker. Pity he's not very good at it.<br />
<br />
All he wants is three wishes granted. Nothing fancy - to be immortal, rule the world, have the most beautiful woman in the world fall madly in love with him, the usual stuff. But instead of a tractable demon, he calls up Rincewind, probably the most incompetent wizard in the universe, and the extremely intractable and hostile form of travel accessory known as the Luggage.<br />
<br />
With them on his side, Eric's in for a ride through space and time that is bound to make him wish (quite fervently) again - this time that he'd never been born.<br />
<br />
==Plot Summary==<br />
As indicated by the crossed-out portion of the title, a parody of {{wp|Faust|Faust}}.<br />
<br />
On a blazingly hot Ankh-Morpork summer afternoon, Rincewind the wizard, trapped in the [[Dungeon Dimensions]] after the events of {{S}}, attempts to return to the Disc.<br />
<br />
His attempted return attracts the attention of [[Death]] (who is pretty much used to Rincewind doing unusual things), and the [[wizards]], who ultimately use the [[Rite of AshkEnte]] to get Death to tell them what is going on.<br />
<br />
Meanwhile, demonologist Eric Thursley attempts to summon a [[Demons|demon]], managing to rescue Rincewind in the process (unknown to either, Duke Vassenego arranges this as part of his plot against Astfgl).<br />
<br />
Rincewind convinces Eric that he's not a demon, but the sudden appearance of the Luggage (which follows Rincewind everywhere) convinces Eric that he was right in the first place. Eric then makes three wishes:<br />
<br />
* mastery of the kingdoms of the world<br />
* meeting the most beautiful woman who has ever lived<br />
* living for ever (the text reads "for ever", which becomes a significant point later; presumably Eric wanted to live "forever", which is a little different)<br />
<br />
and a chest of gold "just to be getting on with it".<br />
<br />
Meanwhile, Astfgl, the new King of the Demons, is trying to adjust to his new position, annoyed that:<br />
<br />
* no one can pronounce his name yet<br />
* the "old guard" almost-but-not-quite disobey him, and are plotting against him<br />
* the Gods ignore him<br />
<br />
To demonstrate he has no power, Rincewind snaps his fingers, transporting himself and Eric about a thousand miles above the Disc. A second snap transports them to a [[Tezuman Empire]] (ruled by the [[Great Muzuma]]). The Tezumen (plural of Tezuman) accept Eric as Ruler of the World, and shower him with tribute and speeches.<br />
<br />
The Tezumen, however, have not invented paper (communication between them and Eric/Rincewind is via stone tablet), nor the wheel (they use disks with holes as jewelry, currency, and hats, but not as wheels), and their calendar counts down, giving them a suicidally gloomy and pessimistic view of life (well, that, plus the swamps, hummingbird-sized mosquitoes, lack of metal ore, volcanoes, weather, etc).<br />
<br />
After Rincewind rescues explorer Ponce da Quirm (who's wasted all his life searching for the Fountain of Youth), he learns (by reading a large collection of stone blocks) that the Tezumen intend to kill (in an exquisitely painful manner) the Ruler of the World (ie, Eric), and Rincewind. Rincewind and da Quirm try to leave quietly, but are captured.<br />
<br />
Just as they're about to be killed, the Tezuman god Quezovercoatl appears. Contrary to his appearance in visions and statues, he is only 6 inches high. As he's about to give the Tezumen Astfgl's new directive, he is crushed by the Luggage (requiring him to spend several centuries regenerating in one of the nether hells, since demons apparently can't die), which is racing to re-unite with Rincewind.<br />
<br />
The Tezumen release Rincewind, Eric, and da Quirm, and decide to worship the Luggage as a God. Rincewind gives Eric's parrot to da Quirm as a present.<br />
<br />
Rincewind snaps his fingers again, landing himself and Eric in the Tsortean Horse, a ruse concocted by Ephebian leader Lavaeolus to conquer the city of Tsort. Lavaeolus correctly assumes that the Tsorteans will think the horse contains an invading force. Instead, while the Tsorteans are waiting for the Ephebians to come out of the horse, the Ephebians "nip round the back" and slip in through Tsort's unguarded back gate, accidentally assisted by Rincewind and Eric, who were trying to leave.<br />
<br />
Despite his best efforts, Rincewind is influential in getting Eric to meet the beautiful Elenor.<br />
<br />
Rincewind and Eric are sent back in time to when the Creator was making the world. They have a discussion about the Discworld. Later, Rincewind and Eric discuss the meaning of living forever. Rincewind tosses his egg and cress sandwich into the water, starting the formation of life. Eric's wishes are now used up, requiring Rincewind to find a way to save them.<br />
<br />
Rincewind and Eric are then sent to [[Hell]], which they basically run through, meeting Ponce da Quirm and Eric's Parrot. Ponce da Quirm explains that he found the Fountain of Youth, but forgot to boil any still water found in the wild, and subsequently died from the bacteria in the water. At the end of the book, Rincewind and Eric escape, and Astfgl is promoted to Lifetime President of Hell, a mainly maintenance job, which he is completely happy with.<br />
<br />
==Characters==<br />
===Main characters===<br />
* [[Eric]]<br />
* [[Rincewind]]<br />
* [[The Luggage]]<br />
<br />
===Minor characters===<br />
* Archchancellor [[Ezrolith Churn]]<br />
* [[Astfgl]], King of Hell<br />
* [[Elenor]] of [[Tsort]]<br />
* [[Lavaeolus]] <br />
* The [[Librarian]]<br />
* [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
* [[Quezovercoatl]], the Feathered Boa, a parody of {{wp|Quetzalcoatl|Quetzalcoatl}}<br />
* [[Ponce da Quirm]], parody of {{wp|Juan_Ponce_de_Le%C3%B3n|Ponce de Leon}}<br />
* The [[Creator]]<br />
* [[Death]]<br />
<br />
==Cameos==<br />
* [[Herrena the Henna-Haired Harridan]]<br />
* [[Red Scharron]]<br />
* [[Diome, Witch of the Night]]<br />
* [[Senior Tutor]]<br />
* [[Private Archeios]], a private who looks after a child<br />
* [[Urglefloggah]], Spawn of the Pit and Loathly Guardian of the Dread Portal<br />
* [[Azaremoth]], Stench of Dog Breath, a demon who guards a parody of {{wp|Tityus|Tityus}} (whose liver was eaten by two vultures) and/or {{wp|Prometheus|Prometheus}} (whose constantly-regenerating liver was eaten by an eagle, albeit not in Hades)<br />
* [[Lord Vizzimuth]], a demon who reads "Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects" to a parody of {{wp|Sisyphus|Sisyphus}}<br />
* [[Earl Beezlemoth]] a lord of hell, shocked by the tortures humans can think up<br />
<br />
==Locations==<br />
* [[Pseudopolis]]<br />
* [[Ankh-Morpork]]<br />
* [[Death's Domain]]<br />
* [[Hell]]<br />
* [[Klatch (continent)|Klatch]]<br />
**[[Tezuman Empire]]<br />
* [[Quirm]]<br />
* [[Tsort]]<br />
<br />
==Sentient Species==<br />
*[[Gorgon|Gorgons]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Humans]]<br />
<br />
==Supernatural Entities==<br />
*[[Creator|The Creator]]<br />
*[[Demons]] <br />
*[[Death]]<br />
*[[The gods|The Gods]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Imps]]<br />
*[[Dungeon Dimensions|Horrors from the Dungeon Dimensions]] (mentioned)<br />
<br />
==Things/People Mentioned==<br />
* [[The Joy of Tantric Sex|The Joy of Tantric Sex with Illustrations for the Advanced Student, by A.Lady]] (parodying books like {{wp|Story_of_O|The Story of O}} and {{wp|Joy_of_Sex|The Joy of Sex}} and authors with names like "J" (an alias of {{wp|Joan_Garrity|Joan Garrity}})) and Roundworld books published anonymously, such as Jane Austen's first novel. <br />
* [[Some Little Known Aspects of Kuian Rain-making Rituals]], a seven-volume treatise by Ezrolith Churn<br />
* [[Names of the Ants]], a book by [[Humptemper]]<br />
* [[Ku]], continent that sank slowly (over a period of 30 years) into the sea, a parody of {{wp|Atlantis|Atlantis}}<br />
* [[Old Tom]], [[Unseen University]]'s magical clock that tolls out silences every hour<br />
* Riinjswin and Winswin, demons with names similar to Rincewind's<br />
* [[Mallificarum Sumpta Diabolicite Occularis Singularum]], a demon-summoning book whose initials parody {{wp|MSDOS|MSDOS}}<br />
* [[succubus]], a type of demon that makes mad passionate wossname<br />
* [[neuralger]], a type of demon that has a headache at you<br />
* [[Mirror of Souls]], demon device that can be used to show events anywhere, any time<br />
* [[the Fountain of Youth]], a rejuvenating fountain with apparently tainted water<br />
* The [[Tsortean Horse]], a parody of the {{wp|Trojan_Horse|Trojan Horse}}<br />
* The [[Tsortean Wars]], in which Ephebe attempts to rescue a reluctant Elenor<br />
* [[Corporal Disuse]], a corporal whose squad is consumed by the Luggage<br />
* [[Mr Beekle]], a possibly fictional person referred to by a child on a potty<br />
* [[King Mausoleum]], king of Tsort, who kidnapped and married Elenor<br />
* [[The Ball of Philodelphus]], a song popular with soldiers, parody of ''The Ball of Kerrymuir''.<br />
* [[Heliodeliphilodelphiboschromenos]], an Ephebian city with vestal virgins<br />
* [[Big Bang Hypothesis]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Continuous Creation]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects]], a demon book<br />
* [[Throne of Dread]], where the king of Hell sits<br />
<br />
==Illustrations==<br />
The original edition of ''Eric'' was a large-format paperback published by Gollancz featuring fifteen illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]]. Afterwards a standard Corgi paperback of ''Eric'' was published without the illustrations, though a detail from one of them was used as the cover. The illustrations were reinstated for a later smaller format edition under the title ''[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|The Illustrated Eric]]''.<br />
<br />
==Adaptations==<br />
===[[Radio Adaptations|Radio]]===<br />
Adapted for BBC Radio 4 in 2013, directed by Joquil Panting.<br />
<br />
Cast:<br />
*Mark Heap: [[Rincewind]]<br />
*Jeffrey Whitehead: [[Death]]<br />
*Will Howard: [[Eric Thursley]]<br />
*Ben Crowe: Parrot, Sergeant, [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
*Nicholas Murchie: [[Astfgl]]<br />
*Christine Absalom: Mother, [[Elenor]]<br />
*Jack Klaff: [[Ponce da Quirm]], Urglefloggah<br />
*Rick Warden: Narrator, [[Lavaeolus]]<br />
*Micheal Shelford: Screwpate<br />
*Robert Blythe: [[Ezrolith Churn|Archchancellor]], [[Quetzovercoatl]], [[Creator]]<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
Rincewind is present when the Creator reads the [[Octavo]] to create the universe. This might explain why one of the Octavo's spells chooses to jump into Rincewind's mind when it sees him: it recognises him from the time of creation.<br />
<br />
==Other Stuff==<br />
*Ninth published Discworld book<br />
*Fourth book in the series of Rincewind-books<br />
*First illustrated Discworld book<br />
*Originally published in Great Britain by Victor Gollancz Ltd. London<br />Copyright (c) 1990 by Terry and Lyn Pratchett<br />
*Cover and internal illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]]<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
{|<br />
|-<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:EricFirstEdition.jpg|120px|thumb|First Edition Cover by [[Josh Kirby]]]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E FirstPaper.jpg|thumb|120px|First paperback editon]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Vista.jpg|thumb|120px|Vista paperback]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Black.jpg|thumb|120px|Paperback 2004 (Italian)]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Tape.jpg|thumb|120px|Audio Cassette]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E CD.jpg|thumb|120px|Audio CD]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Roc.jpg|thumb|120px|Paperback ROC Publishing]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E G50.jpg|thumb|120px|[[Gollancz]] Top 50 edition]]<br />
|}<br />
{|<br />
|-<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E US.jpg|thumb|120px|US Cover]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:IllustratedEricCover.jpg|thumb|120px|[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|Illustrated Edition]]]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Unseen.jpg|thumb|120px|Unseen Library Edition]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E CL.jpg|thumb|120px|Collectors Library Edition]]<br />
| valign=“top” | [[File:E 2023.jpg|thumb|120px|Gollancz "50 Years of Terry" edition]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
[http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/eric.html ''Eric'' Annotations - The Annotated Pratchett File]<br />
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{{series|before=Guards! Guards!|series=Discworld|after=Moving Pictures}}<br />
{{series|series=Rincewind|before=Sourcery|after=Interesting Times}}<br />
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[[Category:Discworld Series|Eric]]<br />
[[Category:Rincewind Series|Eric]]<br />
[[Category:Graphic Novels|Eric]]<br />
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
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<div>{{Book Data<br />
|title=Eric<br />
|cover=[[File:Cover Eric (alt).jpg |thumb|240px|Cover art by Josh Kirby]]<br />
|coauthors=<br />
|illustrator=[[Josh Kirby]]<br />
|date=August 1990<br />
|publisher=Victor Gollancz<br />
|isbn=0575600012<br />
|pages=160<br />
|rrp=<br />
|series=Rincewind Series<br />
|characters=[[Rincewind]], [[Eric]], [[Death]], [[The Luggage]]<br />
|annotations=<br />
|notes= <br />
}}<br />
==Blurb==<br />
Eric is the [[Discworld (world)|Discworld]]'s only demonology hacker. Pity he's not very good at it.<br />
<br />
All he wants is three wishes granted. Nothing fancy - to be immortal, rule the world, have the most beautiful woman in the world fall madly in love with him, the usual stuff. But instead of a tractable demon, he calls up Rincewind, probably the most incompetent wizard in the universe, and the extremely intractable and hostile form of travel accessory known as the Luggage.<br />
<br />
With them on his side, Eric's in for a ride through space and time that is bound to make him wish (quite fervently) again - this time that he'd never been born.<br />
<br />
==Plot Summary==<br />
As indicated by the crossed-out portion of the title, a parody of {{wp|Faust|Faust}}.<br />
<br />
On a blazingly hot Ankh-Morpork summer afternoon, Rincewind the wizard, trapped in the [[Dungeon Dimensions]] after the events of {{S}}, attempts to return to the Disc.<br />
<br />
His attempted return attracts the attention of [[Death]] (who is pretty much used to Rincewind doing unusual things), and the [[wizards]], who ultimately use the [[Rite of AshkEnte]] to get Death to tell them what is going on.<br />
<br />
Meanwhile, demonologist Eric Thursley attempts to summon a [[Demons|demon]], managing to rescue Rincewind in the process (unknown to either, Duke Vassenego arranges this as part of his plot against Astfgl).<br />
<br />
Rincewind convinces Eric that he's not a demon, but the sudden appearance of the Luggage (which follows Rincewind everywhere) convinces Eric that he was right in the first place. Eric then makes three wishes:<br />
<br />
* mastery of the kingdoms of the world<br />
* meeting the most beautiful woman who has ever lived<br />
* living for ever (the text reads "for ever", which becomes a significant point later; presumably Eric wanted to live "forever", which is a little different)<br />
<br />
and a chest of gold "just to be getting on with it".<br />
<br />
Meanwhile, Astfgl, the new King of the Demons, is trying to adjust to his new position, annoyed that:<br />
<br />
* no one can pronounce his name yet<br />
* the "old guard" almost-but-not-quite disobey him, and are plotting against him<br />
* the Gods ignore him<br />
<br />
To demonstrate he has no power, Rincewind snaps his fingers, transporting himself and Eric about a thousand miles above the Disc. A second snap transports them to a [[Tezuman Empire]] (ruled by the [[Great Muzuma]]). The Tezumen (plural of Tezuman) accept Eric as Ruler of the World, and shower him with tribute and speeches.<br />
<br />
The Tezumen, however, have not invented paper (communication between them and Eric/Rincewind is via stone tablet), nor the wheel (they use disks with holes as jewelry, currency, and hats, but not as wheels), and their calendar counts down, giving them a suicidally gloomy and pessimistic view of life (well, that, plus the swamps, hummingbird-sized mosquitoes, lack of metal ore, volcanoes, weather, etc).<br />
<br />
After Rincewind rescues explorer Ponce da Quirm (who's wasted all his life searching for the Fountain of Youth), he learns (by reading a large collection of stone blocks) that the Tezumen intend to kill (in an exquisitely painful manner) the Ruler of the World (ie, Eric), and Rincewind. Rincewind and da Quirm try to leave quietly, but are captured.<br />
<br />
Just as they're about to be killed, the Tezuman god Quezovercoatl appears. Contrary to his appearance in visions and statues, he is only 6 inches high. As he's about to give the Tezumen Astfgl's new directive, he is crushed by the Luggage (requiring him to spend several centuries regenerating in one of the nether hells, since demons apparently can't die), which is racing to re-unite with Rincewind.<br />
<br />
The Tezumen release Rincewind, Eric, and da Quirm, and decide to worship the Luggage as a God. Rincewind gives Eric's parrot to da Quirm as a present.<br />
<br />
Rincewind snaps his fingers again, landing himself and Eric in the Tsortean Horse, a ruse concocted by Ephebian leader Lavaeolus to conquer the city of Tsort. Lavaeolus correctly assumes that the Tsorteans will think the horse contains an invading force. Instead, while the Tsorteans are waiting for the Ephebians to come out of the horse, the Ephebians "nip round the back" and slip in through Tsort's unguarded back gate, accidentally assisted by Rincewind and Eric, who were trying to leave.<br />
<br />
Despite his best efforts, Rincewind is influential in getting Eric to meet the beautiful Elenor.<br />
<br />
Rincewind and Eric are sent back in time to when the Creator was making the world. They have a discussion about the Discworld. Later, Rincewind and Eric discuss the meaning of living forever. Rincewind tosses his egg and cress sandwich into the water, starting the formation of life. Eric's wishes are now used up, requiring Rincewind to find a way to save them.<br />
<br />
Rincewind and Eric are then sent to [[Hell]], which they basically run through, meeting Ponce da Quirm and Eric's Parrot. Ponce da Quirm explains that he found the Fountain of Youth, but forgot to boil any still water found in the wild, and subsequently died from the bacteria in the water. At the end of the book, Rincewind and Eric escape, and Astfgl is promoted to Lifetime President of Hell, a mainly maintenance job, which he is completely happy with.<br />
<br />
==Characters==<br />
===Main characters===<br />
* [[Eric]]<br />
* [[Rincewind]]<br />
* [[The Luggage]]<br />
<br />
===Minor characters===<br />
* Archchancellor [[Ezrolith Churn]]<br />
* [[Astfgl]], King of Hell<br />
* [[Elenor]] of [[Tsort]]<br />
* [[Lavaeolus]] <br />
* The [[Librarian]]<br />
* [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
* [[Quezovercoatl]], the Feathered Boa, a parody of {{wp|Quetzalcoatl|Quetzalcoatl}}<br />
* [[Ponce da Quirm]], parody of {{wp|Juan_Ponce_de_Le%C3%B3n|Ponce de Leon}}<br />
* The [[Creator]]<br />
* [[Death]]<br />
<br />
==Cameos==<br />
* [[Herrena the Henna-Haired Harridan]]<br />
* [[Red Scharron]]<br />
* [[Diome, Witch of the Night]]<br />
* [[Senior Tutor]]<br />
* [[Private Archeios]], a private who looks after a child<br />
* [[Urglefloggah]], Spawn of the Pit and Loathly Guardian of the Dread Portal<br />
* [[Azaremoth]], Stench of Dog Breath, a demon who guards a parody of {{wp|Tityus|Tityus}} (whose liver was eaten by two vultures) and/or {{wp|Prometheus|Prometheus}} (whose constantly-regenerating liver was eaten by an eagle, albeit not in Hades)<br />
* [[Lord Vizzimuth]], a demon who reads "Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects" to a parody of {{wp|Sisyphus|Sisyphus}}<br />
* [[Earl Beezlemoth]] a lord of hell, shocked by the tortures humans can think up<br />
<br />
==Locations==<br />
* [[Pseudopolis]]<br />
* [[Ankh-Morpork]]<br />
* [[Death's Domain]]<br />
* [[Hell]]<br />
* [[Klatch (continent)|Klatch]]<br />
**[[Tezuman Empire]]<br />
* [[Quirm]]<br />
* [[Tsort]]<br />
<br />
==Sentient Species==<br />
*[[Gorgon|Gorgons]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Humans]]<br />
<br />
==Supernatural Entities==<br />
*[[Creator|The Creator]]<br />
*[[Demons]] <br />
*[[Death]]<br />
*[[The gods|The Gods]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Imps]]<br />
*[[Dungeon Dimensions|Horrors from the Dungeon Dimensions]] (mentioned)<br />
<br />
==Things/People Mentioned==<br />
* [[The Joy of Tantric Sex|The Joy of Tantric Sex with Illustrations for the Advanced Student, by A.Lady]] (parodying books like {{wp|Story_of_O|The Story of O}} and {{wp|Joy_of_Sex|The Joy of Sex}} and authors with names like "J" (an alias of {{wp|Joan_Garrity|Joan Garrity}})) and Roundworld books published anonymously, such as Jane Austen's first novel. <br />
* [[Some Little Known Aspects of Kuian Rain-making Rituals]], a seven-volume treatise by Ezrolith Churn<br />
* [[Names of the Ants]], a book by [[Humptemper]]<br />
* [[Ku]], continent that sank slowly (over a period of 30 years) into the sea, a parody of {{wp|Atlantis|Atlantis}}<br />
* [[Old Tom]], [[Unseen University]]'s magical clock that tolls out silences every hour<br />
* Riinjswin and Winswin, demons with names similar to Rincewind's<br />
* [[Mallificarum Sumpta Diabolicite Occularis Singularum]], a demon-summoning book whose initials parody {{wp|MSDOS|MSDOS}}<br />
* [[succubus]], a type of demon that makes mad passionate wossname<br />
* [[neuralger]], a type of demon that has a headache at you<br />
* [[Mirror of Souls]], demon device that can be used to show events anywhere, any time<br />
* [[the Fountain of Youth]], a rejuvenating fountain with apparently tainted water<br />
* The [[Tsortean Horse]], a parody of the {{wp|Trojan_Horse|Trojan Horse}}<br />
* The [[Tsortean Wars]], in which Ephebe attempts to rescue a reluctant Elenor<br />
* [[Corporal Disuse]], a corporal whose squad is consumed by the Luggage<br />
* [[Mr Beekle]], a possibly fictional person referred to by a child on a potty<br />
* [[King Mausoleum]], king of Tsort, who kidnapped and married Elenor<br />
* [[The Ball of Philodelphus]], a song popular with soldiers, parody of ''The Ball of Kerrymuir''.<br />
* [[Heliodeliphilodelphiboschromenos]], an Ephebian city with vestal virgins<br />
* [[Big Bang Hypothesis]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Continuous Creation]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects]], a demon book<br />
* [[Throne of Dread]], where the king of Hell sits<br />
<br />
==Illustrations==<br />
The original edition of ''Eric'' was a large-format paperback published by Gollancz featuring fifteen illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]]. Afterwards a standard Corgi paperback of ''Eric'' was published without the illustrations, though a detail from one of them was used as the cover. The illustrations were reinstated for a later smaller format edition under the title ''[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|The Illustrated Eric]]''.<br />
<br />
==Adaptations==<br />
===[[Radio Adaptations|Radio]]===<br />
Adapted for BBC Radio 4 in 2013, directed by Joquil Panting.<br />
<br />
Cast:<br />
*Mark Heap: [[Rincewind]]<br />
*Jeffrey Whitehead: [[Death]]<br />
*Will Howard: [[Eric Thursley]]<br />
*Ben Crowe: Parrot, Sergeant, [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
*Nicholas Murchie: [[Astfgl]]<br />
*Christine Absalom: Mother, [[Elenor]]<br />
*Jack Klaff: [[Ponce da Quirm]], Urglefloggah<br />
*Rick Warden: Narrator, [[Lavaeolus]]<br />
*Micheal Shelford: Screwpate<br />
*Robert Blythe: [[Ezrolith Churn|Archchancellor]], [[Quetzovercoatl]], [[Creator]]<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
Rincewind is present when the Creator reads the [[Octavo]] to create the universe. This might explain why one of the Octavo's spells chooses to jump into Rincewind's mind when it sees him: it recognises him from the time of creation.<br />
<br />
==Other Stuff==<br />
*Ninth published Discworld book<br />
*Fourth book in the series of Rincewind-books<br />
*First illustrated Discworld book<br />
*Originally published in Great Britain by Victor Gollancz Ltd. London<br />Copyright (c) 1990 by Terry and Lyn Pratchett<br />
*Cover and internal illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]]<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
{|<br />
|-<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:EricFirstEdition.jpg|120px|thumb|First Edition Cover by [[Josh Kirby]]]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E FirstPaper.jpg|thumb|120px|First paperback editon]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Vista.jpg|thumb|120px|Vista paperback]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Black.jpg|thumb|120px|Paperback 2004 (Italian)]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Tape.jpg|thumb|120px|Audio Cassette]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E CD.jpg|thumb|120px|Audio CD]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Roc.jpg|thumb|120px|Paperback ROC Publishing]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E G50.jpg|thumb|120px|[[Gollancz]] Top 50 edition]]<br />
|}<br />
{|<br />
|-<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E US.jpg|thumb|120px|US Cover]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:IllustratedEricCover.jpg|thumb|120px|[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|Illustrated Edition]]]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Unseen.jpg|thumb|120px|Unseen Library Edition]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E CL.jpg|thumb|120px|Collectors Library Edition]]<br />
| valign=“top” | [[File:E 2024.jpg|thumb|120px|Gollancz "50 Years of Terry" edition]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
[http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/eric.html ''Eric'' Annotations - The Annotated Pratchett File]<br />
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{{series|before=Guards! Guards!|series=Discworld|after=Moving Pictures}}<br />
{{series|series=Rincewind|before=Sourcery|after=Interesting Times}}<br />
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[[Category:Discworld Series|Eric]]<br />
[[Category:Rincewind Series|Eric]]<br />
[[Category:Graphic Novels|Eric]]<br />
[[de:Buch:Eric]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=50_Years_of_Terry&diff=3525350 Years of Terry2024-03-24T12:02:03Z<p>Guybrush: Added Eric and The Last Hero info</p>
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<div>'''50 Years of Terry''' was announced as a year long celebration of [[Terry Pratchett]], timed to begin on the 50th anniversary of the publication of his first novel, {{TCP}}. It was mainly visible in the release of new paperback and audiobook editions of the Discworld novels, with new matching cover designs cover art designed by [[Leo Nickolls]], referencing [[Paul Kidby]]'s character designs, and published for the first time under the Penguin imprint. The new paperbacks do not replace the current 2012-213 paperback editions, which use modified versions of [[Josh Kirby]]'s covers.<br />
<br />
== Timeline ==<br />
This includes all publications explicitly announced to be part of the celebration, as well as those that happen within the period. These are based on announced publication dates, which are primarily for the UK (though audiobook dates are usually international). Some regions (e.g. Australia) will see the new paperbacks a few months later. Many of these dates have been subject to change, and the celebration ended up extending beyond the officially announced year.<br />
<br />
;16 November 2021:New audiobooks announced.<br />
;9 December 2021:{{H}} audiobook, narrated by [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]], with the same cover art as the 25th Anniversary edition of the book released on 15 October 2021.<br />
;1 March 2022:New paperback editions announced.<br />
;22 April 2022:Official start of 50 Years of Terry. Publication of new 50th anniversary edition of {{TCP}}, and new audiobook read by [[wikipedia:David Tennant|David Tennant]].<br />
;28 April 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Witches books {{ER}}, {{WS}}, {{WA}}, {{LL}}, {{M!!!}} and {{CJ}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]], as well as a new paperback of {{SG}} with a matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Andy Serkis|Andy Serkis]].<br />
;7 July 2022:New paperback editions of the Wizards books {{COM}}, {{TLF}}, {{S}}, {{IT}}, {{TLC}} and {{UA}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]].<br />
;1st September 2022:Publication of Special Edition paperback of {{TAM}}, featuring new illustrations by Laura Ellen Anderson and the story of how Terry came up with the idea, written by [[Rob Wilkins]]. Uses a version of the cover art from the 2018 Corgi edition.<br />
;29 September 2022:Publication of {{ALWF}} by [[Rob Wilkins]], and the film tie-in edition of {{TAM}}, with a cover using the logo and Maurice design from the film.<br />
;5 October 2022:Publication of new audiobook edition of {{TAM}} narrated by [[wikipedia:Ariyon Bakare|Ariyon Bakare]] (who plays Darktan in [[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|the film version]]). It has a cover matching the design of the other new editions, but it's not clear when (or if) there will be a matching paperback. <br />
;27 October 2022:Publication of new paperback editions of the Death books {{M}}, {{RM}}, {{SM}}, {{H}} and {{TOT}}, with matching audiobooks read by Sian Clifford, including a reissue of the {{H}} audiobook with a matching cover.<br />
;3 November 2022:Publication of new edition of {{TUC}} to tie-in with ''[[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|The Amazing Maurice]]'' film, with the title changed to the ''The Unadulterated Maurice'' and a new introduction by [[Rhianna Pratchett]]. <br />
;23 February 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the standalone books {{P}}, {{MP}}, {{TT}} and {{MR}}, plus matching audiobooks of ''The Truth'' (read by [[wikipedia:Mathew Baynton|Mathew Baynton]]) and ''Monstrous Regiment'' (read by [[wikipedia:Katherine Parkinson|Katherine Parkinson]]); and new editions of the Moist von Lipwig books {{GP}}, {{MM}} and {{RS}}, with matching audiobooks read by [[wikipedia:Richard Coyle|Richard Coyle]], reprising his role as [[Moist von Lipwig]] from ''[[TV and Film:Going Postal|Going Postal]]'’). In addition, Gollancz publishes a new paperback edition of {{E}} with a cover matching the new Penguin Rincewind books.<br />
;30 March 2023:New audiobook of {{P}} read by [[wikipedia:Alfred Enoch|Alfred Enoch]].<br />
;18 May 2023:Publication of new paperback edition of {{MP}}, with matching audiobook read by [[wikipedia:Jason Isaacs|Jason Isaacs]].<br />
;25 May 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the [[Ankh-Morpork City Watch|Watch]] books {{G!G!}}, {{MAA}}, {{FOC}}, {{J}}, {{TFE}}, {{NW}}, {{T!}} and {{SN}}, with matching audiobook editions read by [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]].<br />
;15 June 2023:Release of new audiobook editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}, read by [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] with [[wikipedia:Steven Cree|Steven Cree]] as the Nac Mac Feegle.<br />
;7 December 2023:Publication of new paperback editions of the Tiffany Aching books {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}.<br />
;29 February 2024:Publication by Gollancz of a new paperback edition of {{TLH}}, featuring a cover matching Penguin’s new designs.<br />
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==Cover Galleries==<br />
We're adding the new covers to the galleries of the book pages, but here they are collected together by series.<br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Witches Series|Witches Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:ER 2022.jpg|{{ER}}<br />
File:WS 2022.jpg|{{WS}}<br />
File:WA 2022.jpg|{{WA}}<br />
File:LL 2022.jpg|{{LL}}<br />
File:M!!! 2022.jpg|{{M!!!}}<br />
File:CJ 2022.jpg|{{CJ}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Wizards Series|Wizards Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCOM 2022.jpg|{{TCOM}}<br />
File:LF 2022.jpg|{{TLF}}<br />
File:S 2022.jpg|{{S}}<br />
File:E 2022.jpg|{{E}}<br />
File:IT 2022.jpg|{{IT}}<br />
File:TLC 2022.jpg|{{TLC}}<br />
File:UA 2022.jpg|{{UA}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Death Series|Death Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:M 2022.jpg|{{M}}<br />
File:RM 2022.jpg|{{RM}}<br />
File:SM 2022.jpg|{{SM}}<br />
File:H 2022.jpg|{{H}}<br />
File:TOT 2022.jpg|{{TOT}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Ankh-Morpork Series|Industrial Revolution Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GP 2023.jpg|{{GP}}<br />
File:MM 2023.jpg|{{MM}}<br />
File:RS 2023.jpg|{{RS}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Watch Series|City Watch Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:GG 2023.jpg|{{G!G!}}<br />
File:MAA 2023.jpg|{{MAA}}<br />
File:FOC 2023.jpg|{{FOC}}<br />
File:J 2023.jpg|{{J}}<br />
File:TFE 2023.jpg|{{TFE}}<br />
File:NW 2023.jpg|{{NW}}<br />
File:T! 2023.jpg|{{T!}}<br />
File:SN 2023.jpg|{{SN}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===[[:Category:Tiffany Series|Tiffany Aching Series]]===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:WFM 2023.jpg|{{WFM}}<br />
File:HFOS 2023.jpg|{{HFOS}}<br />
File:W 2023.jpg|{{W}}<br />
File:ISWM 2023.jpg|{{ISWM}}<br />
File:TSC 2023.jpg|{{TSC}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Standalone Discworld books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:P 2023.jpg|{{P}}<br />
File:MP 2023.jpg|{{MP}}<br />
File:SG 2022.jpg|{{SG}}<br />
File:TAM Special Edition.jpg|{{TAM}}<br />
File:TT 2023.jpg|{{TT}}<br />
File:TLH 2024.jph|{{TLH}}<br />
File:MR 2023.jpg|{{MR}}<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Other books===<br />
<gallery mode=nolines><br />
File:TCP 50.jpg|{{TCP}}<br/>(50th anniversary)<br />
File:H 25.jpg|{{H}}<br/>(25th anniversary)<br />
</gallery></div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Bibliography&diff=35234Bibliography2024-03-01T01:33:47Z<p>Guybrush: /* Tabletop role-playing */</p>
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<div>A Terry Pratchett '''bibliography''' (originally derived from [[Wikipedia:|Wikipedia]], the free encyclopedia on 3 July 2005 and ppint's bibliography, mucked about with since then). All dates are of first publication. Revised editions and collections are not listed. The recommended reading order of the books is given in the article [[Reading Order]]. Several books are adapted to the theatre, [[TV and film adaptations|TV or film]] or are planned to be.<br />
<br />
==Books==<br />
===Discworld===<br />
====Novels====<br />
* 01 {{COM}} (Colin Smythe, 1983)<br />
* 02 {{TLF}} (Colin Smythe, 1986)<br />
* 03 {{ER}} ([[Gollancz]], Colin Smythe, 1987)<br />
* 04 {{M}} (Gollancz, Colin Smythe, 1987)<br />
* 05 {{S}} (Gollancz, Colin Smythe, 1988)<br />
* 06 {{WS}} (Gollancz, 1988)<br />
* 07 {{P}} (Gollancz, 1989)<br />
* 08 {{G!G!}} (Gollancz, 1989)<br />
* 09 {{E}} (Gollancz, 1990)<br />
* 10 {{MP}} (Gollancz, 1990)<br />
* 11 {{RM}} (Gollancz, 1991)<br />
* 12 {{WA}} (Gollancz, 1991)<br />
* 13 {{SG}} (Gollancz, 1992)<br />
* 14 {{LL}} (Gollancz, 1992)<br />
* 15 {{MAA}} (Gollancz, 1993)<br />
* 16 {{SM}} (Gollancz, 1994)<br />
* 17 {{IT}} (Gollancz, 1994)<br />
* 18 {{M!!!}} (Gollancz, 1995)<br />
* 19 {{FOC}} (Gollancz, 1996)<br />
* 20 {{H}} (Gollancz, 1996)<br />
* 21 {{J}} (Gollancz, 1997)<br />
* 22 {{TLC}} (Doubleday, 1998)<br />
* 23 {{CJ}} (Doubleday, 1998)<br />
* 24 {{TFE}} (Doubleday, 1999)<br />
* 25 {{TT}} (Doubleday, 2000)<br />
* 26 {{TOT}} (Doubleday, 2001)<br />
* 27 {{TLH}} (Gollancz, 2001)<br />
* 28 {{TAM}} (Doubleday, 2001)<br />
* 29 {{NW}} (Doubleday, 2002)<br />
* 30 {{WFM}} (Doubleday, 2003)<br />
* 31 {{MR}} (Doubleday, 2003)<br />
* 32 {{HFOS}} (Doubleday, 2004)<br />
* 33 {{GP}} (Doubleday, 2004)<br />
* 34 {{T!}} (Doubleday, 2005)<br />
* 35 {{W}} (Doubleday, 2006)<br />
* 36 {{MM}} (Doubleday, 2007)<br />
* 37 {{UA}} (Doubleday, 2009)<br />
* 38 {{ISWM}} (Doubleday, 2010)<br />
* 39 {{SN}} (Doubleday, 2011)<br />
* 40 {{RS}} (Doubleday, 2013)<br />
* 41 {{TSC}} (Doubleday, 2015)<br />
<br />
====Graphic Novels====<br />
* [[Book:The Discworld Graphic Novels The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic|''The Colour of Magic The Graphic Novel'']] (Corgi 1992)<br />
* [[Book:The Discworld Graphic Novels The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic|''The Light Fantastic The Graphic Novel'']] (Corgi 1993)<br />
* [[Book:Mort A Discworld Big Comic|''Mort A Discworld Big Comic'']] (Gollancz, 1994)<br />
* [[Book:Guards! Guards! A Discworld Graphic Novel|''Guards! Guards! A Discworld Graphic Novel'']] (Gollancz, 2000)<br />
* {{TLH}} (Gollancz 2001)<br />
* [[Book:The Illustrated Wee Free Men|''The Illustrated Wee Free Men'']] (Doubleday 2008)<br />
* {{COM}} and {{TLF}} 25th Anniversary Edition (omnibus, with [[Stephen Player]]) (Gollancz 2008), Illustrated Edition.<br />
* [[Book:The Discworld Graphic Novels The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic|''The Discworld Graphic Novels The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic'']] (omnibus) (Doubleday 2008)<br />
* [[Book:The Illustrated Eric|''The Illustrated Eric'']] (Gollancz, 2011)<br />
* [[TV and Film:Soul Music|''Soul Music: The Illustrated Screenplay'']] (Corgi 1997)<br />
* [[TV and Film:Wyrd Sisters|''Wyrd Sisters: The Illustrated Screenplay'']] (Corgi 1998)<br />
* [[TV and Film:Hogfather|''Terry Pratchett's Hogfather: The Illustrated Screenplay'']] (Gollancz 2006)<br />
* [[TV and Film:The Colour of Magic|''Terry Pratchett's The Colour of Magic: The Illustrated Screenplay'']] (Gollancz 2008)<br />
* [[Book:Small Gods A Discworld Graphic Novel|''Small Gods A Discworld Graphic Novel'']] (Doubleday, 2016)<br />
* {{M}} Illustrated Edition (The Folio Society, 2016)<br />
* {{SG}} Illustrated Edition (The Folio Society, 2016)<br />
* [[Book:The Illustrated Guards! Guards!|''The Illustrated Guards! Guards!'']] (Gollancz, September 2020)<br />
<br />
====[[Collections]]==== <br />
* The Witches Trilogy (1995)<br />
* Death Trilogy (1998)<br />
* The First Discworld Novels The Colour of Magic/The Light Fantastic (1999)<br />
* City Watch Trilogy (1999)<br />
* Rincewind the Wizzard (1999)<br />
* Tales of Discworld (2000)<br />
* The Gods Trilogy (2000)<br />
* The Rincewind Trilogy (2001)<br />
* The Wee Free Men: The Beginning (2010)<br />
* Tiffany Aching Complete Collection (2014, updated 2015)<br />
<br />
====[[Rumoured and Unfinished Works|Rumored]]====<br />
* [[Book:Raising Taxes|''Raising Taxes'']]<br />
* [[Book:Scouting for Trolls|''Scouting for Trolls'']]<br />
* [[Book:The Missing Chapter|''The Missing Chapter'']]<br />
* [[Book:Running Water| ''Running Water'']]<br />
<br />
Following Terry Pratchett's [[death]] on March 12, 2015 it was announced that {{TSC}} would be the last published Discworld novel.<br />
<br />
====Short Stories====<br />
* {{TB}} (1992)<br />
* {{TOC}} (1993)<br />
* {{SALF}} (1998)<br />
* [[We Can Rule You Wholesale|''We Can Rule You Wholesale'']] (1999)<br />
* [[Medical Notes|''Medical Notes'']] (2002)<br />
* [[A Few Words From Lord Havelock Vetinari|''A Few Words From Lord Havelock Vetinari'']] (2002)<br />
* [[Short Story:Death and What Comes Next|''Death and What Comes Next'']] (2004)<br />
* [[Short Story:A Collegiate Casting-Out of Devilish Devices|''A Collegiate Casting-Out of Devilish Devices'']] (2005)<br />
* [[Short Story:Thud-A Historical Perspective|''Thud-A Historical Perspective'']] (2002)<br />
* [[Ankh-Morpork Scouting (and possibly Urban Survival) Federation|''The Minutes of the Meeting To Form The Proposed Ankh-Morpork Federation of Scouts'']] (2007)<br />
* [[The Ankh-Morpork Football Association Hall of Fame playing cards|''The Ankh-Morpork Football Association Hall of Fame playing cards'']] (2009)<br />
<br />
====Maps====<br />
* {{SAM}} (Corgi, 1993)<br />
* {{DM}} (Corgi, 1995)<br />
* {{TGL}} (Corgi, 1998)<br />
* {{DD}} (Corgi, 1999)<br />
* {{CAM}} (Doubleday, 2012)<br />
* {{CDA}} (Doubleday 2015)<br />
<br />
====Companions====<br />
* {{DC}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Gollancz, 1994, 1997) <br />
* {{DC}} ''Updated'' (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Gollancz, 2001)<br />
* {{NDC}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Gollancz, 2003)<br />
* {{TR}}: The Discworld Companion...So Far (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Gollancz, 2012)<br />
* {{UDC}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Gollancz, 2021)<br />
<br />
====Science of Discworld====<br />
* {{SOD1}} (with [[Ian Stewart]] and [[Jack Cohen]]) (Ebury Press, 1999; updated in 2002)<br />
* {{SOD2}} (with [[Ian Stewart]] and [[Jack Cohen]]) (Ebury Press 2002)<br />
* {{SOD3}} (with [[Ian Stewart]] and [[Jack Cohen]]) (Ebury Press, 2005)<br />
* {{SOD4}} (with [[Ian Stewart]] and [[Jack Cohen]]) (Ebury Press, 2013)<br />
<br />
====Miscellany====<br />
* [[The Authorised Terry Pratchett's Discworld Magazine|''SFX Presents The Authorised Terry Pratchett's Discworld Magazine'']] (with M.J. Simpson) (Future Publishing, 1997)<br />
* {{NOC}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Tina Hannan]]) (Doubleday, 1999) (Corgi, 2001)<br />
* [[Book:Where's My Cow?|''Where's My Cow?'']] (illustrated spin-off of {{T!}} ) (Doubleday, 2005)<br />
* [[Book:The Unseen University Cut-out Book|''The Unseen University Cut-out Book'']] (with [[Bernard Pearson]] and Alan Batley) (Doubleday, 2006)<br />
* [[Book:The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld|''The Wit and Wisdom of Discworld'']] (with [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Doubleday, 2007) <br />
* [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld|''The Folklore of Discworld'']] (with Dr. [[Jacqueline Simpson]]) (Doubleday, 2008, updated in 2009 and 2013)<br />
* {{TWOP}} (illustrated spin-off of {{SN}}) (Doubleday, 2012)<br />
* [[Book:Mrs Bradshaw's Handbook|''Mrs Bradshaw's Handbook'']] (Doubleday, 2014)<br />
* [[Book:The Nac Mac Feegles' Big Wee Alphabet Book|''The Nac Mac Feegles' Big Wee Alphabet Book'']] (Dunmanifestin Ltd, March 2022)<br />
<br />
====Art books====<br />
* [[Book:The Josh Kirby Poster Book|''The Josh Kirby Poster Book'']] (with [[Josh Kirby]]) (Corgi, 1989)<br />
* [[Book:The Josh Kirby Discworld Portfolio|''The Josh Kirby Discworld Portfolio'']] (with [[Josh Kirby]]) (Paper Tiger, 1993)<br />
* {{TPP}} ''A Compendium of Discworld Characters'' (with [[Paul Kidby]]) (Gollancz, 1996) <br />
* {{AOD}} (with [[Paul Kidby]]) (HarperCollins, 2004) <br />
* [[Book:Discworld and Beyond A Retrospective|''Discworld and Beyond-A Retrospective'']] (with [[Paul Kidby]]) (St Barbe Museum & Art Gallery, 2012)<br />
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett's Discworld Colouring Book|''Terry Pratchett's Discworld Colouring Book'']] (with [[Paul Kidby]]) (Gollancz, 2016)<br />
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett's Discworld Imaginarium|''Terry Pratchett's Discworld Imaginarium'']] (with [[Paul Kidby]]) ([[Gollancz]], November 2017)<br />
<br />
====CD====<br />
* [[From the Discworld]] (with Dave Greenslade) (EMI, 1994)<br />
* [[TV and Film:Soul Music|Soul Music]] based on the animated series (with Keith Hopwood and Phil Bush) (Pluto, 1998)<br />
* [[Wintersmith (Steeleye Span)|Wintersmith]] - musical version - the story of {{W}} retold using English folk-music, provided by a house-band Nanny Ogg would have not only loved but would have wanted to sing with - [[Maddy Prior|Steeleye Span]]. (Park Records, 2013).<br />
<br />
====[[Theatre Adaptations]]====<br />
All adapted by [[Stephen Briggs]] except for Lords and Ladies which is adapted by Irana Brown.<br />
*{{M}} The Play (Corgi, 1996)<br />
*{{WS}} The Play (Corgi, 1996)<br />
*{{G!G!}} The Play (Corgi, 1997)<br />
*{{MAA}} The Play (Corgi, 1997)<br />
*{{M!!!}} The Play (Samuel French, 1998)<br />
*{{CJ}} The Play (Samuel French, 1999)<br />
*{{LL}} The Play (Samuel French, 2001. Methuen, March 2021)<br />
*{{TFE}} The Play (Methuen, 2002)<br />
*{{TT}} The Play (Methuen, 2002)<br />
*{{NW}} The Play (Methuen, 2004)<br />
*{{MR}} The Play (Methuen, 2004)<br />
*{{J}} The Play (Methuen, 2005)<br />
*{{IT}} The Play (Methuen, 2005)<br />
*{{GP}} The Play (Methuen, 2005)<br />
*{{TAM}} The Play (Oxford University Press, 2006)<br />
*{{MM}} The Play (Samuel French, 2011)<br />
*{{TAM}} Musical Pack (Bloomsbury, 2011) by Matthew Holmes<br />
*{{FOC}} The Play (Oberon Modern Plays, 2015)<br />
*{{UA}} The Play (Oberon Modern Plays, 2015)<br />
*[[Book:The Rince Cycle|''The Rince Cycle'']] (Oberon Modern Plays, 2015)<br />
*[[Book:All The Discworld's A Stage|''All The Discworld's A Stage'']] (omnibus, Feet of Clay/The Rince Cycle/Unseen Academicals) (Oberon Modern Plays, 2015)<br />
*''[[The Shakespeare Codex]]'' (Methuen, March 2021)<br />
*{{H}} (Methuen, March 2021)<br />
*''[[Murder in Ankh-Morpork]]'' (TBA)<br />
<br />
====Gaming====<br />
=====Board games=====<br />
* ''[[Thud]]'': Strategy game for two players available from 2008<br />
* Watch Out: Discworld Board Game from The Cunning Artificer 2004, never released, only several prototypes were ever made.<br />
* [[Ankh Morpork Discworld Board Game|''Discworld Ankh-Morpork'']], from Treefrog Games 2011.<br />
* [[Game:Guards! Guards! A Discworld Boardgame|''Guards! Guards! A Discworld Boardgame'']] from Z-Man Games 2011.<br />
* [[Game:The Witches A Discworld Game|''The Witches A Discworld Game'']], from Treefrog Games 2013<br />
* [[Game:Clacks A Discworld Board Game|''Clacks A Discworld Board Game'']], by Backspindle Games 2014 (Designers: Leonard Boyd & David Brashaw), published in conjunction with Z-Man Games.<br />
<br />
=====Computer games=====<br />
* [[Game:The Colour of Magic|The Colour of Magic]], for the Sinclair ZX Spectrum and Commodore 64, 1986.<br />
* [[Discworld (game)|Discworld]], PC/Mac/Sony Playstation/Sega Saturn game, developed by Perfect 10 Productions and Teeny Weeny Games, published by Psygnosis 1995.<br />
* [[Discworld II: Missing Presumed...!?]], PC/Sony Playstation/Sega Saturn game, developed by Perfect Entertainment, published by Psygnosis (PC/PSX versions) and Sega (Saturn version) 1996.<br />
* [[Discworld Noir]], GSP Games 2000.<br />
* [[Game:Discworld: The Colour of Magic|Discworld: The Colour of Magic]], developed for mobile phones, 2006.<br />
* [[Game:Discworld: The Ankh-Morpork Map|Discworld: The Ankh-Morpork Map]], developed for IOS systems by Random House, 2013.<br />
<br />
=====Tabletop role-playing=====<br />
* ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|GURPS Discworld]]'', with Phil Masters (SJ Games, 1998; maps by [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Stephen Player]], art by [[Paul Kidby]])<br/>Discworld converted to the GURPS RPG system<br/>Later rebranded under the "Powered by GURPS" banner as the ''Discworld Roleplaying Game.''<br />
* ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld#GURPS Discworld Also|GURPS Discworld Also]]'', with Phil Masters and John M. Ford (SJ Games, 2001; art by Sean Murray)<br/>Additional material converted to the GURPS system.<br />
* ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld#Discworld Roleplaying Game|The Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'', with Phil Masters (SJ Games, 2016)<br/>A revised edition of the previous game which combines ''GURPS Discworld'' and ''GURPS Discworld Also'', updates the rules to GURPS 4th edition, and adds information on newer Discworld novels not included in earlier editions. (SJ Games, November 2016)<br />
* ''[[Book:Adventures in Ankh-Morpork|Terry Pratchett’s Discworld: Adventures in Ankh-Morpork]]'', Modiphius Entertainment.<br/>Officially announced in February 2024, to be funded via a Kickstarter campaign in “late 2024”.<br />
<br />
=====[[Jigsaw Puzzles]]=====<br />
1000 piece jigsaw puzzles based on the book covers/maps from:<br />
* {{ER}}<br />
* {{M}}<br />
* {{RM}}<br />
* {{M!!!}}<br />
* {{DM}}<br />
* {{CJ}}<br />
* {{CAM}}<br />
<br />
====Quiz====<br />
* [[Book:The Unseen University Challenge|''The Unseen University Challenge'']] (quiz book by {{wp|Dave Langford|Dave Langford}}) (Gollancz, 1996)<br />
* [[Book:The Wyrdest Link|''The Wyrdest Link'']] (quiz book by {{wp|Dave Langford|Dave Langford}}) (Gollancz, 2002, 2006)<br />
<br />
====Diaries====<br />
* {{UUD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])<br />
* {{CWD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])<br />
* {{AGD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])<br />
* {{FGD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])<br />
* {{TGD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]])<br />
* {{RVD}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Paul Kidby]])<br />
* {{TCDA}} for the Year of the Prawn being the common year 2005 (with [[Bernard Pearson]])<br />
* {{AMPOH}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Paul Kidby]])<br />
* {{LTYOE}} (with [[Stephen Briggs]] and Paul Kidby) (Gollancz, 2007) Release Date 30 Aug 2007<br />
* [[Book:The Best of the Discworld Diaries|''The Best of the Discworld Diaries'']] (Goldmann, 2012 with [[Stephen Briggs]], [[Paul Kidby]] and Andreas Brandhorst)<br />
* {{WRI}} (2015 Diary, with [[Bernard Pearson]])<br />
* {{APMMW}} (2016 Diary, with [[Bernard Pearson]])<br />
* {{TPD}} (2017 Diary, with [[Bernard Pearson]])<br />
* {{TPQD}} (2018, with the [[Discworld Emporium]])<br />
* {{DAFJ}} (2019, with the [[Discworld Emporium]])<br />
* {{AMAV1}} (Gollancz 2019, with [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Paul Kidby]])<br />
* {{CWJ}} (Gollancz 2020, with the [[Discworld Emporium]])<br />
* {{AMAV2}} (Gollancz 2020, with [[Stephen Briggs]] and [[Paul Kidby]])<br />
<br />
====[[Discworld Calendars]]====<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Collectors' Edition Discworld Day-to-Day Calendar 1999<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 1999<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors Edition Day-to-Day Calendar 2000<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Mini Calendar 2000<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2000<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2001 <br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2002<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2003<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2004 <br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2005<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2006<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Hogfather Discworld Calendar 2007 <br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2008 <br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2009 <br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2010 <br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collector's Edition Calendar 2011 <br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2012<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2013<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2014<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2015<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2016<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2017<br />
* Terry Pratchett's Discworld Collectors' Edition Calendar 2018<br />
<br />
====Anthologies==== <br />
* The Flying Sorcerers, ed. Peter Haining, Souvenir Press, 1998: multi-author anthology including the first release of the Pratchett short story '''''Turntables of the Night'''''.<br />
* Legends, ed. Robert Silverberg, Souvenir Press, 1998: multi-author anthology including the first release of the Pratchett short story '''''The Sea and Little Fishes'''''.<br />
* After the King: Stories In Honour of J.R.R. Tolkien edited by Martin H. Greenberg (1992) contains '''''Troll Bridge''''', a short story featuring Cohen the Barbarian. This story was also published in the compilation The Mammoth Book of Comic Fantasy (2001, edited by Mike Ashley).<br />
* The Wizards of Odd, a short-story compilation edited by Peter Haining (1996), includes a Discworld short story called '''''Theatre of Cruelty'''''.<br />
<br />
===Non-Discworld===<br />
====Novels====<br />
* {{TCP}} ([[Colin Smythe]], 1971)<br />
* {{TDSOTS}} (Colin Smythe, 1976)<br />
* {{ST}} (Colin Smythe, 1981)<br />
* {{T}} ([[Doubleday]], 1989)<br />
* {{TUC}} (with [[Gray Jolliffe]]) (Gollancz, 1989)<br />
* {{GO}} (with [[Neil Gaiman]]) (Gollancz, 1990)<br />
* {{D}} (Doubleday, 1990)<br />
* {{WI}} (Doubleday, 1990)<br />
* [[Bromeliad|''The Bromeliad'']] (omnibus, Corgi, 2008)<br />
* {{OY}} (Doubleday, 1992)<br />
* {{JATD}} (Doubleday, 1993)<br />
* {{JATB}} (Doubleday, 1996)<br />
* [[Book:The Johnny Maxwell Trilogy|''The Johnny Maxwell Trilogy'']] (omnibus, Doubleday, 1999)<br />
* {{N}} (Doubleday, 2008)<br />
* {{DO}} (Doubleday, 2012)<br />
<br />
====Graphic Novels====<br />
*[[Book:Truckers Picture Book|''Truckers Picture Book'']] (Ladybird Press, 1992 and Picture Corgi, 1992) based off of the TV series.<br />
*[[Book:The Carpet People Illustrated Edition|''The Carpet People Illustrated Edition'']] (Doubleday, 2009)<br />
*[[Book:Truckers|''Truckers Illustrated Edition'']] (Corgi Children's, 18th October 2018)<br />
*[[Book:The Definitive Good Omens|''The Definitive Good Omens'']] (Gollancz, 21st May 2019)<br />
*[[Book:Good Omens The Official (and Ineffable) Graphic Novel|''Good Omens: The Official (and Ineffable) Graphic Novel'']] ([[Dunmanifestin]], TBA)<br />
<br />
====The ''Long Earth'' Series====<br />
''Co-written with {{wp|Stephen Baxter|Stephen Baxter}}''<br />
* {{TLE}} (Doubleday, 2012)<br />
* {{TLW}} (Doubleday, 2013)<br />
* {{TLM}} (Doubleday, April 2014)<br />
* {{TLU}} (Doubleday and Random House, June 2015)<br />
* {{TLCO}} (Doubleday, June 2016)<br />
<br />
====CD====<br />
* [[TV and Film:Johnny and the Dead|''Johnny and the Dead'']] soundtrack to the TV series (with Stefan Girandet) (Weekend, 1995).<br />
* {{OYCSM}} songs from the musical (Colin Smythe Ltd, 2009).<br />
* {{GO}} The BBC Radio 4 Dramatisation (BBC Physical Audio, 2015).<br />
<br />
====[[Theatre Adaptations|Plays]]====<br />
* {{JatD}} The Play (adapted by [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Oxford University Press, 1996)<br />
* {{N}} The Play (adapted by Mark Ravenhill) (Oxford University Press, 2009)<br />
* {{JATB}} Musical Pack (adapted by Matthew Holmes) (Bloomsbury, 2012)<br />
* {{DO}} The Play (adapted by [[Stephen Briggs]]) (Oxford Playscripts, 2014)<br />
<br />
====Short Stories====<br />
This is not a complete list, just the significant stories which have their own entries. See also [[:Category:Short Stories|the Short Stories category]].<br />
* “[[Short Story:The Hades Business|The Hades Business]]” (1963) Republished in {{BS}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:Night Dweller|Night Dweller]]” (1965)<br />
* “[[Short Story:Humphrey Newt's Thunderbolt Carriage|Humphrey Newt's Thunderbolt Carriage]]” (1967)<br />
* “[[Short Story:The Abominable Snowman|The Abominable Snowman]]” (1969) Republished in {{DCC}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:Rincemangle, The Gnome of Even Moor|Rincemangle, the Gnome of Even Moor]]” (1973) Republished in {{BS}} and {{TWVC}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:The High Meggas|The High Meggas]]” (1986) Republished in {{BS}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:Twenty Pence With Envelope and Seasonal Greetings|Twenty Pence With Envelope and Seasonal Greetings]]” (1987) Republished in {{BS}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:Final Reward|Final Reward]]” (1988) Republished in {{BS}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:Incubust|Incubust]]” (1988) Republished in {{BS}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:Turntables of the Night|Turntables of the Night]]” (1989) Republished in {{BS}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:History in the Faking|''History in the Faking'']]” (1990)<br />
* “[[Short Story:#ifdefDEBUG + "world/enough" + "time"|#ifdefDEBUG + ‘world/enough’ + ‘time’]]” (1990) Republished in {{BS}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:Hollywood Chickens|Hollywood Chickens]]” (1990) Republished in {{BS}}<br />
* “[[Short Story:The Secret Book of the Dead|The Secret Book of the Dead]]” (1991) Republished in {{BS}}.<br />
* “[[Short Story:Once And Future|Once And Future]]” (1995) Republished in {{BS}}<br />
* “[[Short Story:The Computer Who Wrote to Santa Claus|The Computer Who Wrote to Santa Claus]]” (1996), also known as “The Megabyte Drive to Believe in Santa Claus” and “FTB”. Republished in {{OMWF}}, {{BS}} and {{FCFB}}.<br />
* “[[An Ode to Multiple Universes|An Ode to Multiple Universes]]” (2005) Republished in ''[[Book:Terry Pratchett's Folio|Terry Pratchett's Folio]]''.<br />
<br />
====Anthologies====<br />
* [[The Ultimate Encyclopaedia of Fantasy (the definitive illustrated guide)|The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Fantasy]], edited by David Pringle (1998), Terry contributed a preface, republished in {{OMWF}}<br />
* Now We Are Sick, written by Neil Gaiman and Stephen Jones (1994), includes the poem called '''''The Secret Book of the Dead''''' by Pratchett.<br />
* Knights of Madness (1998, edited by Peter Haining) includes a short story called '''''Hollywood Chickens'''''. Republished in {{BS}}<br />
* The Leaky Establishment, written by David Langford (1984), has a foreword by Terry in later reissues (from 2001). Republished in {{SK}}<br />
* Meditations on Middle-Earth, an anthology of essays on Middle Earth compiled by Karen Haber, contains Terry Pratchett's essay '''''Cult Classic''''' (2002). Republished in {{SK}}<br />
* Imagined Lives: Portraits of Unknown People (National Portrait Gallery, 2011), Terry contributed a story, '''''Sir Joshua Easement: A Biographical Note'''''. Republished in {{BS}}<br />
* {{OMWF}} ([[New England Science Fiction Association]], 2004) is a collection of several of the above Dw and Non-Dw short stories. Terry Pratchett also wrote several stories under the pseudonym [[Uncle Jim]] for the ''Bucks Free Press''.<br />
* {{BS}} (Doubleday, 2012)<br />
* {{DCC}} (Doubleday, 11 September 2014)<br />
* {{SK}} (Doubleday, 25 Sep 2014)<br />
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett's Folio|''Terry Pratchett's Folio'']] (Privately published, 2014)<br />
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett's Memorial Folio|''Terry Pratchett's Memorial Folio'']] (Clays Ltd, 2016)<br />
* {{TWVC}} (Doubleday Children's, 2016)<br />
* {{FCFB}} (Doubleday Children's, 2017)<br />
* {{TTTC}} (Doubleday Children's, 2020)<br />
* {{SP}} (Transworld, 2023)<br />
<br />
====Miscellany====<br />
* The Richard Dimbleby Lecture 2010: available here[http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/01/terry-pratchett-alzheimer-assisted-suicide], abridged. Video version: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqjfwrRQvQA| The Richard Dimbley Lecture 2010]<br />
* ''[[Book:The Dodger's Guide to London|The Dodger's Guide to London]]'' (Doubleday, 2013)<br />
* Terry writing on [http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/15/a-butt-of-my-own-jokes-terry-pratchett-on-the-disease-that-finally-claimed-him on the Embuggerance]<br />
* [[Book:Shaking Hands With Death|''Shaking Hands With Death'']] (Corgi, 2015) also published in [[Book:A Slip of the Keyboard|''A Slip of the Keyboard'']]<br />
* [[Book:Seriously Funny: The Endlessly Quotable Terry Pratchett|''Seriously Funny: The Endlessly Quotable Terry Pratchett'']] (Doubleday, 2016)<br />
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett: HisWorld A Brief Guide to Discworld|''Terry Pratchett: HisWorld A Brief Guide to Discworld'']] (Clays Ltd, September 2017)<br />
* [[Book:Terry Pratchett HisWorld Official Exhibition Companion|''Terry Pratchett HisWorld Official Exhibition Companion'']] (Dunmanifestin Ltd, October 2018)<br />
<br />
==Publishers==<br />
* [[B. Wahlströms]]<br />
* [[Colin Smythe]]<br />
* [[Doubleday]]<br />
* [[Gollancz]]<br />
* [[HarperCollins]]<br />
* [[Heyne]]<br />
* [[L'Atalante]]<br />
* [[Random House]]<br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[Articles and Speeches]]<br />
* [[Contributions to other works]]<br />
* [[Dedications]]<br />
* [[Deleted Scenes]]<br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
* [[wikipedia:Terry Pratchett|Terry Pratchett]] on Wikipedia<br />
* [[wikipedia:Discworld|Discworld]] on Wikipedia<br />
* [http://www.terrypratchett.co.uk/ Terry Pratchett] - Verlagsgruppe Random House / Doubleday / etc.<br />
* [http://www.terrypratchettbooks.com/ Terry Pratchett Books] - (HarperCollins)<br />
* [http://www.colinsmythe.co.uk/ Colin Smythe Ltd]<br />
* [http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/p/terry-pratchett/ Fantastic fiction] <br />
* [http://www.terrypratchettbooks.org/discworld/threads/the-ultimate-guide-to-terry-pratchetts-written-works.93/ The Ultimate Guide To Terry Pratchett's Written Works]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?155 Terry Pratchett - Chronological Bibliography]<br />
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;Thursday, February 29th, 2024: The Terry Pratchett estate and UK-based games company [https://www.modiphius.net Modiphius Entertainment] announced that Modiphius has acquired the license to produce new Discworld tabletop games, beginning with a roleplaying game, ''Adventures in Ankh-Morpork'', which will be crowdfunded via Kickstarter in “late 2024”. Modiphius have launched [https://www.modiphius.net/pages/discworld-adventures-signup a Discworld fan survey] as part of their early development of the game. ([https://terrypratchett.com/discworld/discworld-ttrpg-modiphius-announced/ terrypratchett.com]; [https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/news/discworld-rpg-new-board-games-terry-pratchett ''Dicebreaker''])<br />
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;Wednesday, February 28th, 2024: The Terry Pratchett Estate reveal a “Forty Years of Discworld” logo for the “Year of Discworld” celebration, [https://terrypratchett.com/discworld/40-years-of-discworld-magic/ previously announced] on the anniversary itself (November 24th, 2023). No other details yet. ([https://terrypratchett.com/discworld/40-years-of-discworld-logo/ terrypratchett.com])<br />
<br />
;Thursday, December 14th, 2023: After [https://x.com/goodomensprime/status/1735298598894436405?s=46&t=qZWvb2BDsjbvYIoWy2hk3w Amazon released a ''Good Omens'' song list containing a clue], Good Omens HQ officially announce that a third and final season of {{GOTV}} has been confirmed. ([https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/good-omens-season-3-renewed-final-season-amazon-1235837682/ ''Variety''])<br />
<br />
;Thursday, December 14th, 2023: The Pratchett Estate [https://x.com/pratchettonline/status/1735268536346407220?s=46&t=qZWvb2BDsjbvYIoWy2hk3w announce via a cover reveal] that a new edition of {{TLH}} with a cover design by Leo Nicholls matching the [[50 Years of Terry]] Penguin editions will be published on 29th February 2024, completing the set of Discworld novels in this edition. This edition will also have a “new text design”, suggesting the book will have new layout and typesetting - previously too expensive an endeavour given the way the original was created. ([https://www.gollancz.co.uk/titles/terry-pratchett/the-last-hero/9781399611206/ Gollancz website])<br />
<br />
;Tuesday, November 21st, 2023: Marking the fortieth anniversary of {{COM}} a little early, [[Rob Wilkins]] and [[Neil Gaiman]] celebrated the life and work of [[Terry Pratchett]] in an event at the British Library, “The Worlds of Terry Pratchett”, hosted by Kat Brown (who hosted [https://living-knowledge-network.co.uk/library/tiffany-achings-guide-to-being-a-witch a similar event] with [[Rhianna Pratchett]] and [[Gabrielle Kent]] for the launch of {{TAG}} at the start of the month). [https://living-knowledge-network.co.uk/library/the-worlds-of-terry-pratchett Video of the talk is available from the Living Knowledge Network]. ([https://terrypratchett.com/news/see-rob-wilkins-neil-gaiman-in-conversation/ terrypratchett.com])<br />
<br />
===Significant Pratchett Events===<br />
;Tuesday, April 28th, 2020: Narrativia announces an exclusive deal with Motive Pictures and Endeavour Content to produce "definitive" and "absolutely faithful" Discworld adaptations for the screen. No specific productions are announced. The full text of the announcement is available on the [https://www.narrativia.com/discworld.html Narrativia web site].<br />
<br />
;Saturday, September 16th, 2017: Opening of the [[Terry Pratchett HisWorld Exhibition]] at the Salisbury Museum, Wiltshire. [http://www.pratchetthisworld.com/?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=6ceb3655f9a94b5487a1455ca5733642&uid=267767096&nid=244+272699400 HisWorld Website] [http://www.salisburymuseum.org.uk/ Salisbury Museum Website]<br />
<br />
;Wednesday, August 30th, 2017: In accordance with his final wishes Sir Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels are destroyed using a steamroller. [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/30/terry-pratchett-unfinished-novels-destroyed-streamroller News Article]<br />
<br />
;Saturday, February 11th, 2017: The BBC broadcasts the biographical documentary ''[[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett: Back in Black|Terry Pratchett: Back in Black]]''. (Non-UK viewers may be able to watch it '''''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxpdh-vKTz4 here]]''''')<br />
<br />
;Thursday, August 27th, 2015: Publication of the final Discworld novel, {{TSC}}.<br />
<br />
;Thursday, March 12th, 2015: Sir Terry Pratchett died at home in Wiltshire following a long battle with Alzheimer's. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156 BBC report, 3:26pm GMT]<br />
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'''Alphabetical list of [[List of Pratchett characters|characters]] in the works of Terry Pratchett'''<br />
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===Latest and Upcoming Publications by or about Terry Pratchett===<br />
;29 February 2024: Publication of new paperback edition of {{TLH}} from Gollancz, matching the [[50 Years of Terry]] Penguin editions.<br />
<br />
;7 December 2023: Publication of new paperback editions of {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}, the final books released as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
;9 November 2023: Publication of {{TAG}} by [[Rhianna Pratchett]] and [[Gabrielle Kent]], illustrated by [[Paul Kidby]], celebrating the 20th anniversary of [[Tiffany Aching]].<br />
<br />
;5 October 2023: Publication of {{SP}}, a collection of previously uncollected “lost” early stories written by Pratchett for newspapers under pseudonyms.<br />
<br />
;28 July 2023: Season two of {{GOTV}} premieres on Amazon Prime Video.<br />
<br />
;15 June 2023: Publication of new audiobook editions of {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
;25 May 2023: Publication of new audiobook and paperback editions of {{G!G!}}, {{MAA}}, {{FOC}}, {{J}}, {{TFE}}, {{NW}}, {{T!}} and {{SN}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
;18 May 2023: Publication of new audiobook and paperback edition of {{MP}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
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===Did you know that...===<br />
* ...the motto carved above the doors of [[Unseen University]] means ''Now you see it, now you don't''?<br />
* ...there are only six references to Harry Potter on this entire Wiki?<br />
* ...[[Sto Lat]] is a [[wikipedia:Sto Lat|Polish song]], the expression meaning "may you live a hundred years"?<br />
* ...someone has actually made a [http://freespace.virgin.net/tony.fisk2/janescakes/discworld/discworld.htm Discworld cake]?<br />
* ...the article [[Multiple exclamation marks]] has attracted more than 50,000 views?!!! And that was on the ''old'' Wiki: even allowing for the shiny new-ness of this new home, "M.E.M." has attracted over 36,000 viewings while many popular characters and books haven't reached 10,000. What ''is'' it about this page? <br />
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If you have any artwork to contribute, go to the [[Special:Upload|Upload page]]. As with all content, ''make sure you are allowed to post the image here''. If you're not the copyright holder, check the license and whether it's compatible with the license used on this site. The upload link can also be found in the Toolbox in the left sidebar.<br />
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* {{lsr}}, The L-Space Web, a Terry Pratchett/Discworld Website<br />
* [https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com The Guild of Recappers & Podcasters], a sister wiki for Discworld podcasts<br />
* [[wikipedia:Terry Pratchett|Terry Pratchett]] on Wikipedia<br />
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===Portals===<br />
''Navigate here to browse through the articles''<br />
* [[Bibliography]]: Books and other material written by Terry Pratchett<br />
* [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Characters|Characters]]: Pratchett characters<br />
* [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Places|Places]]: Agatea to Zambingo, even a Place Where The Sun Does Not Shine<br />
* [[Discworld Stuff]]: Anything belonging to the Discworld or Terry Pratchett's writings in general<br />
* [[Annotations]]: Comments by readers relating to Pratchett books.<br />
* [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:About Terry Pratchett|About Terry Pratchett]]<br />
* [[Fandom]]: About or produced by people who read Terry Pratchett's books<br />
* [[Podcasts]]: Audio shows which discuss the books<br />
* [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Categories|Categories]]: A directory of major [[Special:Categories|categories]] for articles on this wiki<br />
* [[Reading suggestions]]: There's a life beyond Pratchett, and after triple-reading every book and map this is where you start that life<br />
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See [[Talk:Main Page|the talk page]] for more ideas on what should be in this wiki,<br />
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===Recent news about Terry===<br />
;Thursday, February 29th, 2024: The Terry Pratchett estate and UK-based games company [https://www.modiphius.net Modiphius Entertainment] announced that Modiphius has acquired the license to produce new Discworld tabletop games, beginning with a roleplaying game, ''Adventures in Ankh-Morpork'', which will be crowdfunded via Kickstarter in “late 2024”. Modiphius have launched [https://www.modiphius.net/pages/discworld-adventures-signup a Discworld fan survey] as part of their early development of the game. ([https://terrypratchett.com/discworld/discworld-ttrpg-modiphius-announced/ terrypratchett.com]; [https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/news/discworld-rpg-new-board-games-terry-pratchett ''Dicebreaker''])<br />
<br />
;Wednesday, February 28th, 2024: The Terry Pratchett Estate reveal a “Forty Years of Discworld” logo for the “Year of Discworld” celebration, [[https://terrypratchett.com/discworld/40-years-of-discworld-magic/ previously announced] on the anniversary itself (November 24th, 2023). No other details yet. ([https://terrypratchett.com/discworld/40-years-of-discworld-logo/ terrypratchett.com])<br />
<br />
;Thursday, December 14th, 2023: After [https://x.com/goodomensprime/status/1735298598894436405?s=46&t=qZWvb2BDsjbvYIoWy2hk3w Amazon released a ''Good Omens'' song list containing a clue], Good Omens HQ officially announce that a third and final season of {{GOTV}} has been confirmed. ([https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/good-omens-season-3-renewed-final-season-amazon-1235837682/ ''Variety''])<br />
<br />
;Thursday, December 14th, 2023: The Pratchett Estate [https://x.com/pratchettonline/status/1735268536346407220?s=46&t=qZWvb2BDsjbvYIoWy2hk3w announce via a cover reveal] that a new edition of {{TLH}} with a cover design by Leo Nicholls matching the [[50 Years of Terry]] Penguin editions will be published on 29th February 2024, completing the set of Discworld novels in this edition. This edition will also have a “new text design”, suggesting the book will have new layout and typesetting - previously too expensive an endeavour given the way the original was created. ([https://www.gollancz.co.uk/titles/terry-pratchett/the-last-hero/9781399611206/ Gollancz website])<br />
<br />
;Tuesday, November 21st, 2023: Marking the fortieth anniversary of {{COM}} a little early, [[Rob Wilkins]] and [[Neil Gaiman]] celebrated the life and work of [[Terry Pratchett]] in an event at the British Library, “The Worlds of Terry Pratchett”, hosted by Kat Brown (who hosted [https://living-knowledge-network.co.uk/library/tiffany-achings-guide-to-being-a-witch a similar event] with [[Rhianna Pratchett]] and [[Gabrielle Kent]] for the launch of {{TAG}} at the start of the month). [https://living-knowledge-network.co.uk/library/the-worlds-of-terry-pratchett Video of the talk is available from the Living Knowledge Network]. ([https://terrypratchett.com/news/see-rob-wilkins-neil-gaiman-in-conversation/ terrypratchett.com])<br />
<br />
===Significant Pratchett Events===<br />
;Tuesday, April 28th, 2020: Narrativia announces an exclusive deal with Motive Pictures and Endeavour Content to produce "definitive" and "absolutely faithful" Discworld adaptations for the screen. No specific productions are announced. The full text of the announcement is available on the [https://www.narrativia.com/discworld.html Narrativia web site].<br />
<br />
;Saturday, September 16th, 2017: Opening of the [[Terry Pratchett HisWorld Exhibition]] at the Salisbury Museum, Wiltshire. [http://www.pratchetthisworld.com/?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=6ceb3655f9a94b5487a1455ca5733642&uid=267767096&nid=244+272699400 HisWorld Website] [http://www.salisburymuseum.org.uk/ Salisbury Museum Website]<br />
<br />
;Wednesday, August 30th, 2017: In accordance with his final wishes Sir Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels are destroyed using a steamroller. [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/30/terry-pratchett-unfinished-novels-destroyed-streamroller News Article]<br />
<br />
;Saturday, February 11th, 2017: The BBC broadcasts the biographical documentary ''[[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett: Back in Black|Terry Pratchett: Back in Black]]''. (Non-UK viewers may be able to watch it '''''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxpdh-vKTz4 here]]''''')<br />
<br />
;Thursday, August 27th, 2015: Publication of the final Discworld novel, {{TSC}}.<br />
<br />
;Thursday, March 12th, 2015: Sir Terry Pratchett died at home in Wiltshire following a long battle with Alzheimer's. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156 BBC report, 3:26pm GMT]<br />
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''Please, help to maintain the excellent standard of the articles in this wiki.''<br />
''Regularly a key article will be chosen which should be the focus of contributors.''<br />
<div><br />
'''Alphabetical list of [[List of Pratchett characters|characters]] in the works of Terry Pratchett'''<br />
When including characters, please also add them to the ''Pratchett characters'' category.<br />
<br />
This popular page is fourth in views after the Main Page but it has not been updated regularly.<br />
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===Latest and Upcoming Publications by or about Terry Pratchett===<br />
;29 February 2024: Publication of new paperback edition of {{TLH}} from Gollancz, matching the [[50 Years of Terry]] Penguin editions.<br />
<br />
;7 December 2023: Publication of new paperback editions of {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}, the final books released as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
;9 November 2023: Publication of {{TAG}} by [[Rhianna Pratchett]] and [[Gabrielle Kent]], illustrated by [[Paul Kidby]], celebrating the 20th anniversary of [[Tiffany Aching]].<br />
<br />
;5 October 2023: Publication of {{SP}}, a collection of previously uncollected “lost” early stories written by Pratchett for newspapers under pseudonyms.<br />
<br />
;28 July 2023: Season two of {{GOTV}} premieres on Amazon Prime Video.<br />
<br />
;15 June 2023: Publication of new audiobook editions of {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
;25 May 2023: Publication of new audiobook and paperback editions of {{G!G!}}, {{MAA}}, {{FOC}}, {{J}}, {{TFE}}, {{NW}}, {{T!}} and {{SN}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
;18 May 2023: Publication of new audiobook and paperback edition of {{MP}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
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===Did you know that...===<br />
* ...the motto carved above the doors of [[Unseen University]] means ''Now you see it, now you don't''?<br />
* ...there are only six references to Harry Potter on this entire Wiki?<br />
* ...[[Sto Lat]] is a [[wikipedia:Sto Lat|Polish song]], the expression meaning "may you live a hundred years"?<br />
* ...someone has actually made a [http://freespace.virgin.net/tony.fisk2/janescakes/discworld/discworld.htm Discworld cake]?<br />
* ...the article [[Multiple exclamation marks]] has attracted more than 50,000 views?!!! And that was on the ''old'' Wiki: even allowing for the shiny new-ness of this new home, "M.E.M." has attracted over 36,000 viewings while many popular characters and books haven't reached 10,000. What ''is'' it about this page? <br />
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===A picture says more than a thousand words...===<br />
If you have any artwork to contribute, go to the [[Special:Upload|Upload page]]. As with all content, ''make sure you are allowed to post the image here''. If you're not the copyright holder, check the license and whether it's compatible with the license used on this site. The upload link can also be found in the Toolbox in the left sidebar.<br />
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===External links===<br />
* {{lsr}}, The L-Space Web, a Terry Pratchett/Discworld Website<br />
* [https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com The Guild of Recappers & Podcasters], a sister wiki for Discworld podcasts<br />
* [[wikipedia:Terry Pratchett|Terry Pratchett]] on Wikipedia<br />
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===Portals===<br />
''Navigate here to browse through the articles''<br />
* [[Bibliography]]: Books and other material written by Terry Pratchett<br />
* [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Characters|Characters]]: Pratchett characters<br />
* [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Places|Places]]: Agatea to Zambingo, even a Place Where The Sun Does Not Shine<br />
* [[Discworld Stuff]]: Anything belonging to the Discworld or Terry Pratchett's writings in general<br />
* [[Annotations]]: Comments by readers relating to Pratchett books.<br />
* [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:About Terry Pratchett|About Terry Pratchett]]<br />
* [[Fandom]]: About or produced by people who read Terry Pratchett's books<br />
* [[Podcasts]]: Audio shows which discuss the books<br />
* [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Categories|Categories]]: A directory of major [[Special:Categories|categories]] for articles on this wiki<br />
* [[Reading suggestions]]: There's a life beyond Pratchett, and after triple-reading every book and map this is where you start that life<br />
</div><br />
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===A meeting place: The [[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum|Mended Drum]]===<br />
To discuss non-content matters (what do we do with content disputes, vandalism,<br />
etc, what do we want to do with this wiki, and so on), use this location:<br />
[[Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum]]<br />
<br />
See [[Talk:Main Page|the talk page]] for more ideas on what should be in this wiki,<br />
as well as discussions on languages etc.<br />
<br />
Are you new to wikis and want to try out how it works? On the [[Discworld &amp; Pratchett Wiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] you can edit as much as you like and get used to working with a wiki.<br />
</div><br />
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===Recent news about Terry===<br />
;Thursday, February 29th, 2024: UK-based games company [https://www.modiphius.net Modiphius Entertainment] announces they have acquired the license to produce new Discworld tabletop games, beginning with a roleplaying game, ''Adventures in Ankh-Morpork'', which will be crowdfunded via Kickstarter in “late 2024”. They have launched [https://www.modiphius.net/pages/discworld-adventures-signup a Discworld fan survey] as part of their early development of the game. ([https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/news/discworld-rpg-new-board-games-terry-pratchett ''Dicebreaker'' article])<br />
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;Thursday, December 14th, 2023: After [https://x.com/goodomensprime/status/1735298598894436405?s=46&t=qZWvb2BDsjbvYIoWy2hk3w Amazon released a ''Good Omens'' song list containing a clue], Good Omens HQ officially announce that a third and final season of {{GOTV}} has been confirmed. ([https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/good-omens-season-3-renewed-final-season-amazon-1235837682/ ''Variety''])<br />
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;Thursday, December 14th, 2023: The Pratchett Estate [https://x.com/pratchettonline/status/1735268536346407220?s=46&t=qZWvb2BDsjbvYIoWy2hk3w announce via a cover reveal] that a new edition of {{TLH}} with a cover design by Leo Nicholls matching the [[50 Years of Terry]] Penguin editions will be published on 29th February 2024, completing the set of Discworld novels in this edition. This edition will also have a “new text design”, suggesting the book will have new layout and typesetting - previously too expensive an endeavour given the way the original was created. ([https://www.gollancz.co.uk/titles/terry-pratchett/the-last-hero/9781399611206/ Gollancz website])<br />
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;Friday, November 24th, 2023: On social media (including [https://x.com/PratchettOnline/status/1727976194354651253?s=20 Twitter (X)]), the Pratchett Estate marks the fortieth anniversary of {{COM}} and teased the start of a “Year of Discworld” in celebration, promising “more on that soon...” ([https://terrypratchett.com/discworld/40-years-of-discworld-magic/ terrypratchett.com])<br />
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;Tuesday, November 21st, 2023: Marking the fortieth anniversary of {{COM}} a little early, [[Rob Wilkins]] and [[Neil Gaiman]] celebrated the life and work of [[Terry Pratchett]] in an event at the British Library, “The Worlds of Terry Pratchett”, hosted by Kat Brown (who hosted [https://living-knowledge-network.co.uk/library/tiffany-achings-guide-to-being-a-witch a similar event] with [[Rhianna Pratchett]] and [[Gabrielle Kent]] for the launch of {{TAG}} at the start of the month). [https://living-knowledge-network.co.uk/library/the-worlds-of-terry-pratchett Video of the talk is available from the Living Knowledge Network]. ([https://terrypratchett.com/news/see-rob-wilkins-neil-gaiman-in-conversation/ terrypratchett.com])<br />
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===Significant Pratchett Events===<br />
;Tuesday, April 28th, 2020: Narrativia announces an exclusive deal with Motive Pictures and Endeavour Content to produce "definitive" and "absolutely faithful" Discworld adaptations for the screen. No specific productions are announced. The full text of the announcement is available on the [https://www.narrativia.com/discworld.html Narrativia web site].<br />
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;Saturday, September 16th, 2017: Opening of the [[Terry Pratchett HisWorld Exhibition]] at the Salisbury Museum, Wiltshire. [http://www.pratchetthisworld.com/?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=6ceb3655f9a94b5487a1455ca5733642&uid=267767096&nid=244+272699400 HisWorld Website] [http://www.salisburymuseum.org.uk/ Salisbury Museum Website]<br />
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;Wednesday, August 30th, 2017: In accordance with his final wishes Sir Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels are destroyed using a steamroller. [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/30/terry-pratchett-unfinished-novels-destroyed-streamroller News Article]<br />
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;Saturday, February 11th, 2017: The BBC broadcasts the biographical documentary ''[[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett: Back in Black|Terry Pratchett: Back in Black]]''. (Non-UK viewers may be able to watch it '''''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxpdh-vKTz4 here]]''''')<br />
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;Thursday, August 27th, 2015: Publication of the final Discworld novel, {{TSC}}.<br />
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;Thursday, March 12th, 2015: Sir Terry Pratchett died at home in Wiltshire following a long battle with Alzheimer's. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156 BBC report, 3:26pm GMT]<br />
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|title=Monstrous Regiment<br />
|cover=[[File:Cover Monstrous Regiment.jpg|thumb|240px|Cover art by Paul Kidby]]<br />
|coauthors= <br />
|illustrator=<br />
|date=25th September 2003<br />
|publisher=Doubleday<br />
|isbn=0385603401<br />
|pages=329<br />
|rrp=£17.99<br />
|series= Discworld Series<br />
|characters=[[Polly Perks]], [[Jack Jackrum|Sergeant Jackrum]], [[Samuel Vimes|Sam Vimes]] <br />
|annotations=yes<br />
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==Blurb==<br />
It was a sudden strange fancy...<br><br />
[[Polly Perks]] had to become a boy in a hurry. Cutting off her hair and wearing trousers was easy. Learning to fart and belch in public and walk like an ape took more time...<br />
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And now she's enlisted in the [[Borogravia|army]], and searching for her lost brother. But there's a war on. There's always a war on. And Polly and her fellow recruits are suddenly in the thick of it, without any training, and the enemy is hunting them.<br />
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All they have on their side is the most artful sergeant in the army and a [[vampires|vampire]] with a lust for coffee. Well... they have the Secret. And as they take the war to the heart of the enemy, they have to use all the resources of... the Monstrous Regiment.<br />
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==Plot==<br />
[[Borogravia]] is a small, backward country which is at war with [[Zlobenia]]. The traditional deity of the country is [[Nuggan]], but he has become increasingly psychotic and taken to declaring many trivial things "Abominations" - including garlic, cats and ginger hair. As a result, the population are losing their faith in Nuggan and many are instead starting worship their official leader, Duchess [[Annagovia]].<br />
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[[Polly Perks]] sets out to find her slow-witted brother Paul after he disappears while serving in the army. Nugganatic law prevents women from owning property, meaning that unless Paul returns the family pub will pass to their cousin (a drunk) after their father's death. Women are also prohibited from serving in the army, so Polly disguises herself as a boy with the name "Oliver" in order to enlist. After she enlists, she meets [[Jack Jackrum|Sergeant Jackrum]] and the patriotic Corporal [[Strappi]]. Her fellow soldiers include a vampire named [[Maladict]], a Troll named [[Carborundum]], and an [[Igor]]. They also include [[Tonker Halter|"Tonker" Halter]], [[Shufti Manickle|"Shufti" Manickle]], [[Wazzer Goom|"Wazzer" Goom]], and [[Lofty Tewt|"Lofty" Tewt]].<br />
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On the night after joining, Polly hears a mysterious voice from someone who knows her to be a girl, but promises not to tell and even gives tips on how to conceal her gender. Over the next few days, Polly realizes that Lofty and Shufti are both girls. As the story progresses, she gradually discovers that the entire regiment consists of girls pretending to be male soldiers. She also realizes that Borogravia's situation in the war is hopeless.<br />
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The regiment head towards the Keep where their enemies are based, on a mission to rescue Borogravian soldiers who are in their captivity. They run into an elite enemy detachment that includes Zlobenia's Prince Heinrich and easily manage to defeat them. As a result, the regiment get publicity in the outside world via the [[Ankh-Morpork Times]]. They also draw the interest of [[Samuel Vimes]], who is currently staying at the Keep.<br />
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Polly and most of the rest of the regiment infiltrate the Keep disguised as washerwomen. They manage to free the captured troops and take control of most of the building, but their own forces remove them from the conflict after Polly admits that they are women. They are brought before a council of senior officers. They are about be discharged and sent home, when Jackrum arrives and reveals that many of them are also women. In the midst of this, Wazzer becomes possessed by Annagovia. The Duchess is actually dead, but because of how the power of belief works in [[Discworld]], she has turned into a deity. By communicating through Wazzer, she urges the generals to abandon the war, return home and repair the country.<br />
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It is then revealed that Jackrum is also a woman. The regiment is sent to the enemy and successfully negotiates peace. The military rules are changed to allow women to serve, while Polly finds her brother and they return home. At the end of the book, it is revealed that another conflict has broken out and Polly sneaks away from the family pub (now in her possession) to join the army and become commander of a group of boy-impersonating female soldiers.<br />
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==Characters==<br />
'''Borogravians'''<br />
* Grand Duchess [[Annagovia]]<br />
* General [[Froc]]<br />
* Major [[Clogston]]<br />
* Lieutenant [[Blouse]] (of the [[Tenth Infantry]])<br />
* Private [[Lart Hubukurk]] the younger<br />
* Private [[Joe Hubukurk]] the elder (retired)<br />
* Sergeant-Major [[Jack Jackrum]]<br />
* Corporal [[Strappi]]<br />
* [[Polly Perks]]<br />
* [[Igor#Igor in the Ins-and-Outs, Borogravia|Igor]]<br />
* [[Maladict]]<br />
* [[Carborundum]]<br />
* [[Tonker Halter|"Tonker" Halter]]<br />
* [[Shufti Manickle|"Shufti" Manickle]]<br />
* [[Wazzer Goom|"Wazzer" Goom]]<br />
* [[Lofty Tewt|"Lofty" Tewt]]<br />
* [[Enid]]<br />
'''Zlobenians and other neighboring countries'''<br />
* Prince [[Heinrich]]<br />
'''Ankh-Morporkians'''<br />
* [[Samuel Vimes]] (of the [[Ankh-Morpork City Watch]])<br />
* [[Angua von &Uuml;berwald]]<br />
* [[Buggy Swires]]<br />
* [[Reg Shoe]]<br />
* [[Clarence Chinny]] (Consul to Zlobenia)<br />
* [[William de Worde]] (of the ''[[Ankh-Morpork Times]]'')<br />
* [[Otto Chriek]] (of the ''Ankh-Morpork Times'')<br />
* [[Ronald Rust]]<br />
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==Locations==<br />
*[[Borogravia]]<br />
**[[Munz]]<br />
**[[Plün]]<br />
**[[Plotz]]<br />
*[[Zlobenia]]<br />
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==Annotations==<br />
The title of the book comes from ''{{wp|The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstruous Regiment of Women|The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstruous Regiment of Women}}'', a misogynistic book written by the Protestant preacher {{wp|John Knox|John Knox}}. He criticised Mary I of England and Mary of Guise (the acting ruler of Scotland) and argued that having women in power went against the Bible. This backfired spectacularly on him because Elizabeth I became the Queen of England later that year. Although a Protestant, Elizabeth was offended by his writings and banned him from entering England for the rest of his life. At the time the two words had different meanings: "monstruous"/"monstrous" meant "unnatural" while "regiment" meant "rule"/"governance".<br />
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==Adaptations==<br />
===[[Theatre Adaptations|Theatre]]===<br />
Adapted by [[Stephen Briggs]] into a stage play in 2004.<br />
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| valign="top" | [[File:MR SM.jpg|thumb|110px|Cover by Scott Mckowan]]<br />
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==External Links==<br />
[http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/monstrous-regiment.html ''Monstrous Regiment'' Annotations - The Annotated Pratchett File]<br />
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The first Terry Pratchett-related podcast was the no longer active ''The Pratchett Podcast'' in 2011. Since Terry's death, and particularly in the last few years, several shows have appeared where the hosts read and comment on the Discworld books, usually in chronological order. This is an adaptation of the popular "TV recap" podcast format. Such podcasts are sometimes described as "fancasts".<br />
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We used to try and cross-reference podcasts and books in a large table, but it grew unwieldy. If you would like to find all the episodes about a book, or find all the podcasts indexed in one place, see our cousin wiki, [https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com the Guild of Recappers & Podcasters].<br />
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== Discworld Podcasts ==<br />
Podcasts below are categorised as Complete, Active or Inactive, and listed in each category in chronological order, based on launch date. Some also cover other works by Pratchett, though most only do so occasionally and are focussed on the forty-one Discworld novels, and sometimes the film and television adaptations.<br />
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=== Complete Podcasts ===<br />
These shows have read through all forty-one Discworld books, or otherwise officially ended.<br />
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==== ''Radio Morpork'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://radiomorpork.wordpress.com/ radiomorpork.wordpress.com]<br/><br />
Launched August 2015; finished June 2021.<br />
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Irish hosts Colm and Steve (and sometimes Rose) read each Discworld book in order, creating a ranked list of their favourites and a few other lists as well. Now complete, with an episode for every Discworld book - the first of the read-through podcasts to achieve this milestone! - and a couple of extras.<br />
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==== ''The Death of Podcasts'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://sites.google.com/view/aalgarcom/content/death-of-podcasts aalgarcom]<br/><br />
Launched November 2018; finished January 2022.<br />
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Hosted by married American couple Amanda Smith and Ron “AAlgar” Watt. Describes itself as "a comprehensive review of Terry Pratchett's Discworld series." [https://deathofpodcasts.tumblr.com Also on Tumblr.]<br />
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==== ''Wyrd Sisters'' ==== <br />
Official site: [https://wyrdsisters.podbean.com wyrdsisters.podbean.com]<br/><br />
Launched January 2019; finished September 2022.<br />
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A monthly Discworld re-read podcast, hosted by Americans Dani, Manning and Liz. [https://wyrdsisterspodcast.tumblr.com/ Also has a Tumblr.]<br />
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==== ''Desert Island Discworld'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://www.desertislanddiscworld.com desertislanddiscworld.com]<br/><br />
Launched November 2019; finished 2023.<br />
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A Discworld interview podcast. Scottish host Al Kennedy (best known for his comics podcast ''[https://www.housetoastonish.com House to Astonish]'') interviews a variety of guests about their favourite Terry Pratchett book. On the 40th anniversary of Discworld, and it’s own fourth anniversary, ended after seven full seasons with a two-episode mini-season covering the last books it hadn’t already discussed, {{E}} (with guests from three other Pratchett podcasts) and {{TSC}} (in which [[Marc Burrows]] guest hosted and interviewed Al). <br />
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=== Active Podcasts ===<br />
These podcasts are in active production.<br />
==== ''Pratchat'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://pratchatpodcast.com pratchatpodcast.com]<br/><br />
Launched November 2017, released on the 7Ath of each month.<br />
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Australian hosts Elizabeth Flux (writer) and Ben McKenzie (comedian) read and discuss every Pratchett book (not just the Discworld), each with a special guest. Not following strict chronological order, and also now incorporating Pratchett's short stories. Also has a supporter only bonus podcast, ''Ook Club''.<br />
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==== ''The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://thetruthshallmakeyefret.com/category/episode/ thetruthshallmakeyefret.com]<br/><br />
Launched November 2019; released weekly. <br />
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A weekly Discworld podcast. Hosts Joanna Hagan-Young and Francine Carrel read, recap and discuss every Discworld book, in chronological order. Three episodes for each book with a week off in between (often filled with recaps/discussions of related media).<br />
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==== ''The Compleat Discography'' ==== <br />
Official site: [https://www.compleatdiscography.page/ compleatdiscography.page]<br/><br />
Launched January 2020; released fortnightly, at least at launch.<br />
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“Four nerds” (later three, often with a guest) do a book club style read-through of the Discworld novels and related works, in publication order. Finished the run of all 41 novels in June 2023, but in December 2023 started a second season that is meant to cover the other Discworld books, starting with {{TAG}}.<br />
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==== ''Who Watches the Watch'' ==== <br />
Official site: [https://who-watches-the-watch.pinecast.co/ pinecast.co]<br/><br />
Launched May 2020; released roughly monthly, with 2-3 episodes per book discussed<br />
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A collection of Terry Pratchett fans - Chaz, Lucy, Janos and George - began to re-read the Watch novels in anticipation of ''[[TV & Film:The Watch|The Watch]]'', planning to compare the two versions. They ended up pivoting to reading the Discworld books in order of release, with two or three episodes per book and lots of digressions. Refer to themselves as the ‘bad boys’ of Discworld podcasting, and now make many other podcasts as well, under the banner of “Good Episode Productions”. These include ''Immortal Incantations: Heartspell'', which started as a look into self-published fiction on Amazon and became instead a chronicle of the writing and publication of their own series of young adult novels, “Immortal Incantations”.<br />
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==== ''The Disc-Course'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://shows.acast.com/the-disc-course acast.com]<br/><br />
Launched July 2020; released fortnightly in seasons of roughly 20 episodes<br />
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American and English Discworld fans, Holly and Julie, discuss the series with two new readers, Americans Mark and Jess. Reading the books in order, but slowly - each book is covered over between two and six fortnightly episodes. As of 2022, they’ve completed two seasons taking them up to {{RM}}.<br />
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==== ''Disc Coverers'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://anchor.fm/discpod anchor.fm]<br/><br />
Launched November 2020; released roughly monthly<br />
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Another in-order Discworld novel podcast, "reading, reviewing and objectively ranking all 41 Discworld novels, chronologically". Hosted by four trans-femmes - Iris Jay, Grace Lovelace, Balina Mahigan, and Juniper Theory - with various levels of familiarity with the books.<br />
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==== ''Unseen Academicals'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://unseenacademicals.sounder.fm sounder.fm]<br/><br />
Launched March 2021; released roughly monthly<br />
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Originally two Australian academics, Josh and Alice, but now just Josh; he analyses the Discworld books from an academic perspective, beginning with ''Unseen Academicals''. May feature guests in future. <br />
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==== ''Nanny Ogg's Book Club'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://nannyoggsbookclub.fireside.fm/ fireside.fm]<br/><br />
Launched September 2021; released fortnightly<br />
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A read-through of all 41 Discworld books - though not, initially, in publication order - with American Tessa (of the ''Monkey Off My Backlog'' podcast) and Irish Nigel (of ''Hyperfixations'' and other podcasts).<br />
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==== ''I've Never Read Discworld'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://anchor.fm/iveneverreaddiscworld/ anchor.fm]<br/><br />
Launched September 2022; released monthly<br />
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Two Irish friends read and chat about all 41 Discworld books: "experienced wizard" P J Hart (a fan who's read them all before), and "tourist" Andy Luke (the "I" of the title).<br />
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==== ''The Turtle Reads'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://the-turtle-reads.captivate.fm/ captivate.fm]<br/><br />
Launched December 2022; released monthly<br />
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New York comedian Melissa Diaz has a casual chat with her friend Clay Foreman about anything and everything, including a nominated Discworld book or adaptation each episode. Since late 2023 have stopped covering Discworld books and started on the works of other authors, including Ursula K Le Guin, Neil Gaiman and Steven King.<br />
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=== Inactive Podcasts ===<br />
==== ''The Turtle Moves'' ====<br />
Launched in 2008 and released sporadically until December 2014<br />
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The earliest Pratchett podcast by a large margin. A solo podcast hosted by Alex Gilmour. There's a Tumblr page for the original version at [https://turtlemoves.tumblr.com turtlemoves.tumblr.com], though only the last couple of original episodes were posted there. No longer available as the RSS feed was repurposed for ''Pterry Ptalk'' (see below).<br />
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==== ''The Pratchett Podcast'' ====<br />
Launched October 2011; released monthly or bi-monthly for 61 episodes through to October 2018.<br />
<br />
A sometimes monthly news, discussion and review podcast, mostly about the Discworld. Hosted by Graeme Sheridan and sometimes Rhys Parton. [https://www.talkshoe.com/show/the-pratchett-podcast Most recent thirty episodes available here]; the [https://thepratchettpodcast.wordpress.com first fifteen episodes here].<br />
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==== ''Ankh-Morpork Public Radio'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://shoutengine.com/AnkhMorporkPublicRadio/ shoutengine.com]<br/><br />
Launched in September 2016, and released monthly to November 2016.<br />
<br />
A Discworld re-read podcast hosted by Discworld newcomer Trevor and long time Pratchett fan Jodhi Doyle. Only two episodes appear to have been made (''[[Book:The Colour of Magic|The Colour of Magic]]'' and ''[[Book:The Light Fantastic| The Light Fantastic]]'').<br />
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==== ''Pterry Ptalk'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://turtlemoves.podbean.com podbean.com]<br/><br />
Launched in February 2021; only one episode released<br />
<br />
A re-launch of ''The Turtle Moves'' (see above) using the old RSS feed, making the earlier podcast no longer available.<br />
<br />
==== ''Tales From the Drum'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://mindkindle.net/ mindkindle.net]<br/><br />
Launched April 2019; released frequently until November 2021<br />
<br />
A roughly weekly Discworld discussion podcast. Hosted by "the Medieval Gnome", an American fantasy fan, who describes this podcast as "a portal between that fantasy world called the Discworld and [[Roundworld]], what we call reality". Also released ten "The Portal's Pratchett Passages", bonus episodes of excerpts from the books, and more than 75 "Pratchips", 3-minute mini episodes. It changed names several times - it was originally called ''The Discworld Portal'' until September 2020, when it seems it may have been asked to change the name by the Pratchett estate. It was then briefly ''The Mystery Portal'', then ''Ponder's Wizardly Portal'' and ''The Witches and Wizard's Portal'' until October 2021, when it adopted the final name. No longer available, aside from a few episodes on its YouTube channel.<br />
<br />
==== ''And he said to me'' ====<br />
Official site: none, but it appears to be on most podcast platforms.<br/><br />
Launched December 2019, two episodes released by April 2020<br />
<br />
Artist and author [[Bernard Pearson]], longtime friend of Terry's and owner of the [[Discworld Emporium]], shares stories about Pratchett in conversation with his other friends. Only two episodes were released: one with [[Rob Wilkins]] and another with Pearson’s wife Isobel. They have been removed from the podcast host and are no longer available.<br />
<br />
==== ''Ook!'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://anchor.fm/ookpod anchor.fm]<br/><br />
Launched April 2021; planned fortnightly release<br />
<br />
Young Australians Kayleigh Love and River Lewis read one Discworld book every episode and discuss it. Only one episode released.<br />
<br />
==== ''Klatschianischer Kaffee'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://pterrylog.podigee.io/ podigee.io]<br/><br />
Launched November 2021; episodes released frequently until March 2022<br />
<br />
A German language podcast discussing the audiobook version of ''Total verhext'', i.e. {{WS}}, "chapter by chapter" (we assume the audiobook has chapters).<br />
<br />
==== ''PTerrylog'' ====<br />
Official site: [http://klatschianischerkaffee.de/ klatschianischerkaffee.de]<br/><br />
Launched December 2021; episodes released monthly until April 2022<br />
<br />
A German language podcast discussing the audiobook version of ''Total verhext'', i.e. {{WS}}, "chapter by chapter" (we assume the audiobook has chapters). From the episode descriptions, didn't appear to reach the end of the book when it stopped putting out new episodes.<br />
<br />
==== ''Hubward Bound'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://hubwardbound.podbean.com/ podbean.com]<br/><br />
Launched May 2022; released fortnightly until June 2022<br />
<br />
A read-through of all 41 Discworld books, taking multiple episodes per book, with Quinn and Ludo. Has stalled after two episodes, but might return.<br />
<br />
== Other Podcasts with Regular Discworld Content ==<br />
These shows are broader fiction podcasts which regularly produce Discworld-themed episodes. They also read a lot of books by authors from the recommendations list. <br />
<br />
* '''''Dragon Babies''''' ([https://www.dragonbabiespodcast.com/ dragonbabiespodcast.com]) - launched September 2016. Discussion of young adult fantasy (like some other American shows, they treat all of Discworld as YA). Has covered {{GO}} and four Discworld books so far.<br />
* '''''Stuck on Arrakis''''' ([https://stuckonarrakis.buzzsprout.com/ buzzsprout.com]) - launched September 2018. Discussion of intimidating speculative fiction series; started with ''The Wheel of Time'', with Discworld episodes added for season two, in October 2020. Currently inactive.<br />
* '''''Teaching My Cat to Read''''' ([https://teachingmycattoread.wordpress.com/ wordpress.com]) - launched September 2020. Four British friends turn their lockdown Zoom book club, which was always gatecrashed by a cat, into a podcast. Mostly classics and fantasy, but intend to include as many Pratchett books as possible. <br />
* '''''Fiction Fans''''' ([http://fictionfanspodcast.com/ fictionfanspodcast.com]) - launched February 2021. General book podcast with a preference for fantasy; has a regular "Journey to the Centre of the Discworld" segment, in which the hosts read the Discworld books in order. These later become whole episodes of the show. Of note: have interviewed Rhianna Pratchett about her book ''Campaigns & Companions''.<br />
* '''''Beyond the Bindings''''' ([https://www.buzzsprout.com/1728184 buzzsprout.com]) - launched March 2021. A solo, weekly fiction podcast primarily discussing fantasy; did the first five Discworld novels in consecutive order, now returning to the series about every few months.<br />
* '''''Northern Winds Fantasy Podcast''''' ([https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/three-rivers-boys spotify.com]) - launched September 2021. General fantasy fiction. {{SG}} was their first Pratchet; they now seem to be going through the Discworld in order, around other books.<br />
* '''''Books are Magical''''' ([https://booksaremagical.buzzsprout.com/ buzzsprout.com]) - launched September 2022. General book podcast; only featured a couple of Pratchett books so far.<br />
* '''''Just Dads Reading Books''''' ([https://redcircle.com/shows/c9a89ab2-0f6c-4812-892b-86feb0b24759 redcircle.com]) - launched January 2023. YA books from parents’ perspective (another one that treats the Discworld as YA); have covered a couple of the books so far.<br />
<br />
== Good Omens Podcasts ==<br />
Recap podcasts are more popular for television shows, so several popped up to discuss the first season of ''[[Film & TV:Good Omens|Good Omens]]''. None are currently active, though some may return for the second season.<br />
<br />
* '''''Welcome to the End Times''''' ([https://anchor.fm/welcome-to-the-end-times anchor.fm]) - launched March 2019. Also covered the book.<br />
* '''''The Fangirl Zone: Good Omens''''' ([https://the-fangirl-zone-good-omens.castos.com/ castos.com]) - launched May 2019.<br />
* '''''Good Omens Podcast''''' ([https://www.tvpodcastindustries.com/category/podcast/goodomens/ tvpodcastindustries.com]) - launched May 2019.<br />
* '''''The Good Omens Podcast''''' ([http://afterbuzztv.com/shows/good-omens-after-show afterbuzztv.com]) - launched June 2019. <br />
* '''''Good Omens Recap''''' - launched June 2019. No longer available.<br />
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[[Category:Peripherals|Podcasts]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Podcasts&diff=35219Podcasts2024-02-10T04:30:31Z<p>Guybrush: Updated a couple of shows</p>
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<div>'''Podcasts''' are episodic audio programs distributed digitally, usually via an [[wikipedia:RSS|RSS feed]]. Most people listen to them through "podcatcher" software, and there are several directories which catalogue active podcasts.<br />
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The first Terry Pratchett-related podcast was the no longer active ''The Pratchett Podcast'' in 2011. Since Terry's death, and particularly in the last few years, several shows have appeared where the hosts read and comment on the Discworld books, usually in chronological order. This is an adaptation of the popular "TV recap" podcast format. Such podcasts are sometimes described as "fancasts".<br />
<br />
We used to try and cross-reference podcasts and books in a large table, but it grew unwieldy. If you would like to find all the episodes about a book, or find all the podcasts indexed in one place, see our cousin wiki, [https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com the Guild of Recappers & Podcasters].<br />
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== Discworld Podcasts ==<br />
Podcasts below are categorised as Complete, Active or Inactive, and listed in each category in chronological order, based on launch date. Some also cover other works by Pratchett, though most only do so occasionally and are focussed on the forty-one Discworld novels, and sometimes the film and television adaptations.<br />
<br />
=== Complete Podcasts ===<br />
These shows have read through all forty-one Discworld books, or otherwise officially ended.<br />
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==== ''Radio Morpork'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://radiomorpork.wordpress.com/ radiomorpork.wordpress.com]<br/><br />
Launched August 2015; finished June 2021.<br />
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Irish hosts Colm and Steve (and sometimes Rose) read each Discworld book in order, creating a ranked list of their favourites and a few other lists as well. Now complete, with an episode for every Discworld book - the first of the read-through podcasts to achieve this milestone! - and a couple of extras.<br />
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==== ''The Death of Podcasts'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://sites.google.com/view/aalgarcom/content/death-of-podcasts aalgarcom]<br/><br />
Launched November 2018; finished January 2022.<br />
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Hosted by married American couple Amanda Smith and Ron “AAlgar” Watt. Describes itself as "a comprehensive review of Terry Pratchett's Discworld series." [https://deathofpodcasts.tumblr.com Also on Tumblr.]<br />
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==== ''Wyrd Sisters'' ==== <br />
Official site: [https://wyrdsisters.podbean.com wyrdsisters.podbean.com]<br/><br />
Launched January 2019; finished September 2022.<br />
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A monthly Discworld re-read podcast, hosted by Americans Dani, Manning and Liz. [https://wyrdsisterspodcast.tumblr.com/ Also has a Tumblr.]<br />
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==== ''Desert Island Discworld'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://www.desertislanddiscworld.com desertislanddiscworld.com]<br/><br />
Launched November 2019; finished 2023.<br />
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A Discworld interview podcast. Scottish host Al Kennedy (best known for his comics podcast ''[https://www.housetoastonish.com House to Astonish]'') interviews a variety of guests about their favourite Terry Pratchett book. On the 40th anniversary of Discworld, and it’s own fourth anniversary, ended after seven full seasons with a two-episode mini-season covering the last books it hadn’t already discussed, {{E}} (with guests from three other Pratchett podcasts) and {{TSC}} (in which [[Marc Burrows]] guest hosted and interviewed Al). <br />
<br />
=== Active Podcasts ===<br />
These podcasts are in active production.<br />
==== ''Pratchat'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://pratchatpodcast.com pratchatpodcast.com]<br/><br />
Launched November 2017, released on the 7Ath of each month.<br />
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Australian hosts Elizabeth Flux (writer) and Ben McKenzie (comedian) read and discuss every Pratchett book (not just the Discworld), each with a special guest. Not following strict chronological order, and also now incorporating Pratchett's short stories. Also has a supporter only bonus podcast, ''Ook Club''.<br />
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==== ''The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://thetruthshallmakeyefret.com/category/episode/ thetruthshallmakeyefret.com]<br/><br />
Launched November 2019; released weekly. <br />
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A weekly Discworld podcast. Hosts Joanna Hagan-Young and Francine Carrel read, recap and discuss every Discworld book, in chronological order. Three episodes for each book with a week off in between (often filled with recaps/discussions of related media).<br />
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==== ''The Compleat Discography'' ==== <br />
Official site: [https://www.compleatdiscography.page/ compleatdiscography.page]<br/><br />
Launched January 2020; released fortnightly, at least at launch.<br />
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“Four nerds” (later three, often with a guest) do a book club style read-through of the Discworld novels and related works, in publication order. Finished the run of all 41 novels in June 2023, but in December 2023 started a second season that is meant to cover the other Discworld books, starting with {{TAG}}.<br />
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==== ''Who Watches the Watch'' ==== <br />
Official site: [https://who-watches-the-watch.pinecast.co/ pinecast.co]<br/><br />
Launched May 2020; released roughly monthly, with 2-3 episodes per book discussed<br />
<br />
A collection of Terry Pratchett fans - Chaz, Lucy, Janos and George - began to re-read the Watch novels in anticipation of ''[[TV & Film:The Watch|The Watch]]'', planning to compare the two versions. They ended up pivoting to reading the Discworld books in order of release, with two or three episodes per book and lots of digressions. Refer to themselves as the ‘bad boys’ of Discworld podcasting, and now make many other podcasts as well, under the banner of “Good Episode Productions”. These include ''Immortal Incantations: Heartspell'', which started as a look into self-published fiction on Amazon and became instead a chronicle of the writing and publication of their own series of young adult novels, “Immortal Incantations”.<br />
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==== ''The Disc-Course'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://shows.acast.com/the-disc-course acast.com]<br/><br />
Launched July 2020; released fortnightly in seasons of roughly 20 episodes<br />
<br />
American and English Discworld fans, Holly and Julie, discuss the series with two new readers, Americans Mark and Jess. Reading the books in order, but slowly - each book is covered over between two and six fortnightly episodes. As of 2022, they’ve completed two seasons taking them up to {{RM}}.<br />
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==== ''Disc Coverers'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://anchor.fm/discpod anchor.fm]<br/><br />
Launched November 2020; released roughly monthly<br />
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Another in-order Discworld novel podcast, "reading, reviewing and objectively ranking all 41 Discworld novels, chronologically". Hosted by four trans-femmes - Iris Jay, Grace Lovelace, Balina Mahigan, and Juniper Theory - with various levels of familiarity with the books.<br />
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==== ''Unseen Academicals'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://unseenacademicals.sounder.fm sounder.fm]<br/><br />
Launched March 2021; released roughly monthly<br />
<br />
Originally two Australian academics, Josh and Alice, but now just Josh; he analyses the Discworld books from an academic perspective, beginning with ''Unseen Academicals''. May feature guests in future. <br />
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==== ''Nanny Ogg's Book Club'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://nannyoggsbookclub.fireside.fm/ fireside.fm]<br/><br />
Launched September 2021; released fortnightly<br />
<br />
A read-through of all 41 Discworld books - though not, initially, in publication order - with American Tessa (of the ''Monkey Off My Backlog'' podcast) and Irish Nigel (of ''Hyperfixations'' and other podcasts).<br />
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==== ''I've Never Read Discworld'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://anchor.fm/iveneverreaddiscworld/ anchor.fm]<br/><br />
Launched September 2022; released monthly<br />
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Two Irish friends read and chat about all 41 Discworld books: "experienced wizard" P J Hart (a fan who's read them all before), and "tourist" Andy Luke (the "I" of the title).<br />
<br />
==== ''The Turtle Reads'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://the-turtle-reads.captivate.fm/ captivate.fm]<br/><br />
Launched December 2022; released monthly<br />
<br />
New York comedian Melissa Diaz has a casual chat with her friend Clay Foreman about anything and everything, including a nominated Discworld book or adaptation each episode.<br />
<br />
=== Inactive Podcasts ===<br />
==== ''The Turtle Moves'' ====<br />
Launched in 2008 and released sporadically until December 2014<br />
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The earliest Pratchett podcast by a large margin. A solo podcast hosted by Alex Gilmour. There's a Tumblr page for the original version at [https://turtlemoves.tumblr.com turtlemoves.tumblr.com], though only the last couple of original episodes were posted there. No longer available as the RSS feed was repurposed for ''Pterry Ptalk'' (see below).<br />
<br />
==== ''The Pratchett Podcast'' ====<br />
Launched October 2011; released monthly or bi-monthly for 61 episodes through to October 2018.<br />
<br />
A sometimes monthly news, discussion and review podcast, mostly about the Discworld. Hosted by Graeme Sheridan and sometimes Rhys Parton. [https://www.talkshoe.com/show/the-pratchett-podcast Most recent thirty episodes available here]; the [https://thepratchettpodcast.wordpress.com first fifteen episodes here].<br />
<br />
==== ''Ankh-Morpork Public Radio'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://shoutengine.com/AnkhMorporkPublicRadio/ shoutengine.com]<br/><br />
Launched in September 2016, and released monthly to November 2016.<br />
<br />
A Discworld re-read podcast hosted by Discworld newcomer Trevor and long time Pratchett fan Jodhi Doyle. Only two episodes appear to have been made (''[[Book:The Colour of Magic|The Colour of Magic]]'' and ''[[Book:The Light Fantastic| The Light Fantastic]]'').<br />
<br />
==== ''Pterry Ptalk'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://turtlemoves.podbean.com podbean.com]<br/><br />
Launched in February 2021; only one episode released<br />
<br />
A re-launch of ''The Turtle Moves'' (see above) using the old RSS feed, making the earlier podcast no longer available.<br />
<br />
==== ''Tales From the Drum'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://mindkindle.net/ mindkindle.net]<br/><br />
Launched April 2019; released frequently until November 2021<br />
<br />
A roughly weekly Discworld discussion podcast. Hosted by "the Medieval Gnome", an American fantasy fan, who describes this podcast as "a portal between that fantasy world called the Discworld and [[Roundworld]], what we call reality". Also released ten "The Portal's Pratchett Passages", bonus episodes of excerpts from the books, and more than 75 "Pratchips", 3-minute mini episodes. It changed names several times - it was originally called ''The Discworld Portal'' until September 2020, when it seems it may have been asked to change the name by the Pratchett estate. It was then briefly ''The Mystery Portal'', then ''Ponder's Wizardly Portal'' and ''The Witches and Wizard's Portal'' until October 2021, when it adopted the final name. No longer available, aside from a few episodes on its YouTube channel.<br />
<br />
==== ''And he said to me'' ====<br />
Official site: none, but it appears to be on most podcast platforms.<br/><br />
Launched December 2019, two episodes released by April 2020<br />
<br />
Artist and author [[Bernard Pearson]], longtime friend of Terry's and owner of the [[Discworld Emporium]], shares stories about Pratchett in conversation with his other friends. Only two episodes were released: one with [[Rob Wilkins]] and another with Pearson’s wife Isobel. They have been removed from the podcast host and are no longer available.<br />
<br />
==== ''Ook!'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://anchor.fm/ookpod anchor.fm]<br/><br />
Launched April 2021; planned fortnightly release<br />
<br />
Young Australians Kayleigh Love and River Lewis read one Discworld book every episode and discuss it. Only one episode released.<br />
<br />
==== ''Klatschianischer Kaffee'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://pterrylog.podigee.io/ podigee.io]<br/><br />
Launched November 2021; episodes released frequently until March 2022<br />
<br />
A German language podcast discussing the audiobook version of ''Total verhext'', i.e. {{WS}}, "chapter by chapter" (we assume the audiobook has chapters).<br />
<br />
==== ''PTerrylog'' ====<br />
Official site: [http://klatschianischerkaffee.de/ klatschianischerkaffee.de]<br/><br />
Launched December 2021; episodes released monthly until April 2022<br />
<br />
A German language podcast discussing the audiobook version of ''Total verhext'', i.e. {{WS}}, "chapter by chapter" (we assume the audiobook has chapters). From the episode descriptions, didn't appear to reach the end of the book when it stopped putting out new episodes.<br />
<br />
==== ''Hubward Bound'' ====<br />
Official site: [https://hubwardbound.podbean.com/ podbean.com]<br/><br />
Launched May 2022; released fortnightly until June 2022<br />
<br />
A read-through of all 41 Discworld books, taking multiple episodes per book, with Quinn and Ludo. Has stalled after two episodes, but might return.<br />
<br />
== Other Podcasts with Regular Discworld Content ==<br />
These shows are broader fiction podcasts which regularly produce Discworld-themed episodes. They also read a lot of books by authors from the recommendations list. <br />
<br />
* '''''Dragon Babies''''' ([https://www.dragonbabiespodcast.com/ dragonbabiespodcast.com]) - launched September 2016. Discussion of young adult fantasy (like some other American shows, they treat all of Discworld as YA). Has covered {{GO}} and four Discworld books so far.<br />
* '''''Stuck on Arrakis''''' ([https://stuckonarrakis.buzzsprout.com/ buzzsprout.com]) - launched September 2018. Discussion of intimidating speculative fiction series; started with ''The Wheel of Time'', with Discworld episodes added for season two, in October 2020. Currently inactive.<br />
* '''''Teaching My Cat to Read''''' ([https://teachingmycattoread.wordpress.com/ wordpress.com]) - launched September 2020. Four British friends turn their lockdown Zoom book club, which was always gatecrashed by a cat, into a podcast. Mostly classics and fantasy, but intend to include as many Pratchett books as possible. <br />
* '''''Fiction Fans''''' ([http://fictionfanspodcast.com/ fictionfanspodcast.com]) - launched February 2021. General book podcast with a preference for fantasy; has a regular "Journey to the Centre of the Discworld" segment, in which the hosts read the Discworld books in order. These later become whole episodes of the show. Of note: have interviewed Rhianna Pratchett about her book ''Campaigns & Companions''.<br />
* '''''Beyond the Bindings''''' ([https://www.buzzsprout.com/1728184 buzzsprout.com]) - launched March 2021. A solo, weekly fiction podcast primarily discussing fantasy; did the first five Discworld novels in consecutive order, now returning to the series about every few months.<br />
* '''''Northern Winds Fantasy Podcast''''' ([https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/three-rivers-boys spotify.com]) - launched September 2021. General fantasy fiction. {{SG}} was their first Pratchet; they now seem to be going through the Discworld in order, around other books.<br />
* '''''Books are Magical''''' ([https://booksaremagical.buzzsprout.com/ buzzsprout.com]) - launched September 2022. General book podcast; only featured a couple of Pratchett books so far.<br />
* '''''Just Dads Reading Books''''' ([https://redcircle.com/shows/c9a89ab2-0f6c-4812-892b-86feb0b24759 redcircle.com]) - launched January 2023. YA books from parents’ perspective (another one that treats the Discworld as YA); have covered a couple of the books so far.<br />
<br />
== Good Omens Podcasts ==<br />
Recap podcasts are more popular for television shows, so several popped up to discuss the first season of ''[[Film & TV:Good Omens|Good Omens]]''. None are currently active, though some may return for the second season.<br />
<br />
* '''''Welcome to the End Times''''' ([https://anchor.fm/welcome-to-the-end-times anchor.fm]) - launched March 2019. Also covered the book.<br />
* '''''The Fangirl Zone: Good Omens''''' ([https://the-fangirl-zone-good-omens.castos.com/ castos.com]) - launched May 2019.<br />
* '''''Good Omens Podcast''''' ([https://www.tvpodcastindustries.com/category/podcast/goodomens/ tvpodcastindustries.com]) - launched May 2019.<br />
* '''''The Good Omens Podcast''''' ([http://afterbuzztv.com/shows/good-omens-after-show afterbuzztv.com]) - launched June 2019. <br />
* '''''Good Omens Recap''''' - launched June 2019. No longer available.<br />
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[[Category:Peripherals|Podcasts]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Crueltide&diff=35209Crueltide2024-02-01T09:33:39Z<p>Guybrush: </p>
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<div>'''Crueltide''' is a Discworld holiday marking the half-way point through the full 800-day [[Discworld calendar|Discworld year]], the mid-point of Spindlewinter, the first of the year’s two Winters. It is mentioned only in the footnote in {{COM}} which explains the Disc’s seasons, where it said to alternate with “[[Hogswatch|Hog’s Watch Night]]”, which marks the end of the full 800-day year.<br />
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Crueltide is then never mentioned again, and in later books [[Hogswatch]] is treated as though it happens at the end of every Winter. While this has caused some confusion, the seeming contradiction was explained in {{DC}}.<br />
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Simply, as a 400-day cycle of one of each season has become the more commonly used definition of a “year” (thanks in part to the [[University Calendar]], but mostly due to the practicalities of farming), in most areas folks just use the one name, Hogswatchnight, for every Winter festival. Similarly, Small Gods’ Eve is said to be the early half-year equivalent of Midsummer Eve, but again most folks just celebrate Midsummer Eve (also known as All’s Fallow) every Summer.<br />
<br />
In older times when the full year calendar was more in favour, presumably there were distinct Crueltide traditions. But as gods and god-like beings are created and sustained by belief, and the observance of just one set of yearly traditions every 400 days became more common, no doubt the Hogfather started to visit every Winter, as those who believed in him expected. Perhaps somewhere out there is a forgotten counterpart to the Hogfather, subsisting on the scraps of belief from those who like to say “Well, actually it's only a half-year, so ''technically'' it's Crueltide” every other year...<br />
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[[Category:Discworld concepts]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Crueltide&diff=35208Crueltide2024-02-01T09:33:16Z<p>Guybrush: </p>
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<div>'''Crueltide''' is a Discworld holiday marking the half-way point through the full [[Discworld calendar|Discworld year]], the mid-point of Spindlewinter, the first of the year’s two Winters. It is mentioned only in the footnote in {{COM}} which explains the Disc’s seasons, where it said to alternate with “[[Hogswatch|Hog’s Watch Night]]”, which marks the end of the full 800-day year.<br />
<br />
Crueltide is then never mentioned again, and in later books [[Hogswatch]] is treated as though it happens at the end of every Winter. While this has caused some confusion, the seeming contradiction was explained in {{DC}}.<br />
<br />
Simply, as a 400-day cycle of one of each season has become the more commonly used definition of a “year” (thanks in part to the [[University Calendar]], but mostly due to the practicalities of farming), in most areas folks just use the one name, Hogswatchnight, for every Winter festival. Similarly, Small Gods’ Eve is said to be the early half-year equivalent of Midsummer Eve, but again most folks just celebrate Midsummer Eve (also known as All’s Fallow) every Summer.<br />
<br />
In older times when the full year calendar was more in favour, presumably there were distinct Crueltide traditions. But as gods and god-like beings are created and sustained by belief, and the observance of just one set of yearly traditions every 400 days became more common, no doubt the Hogfather started to visit every Winter, as those who believed in him expected. Perhaps somewhere out there is a forgotten counterpart to the Hogfather, subsisting on the scraps of belief from those who like to say “Well, actually it's only a half-year, so ''technically'' it's Crueltide” every other year...<br />
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[[Category:Discworld concepts]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Talk:Crueltide&diff=35207Talk:Crueltide2024-02-01T09:32:35Z<p>Guybrush: </p>
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<div>==Solstice-Celebration? 12-Days of Hogswatch? Hannukah?==<br />
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A shot in the blue but maybe it is one forgotten, rarely celebrated or just celebrated by a certain religion/species. We have various festivities around that time of year on Roundworld, why should Discworld only have one single thing? Not to mention that Crueltide sounds suspiciously like Yuletide...--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 17:47, 22 April 2011 (CEST)<br />
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:It certainly does, but the main description of the calendar comes early in {{COM}}, where Crueltide is the beginning of the second half-year in Backspindlewinter or Winter Secundus. There are then 12 months again to another Hogswatch. It would appear that Hogswatch, as a popular festival with feasts and presents, somehow took over (with some pushing by Vernon Crumley and the Merchants' Guild?) and has been celebrated twice a year since then. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 18:09, 22 April 2011 (CEST)<br />
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It's the Tubso/Bissonomy thing again? On Roundworld a lot of formerly hallowed festivals have gone because they've been rendered obselete or simply aren't as important any more. While the ''Book of Common Prayer'' still lists Lammas and Candlemas as feast days in the English Christian calendar, who today can tell you what they were ''for'', let alone celebrates them?--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 10:23, 28 June 2011 (CEST)<br />
:Practically/literarily, once it was established that the Hogfather was responsible for the death and renewal of the year and the sun wouldn't come back without him, there needed to be a Hogswatch every winter. I guess it will remain a minor mystery down the list from the Patrician of {{COM}} and some other imponderables. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 17:23, 28 June 2011 (CEST)<br />
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This is actually explained in the Discworld Companion (at least as far back as the edition from 1997), and the roleplaying game which drew on the companion. In brief: correctly Crueltide is the first Winter festival, marking half-way through the full 800-day Disc year, and Hogswatchnight is the one at the proper end of the year. But most people just call both Hogswatch. The same is true of Small Gods’ Eve and Midsummer Eve (aka All Fallow’s). I’m going to put that explanation in the article. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 08:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)<br />
:I did a search through my ebook copies of the early books, and while Hogswatch is mentioned in nearly every book from {{COM}} onwards, I couldn’t find ''any'' mention of Crueltide outside of the footnote in {{COM}}. I’ve included this as part of the updated entry here. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 09:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Crueltide&diff=35206Crueltide2024-02-01T09:27:58Z<p>Guybrush: Updated with the official explanation from the Companion, with a little speculation at the end for flavour</p>
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<div>'''Crueltide''' is a Discworld holiday marking the half-way point through the full [[Discworld calendar|Discworld year]], the end of Spindlewinter, the first of the year’s two Winters. It is mentioned only in the footnote in {{COM}} which explains the Disc’s seasons, where it said to alternate with “[[Hogswatch|Hog’s Watch Night]]”, which marks the end of the full 800-day year.<br />
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Crueltide is then never mentioned again, and in later books [[Hogswatch]] is treated as though it happens at the end of every Winter. While this has caused some confusion, the seeming contradiction was explained in {{DC}}.<br />
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Simply, as a 400-day cycle of one of each season has become the more commonly used definition of a “year” (thanks in part to the [[University Calendar]], but mostly due to the practicalities of farming), in most areas folks just use the one name, Hogswatchnight, for every Winter festival. Similarly, Small Gods’ Eve is said to be the early half-year equivalent of Midsummer Eve, but again most folks just celebrate Midsummer Eve (also known as All’s Fallow) every Summer.<br />
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In older times when the full year calendar was more in favour, presumably there were distinct Crueltide traditions. But as gods and god-like beings are created and sustained by belief, and the observance of just one set of yearly traditions every 400 days became more common, no doubt the Hogfather started to visit every Winter, as those who believed in him expected. Perhaps somewhere out there is a forgotten counterpart to the Hogfather, subsisting on the scraps of belief from those who like to say “Well, actually it's only a half-year, so ''technically'' it's Crueltide” every other year...<br />
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[[Category:Discworld concepts]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Discworld_calendar&diff=35205Discworld calendar2024-02-01T08:55:21Z<p>Guybrush: /* Inconsistencies with the order of months */</p>
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<div>{{hatnote|This article is about the counting and naming of years and days on Discworld. For the calendar-like-books, like ''Diaries'', see [[Bibliography#Diaries|Bibliography]]. For the commercial wall-calendars, see [[Discworld Calendars]].}}<br />
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==General==<br />
A Discworld celestial year has 800 days and because of some interesting astronomical facts two of each seasons (two summers, two winters, etc.). This leads to the fact that many people actually do not count the astronomical years, but the half-years with 400 days, often refered to as "common years". The half-year has 13 months, listed below. Each month except Ick has 32 days, Ick has 16 days. Each week has eight days. The eighth day of each week is called Octeday.<br />
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There are two main calendars in use on Discworld. The [[Ankh-Morpork Calendar]] counts full years and starts at the founding of [[Ankh-Morpork]], the [[University Calendar]] starts at the founding of [[Unseen University]] (in 1282 AM) and counts in half-years. Oddly enough, while the Imperial Ankh-Morpork calendar offers intellectual purity and mathematical elegance, the general populace tends to use the Weird, Wild, Wacky Wizards' calendar, which happens to correspond to the growing season.<br />
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==Years and centuries==<br />
Centuries and years are named. We are currently in the Century of the Anchovy ({{CJ}}). It was preceded by the Century of the Fruitbat ({{MP}}) and even earlier by the [[Century of the Three Lice]], and the [[Djelibeybi|Century of the Cobra]] ({{SG}}).<br />
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In {{FOC}} [[Doc Pseudopolis]], President of the Guild of Gamblers, says “in a few years it’ll be the [[Century of the Rat]].” No-one objects to this, but subsequent Discworld novels that mention the century refer to the [[Century of the Anchovy]], perhaps suggesting that centuries are not named that far in advance (and that this is a bet Doc has lost).<br />
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* The [[Century of the Summer Weevil]] (mentioned in {{UA}})<br />
* The [[Century of the Dragonfly]] (mentioned in {{RM}})<br />
* The [[Century of the Cobra]] (mentioned in {{P}})<br />
* The [[Century of the Three Lice]] (mentioned in {{RM}} and the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'')<br />
* The [[Century of the Fruitbat]] (mentioned in {{RM}}, {{MAA}}, {{MP}}, {{SG}}, {{LL}}, {{CJ}}, {{T5E}}, {{TT}}, {{SM}}, {{P}} and the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'')<br />
* The [[Century of the Anchovy]] (mentioned in {{GP}}, {{MM}} and the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'')<br />
* The [[Century of the Rat]] (mentioned in {{FOC}})<br />
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== Notable past years==<br />
* The [[Kreeblephor|Year of the Lenient Vegetable]] - in which Bishop [[Kreeblephor]] converted a demon to the [[Om]]nian faith.<br />
* The [[Year of the Significant Triangle]] (Birth year of [[Windle Poons]])<br />
* The [[Year of the Astounded Beetle]]<br />
* The [[Year of the Engaging Sloth]]<br />
* The [[Year of the Hyena]] (events of {{S}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Notional Serpent]]<br />
* The [[Year of the Insulted Goat]] (mentioned in {{M!!!}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Dancing Dog]] (1961 mentioned by Dibbler in {{NW}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Prawn]] (Common Year 2005; Scholar's Year 1657)<br />
* The [[Cabbage|Year of the Pensive Frog]]<br />
* The Year of the Trout (mentioned in {{CJ}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Revolving Crab]] (mentioned in {{WA}})<br />
* The Year of the Sideways Leech (mentioned in {{H}})<br />
* The Year of the Talking Frog (mentioned in {{H}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Ant]] (mentioned in {{TT}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Amending Camel]] (mentioned in {{TT}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Translated Rat]] (mentioned in {{TT}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Lice]] (mentioned in {{T!}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Quiet Monkey]] (mentioned in {{T!}})<br />
* The [[Year of Three Horses]] (mentioned in {{WMC}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Pensive Hare]] - the events of {{UA}} take place shortly after the New Year celebrations which usher in this year. Also Common Year 2009 (see below).<br />
* The [[Year of the Stoat]] (mentioned in {{SN}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Intimidating Porpoise]] (mentioned in ''[[Reaper Man]]'')<br />
* The [[Ee|Year of the Scrofulous Vole]]. (mentioned in {{CDA}})<br />
* The Century of the Cheesemite (mentioned in Turtle Recall The Discworld Companion)<br />
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== Roundworld Common Years ==<br />
Since 2005 each Roundworld year (aka Common Year, for the Common Era) as been given a Discworld year name. Most of these do not appear in the books.<br />
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* The [[Year of the Prawn]] (Common Year 2005; Scholar's Year 1657)<br />
* The Year of the Signifying Frog (Common Year 2006)<br />
* The Year of the Reversed Ptarmigan (Common Year 2007)<br />
* The Year of the Three Roses (Common Year 2008) <br />
* The Year of the Pensive Hare (Common Year 2009)<br />
* The Year of the Happy Goose (Common Year 2010)<br />
* The Year of the Complicated Monkey (Common Year 2011)<br />
* The Year of the Second Inception (Common Year 2012)<br />
* The Year of the Frog Ascendant (Common Year 2013)<br />
* The Year of the Reciprocating Llama (Common Year 2014)<br />
* The Year of the Spinning Mouse (Common Year 2015)<br />
* The [[Year of the Sneezing Panda]] (Common Year 2016)<br />
* The Year of the [[Backwards-Facing Artichoke]] (Common Year 2017)<br />
* The Year of the Justifiably Defensive Lobster (Common Year 2018)<br />
* The Year of the Incontrovertible Skunk (Common Year 2019)<br />
* The Year of the Condescending Carp (Common Year 2020)<br />
* The Year of the Beleaguered Badger (Common Year 2021)<br />
* The Year of the Lachrymating Leveret (Common Year 2022) [https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/r6j46t/2022_has_been_prounouced_the_year_of_the/ [1<nowiki>]</nowiki>]<br />
* The Year of the Querulous [[Megapode]] (Common Year 2023) [https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/zzvsld/2023_will_be_known_as_the_discworld_year_of_the/ [2<nowiki>]</nowiki>]<br />
*The Year of the Moribund Aardvark (Common Year 2024) [https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/166fj0z/2024_will_be_known_as_the_year_of_the_moribund/#:~:text=2024%20will%20be%20known%20as,the%20Moribund%20Aardvark%20%3A%20r%2Fdiscworld [3<nowiki>]</nowiki>]<br />
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==Months Of The Discworld Year==<br />
Or rather, of the Discworld's ''half''-year. {{TCDA}} clarifies previously opaque or puzzling aspects of the calendar. Quote:<br />
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:''This be for the Common Year, that being the four hundred days that measure the Season from Winter's Edge until the snows come again, and the Hogswatch is celebrated. All Celestial measurements, Observations and notations of Stars, houses of the firmament, and other divers heavenly bodies are taken on the Full Celestial year, of eight hundred days, which emcompasses two common years...''<br />
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* [[Ick]] - only has sixteen days<br />
* [[Offle]] - all following months have thirty-two<br />
* February<br />
* March<br />
* April<br />
* May<br />
* June<br />
* [[Grune]]<br />
* August<br />
* [[Spune]]<br />
* [[Sektober]]<br />
* [[Ember]]<br />
* December<br />
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The year commences on Hogswatch Day and ends on the following Hogswatch Eve.<br />
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=== Inconsistencies with the order of months ===<br />
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None of the books mention the specific order of the months or dayes of the week, so we are left with secondary sources - which are not always consistent. Of note, various editions of the Discworld Companion (right up to {{UDC}}), as well as the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'', specify that the year begins with Offle and ends with Ick. Neither of those sources give a date for Hogswatchnight, but the roleplaying game does specify its the last night of the year, so presumably in that calendar it occurs on the 16th of Ick, rather than the 32nd of December. (See also [[Crueltide]].)<br />
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==Special holidays==<br />
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* [[Hogswatch]] Eve, the end of the old common year.<br />
* [[Hogswatch]] Day (first of Ick, start of the new common year)<br />
* [[Soul Cake Tuesday]]<br />
* Day of the Lesser Gods (?same as below?)<br />
* [[Eve of Small Gods]], first midsummer day<br />
* Samedi Nuit Mort (celebrated in Genua)<br />
* Creator's Birthday (28th of April)<br />
* Wear a lilac if you were [[Glorious Revolution|there]] day (25th of May)<br />
* Koom Valley Day (5th of Grune)<br />
* [[Crueltide]], half-year point (end of first half-year, start of next)<br />
* [[Alls Fallow]], 3/4 point of 800-day year, the one day when witches and warlocks stay in bed (parodying {{wp|Halloween|Halloween}}), though in ''[[Wyrd Sisters]]'', [[Esmerelda Weatherwax]] suggests that [[Hogswatch]] is the one day witches shouldn't go out, though this may only apply to Mistress Weatherwax, since her arrival may cause people to feel wary rather than jolly.<br />
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== Seasons ==<br />
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* Spring Prime, first spring<br />
* Summer: mid-point ''Small Gods' Eve''<br />
* Autumn Prime, first autumn<br />
* Winter Secundus aka Spindlewinter: Mid-point ''Crueltide''<br />
* Secundus Spring<br />
* Summer Two: mid-point ''All's Fallow''<br />
* Secundus Autumn<br />
* Backspindlewinter: mid-point ''Hogswatch''<br />
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Discworld seasons are 'explained' in one of four paragraphs in the footnote on page 5 of ''The Colour of Magic''. It is written:<br />
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"Since the disc's tiny orbiting sunlet maintains a fixed orbit while the majestic disc turns slowly beneath it, it will be readily deduced that a disc year consists of not four but eight seasons. The summers are those times when the sun rises or sets at the nearest point on the Rim, the winters those occasions when it rises or sets at a point around ninety degrees along the circumference."<br />
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==Zodiac==<br />
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The Discworld zodiac consists of 64 (8*8) constellations, nebulae or individual stars grouped in thirteen ''Houses''. There may be other constellations that are not part of the zodiac, but it's possible that the Discworld's unusual revolution means that the Discworld sun and/or moon enters all constellations at least once (the "zodiac" is a list of constellations in which the sun or moon [or planets, but there don't seem to be any around Discworld] can be found at some point in time). [[Roundworld]] has 88 constellations (1 of them non-contiguous), 12 of which are in the zodiac (a 13th constellation is also technically in the zodiac, but is not recognized as part of the zodiac). According to research wizard "Numbers" [[Riktor]], who meticulously counted them, there are, or were at the time of counting, 49,873 visible stars in the Discworld heavens. Which is ample raw material for the cosmic Rorschach test that creates constellations.<br />
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===The Houses of the Zodiac and their 64 Elements:===<br />
:as described by the well-known mages and scholars Pratchett of Sarum and Pearson of Wincanton <br />
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*'''The First House''' - The House of Io<br />
**The Eye of Io <br />
** The Crab<br />
**The Cow of Heaven<br />
**The (Knotted) String<br />
**The Celestial Parsnip<br />
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*'''The Second House''' - The House of the Gate<br />
**[[Wezen (the double-headed kangaroo)]]<br />
**The Two Fat Cousins<br />
**The Perhaps Gate<br />
**Scarab's Claw<br />
**[[Mubbo the Hyena]]<br />
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*'''The Third House''' - The House of the Bull<br />
**Silicarous's Gift<br />
**The Bull<br />
**Hast's Trumpet<br />
**[[Cubal's Flame]]<br />
**The Void<br />
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*'''The Fourth House''' - The House of Melok<br />
**Melok<br />
**Old Toesy<br />
**Vut the Evenstar<br />
**Mr Williams<br />
**Occasional Paddles<br />
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*'''The Fifth House''' - The House of the Bright Cabbage<br />
**Blic-Blick<br />
**[[Spune|The Bright Cabbage]]<br />
**The Starfish<br />
**Old Dog<br />
**[[Crabbus]]<br />
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*'''The Sixth House''' - The House of the Plow<br />
**Pashmina<br />
**The Flying Moose<br />
**The Pitcher (or Bucket)<br />
**Plough Handle<br />
**Okjock the Salesman<br />
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*'''The Seventh House''' - The House of the Star<br />
**The Faint Star Major<br />
**The Faint Star Minor<br />
**The Little Turtle<br />
**The Flagon<br />
**Ket's Knife<br />
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*'''The Next House''' - The House of Woldar<br />
**Woldar<br />
**Evar's Footprint<br />
**The Ram's Horn<br />
**Two Rivers<br />
**Young Faithful<br />
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*'''The Ninth House''' - The House of the Ram<br />
**The Jumping Ram<br />
**[[Khefin]]'s Eye 1<br />
**[[Khefin|Khefin's Eye 2]]<br />
**[[Khefin|Khefin's Eye 3]]<br />
**[[Khefin|Khefin's Eye 4]]<br />
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*'''The Tenth House''' - The House of Trabnor<br />
**Trabnor<br />
**The Lanthorn<br />
**The Wicket<br />
**Turnip's Tail<br />
**The Snipe<br />
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*'''The Eleventh House''' - The House of the Horse<br />
**Teg the Horse<br />
**The Miller's Pocket<br />
**[[Astoria's Flame]]<br />
**The Cradle<br />
**The Sleeping Dog<br />
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*'''The Twelfth House''' - The House of Fore and Aft<br />
**Young Harry<br />
**Forward<br />
**Aft<br />
**Vut's Candle<br />
**Silur the Catfish<br />
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*'''The Thirteenth House''' - The Dread House<br />
**Old Faithful<br />
**The Scythe<br />
**The Coffee Cup<br />
**[[Gahoolie the Vase of Tulips]]<br />
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===Annotations===<br />
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* Wezen the Doubleheaded Kangaroo: the first constellation (interesting because the wizards don't seem to recognize a kangaroo when they see it in {{TLC}}-- perhaps because it was flattened and had only one head? Although in fairness you couldn't recognize anything else from its constellation either, and it's never really obvious what is mythical and what isn't!)<br />
* The Two Fat Cousins: possible reference to Tweedledee and Tweedledum?<br />
* The Flying Moose: possible reference to Rocky The Flying Squirrel and Bullwinkle J Moose<br />
* [[The Small Boring Group of Faint Stars]]: Rincewind's birth sign, usually not a wizard's sign. Was much brighter thousands of years ago when the Disc was closer to it (according to {{TLC}}), so it's not clear why the ancients called it "faint"; perhaps they knew the Disc would move away from it long-term?<br />
* The Knotted String: possible pun on "I'm a frayed knot" jokes<br />
* [[Gahoolie the Vase of Tulips]]: the last constellation (now if we could only find that whale)<br />
* the Triangle, mentioned in {{TLC}}, possibly not part of the zodiac<br />
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==Related pages==<br />
* [[Discworld Timeline]]<br />
* [[:category:Discworld Timeline|Discworld timeline category]]<br />
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[[Category:Discworld concepts]]<br />
[[Category:Discworld Timeline]]<br />
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[[de:Tierkreiszeichen]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Talk:Crueltide&diff=35204Talk:Crueltide2024-02-01T08:51:14Z<p>Guybrush: This is explained in the Companion</p>
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<div>==Solstice-Celebration? 12-Days of Hogswatch? Hannukah?==<br />
<br />
A shot in the blue but maybe it is one forgotten, rarely celebrated or just celebrated by a certain religion/species. We have various festivities around that time of year on Roundworld, why should Discworld only have one single thing? Not to mention that Crueltide sounds suspiciously like Yuletide...--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 17:47, 22 April 2011 (CEST)<br />
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:It certainly does, but the main description of the calendar comes early in {{COM}}, where Crueltide is the beginning of the second half-year in Backspindlewinter or Winter Secundus. There are then 12 months again to another Hogswatch. It would appear that Hogswatch, as a popular festival with feasts and presents, somehow took over (with some pushing by Vernon Crumley and the Merchants' Guild?) and has been celebrated twice a year since then. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 18:09, 22 April 2011 (CEST)<br />
<br />
It's the Tubso/Bissonomy thing again? On Roundworld a lot of formerly hallowed festivals have gone because they've been rendered obselete or simply aren't as important any more. While the ''Book of Common Prayer'' still lists Lammas and Candlemas as feast days in the English Christian calendar, who today can tell you what they were ''for'', let alone celebrates them?--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 10:23, 28 June 2011 (CEST)<br />
:Practically/literarily, once it was established that the Hogfather was responsible for the death and renewal of the year and the sun wouldn't come back without him, there needed to be a Hogswatch every winter. I guess it will remain a minor mystery down the list from the Patrician of {{COM}} and some other imponderables. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 17:23, 28 June 2011 (CEST)<br />
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This is actually explained in the Discworld Companion (going right back to the edition from 1997), and the roleplaying game which drew on the companion. In brief: correctly Crueltide is the first Winter festival, marking half-way through the full 800-day Disc year, and Hogswatchnight is the one at the proper end of the year. But most people just call both Hogswatch. The same is true of Small Gods’ Eve and Midsummer Eve (aka All Fallow’s). I’m going to put that explanation in the article. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 08:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Discworld_calendar&diff=35203Discworld calendar2024-02-01T08:48:17Z<p>Guybrush: /* Months Of The Discworld Year */ Added section on discrepancies between various sources</p>
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<div>{{hatnote|This article is about the counting and naming of years and days on Discworld. For the calendar-like-books, like ''Diaries'', see [[Bibliography#Diaries|Bibliography]]. For the commercial wall-calendars, see [[Discworld Calendars]].}}<br />
<br />
==General==<br />
A Discworld celestial year has 800 days and because of some interesting astronomical facts two of each seasons (two summers, two winters, etc.). This leads to the fact that many people actually do not count the astronomical years, but the half-years with 400 days, often refered to as "common years". The half-year has 13 months, listed below. Each month except Ick has 32 days, Ick has 16 days. Each week has eight days. The eighth day of each week is called Octeday.<br />
<br />
There are two main calendars in use on Discworld. The [[Ankh-Morpork Calendar]] counts full years and starts at the founding of [[Ankh-Morpork]], the [[University Calendar]] starts at the founding of [[Unseen University]] (in 1282 AM) and counts in half-years. Oddly enough, while the Imperial Ankh-Morpork calendar offers intellectual purity and mathematical elegance, the general populace tends to use the Weird, Wild, Wacky Wizards' calendar, which happens to correspond to the growing season.<br />
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==Years and centuries==<br />
Centuries and years are named. We are currently in the Century of the Anchovy ({{CJ}}). It was preceded by the Century of the Fruitbat ({{MP}}) and even earlier by the [[Century of the Three Lice]], and the [[Djelibeybi|Century of the Cobra]] ({{SG}}).<br />
<br />
In {{FOC}} [[Doc Pseudopolis]], President of the Guild of Gamblers, says “in a few years it’ll be the [[Century of the Rat]].” No-one objects to this, but subsequent Discworld novels that mention the century refer to the [[Century of the Anchovy]], perhaps suggesting that centuries are not named that far in advance (and that this is a bet Doc has lost).<br />
<br />
* The [[Century of the Summer Weevil]] (mentioned in {{UA}})<br />
* The [[Century of the Dragonfly]] (mentioned in {{RM}})<br />
* The [[Century of the Cobra]] (mentioned in {{P}})<br />
* The [[Century of the Three Lice]] (mentioned in {{RM}} and the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'')<br />
* The [[Century of the Fruitbat]] (mentioned in {{RM}}, {{MAA}}, {{MP}}, {{SG}}, {{LL}}, {{CJ}}, {{T5E}}, {{TT}}, {{SM}}, {{P}} and the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'')<br />
* The [[Century of the Anchovy]] (mentioned in {{GP}}, {{MM}} and the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'')<br />
* The [[Century of the Rat]] (mentioned in {{FOC}})<br />
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== Notable past years==<br />
* The [[Kreeblephor|Year of the Lenient Vegetable]] - in which Bishop [[Kreeblephor]] converted a demon to the [[Om]]nian faith.<br />
* The [[Year of the Significant Triangle]] (Birth year of [[Windle Poons]])<br />
* The [[Year of the Astounded Beetle]]<br />
* The [[Year of the Engaging Sloth]]<br />
* The [[Year of the Hyena]] (events of {{S}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Notional Serpent]]<br />
* The [[Year of the Insulted Goat]] (mentioned in {{M!!!}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Dancing Dog]] (1961 mentioned by Dibbler in {{NW}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Prawn]] (Common Year 2005; Scholar's Year 1657)<br />
* The [[Cabbage|Year of the Pensive Frog]]<br />
* The Year of the Trout (mentioned in {{CJ}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Revolving Crab]] (mentioned in {{WA}})<br />
* The Year of the Sideways Leech (mentioned in {{H}})<br />
* The Year of the Talking Frog (mentioned in {{H}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Ant]] (mentioned in {{TT}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Amending Camel]] (mentioned in {{TT}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Translated Rat]] (mentioned in {{TT}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Lice]] (mentioned in {{T!}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Quiet Monkey]] (mentioned in {{T!}})<br />
* The [[Year of Three Horses]] (mentioned in {{WMC}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Pensive Hare]] - the events of {{UA}} take place shortly after the New Year celebrations which usher in this year. Also Common Year 2009 (see below).<br />
* The [[Year of the Stoat]] (mentioned in {{SN}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Intimidating Porpoise]] (mentioned in ''[[Reaper Man]]'')<br />
* The [[Ee|Year of the Scrofulous Vole]]. (mentioned in {{CDA}})<br />
* The Century of the Cheesemite (mentioned in Turtle Recall The Discworld Companion)<br />
<br />
== Roundworld Common Years ==<br />
Since 2005 each Roundworld year (aka Common Year, for the Common Era) as been given a Discworld year name. Most of these do not appear in the books.<br />
<br />
* The [[Year of the Prawn]] (Common Year 2005; Scholar's Year 1657)<br />
* The Year of the Signifying Frog (Common Year 2006)<br />
* The Year of the Reversed Ptarmigan (Common Year 2007)<br />
* The Year of the Three Roses (Common Year 2008) <br />
* The Year of the Pensive Hare (Common Year 2009)<br />
* The Year of the Happy Goose (Common Year 2010)<br />
* The Year of the Complicated Monkey (Common Year 2011)<br />
* The Year of the Second Inception (Common Year 2012)<br />
* The Year of the Frog Ascendant (Common Year 2013)<br />
* The Year of the Reciprocating Llama (Common Year 2014)<br />
* The Year of the Spinning Mouse (Common Year 2015)<br />
* The [[Year of the Sneezing Panda]] (Common Year 2016)<br />
* The Year of the [[Backwards-Facing Artichoke]] (Common Year 2017)<br />
* The Year of the Justifiably Defensive Lobster (Common Year 2018)<br />
* The Year of the Incontrovertible Skunk (Common Year 2019)<br />
* The Year of the Condescending Carp (Common Year 2020)<br />
* The Year of the Beleaguered Badger (Common Year 2021)<br />
* The Year of the Lachrymating Leveret (Common Year 2022) [https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/r6j46t/2022_has_been_prounouced_the_year_of_the/ [1<nowiki>]</nowiki>]<br />
* The Year of the Querulous [[Megapode]] (Common Year 2023) [https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/zzvsld/2023_will_be_known_as_the_discworld_year_of_the/ [2<nowiki>]</nowiki>]<br />
*The Year of the Moribund Aardvark (Common Year 2024) [https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/166fj0z/2024_will_be_known_as_the_year_of_the_moribund/#:~:text=2024%20will%20be%20known%20as,the%20Moribund%20Aardvark%20%3A%20r%2Fdiscworld [3<nowiki>]</nowiki>]<br />
<br />
==Months Of The Discworld Year==<br />
Or rather, of the Discworld's ''half''-year. {{TCDA}} clarifies previously opaque or puzzling aspects of the calendar. Quote:<br />
<br />
:''This be for the Common Year, that being the four hundred days that measure the Season from Winter's Edge until the snows come again, and the Hogswatch is celebrated. All Celestial measurements, Observations and notations of Stars, houses of the firmament, and other divers heavenly bodies are taken on the Full Celestial year, of eight hundred days, which emcompasses two common years...''<br />
<br />
* [[Ick]] - only has sixteen days<br />
* [[Offle]] - all following months have thirty-two<br />
* February<br />
* March<br />
* April<br />
* May<br />
* June<br />
* [[Grune]]<br />
* August<br />
* [[Spune]]<br />
* [[Sektober]]<br />
* [[Ember]]<br />
* December<br />
<br />
The year commences on Hogswatch Day and ends on the following Hogswatch Eve.<br />
<br />
=== Inconsistencies with the order of months ===<br />
<br />
None of the books mention the specific order of the months or dayes of the week, so we are left with secondary sources - which are not always consistent. Of note, various editions of the Discworld Companion (right up to {{UDC}}), as well as the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'', specify that the year begins with Offle and ends with Ick. Neither of those sources give a date for Hogswatchnight, but the roleplaying game does specify its the last night of the year, so presumably in that calendar it occurs on the 16th of Ick, rather than the 32nd of December. Both the Companions and the RPG also say that Hogswatchnight is technically only the holiday at the end of a full 800-day year, with the half-year mid-Winter festival being [[Crueltide]], but that in most rural areas folks just call them both Hogswatchnight and don’t differentiate between them. (Similarly, Small Gods’ Eve is said to be the early half-year equivalent of Midsummer Eve, also known as All’s Fallow, but again, most folks just call the holiday Midsummer Eve every Summer.)<br />
<br />
==Special holidays==<br />
<br />
* [[Hogswatch]] Eve, the end of the old common year.<br />
* [[Hogswatch]] Day (first of Ick, start of the new common year)<br />
* [[Soul Cake Tuesday]]<br />
* Day of the Lesser Gods (?same as below?)<br />
* [[Eve of Small Gods]], first midsummer day<br />
* Samedi Nuit Mort (celebrated in Genua)<br />
* Creator's Birthday (28th of April)<br />
* Wear a lilac if you were [[Glorious Revolution|there]] day (25th of May)<br />
* Koom Valley Day (5th of Grune)<br />
* [[Crueltide]], half-year point (end of first half-year, start of next)<br />
* [[Alls Fallow]], 3/4 point of 800-day year, the one day when witches and warlocks stay in bed (parodying {{wp|Halloween|Halloween}}), though in ''[[Wyrd Sisters]]'', [[Esmerelda Weatherwax]] suggests that [[Hogswatch]] is the one day witches shouldn't go out, though this may only apply to Mistress Weatherwax, since her arrival may cause people to feel wary rather than jolly.<br />
<br />
== Seasons ==<br />
<br />
* Spring Prime, first spring<br />
* Summer: mid-point ''Small Gods' Eve''<br />
* Autumn Prime, first autumn<br />
* Winter Secundus aka Spindlewinter: Mid-point ''Crueltide''<br />
* Secundus Spring<br />
* Summer Two: mid-point ''All's Fallow''<br />
* Secundus Autumn<br />
* Backspindlewinter: mid-point ''Hogswatch''<br />
<br />
Discworld seasons are 'explained' in one of four paragraphs in the footnote on page 5 of ''The Colour of Magic''. It is written:<br />
<br />
"Since the disc's tiny orbiting sunlet maintains a fixed orbit while the majestic disc turns slowly beneath it, it will be readily deduced that a disc year consists of not four but eight seasons. The summers are those times when the sun rises or sets at the nearest point on the Rim, the winters those occasions when it rises or sets at a point around ninety degrees along the circumference."<br />
<br />
==Zodiac==<br />
<br />
The Discworld zodiac consists of 64 (8*8) constellations, nebulae or individual stars grouped in thirteen ''Houses''. There may be other constellations that are not part of the zodiac, but it's possible that the Discworld's unusual revolution means that the Discworld sun and/or moon enters all constellations at least once (the "zodiac" is a list of constellations in which the sun or moon [or planets, but there don't seem to be any around Discworld] can be found at some point in time). [[Roundworld]] has 88 constellations (1 of them non-contiguous), 12 of which are in the zodiac (a 13th constellation is also technically in the zodiac, but is not recognized as part of the zodiac). According to research wizard "Numbers" [[Riktor]], who meticulously counted them, there are, or were at the time of counting, 49,873 visible stars in the Discworld heavens. Which is ample raw material for the cosmic Rorschach test that creates constellations.<br />
<br />
===The Houses of the Zodiac and their 64 Elements:===<br />
:as described by the well-known mages and scholars Pratchett of Sarum and Pearson of Wincanton <br />
<br />
*'''The First House''' - The House of Io<br />
**The Eye of Io <br />
** The Crab<br />
**The Cow of Heaven<br />
**The (Knotted) String<br />
**The Celestial Parsnip<br />
<br />
*'''The Second House''' - The House of the Gate<br />
**[[Wezen (the double-headed kangaroo)]]<br />
**The Two Fat Cousins<br />
**The Perhaps Gate<br />
**Scarab's Claw<br />
**[[Mubbo the Hyena]]<br />
<br />
*'''The Third House''' - The House of the Bull<br />
**Silicarous's Gift<br />
**The Bull<br />
**Hast's Trumpet<br />
**[[Cubal's Flame]]<br />
**The Void<br />
<br />
*'''The Fourth House''' - The House of Melok<br />
**Melok<br />
**Old Toesy<br />
**Vut the Evenstar<br />
**Mr Williams<br />
**Occasional Paddles<br />
<br />
*'''The Fifth House''' - The House of the Bright Cabbage<br />
**Blic-Blick<br />
**[[Spune|The Bright Cabbage]]<br />
**The Starfish<br />
**Old Dog<br />
**[[Crabbus]]<br />
<br />
*'''The Sixth House''' - The House of the Plow<br />
**Pashmina<br />
**The Flying Moose<br />
**The Pitcher (or Bucket)<br />
**Plough Handle<br />
**Okjock the Salesman<br />
<br />
*'''The Seventh House''' - The House of the Star<br />
**The Faint Star Major<br />
**The Faint Star Minor<br />
**The Little Turtle<br />
**The Flagon<br />
**Ket's Knife<br />
<br />
*'''The Next House''' - The House of Woldar<br />
**Woldar<br />
**Evar's Footprint<br />
**The Ram's Horn<br />
**Two Rivers<br />
**Young Faithful<br />
<br />
*'''The Ninth House''' - The House of the Ram<br />
**The Jumping Ram<br />
**[[Khefin]]'s Eye 1<br />
**[[Khefin|Khefin's Eye 2]]<br />
**[[Khefin|Khefin's Eye 3]]<br />
**[[Khefin|Khefin's Eye 4]]<br />
<br />
*'''The Tenth House''' - The House of Trabnor<br />
**Trabnor<br />
**The Lanthorn<br />
**The Wicket<br />
**Turnip's Tail<br />
**The Snipe<br />
<br />
*'''The Eleventh House''' - The House of the Horse<br />
**Teg the Horse<br />
**The Miller's Pocket<br />
**[[Astoria's Flame]]<br />
**The Cradle<br />
**The Sleeping Dog<br />
<br />
*'''The Twelfth House''' - The House of Fore and Aft<br />
**Young Harry<br />
**Forward<br />
**Aft<br />
**Vut's Candle<br />
**Silur the Catfish<br />
<br />
*'''The Thirteenth House''' - The Dread House<br />
**Old Faithful<br />
**The Scythe<br />
**The Coffee Cup<br />
**[[Gahoolie the Vase of Tulips]]<br />
<br />
===Annotations===<br />
<br />
* Wezen the Doubleheaded Kangaroo: the first constellation (interesting because the wizards don't seem to recognize a kangaroo when they see it in {{TLC}}-- perhaps because it was flattened and had only one head? Although in fairness you couldn't recognize anything else from its constellation either, and it's never really obvious what is mythical and what isn't!)<br />
* The Two Fat Cousins: possible reference to Tweedledee and Tweedledum?<br />
* The Flying Moose: possible reference to Rocky The Flying Squirrel and Bullwinkle J Moose<br />
* [[The Small Boring Group of Faint Stars]]: Rincewind's birth sign, usually not a wizard's sign. Was much brighter thousands of years ago when the Disc was closer to it (according to {{TLC}}), so it's not clear why the ancients called it "faint"; perhaps they knew the Disc would move away from it long-term?<br />
* The Knotted String: possible pun on "I'm a frayed knot" jokes<br />
* [[Gahoolie the Vase of Tulips]]: the last constellation (now if we could only find that whale)<br />
* the Triangle, mentioned in {{TLC}}, possibly not part of the zodiac<br />
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==Related pages==<br />
* [[Discworld Timeline]]<br />
* [[:category:Discworld Timeline|Discworld timeline category]]<br />
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[[Category:Discworld concepts]]<br />
[[Category:Discworld Timeline]]<br />
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==General==<br />
A Discworld celestial year has 800 days and because of some interesting astronomical facts two of each seasons (two summers, two winters, etc.). This leads to the fact that many people actually do not count the astronomical years, but the half-years with 400 days, often refered to as "common years". The half-year has 13 months, listed below. Each month except Ick has 32 days, Ick has 16 days. Each week has eight days. The eighth day of each week is called Octeday.<br />
<br />
There are two main calendars in use on Discworld. The [[Ankh-Morpork Calendar]] counts full years and starts at the founding of [[Ankh-Morpork]], the [[University Calendar]] starts at the founding of [[Unseen University]] (in 1282 AM) and counts in half-years. Oddly enough, while the Imperial Ankh-Morpork calendar offers intellectual purity and mathematical elegance, the general populace tends to use the Weird, Wild, Wacky Wizards' calendar, which happens to correspond to the growing season.<br />
<br />
==Years and centuries==<br />
Centuries and years are named. We are currently in the Century of the Anchovy ({{CJ}}). It was preceded by the Century of the Fruitbat ({{MP}}) and even earlier by the [[Century of the Three Lice]], and the [[Djelibeybi|Century of the Cobra]] ({{SG}}).<br />
<br />
In {{FOC}} [[Doc Pseudopolis]], President of the Guild of Gamblers, says “in a few years it’ll be the [[Century of the Rat]].” No-one objects to this, but subsequent Discworld novels that mention the century refer to the [[Century of the Anchovy]], perhaps suggesting that centuries are not named that far in advance (and that this is a bet Doc has lost).<br />
<br />
* The [[Century of the Summer Weevil]] (mentioned in {{UA}})<br />
* The [[Century of the Dragonfly]] (mentioned in {{RM}})<br />
* The [[Century of the Cobra]] (mentioned in {{P}})<br />
* The [[Century of the Three Lice]] (mentioned in {{RM}} and the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'')<br />
* The [[Century of the Fruitbat]] (mentioned in {{RM}}, {{MAA}}, {{MP}}, {{SG}}, {{LL}}, {{CJ}}, {{T5E}}, {{TT}}, {{SM}}, {{P}} and the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'')<br />
* The [[Century of the Anchovy]] (mentioned in {{GP}}, {{MM}} and the ''[[Book:GURPS Discworld|Discworld Roleplaying Game]]'')<br />
* The [[Century of the Rat]] (mentioned in {{FOC}})<br />
<br />
== Notable past years==<br />
* The [[Kreeblephor|Year of the Lenient Vegetable]] - in which Bishop [[Kreeblephor]] converted a demon to the [[Om]]nian faith.<br />
* The [[Year of the Significant Triangle]] (Birth year of [[Windle Poons]])<br />
* The [[Year of the Astounded Beetle]]<br />
* The [[Year of the Engaging Sloth]]<br />
* The [[Year of the Hyena]] (events of {{S}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Notional Serpent]]<br />
* The [[Year of the Insulted Goat]] (mentioned in {{M!!!}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Dancing Dog]] (1961 mentioned by Dibbler in {{NW}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Prawn]] (Common Year 2005; Scholar's Year 1657)<br />
* The [[Cabbage|Year of the Pensive Frog]]<br />
* The Year of the Trout (mentioned in {{CJ}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Revolving Crab]] (mentioned in {{WA}})<br />
* The Year of the Sideways Leech (mentioned in {{H}})<br />
* The Year of the Talking Frog (mentioned in {{H}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Ant]] (mentioned in {{TT}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Amending Camel]] (mentioned in {{TT}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Translated Rat]] (mentioned in {{TT}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Lice]] (mentioned in {{T!}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Quiet Monkey]] (mentioned in {{T!}})<br />
* The [[Year of Three Horses]] (mentioned in {{WMC}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Pensive Hare]] - the events of {{UA}} take place shortly after the New Year celebrations which usher in this year. Also Common Year 2009 (see below).<br />
* The [[Year of the Stoat]] (mentioned in {{SN}})<br />
* The [[Year of the Intimidating Porpoise]] (mentioned in ''[[Reaper Man]]'')<br />
* The [[Ee|Year of the Scrofulous Vole]]. (mentioned in {{CDA}})<br />
* The Century of the Cheesemite (mentioned in Turtle Recall The Discworld Companion)<br />
<br />
== Roundworld Common Years ==<br />
Since 2005 each Roundworld year (aka Common Year, for the Common Era) as been given a Discworld year name. Most of these do not appear in the books.<br />
<br />
* The [[Year of the Prawn]] (Common Year 2005; Scholar's Year 1657)<br />
* The Year of the Signifying Frog (Common Year 2006)<br />
* The Year of the Reversed Ptarmigan (Common Year 2007)<br />
* The Year of the Three Roses (Common Year 2008) <br />
* The Year of the Pensive Hare (Common Year 2009)<br />
* The Year of the Happy Goose (Common Year 2010)<br />
* The Year of the Complicated Monkey (Common Year 2011)<br />
* The Year of the Second Inception (Common Year 2012)<br />
* The Year of the Frog Ascendant (Common Year 2013)<br />
* The Year of the Reciprocating Llama (Common Year 2014)<br />
* The Year of the Spinning Mouse (Common Year 2015)<br />
* The [[Year of the Sneezing Panda]] (Common Year 2016)<br />
* The Year of the [[Backwards-Facing Artichoke]] (Common Year 2017)<br />
* The Year of the Justifiably Defensive Lobster (Common Year 2018)<br />
* The Year of the Incontrovertible Skunk (Common Year 2019)<br />
* The Year of the Condescending Carp (Common Year 2020)<br />
* The Year of the Beleaguered Badger (Common Year 2021)<br />
* The Year of the Lachrymating Leveret (Common Year 2022) [https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/r6j46t/2022_has_been_prounouced_the_year_of_the/ [1<nowiki>]</nowiki>]<br />
* The Year of the Querulous [[Megapode]] (Common Year 2023) [https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/zzvsld/2023_will_be_known_as_the_discworld_year_of_the/ [2<nowiki>]</nowiki>]<br />
*The Year of the Moribund Aardvark (Common Year 2024) [https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/166fj0z/2024_will_be_known_as_the_year_of_the_moribund/#:~:text=2024%20will%20be%20known%20as,the%20Moribund%20Aardvark%20%3A%20r%2Fdiscworld [3<nowiki>]</nowiki>]<br />
<br />
==Months Of The Discworld Year==<br />
Or rather, of the Discworld's ''half''-year. {{TCDA}} clarifies previously opaque or puzzling aspects of the calendar. Quote:<br />
''This be for the Common Year, that being the four hundred days that measure the Season from Winter's Edge until the snows come again, and the Hogswatch is celebrated. All Celestial measurements, Observations and notations of Stars, houses of the firmament, and other divers heavenly bodies are taken on the Full Celestial year, of eight hundred days, which emcompasses two common years...''<br />
<br />
* [[Ick]] - only has sixteen days<br />
* [[Offle]] - all following months have thirty-two<br />
* February<br />
* March<br />
* April<br />
* May<br />
* June<br />
* [[Grune]]<br />
* August<br />
* [[Spune]]<br />
* [[Sektober]]<br />
* [[Ember]]<br />
* December<br />
<br />
The year commences on Hogswatch Day and ends on the following Hogswatch Eve.<br />
<br />
==Special holidays==<br />
<br />
* [[Hogswatch]] Eve, the end of the old common year.<br />
* [[Hogswatch]] Day (first of Ick, start of the new common year)<br />
* [[Soul Cake Tuesday]]<br />
* Day of the Lesser Gods (?same as below?)<br />
* [[Eve of Small Gods]], first midsummer day<br />
* Samedi Nuit Mort (celebrated in Genua)<br />
* Creator's Birthday (28th of April)<br />
* Wear a lilac if you were [[Glorious Revolution|there]] day (25th of May)<br />
* Koom Valley Day (5th of Grune)<br />
* [[Crueltide]], half-year point (end of first half-year, start of next)<br />
* [[Alls Fallow]], 3/4 point of 800-day year, the one day when witches and warlocks stay in bed (parodying {{wp|Halloween|Halloween}}), though in ''[[Wyrd Sisters]]'', [[Esmerelda Weatherwax]] suggests that [[Hogswatch]] is the one day witches shouldn't go out, though this may only apply to Mistress Weatherwax, since her arrival may cause people to feel wary rather than jolly.<br />
<br />
== Seasons ==<br />
<br />
* Spring Prime, first spring<br />
* Summer: mid-point ''Small Gods' Eve''<br />
* Autumn Prime, first autumn<br />
* Winter Secundus aka Spindlewinter: Mid-point ''Crueltide''<br />
* Secundus Spring<br />
* Summer Two: mid-point ''All's Fallow''<br />
* Secundus Autumn<br />
* Backspindlewinter: mid-point ''Hogswatch''<br />
<br />
Discworld seasons are 'explained' in one of four paragraphs in the footnote on page 5 of ''The Colour of Magic''. It is written:<br />
<br />
"Since the disc's tiny orbiting sunlet maintains a fixed orbit while the majestic disc turns slowly beneath it, it will be readily deduced that a disc year consists of not four but eight seasons. The summers are those times when the sun rises or sets at the nearest point on the Rim, the winters those occasions when it rises or sets at a point around ninety degrees along the circumference."<br />
<br />
==Zodiac==<br />
<br />
The Discworld zodiac consists of 64 (8*8) constellations, nebulae or individual stars grouped in thirteen ''Houses''. There may be other constellations that are not part of the zodiac, but it's possible that the Discworld's unusual revolution means that the Discworld sun and/or moon enters all constellations at least once (the "zodiac" is a list of constellations in which the sun or moon [or planets, but there don't seem to be any around Discworld] can be found at some point in time). [[Roundworld]] has 88 constellations (1 of them non-contiguous), 12 of which are in the zodiac (a 13th constellation is also technically in the zodiac, but is not recognized as part of the zodiac). According to research wizard "Numbers" [[Riktor]], who meticulously counted them, there are, or were at the time of counting, 49,873 visible stars in the Discworld heavens. Which is ample raw material for the cosmic Rorschach test that creates constellations.<br />
<br />
===The Houses of the Zodiac and their 64 Elements:===<br />
:as described by the well-known mages and scholars Pratchett of Sarum and Pearson of Wincanton <br />
<br />
*'''The First House''' - The House of Io<br />
**The Eye of Io <br />
** The Crab<br />
**The Cow of Heaven<br />
**The (Knotted) String<br />
**The Celestial Parsnip<br />
<br />
*'''The Second House''' - The House of the Gate<br />
**[[Wezen (the double-headed kangaroo)]]<br />
**The Two Fat Cousins<br />
**The Perhaps Gate<br />
**Scarab's Claw<br />
**[[Mubbo the Hyena]]<br />
<br />
*'''The Third House''' - The House of the Bull<br />
**Silicarous's Gift<br />
**The Bull<br />
**Hast's Trumpet<br />
**[[Cubal's Flame]]<br />
**The Void<br />
<br />
*'''The Fourth House''' - The House of Melok<br />
**Melok<br />
**Old Toesy<br />
**Vut the Evenstar<br />
**Mr Williams<br />
**Occasional Paddles<br />
<br />
*'''The Fifth House''' - The House of the Bright Cabbage<br />
**Blic-Blick<br />
**[[Spune|The Bright Cabbage]]<br />
**The Starfish<br />
**Old Dog<br />
**[[Crabbus]]<br />
<br />
*'''The Sixth House''' - The House of the Plow<br />
**Pashmina<br />
**The Flying Moose<br />
**The Pitcher (or Bucket)<br />
**Plough Handle<br />
**Okjock the Salesman<br />
<br />
*'''The Seventh House''' - The House of the Star<br />
**The Faint Star Major<br />
**The Faint Star Minor<br />
**The Little Turtle<br />
**The Flagon<br />
**Ket's Knife<br />
<br />
*'''The Next House''' - The House of Woldar<br />
**Woldar<br />
**Evar's Footprint<br />
**The Ram's Horn<br />
**Two Rivers<br />
**Young Faithful<br />
<br />
*'''The Ninth House''' - The House of the Ram<br />
**The Jumping Ram<br />
**[[Khefin]]'s Eye 1<br />
**[[Khefin|Khefin's Eye 2]]<br />
**[[Khefin|Khefin's Eye 3]]<br />
**[[Khefin|Khefin's Eye 4]]<br />
<br />
*'''The Tenth House''' - The House of Trabnor<br />
**Trabnor<br />
**The Lanthorn<br />
**The Wicket<br />
**Turnip's Tail<br />
**The Snipe<br />
<br />
*'''The Eleventh House''' - The House of the Horse<br />
**Teg the Horse<br />
**The Miller's Pocket<br />
**[[Astoria's Flame]]<br />
**The Cradle<br />
**The Sleeping Dog<br />
<br />
*'''The Twelfth House''' - The House of Fore and Aft<br />
**Young Harry<br />
**Forward<br />
**Aft<br />
**Vut's Candle<br />
**Silur the Catfish<br />
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*'''The Thirteenth House''' - The Dread House<br />
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* Wezen the Doubleheaded Kangaroo: the first constellation (interesting because the wizards don't seem to recognize a kangaroo when they see it in {{TLC}}-- perhaps because it was flattened and had only one head? Although in fairness you couldn't recognize anything else from its constellation either, and it's never really obvious what is mythical and what isn't!)<br />
* The Two Fat Cousins: possible reference to Tweedledee and Tweedledum?<br />
* The Flying Moose: possible reference to Rocky The Flying Squirrel and Bullwinkle J Moose<br />
* [[The Small Boring Group of Faint Stars]]: Rincewind's birth sign, usually not a wizard's sign. Was much brighter thousands of years ago when the Disc was closer to it (according to {{TLC}}), so it's not clear why the ancients called it "faint"; perhaps they knew the Disc would move away from it long-term?<br />
* The Knotted String: possible pun on "I'm a frayed knot" jokes<br />
* [[Gahoolie the Vase of Tulips]]: the last constellation (now if we could only find that whale)<br />
* the Triangle, mentioned in {{TLC}}, possibly not part of the zodiac<br />
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* [[Discworld Timeline]]<br />
* [[:category:Discworld Timeline|Discworld timeline category]]<br />
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[[Category:Discworld concepts]]<br />
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<div>Can someone please go through the Discworld calendars and find more special days? Mine are in German. I am also not able to find more references for the names of the years. Apparently 2005 was the year of the prawn. --[[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]] 21:59, 5 April 2006 (CEST)<br />
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==Move article?==<br />
Maybe it is necessary to move this article to a different spot and introduce a disambiguous page. Why? Because the user could be looking for the discworld calendar books. Opinions? --[[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]] 22:39, 29 August 2006 (CEST)<br />
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:On wikipedia they seem to include a line at the top (italicised) saying "If you're actually looking for (similar name), go to that page". As we have the book namespace precisely to keep them out of the other articles, we could adopt a similar approach here. --[[User:Sanity|Sanity]] 23:17, 29 August 2006 (CEST)<br />
:: Done. --[[User:Jogibaer|Jogibaer]] 20:25, 30 August 2006 (CEST)<br />
==Named Centuries==<br />
I added the '''Century of the Three Lice''' which is when [[Windle Poons]] was born so we know it was immediately before the '''Century of the Fruitbat''' but I got it from the companion so I don't know what book it's from.--[[User:Teletran|Teletran]] 20:27, 10 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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==Current Year==<br />
How do we know the the current year? The timeline has been baffling me for some time (and Orin Thomas too, apparently; his update is overdue.) Following the Lspace timeline, the most recent history [[Book:Thud!|(''Thud!'')]] should be 1990. The new century seems to have begun in 1989, but how long has it been since?--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 22:48, 10 February 2007 (CET)<br />
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Another problem is that the Discworld (short) year has 400 days and we don't actually know how long a day is, so aligning our calendars may be impossible. I have calculated a twelve-year lag as of the last change of century, but this may not be constant. If we assume equal days, the Discworld year is about a month longer than ours, but the days may be shorter or longer. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 17:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Holidays==<br />
The description of the calendar in {{COM}} indicates that Hogswatch begins the 800 day year and doesn't occur in Spindlewinter. This idea doesn't seem to appear again; {{H}} would suggest that the Hogswatch celebration is necessary to produce another sunrise, why not in Spindlewinter? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 02:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Calendar idea ==<br />
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Whoa! Remember how TP loves sneaking the number 57 into everything? If a "century" is 57 Great Years under the AM calendar (114 years UC)- then the turn of the 41st century from the founding of the city (1 AM) is 1996 UC: a '''much''' more comfortable date.<br />
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After all, Wizards ''avoid'' the number, err, "7a." Too many 8's could even lead to the Things breaking through! Actually to celebrate years ending in doubled 8's- well, remember Mr Hong's fish bar? Not only is 57 reassuringly prime, but it's also another prime, 7, away from 8^2=64 - safe as houses, numerically. 8 and 57 have no common multiples at all, save their own.<br />
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Or, from another perspective, the animal-year cycle and animal-century cycle could very well predate Albert and UU, and have rolled on uninterrupted from the beginning (much as the traditional Chinese calendar continues despite China's adoption of the Gregorian in modern times).--[[User:Solicitr|Solicitr]] 06:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope. You don't talk about 7a and no one says it's 1988; circumlocution is highly developed in that area, but eight happens. Eights are quite common, magic being quite common, and it seems like a natural for the change of (animal) centuries, besides working well with the rest of the history. Fifty-seven I find contrived and unlikely. The named centuries apparently originated in Krull and may be older than Ankh-Morpork. I don't know why 1996 would be more comfortable; there would be several years missing. (80*57 - 2564 = 1996 too.) --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 17:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Calendar Question ==<br />
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Maybe I missed something, but where is it stated that the AM calendar uses 800 days and the University Calender 400? If that's true, there's something very odd going on with Albert's age. In Mort his statue is dated AM 1,222-1,289. This makes him 67 (which is what Ysabell says his age is). But if that's Great Years (as an 800 day AM calendar would imply) he's actually 134 which is more than even Windle Poons managed and he was wheelchair bound and senile. I've checked everywhere else I can and I can't find a reference to different calendars anywhere in the books. So, can anyone point me to where it comes from? [[User:LordJuss|LordJuss]] 13:31, 21 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
:Of course it's a ''Well-Known Fact'' and confirmed in [[Book:The Celebrated Discworld Almanak|''The Celebrated Discworld Almanak'']], for example, but you know, I can't recall the source either. The statue dates look like what we call a ''mistake'', but perhaps we could assume that Wizards were longer-lived in those days and that they use full years in Death's Domain. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:45, 22 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
::Or, more simple, things weren't written in stone. I mean, going by the books pre wyrd sisters/reaper man Rincewind had a more or less fulfilling sexlife, for example.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 01:01, 22 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
:Actually, I expect the statue dates ''were'' written in stone, but off the topic, you should fill in Rincewind's sex life in his article; I don't remember much of that either. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 01:24, 22 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
::It's mainly in CoM and TLF. Only hinted. In a rather obvious way. Remember the line after Rinso managed to cast magic in the weird town? The line that was something like -Of course he knew what an orgasm was-?--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 02:22, 22 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
::: In all fairness it then went on to point out that sometimes he had had one in company. I'm not certain that counts as a fulfilling sex life. I always took it as a reference to occasional meetings with seamstresses. As regards the great years thing, I had a feeling it was somewhere like that (what I would call beta-canon). I only have the novels, so I only work from them and my suspicion is that there's no such reference in the books themselves. Still there's no reason to disbelieve it so that's fine. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:LordJuss|LordJuss]] 11:10, 22 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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::: Actually, while I think about it, can you give me the exact quote from the Almanack? I've love to know precisely what it says. Cheers. [[User:LordJuss|LordJuss]] 16:30, 22 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
:Everything about the ''Almanak'', actually. It starts with the foreword "...being known as the Common Year 2005, Scholar's Year 1657 & The Year of the Prawn. The Sun Rises Left as I face the Hub".<BR>It goes on to describe a 400-day year in detail. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:02, 23 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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Brilliant! Thanks for the quote. I must try and track down a copy. It sounds absolutely clear that the 400 day year is used in general. What about the principle that AM years are 800 rather than 400? Also, I don't suppose it happens to state whether the year of the Prawn is the fifth or sixth year of the Century of the Anchovy? [[User:LordJuss|LordJuss]] 11:09, 23 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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:I don't think there's any help on the centuries, but I still maintain the century started at Hogswatch, 1989 (making it the seventeenth year). --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 15:19, 23 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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::That’s a position I held myself until recently. Here’s where I try to persuade you out of it. In Feet of Clay, Dragon King of Arms says the following “Old Stoneface, indeed, as he was called. Commander of the City Watch in 1688. And a regicide.” Nobby later points out that it will be three hundred years since the King’s execution the following year. This implies that Feet of Clay takes place in 1987 and the ’88 century change is a natural result. However, the following line appears in Making Money “We have been badly buffeted in recent years. The Crash of '88, the Crash of '93, the Crash of '98”. This states pretty clearly that ’93 and ’98 are recent years which cannot be true if the century change takes place in ’88 (’93 and ’98 wouldn’t yet have happened). <br />
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::Taken at face value these statements seem to be mutually incompatible. However, I think there is an interpretation of the first which allows us to move Feet of Clay later. Dragon King of Arms never says that the aforementioned regicide took place in 1688, only that Vimes was Commander in that year. Given that he is talking about personal family history it is not inconceivable that he meant that Stoneface was raised to Commander in 1688 and then killed the king sometime during his tenure. <br />
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::This interpretation is useful in several areas. The century change can now be moved to its normal numerical location and Feet of Clay can take place in 1997. As a result Carpe Jugulum, The Fifth Elephant and The Truth all take place in 1999, which matches with the statement made in all three that they take place in the Century of the Fruitbat. In the ’88 interpretation, they take place in 1989 which means all three seem to be in the wrong century (or there was a mysterious extra winter in the middle of 1988). This allows Thief of Time, Night Watch and Monstrous Regiment to take place in 2000 (which has the correct millennial feel) and Going Postal, the first mention of the Century of the Anchovy, to fall in 2001. It also means that the date of Lord Winder’s fall lines up with the date given for Vetinari’s graduation (1968 given in The Truth) which matches his approximate age as described in Night Watch and means one doesn’t have to invoke further study or a time away from the Guild. Even Susan’s age works. <br />
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::To my mind when the results are so perfect, taking an unorthodox (but viable) interpretation of Dragon King of Arms comments seems a small price to pay. So, have I convinced you? [[User:LordJuss|LordJuss]] 14:30, 26 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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:::Lobsang screwed up putting time back together again. No, seriously... Ever since the events of ToT and NW things got rather awry. Maybe all these holes are on purpose. This. Or look at the Night Kitchen. With it in existence at the time of TLC the events of the book would have never taken place, what would actually have lead to Bugarup etc not existing (long story). We could go and say Lobsang made one fatal mistake: thinking he knows better how events should have occured and how time is to be put back together again...--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 17:03, 26 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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::::I’ll happily admit that’s also a fair interpretation :-). One does wonder whether Sir Pterry has deliberately buggered things up to wind up timeline enthusiasts! However if history is that badly broken there’s almost no way of putting together a viable timeline, so I’ve tried to soldier on regardless and only invoke Lobsang’s doings when every other possible alley is closed. Other’s may differ and that’s their prerogative. [[User:LordJuss|LordJuss]] 17:16, 26 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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::::: Here's something to ponder about: Pterry requested someone to lend a hand with tibetian several months back. Now, if that was for Snuff, couldn't it be that it was for the TimeMonks and that they are to fix what was messed up? After all, they had to repair those...forgot the name, the things they control time with. And there are six years between NW and Snuff. What if they only now finished? And therefore only now can set things straight again? Maybe they aren't happy with Lobsang's idea of events should have occured, but were bound to it...for a time...--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 17:44, 26 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
:I remain unconvinced (as a big fan of Brother Thomas of Ockham). 1993 may have happened, but 1998 is a problem; I also suspect The Author of serial bloody-mindedness. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 23:51, 26 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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:: Any suggestions on solving the '98 problem? I'd be equally happy with a way of keeping the 1688 reference and explaining away the '98 one. Although that would still leave some work to be done on the positioning of CJ, tFE and tT with respect to the Century of the Fruitbat. As an Ockham's razor fan I'd recommend you check out Crabtree's Bludgeon - a philosophical principle that's especially useful for this sort of game. [[User:LordJuss|LordJuss]] 10:28, 29 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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::: How's bout this: Rememeber the sorting machine in the post office? The one that gave out letters not yet written? What if it produced letters or possible newspapers from a different timeline mentioning the crash of '98?--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 17:04, 29 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
:Crabtree also states the obvious, but less usefully. Certainly the bludgeon has been swung around here plenty. Re {{CJ}} and {{TFE}}, ''CJ'' states that it's the end of the C. of the Fruitbat and I don't agree with [[User:Solicitr|Solicitr]]'s spreading out the events there just because he felt they were too closely-spaced. They ''are'' too closely-spaced, but you can't ignore the evidence. On the other hand, how can you get from {{J}} in 1988 to {{CJ}} in 2000? As for 1998, what if V. were just projecting and suggesting that these might go on and on? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 00:38, 30 September 2011 (CEST)<br />
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== Eve/Day of Small Gods ==<br />
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I think the Day of Small Gods is not the same as the Eve of Small Gods (what is suggested). It would be logical if the eve was the day before the Day of Small Gods. --[[User:Pkap90|Pkap90]] 04:16, 29 July 2012 (CEST)<br />
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==People's Ages==<br />
On another track entirely: Discworld characters routinely start their careers at age sixteen. If their years have four hundred days, however, this is equivalent to about seventeen and a half or near eighteen Roundworld years. This goes some way toward explaining the maturity of juvenile characters from [[Carrot Ironfoundersson]] to [[Tiffany Aching]]. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:21, 9 September 2013 (GMT)<br />
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== Variances with the MUD ==<br />
In researching this calendar, I came across the realtime implementation at the [https://discworld.starturtle.net/lpc/playing/documentation.c?path=/concepts/calendar Discworld MUD]. I'm curious about several variances from the specification here:<br />
* Their common year begins with Offle and ends with Ick.<br />
* Their "UC" year is 800 days long with Prime and Secundus cycles.<br />
* Their week begins with Monday and ends with Octeday. (Order not given here so I am assuming a traditional Sunday start.)<br />
Are these blatant errors or mere differences of interpretation? --[[User:Jvraines|Jvraines]] ([[User talk:Jvraines|talk]]) 15:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)<br />
:{{TCDA}} shows months and weeks beginning with Octeday and ending Sunday; I don't know if there's a real canonical source. The first two sound like "blatant errors". --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 17:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)<br />
::It occurs to me that the MUD’s calendar systems probably pre-date “official” sources for this info, or at least used early ones that were revised in later iterations. But also, those official sources don’t agree with each other. Notably, {{UDC}} and [[Book:GURPS Discworld|the tabletop roleplaying game]] (another semi-official source which Terry worked on; I have the second, combined edition) agree that the common year begins with Offle and ends with Ick. They both also say that Octeday comes at the ''end'' of the week, but don't say whether the week is considered to start on a Monday or a Sunday. So while there’s still some room for interpretation, that’s two out of three sources for Octeday as the end of the week, but the one to show it as a calendar says the opposite... As usual when it comes to continuity, Pratchett didn’t really bother unless it served the story or the jokes, so there’s likely no real, canonical answer. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 08:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=You&diff=35169You2024-01-11T06:46:02Z<p>Guybrush: Copyedit; added details about her parent confirmed by Tiffany Aching’s Guide</p>
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<div>A white kitten, given to [[Granny Weatherwax]] by [[Tiffany Aching]] in a mood of calculated [[headology]]. ({{W}}) Her mother was [[Pinky]], a cat belonging to the [[Widow Cable]], who had a litter of white kittens in the widow’s bed after she passed away. Unable to escape the locked up house, they had to find something to eat. Tiffany dealt with the widow’s body, but the story of the kitten’s first solid meal got around and caused some difficulty with giving the kittens away. ({{ISWM}}; {{TAG}})<br />
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In the manner of most [[cats]], the name that sticks was acquired almost by stealth, and can be taken as shorthand for "''Stop that, You''," a milder version of ''“gerrofoutofityoubugger!”'', the pronunciation of [[Greebo]] used by most people who have met him.<br />
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Tiffany is in some obscure way testing out Granny, a known [[wikipedia:Ailurophobia|ailurophobe]], with her gift of a cat, viewed in many cultures as the essential accessory for the working witch, or else a natural development in the life of an eccentric old spinster who lives on her own.<br />
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Granny has reluctantly accepted the burden of being owned by a cat. (Naïve people refer to this as "cat ownership", which is correct, but then get the relationship of "owned" and "owner" exactly wrong.)<br />
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You trained Granny to take her everywhere she goes. As a kitten, You reclined in the warmth and comfort of the space between Granny's tightly bunned hair and pointy hat. As of ''I Shall Wear Midnight'', she drapes herself across Granny's shoulders like a recumbent queen, from which venue she might (rarely) grace someone with the immeasurable honor of blinking at them for a second or two, before losing interest.<br />
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You's self-evident mastery of headology has ensured that she eats better than anyone else in the Weatherwax household: whilst Granny and [[Miss Tick]] dine on watery bacon soup, You enjoys the luxury of chicken scraps.<br />
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You has also, by an act of desperate audacity, earnt the respect (or, more precisely, fear) of [[Greebo]], who now has another reason to hide or not be at home whenever Granny visits [[Nanny Ogg]].<br />
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<div>'''Fishing from the same stream''' is a literary phenomenon that is common among authors- particularly ones from the sci-fi and fantasy genres- that is the source of great discussion from fans, journalists, and lawyers alike.<br />
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Many people believe that the use of this is plagiarism, but nothing could be further from the truth. Terry points out that the stream is like a boiling pot- different writers use its contents, but ‘’do not steal each other’s ideas’’. That is not how ideas function. A [[Unseen University|school for wizards]]- that works. It was no-one’s idea ''per se'', but it captures the imagination, and is good to use in novels. The reason clichés are so popular is that they are the nuts and bolts of a writer’s toolkit- the ideas are emblazoned on the public consciousness, and are simply used separately by different writers. <br />
As the creator himself said, when questioned about the Rowling/Plagiarism debates: "[When people ask:] So, are you accusing JK Rowling of plagiarism? [I] sigh deeply and say: No. Don't be silly, that's how genres work. Writers have always put a new spin on old ideas. I can think of a dozen pre-Hogwarts 'Magic schools'. Some of them are pre-Unseen University, too. It doesn't matter. No one is stealing from anyone. It's a shared heritage."<br />
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And by its very nature, fantasy fiction draws on the whole vast panoply of the world's mythology, history and folklore, which by its very nature is common heritage and cannot be copyrighted.<br />
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See [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld|''The Folklore of Discworld'']] (with Dr. [[Jacqueline Simpson]]) for further examples of this phenomenon in Discworld.<br />
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==Examples==<br />
* If your gang consists of two people - if it is, in fact, a gangette - one will be the [[Mr. Pin|brains of the outfit]] and one will [[Mr. Tulip|supply the muscle and speak like dis]]. They must both, of course, wear black suits. If there are three of them, this still applies, but the new one will be called Fingers.<br />
* The mediaeval idea of the [[Unseen University|Invisible College]] was a secret society which a seeker after wisdom had to find for himself in order to learn all about sorcery, wizardry and magic. At all stages the neophyte wizard was warned that magic was a tricky thing that could bite back and cause damage. As the price for the Devil providing teaching, one pupil in every class was taken to Hell (the [[Dungeon Dimensions]]?). Echoes of this concept inform both [[Unseen University]] and Hogwarts. <br />
* The [[Hiver]] draws from an ancient Celtic spirit of evil and destruction, previously used by author Alan Garner in his fantasy novel ''The Moon of Gomrath''. If readers of both books have noticed similarities, they would be dead right.<br />
* Both {{NW}} (2005) and ''[[wikipedia:Life on Mars (British TV series)|Life on Mars]]'' (2006-2007) centre on an honest copper - named Sam! - thrown back thirty years in time to right a wrong and enable him to return to his present, exactly as he left it. Sam is confronted with the slightly primitive policing techniques of the past, and introduces elements of sensitive modern policing on a force not quite mentally equipped to accept it. ''Life on Mars'' has plenty of big differences, perhaps most importantly the recurring theme of Sam trying to determine if he has really travelled in time, or if the whole thing is a hallucination.<br />
* In Lindsey Davis’ Roman crime novel ''Saturnalia'', the Lord of Misrule at Saturnalia is “randomly” selected by getting a fateful bean in their lunch. Compare this to those earthly avatars of the [[Hogfather]], who were “randomly” selected for sacrifice by getting the bean. And the Roman Saturnalia and Discworld's Hogswatch are, of course, aspects of the same universal midwinter festival.<br />
* The English translation of the fourth Tintin album, ''Cigars of the Pharoah'', makes mention of a “[[Djelibeybi|Djelababi tribe]]”. Whether Pratchett read this story (first printed in 1932, and re-drawn for colour publication as an album in 1955) is unknown, but it may also be that there are only so many English language puns to be made from what English-speakers think of as Egyptian-sounding syllables.<br />
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=== Fool’s Guild Mysteries ===<br />
The Fool’s Guild Mysteries series, written by [[wikipedia:Alan Gordon (author)|Alan Gordon]] and beginning with ''Thirteenth Night'' in 1999, feature the fool Feste from Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night solving murders and other mysteries. Feste, given the real name Theophilus, is a member of a secret spy ring of jesters who try to keep peace and control the leaders of different countries. The Fool's Guild of these novels is portrayed as a mockery to the church, and they refer to Jesus Christ as "Their Saviour, the First Fool”. <br />
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This is very similar to some of Pratchett’s post-{{MAA}} ideas about the [[Fools Guild|Fools and Clowns Guild of Ankh-Morpork]], which survives because the Guild's graduates go everywhere, end up in some very high places, and periodically report back to Doctor Whiteface. But Alan Gordon himself says he was not inspired by Pratchett, and his first Fools' Guild short story "The Jester and the Saint” was published in December 1995, and so pre-dating Pratchett’s ideas about the Fool’s Guild working as a spy network (which are most clearly laid out in the ''[[Book:Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001|Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001]]'').<br />
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Both authors are also fishing in the stream of history: in German the Narrenzunft or Fools' Guilds were local organisations in towns in the Black Forest region, formed to celebrate Fasnacht, a pre-Christian holiday in midwinter that became co-opted into Mardi Gras later on.<br />
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=== ''Family Guy'' ===<br />
An animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane about Peter Griffin and his dysfunctional family. First broadcast in 1999. <br />
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* One of the main characters is Brian, a talking and (slightly) anthropomorphic dog who is by far the most capable, intelligent, and mature member of the Griffin family. In one episode he is distracted by Lois throwing a ball and yelling "fetch", and he is unable to override his canine instincts and chase it, though he's aware enough of this to curse Lois. This resembles the scene in {{MP}} (1990) where [[Victor Tugelbend]] uses the same trick with a stick to get [[Gaspode]] and [[Laddie]] to safety; Gaspode similarly curses Victor for his deception.<br />
* Death is a recurring character in the series, appearing as a traditional skeleton in a black robe toting a scythe. He lacks the essential gravitas of Discworld's [[Death]].<br />
* In another sequence resembling {{MP}}, another episode features an evil robotic version of Hannah Montana climbing up a very high building carrying a monkey. Both are inversions of the famous sequence in ''[[King Kong]]''.<br />
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=== ''American Dad'' ===<br />
Another animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane. Set in the same universe as ''Family Guy'', following ultra-conservative CIA agent Stan Smith and his family. First broadcast in 2005.<br />
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* Stan's daughter's boyfriend Jeff Smith is an underweight, scraggly bearded hippie. In one episode he claims his "mother ran away before I was born" - a joke used by Pratchett for [[Rincewind]] in {{S}}. (Jeff also plays a not-very-good wizard in an online fantasy roleplaying game.)<br />
* In another episode, Stan's wife Francine and daughter Hayley are competing in a cooking contest, but are both beaten by Roger, the "grey" alien who lives in the family's attic. Roger disguises himself and uses the name Emmylou Sugarbean. This and [[Glenda Sugarbean]] are likely just creating the same cutesy last name; there’s not much other than cooking that links the two characters.<br />
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'''The Kingdom of the Sun, The Old Kingdom of Djelibeybi''':<br />
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At two miles wide and one hundred and fifty miles long this is a narrow country along the river [[Djel]]. It is almost completely submersed during the wet season. It is on the [[Klatch (continent)|Klatchian]] coast of the [[Circle Sea]]. Djelibeybi has spent seven thousand years building [[pyramid]]s for her monarchs, and has driven herself bankrupt. The two most recent monarchs have been more eager for international trading and technological advances like [[Guild of Plumbers and Dunnikindivers|plumbing]] and bridges/viaducts, ideally with crenellations from which the formerly sacred river crocodiles may be shot at/have large stones dropped on them from a suitably great height. Pyramid-building has ceased, freeing the rich soil along the Djel for agricultural uses, which will probably boost the country's economy. After all, a lot of loose building stone is now available, most of it cut up into handy-to-use pre-squared blocks of masonry, so why waste it? Especially now it's going to be needed for all those bridges and aqueducts and things. <br />
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Under the benign auspices of the goddess [[Bast]], Djelybeybi is also a country where [[cats]] are considered a sacred animal. Anyone who has encountered a Djelibeybian cat might actively prefer a sacred crocodile, as serious wounds can be inflicted by a hissing, spitting, flattened-eared, highly inbred, maniacal, feline. It remains an unresolved issue as to what the status of formerly sacred cats will be under the new regime, but thus far, nobody has suggested building high bridges over the litter tray so that large stones (of which there is a sudden sufficiency) may be dropped upon them from a great height. Perhaps the problem is that a nation built on sand is effectively one vast litter tray from a cat perspective; at least crocodiles are confined to the river, so providing for their culling is a side-benefit of recycling pyramids into bridges...<br />
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Though ostensibly a monarchy, Djelibeybi was in effect ruled by [[Dios]], the never-aging high priest to all of Djelibeybi's monarchs who interprets the laws and is as powerful as any other Grand Vizier, until he was sent back in time (his life is a never-ending time loop) in {{P}}.<br />
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Djelibeybi used to be something of an empire thousands of years ago. After the aforesaid bankruptcy, Djelibeybi hasn't been conquered by her strong neighbors [[Tsort]] and [[Ephebe]] (one on each side of the long, narrow country) because if one conquered Djelibeybi, the border would be immediately next to the other strong neighbor, and there would be more trouble.<br />
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After [[Dios]] is removed from the loop, or rather, Djelibeybi is removed from the loop in time within which Dios remains inextricably caught up, the country is now on the road to financial solvency and new prosperity under the guiding hand of Queen [[Ptraci]] I, a former handmaid who has come into her own since her parentage was revealed, and who has some good ideas for the future.<br />
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Main setting for the novel {{p}}. Djelibeybi also is among the forces that set out to defeat [[Omnia]] once and for all, in {{SG}}. The name literally translates to "Child of Djel". According to the local calendar, which is likely to differ from the [[Discworld calendar|consensus calendar]], the events of ''Pyramids'' took place in the Century of the Cobra. <br />
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==Deities==<br />
''An incomplete list of the known gods of Djelibeybi:''<br />
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===Supreme Gods===<br />
''The Djelibeybatian pantheon has nine Supreme Gods who all appear to be equally Supreme, including:''<br />
*[[Net]]<br />
*[[Ptooie]]<br />
*[[Set]]<br />
*[[Sot]]<br />
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===Supreme Gods of the Afterlife===<br />
''There are also at least four Supreme Gods of the [[Netherworld|Djelibeybatian version of the afterlife]]''<br />
*[[Orexis-Nupt]]<br />
*[[Silur]]<br />
*[[Syncope]]<br />
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===Other Gods===<br />
*[[Bast]] - God of cats<br />
*[[Bunu]] - God of goats<br />
*[[Cephnet]] - A sun God<br />
*[[Cephut]] - God of cutlery<br />
*[[Fhez]] - God of the lower [[Djel]]<br />
*[[Gil]] - Another sun god<br />
*[[Hat]] - God of unexpected guests<br />
*[[Khefin]] - God of gateways<br />
*[[Nept]] - Goddess of the sky<br />
*[[Nesh]] - A sun Goddess<br />
*[[Sarduk]] - Goddess of caves<br />
*[[Sessifret]] - Goddess of the afternoon<br />
*[[Teg]] - God of agriculture<br />
*[[Thrrp]] - Sun god and Charioteer of the Sun<br />
*[[Tzut]] - God of the upper [[Djel]]<br />
*[[What]] - Goddess of the Sky<br />
*[[Vut]] - God of the evening<br />
*[[Yay]] - Another sun god<br />
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==Annotations==<br />
* Djelibeybi is strongly based on Ancient Egypt. A country located by a great river with pyramids, a multitude of gods, ruled by a god-king known as a Pharaoh, and who prepare their dead for the afterlife using mummification rituals.<br />
* The name Djelibeybi is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Jelly baby|jelly babies]], a pun which according to Terry Pratchett many readers seem to have [http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/soul-music.html#p10982 missed]. It may have been inspired by the djellaba, a traditional Arabic garment native to the Maghreb, and/or the jellabiya which is a similar outfit worn around the Persian Gulf. (See also the [[fishing from the same stream]] page for another similar pun in Tintin.)<br />
** Djelibeybi is a civilisation founded on the recirculation and manipulation of Time, so it the name may also be inspired by a certain Time Lord...the Doctor of British television institution ''[[wikipedia:Doctor Who|Doctor Who]]''. At the height of his 1970s fame, the Doctor (then played by Tom Baker) frequently offered a favourite sweet to friend and foe alike to disarm them. You guessed it: a jelly baby.<br />
** Hence also the appearance of the otherwise-unknown [[Hersheba]], a throw-in for the American trade where jelly babies aren't known, but [[wikipedia:Hershey Bar|Hershey Bars]] are.<br />
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<div>'''Fishing from the same stream''' is a literary phenomenon that is common among authors- particularly ones from the sci-fi and fantasy genres- that is the source of great discussion from fans, journalists, and lawyers alike.<br />
<br />
Many people believe that the use of this is plagiarism, but nothing could be further from the truth. Terry points out that the stream is like a boiling pot- different writers use its contents, but ‘’do not steal each other’s ideas’’. That is not how ideas function. A [[Unseen University|school for wizards]]- that works. It was no-one’s idea ''per se'', but it captures the imagination, and is good to use in novels. The reason clichés are so popular is that they are the nuts and bolts of a writer’s toolkit- the ideas are emblazoned on the public consciousness, and are simply used separately by different writers. <br />
As the creator himself said, when questioned about the Rowling/Plagiarism debates: "[When people ask:] So, are you accusing JK Rowling of plagiarism? [I] sigh deeply and say: No. Don't be silly, that's how genres work. Writers have always put a new spin on old ideas. I can think of a dozen pre-Hogwarts 'Magic schools'. Some of them are pre-Unseen University, too. It doesn't matter. No one is stealing from anyone. It's a shared heritage."<br />
<br />
And by its very nature, fantasy fiction draws on the whole vast panoply of the world's mythology, history and folklore, which by its very nature is common heritage and cannot be copyrighted.<br />
<br />
See [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld|''The Folklore of Discworld'']] (with Dr. [[Jacqueline Simpson]]) for further examples of this phenomenon in Discworld.<br />
<br />
==Examples==<br />
* If your gang consists of two people - if it is, in fact, a gangette - one will be the [[Mr. Pin|brains of the outfit]] and one will [[Mr. Tulip|supply the muscle and speak like dis]]. They must both, of course, wear black suits. If there are three of them, this still applies, but the new one will be called Fingers.<br />
* The mediaeval idea of the [[Unseen University|Invisible College]] was a secret society which a seeker after wisdom had to find for himself in order to learn all about sorcery, wizardry and magic. At all stages the neophyte wizard was warned that magic was a tricky thing that could bite back and cause damage. As the price for the Devil providing teaching, one pupil in every class was taken to Hell (the [[Dungeon Dimensions]]?). Echoes of this concept inform both [[Unseen University]] and Hogwarts. <br />
* The [[Hiver]] draws from an ancient Celtic spirit of evil and destruction, previously used by author Alan Garner in his fantasy novel ''The Moon of Gomrath''. If readers of both books have noticed similarities, they would be dead right.<br />
* Both {{NW}} (2005) and ''[[wikipedia:Life on Mars (British TV series)|Life on Mars]]'' (2006-2007) centre on an honest copper - named Sam! - thrown back thirty years in time to right a wrong and enable him to return to his present, exactly as he left it. Sam is confronted with the slightly primitive policing techniques of the past, and introduces elements of sensitive modern policing on a force not quite mentally equipped to accept it. ''Life on Mars'' has plenty of big differences, perhaps most importantly the recurring theme of Sam trying to determine if he has really travelled in time, or if the whole thing is a hallucination.<br />
* In Lindsey Davis’ Roman crime novel ''Saturnalia'', the Lord of Misrule at Saturnalia is “randomly” selected by getting a fateful bean in their lunch. Compare this to those earthly avatars of the [[Hogfather]], who were “randomly” selected for sacrifice by getting the bean. And the Roman Saturnalia and Discworld's Hogswatch are, of course, aspects of the same universal midwinter festival.<br />
* The English translation of the fourth Tintin album, ''Cigars of the Pharoah'', makes mention of a “[[Djelibeybi|Djelababi tribe]]”. Whether Pratchett read this story (first printing in 1932, and re-published in colour in album form in 1955) is unknown, but it may also be that there are only so many English language puns to be made from what English-speakers think of as Egyptian-sounding syllables.<br />
<br />
=== Fool’s Guild Mysteries ===<br />
The Fool’s Guild Mysteries series, written by [[wikipedia:Alan Gordon (author)|Alan Gordon]] and beginning with ''Thirteenth Night'' in 1999, feature the fool Feste from Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night solving murders and other mysteries. Feste, given the real name Theophilus, is a member of a secret spy ring of jesters who try to keep peace and control the leaders of different countries. The Fool's Guild of these novels is portrayed as a mockery to the church, and they refer to Jesus Christ as "Their Saviour, the First Fool”. <br />
<br />
This is very similar to some of Pratchett’s post-{{MAA}} ideas about the [[Fools Guild|Fools and Clowns Guild of Ankh-Morpork]], which survives because the Guild's graduates go everywhere, end up in some very high places, and periodically report back to Doctor Whiteface. But Alan Gordon himself says he was not inspired by Pratchett, and his first Fools' Guild short story "The Jester and the Saint” was published in December 1995, and so pre-dating Pratchett’s ideas about the Fool’s Guild working as a spy network (which are most clearly laid out in the ''[[Book:Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001|Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001]]'').<br />
<br />
Both authors are also fishing in the stream of history: in German the Narrenzunft or Fools' Guilds were local organisations in towns in the Black Forest region, formed to celebrate Fasnacht, a pre-Christian holiday in midwinter that became co-opted into Mardi Gras later on.<br />
<br />
=== ''Family Guy'' ===<br />
An animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane about Peter Griffin and his dysfunctional family. First broadcast in 1999. <br />
<br />
* One of the main characters is Brian, a talking and (slightly) anthropomorphic dog who is by far the most capable, intelligent, and mature member of the Griffin family. In one episode he is distracted by Lois throwing a ball and yelling "fetch", and he is unable to override his canine instincts and chase it, though he's aware enough of this to curse Lois. This resembles the scene in {{MP}} (1990) where [[Victor Tugelbend]] uses the same trick with a stick to get [[Gaspode]] and [[Laddie]] to safety; Gaspode similarly curses Victor for his deception.<br />
* Death is a recurring character in the series, appearing as a traditional skeleton in a black robe toting a scythe. He lacks the essential gravitas of Discworld's [[Death]].<br />
* In another sequence resembling {{MP}}, another episode features an evil robotic version of Hannah Montana climbing up a very high building carrying a monkey. Both are inversions of the famous sequence in ''[[King Kong]]''.<br />
<br />
=== ''American Dad'' ===<br />
Another animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane. Set in the same universe as ''Family Guy'', following ultra-conservative CIA agent Stan Smith and his family. First broadcast in 2005.<br />
<br />
* Stan's daughter's boyfriend Jeff Smith is an underweight, scraggly bearded hippie. In one episode he claims his "mother ran away before I was born" - a joke used by Pratchett for [[Rincewind]] in {{S}}. (Jeff also plays a not-very-good wizard in an online fantasy roleplaying game.)<br />
* In another episode, Stan's wife Francine and daughter Hayley are competing in a cooking contest, but are both beaten by Roger, the "grey" alien who lives in the family's attic. Roger disguises himself and uses the name Emmylou Sugarbean. This and [[Glenda Sugarbean]] are likely just creating the same cutesy last name; there’s not much other than cooking that links the two characters.<br />
<br />
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<hr />
<div>'''Fishing from the same stream''' is a literary phenomenon that is common among authors- particularly ones from the sci-fi and fantasy genres- that is the source of great discussion from fans, journalists, and lawyers alike.<br />
<br />
Many people believe that the use of this is plagiarism, but nothing could be further from the truth. Terry points out that the stream is like a boiling pot- different writers use its contents, but ‘’do not steal each other’s ideas’’. That is not how ideas function. A [[Unseen University|school for wizards]]- that works. It was no-one’s idea ''per se'', but it captures the imagination, and is good to use in novels. The reason clichés are so popular is that they are the nuts and bolts of a writer’s toolkit- the ideas are emblazoned on the public consciousness, and are simply used separately by different writers. <br />
As the creator himself said, when questioned about the Rowling/Plagiarism debates: "[When people ask:] So, are you accusing JK Rowling of plagiarism? [I] sigh deeply and say: No. Don't be silly, that's how genres work. Writers have always put a new spin on old ideas. I can think of a dozen pre-Hogwarts 'Magic schools'. Some of them are pre-Unseen University, too. It doesn't matter. No one is stealing from anyone. It's a shared heritage."<br />
<br />
And by its very nature, fantasy fiction draws on the whole vast panoply of the world's mythology, history and folklore, which by its very nature is common heritage and cannot be copyrighted.<br />
<br />
See [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld|''The Folklore of Discworld'']] (with Dr. [[Jacqueline Simpson]]) for further examples of this phenomenon in Discworld.<br />
<br />
==Examples==<br />
* If your gang consists of two people - if it is, in fact, a gangette - one will be the [[Mr. Pin|brains of the outfit]] and one will [[Mr. Tulip|supply the muscle and speak like dis]]. They must both, of course, wear black suits. If there are three of them, this still applies, but the new one will be called Fingers.<br />
* The mediaeval idea of the [[Unseen University|Invisible College]] was a secret society which a seeker after wisdom had to find for himself in order to learn all about sorcery, wizardry and magic. At all stages the neophyte wizard was warned that magic was a tricky thing that could bite back and cause damage. As the price for the Devil providing teaching, one pupil in every class was taken to Hell (the [[Dungeon Dimensions]]?). Echoes of this concept inform both [[Unseen University]] and Hogwarts. <br />
* The [[Hiver]] draws from an ancient Celtic spirit of evil and destruction, previously used by author Alan Garner in his fantasy novel ''The Moon of Gomrath''. If readers of both books have noticed similarities, they would be dead right.<br />
* Both {{NW}} (2005) and ''[[wikipedia:Life on Mars (British TV series)|Life on Mars]]'' (2006-2007) centre on an honest copper - named Sam! - thrown back thirty years in time to right a wrong and enable him to return to his present, exactly as he left it. Sam is confronted with the slightly primitive policing techniques of the past, and introduces elements of sensitive modern policing on a force not quite mentally equipped to accept it. ''Life on Mars'' has plenty of big differences, perhaps most importantly the recurring theme of Sam trying to determine if he has really travelled in time, or if the whole thing is a hallucination.<br />
* In Lindsey Davis’ Roman crime novel ''Saturnalia'', the Lord of Misrule at Saturnalia is “randomly” selected by getting a fateful bean in their lunch. Compare this to those earthly avatars of the [[Hogfather]], who were “randomly” selected for sacrifice by getting the bean. And the Roman Saturnalia and Discworld's Hogswatch are, of course, aspects of the same universal midwinter festival.<br />
* The English translation of the fourth Tintin album, ''Cigars of the Pharoah'', makes mention of a “Djelababi tribe”. Whether Pratchett read this story (first printing in 1932, and re-published in colour in album form in 1955) is unknown, but it may also be that there are only so many English language puns to be made from what English-speakers think of as Egyptian-sounding syllables.<br />
<br />
=== Fool’s Guild Mysteries ===<br />
The Fool’s Guild Mysteries series, written by [[wikipedia:Alan Gordon (author)|Alan Gordon]] and beginning with ''Thirteenth Night'' in 1999, feature the fool Feste from Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night solving murders and other mysteries. Feste, given the real name Theophilus, is a member of a secret spy ring of jesters who try to keep peace and control the leaders of different countries. The Fool's Guild of these novels is portrayed as a mockery to the church, and they refer to Jesus Christ as "Their Saviour, the First Fool”. <br />
<br />
This is very similar to some of Pratchett’s post-{{MAA}} ideas about the [[Fools Guild|Fools and Clowns Guild of Ankh-Morpork]], which survives because the Guild's graduates go everywhere, end up in some very high places, and periodically report back to Doctor Whiteface. But Alan Gordon himself says he was not inspired by Pratchett, and his first Fools' Guild short story "The Jester and the Saint” was published in December 1995, and so pre-dating Pratchett’s ideas about the Fool’s Guild working as a spy network (which are most clearly laid out in the ''[[Book:Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001|Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001]]'').<br />
<br />
Both authors are also fishing in the stream of history: in German the Narrenzunft or Fools' Guilds were local organisations in towns in the Black Forest region, formed to celebrate Fasnacht, a pre-Christian holiday in midwinter that became co-opted into Mardi Gras later on.<br />
<br />
=== ''Family Guy'' ===<br />
An animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane about Peter Griffin and his dysfunctional family. First broadcast in 1999. <br />
<br />
* One of the main characters is Brian, a talking and (slightly) anthropomorphic dog who is by far the most capable, intelligent, and mature member of the Griffin family. In one episode he is distracted by Lois throwing a ball and yelling "fetch", and he is unable to override his canine instincts and chase it, though he's aware enough of this to curse Lois. This resembles the scene in {{MP}} (1990) where [[Victor Tugelbend]] uses the same trick with a stick to get [[Gaspode]] and [[Laddie]] to safety; Gaspode similarly curses Victor for his deception.<br />
* Death is a recurring character in the series, appearing as a traditional skeleton in a black robe toting a scythe. He lacks the essential gravitas of Discworld's [[Death]].<br />
* In another sequence resembling {{MP}}, another episode features an evil robotic version of Hannah Montana climbing up a very high building carrying a monkey. Both are inversions of the famous sequence in ''[[King Kong]]''.<br />
<br />
=== ''American Dad'' ===<br />
Another animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane. Set in the same universe as ''Family Guy'', following ultra-conservative CIA agent Stan Smith and his family. First broadcast in 2005.<br />
<br />
* Stan's daughter's boyfriend Jeff Smith is an underweight, scraggly bearded hippie. In one episode he claims his "mother ran away before I was born" - a joke used by Pratchett for [[Rincewind]] in {{S}}. (Jeff also plays a not-very-good wizard in an online fantasy roleplaying game.)<br />
* In another episode, Stan's wife Francine and daughter Hayley are competing in a cooking contest, but are both beaten by Roger, the "grey" alien who lives in the family's attic. Roger disguises himself and uses the name Emmylou Sugarbean. This and [[Glenda Sugarbean]] are likely just creating the same cutesy last name; there’s not much other than cooking that links the two characters.<br />
<br />
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==Well, that hurts==<br />
Changing the backend of architecture had a hiccup and I had to restore from my previous backup. We've all new changes since the 23rd :( --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Back up again faster than expected; now about the previous problem... Is there yet hope of recovering the Discworld & Terry Pratchett namespace (or the missing images)? I have the Mended Drum archives, but I don't know what's to be done with the rest of the missing pieces. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I restored the Mended Drum archives. What other pages are you looking for? --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:The portals on the Main Page, mainly (the About page doesn't even have the link now); there may be more I haven't seen yet. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 19:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I think everything is back. At least all of the ones I can find in the database are restored. Can you give me an example page with a missing image? I'll tackle those next. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 21:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Yay! (I wonder how you did that.) Missing image in [[Chidder]], e,g. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 22:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC) The File List suggests that all images between Aug, 2006 and the Long Drive may be missing. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]])<br />
::Sent you an email --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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==New staff==<br />
After a long period of inadequate supervision, the wiki is pleased to announce the appointment of new administrators:<BR><br />
[[User:Jagra|Jagra]] as Head Librarian and<BR><br />
[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Rabbi Moishe Rosenbaum]] as Spiritual Adviser . [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<BR><br />
And belatedly, having opened his email:<BR><br />
[[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] representing the underside of the Disc.<br />
:Much appreciated! I'll huddle up with [[Mightily Oats|Pastor Oats]]. Thanks, Old Dickens and Osiris! [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 01:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks very much; and a position that no ones going to try to assassinate me over. Ook. [[User:Jagra|Jagra]] ([[User talk:Jagra|talk]]) 22:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, you know what they say about "running on Fourecksian time"... Thanks folks. Nice to be on the team. - [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 03:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Discussion of respect for peripheral creations==<br />
(''moved from [[Talk:Jocasta Wiggs]].'')<BR><br />
Gee I hate ''The Watch''! Does it deserve references here beyond its own page acknowledging its existence? It has almost nothing to do with the works of Terry Pratchett. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I mean, it's a related work and people are going to want to know more about it; I don't like the idea of trying to put everything relevant on that one page. And if someone wants to know more about the character in the show, who gets a lot more screen time than the book version, this felt like the right place for a little paragraph. But if the consensus is it's not wanted here, fair enough and I'll stop adding info about it. I'll note it's not universally hated, though, despite its faults. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 03:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
OK, two opinions. Is anyone invoking Terry's name entitled to advertising here? Where's the limit? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::I haven't seen the show, and I don't intend to - not after I saw what the young (my age!) Ms. Pratchett had to say about it on twitter a long while ago. But, that said... it's not a pirated fanfic, it's a legit derivative work that, as Guybrush says, people may come to this site for info about. As long as anything about it is clearly marked as from the show, or "non canonical", or something like that - as long as we're not representing ''The Watch'' as an actual Terry Pratchett creation - I'm okay with it getting coverage. Though my heart agrees with Old Dickens. And someone please correct me if I'm wrong about anything here. [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 05:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Terry's name appears in the titles, Rob is still credited as a producer and the Narrativia logo appears at the end, which for me is qualification enough; and no other adaptation has been different enough to require additional information like this (except maybe the TV version of {{GO}}). But it's true that the important difference between {{TW}} and other adaptations is that the official Pratchett team are clearly unhappy with the result, and that they didn't have the equivalent of the veto power Terry had on all projects while he was alive. I also understand why people don't like it, even if I did (if with plenty of reservations). I want to document it somewhere - not least for fans who want to know more about it without watching it - but to avoid contention, perhaps we should just confine it to the specific article. I can find somewhere else for the greater detail. (As it happens, [https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com I have a whole separate wiki I've been working on], on which I've already set up interwiki to L-Space.) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 12:11, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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You may be right. I started here arguing against content restrictions since we don't take up any weight or shelf space.<BR><br />
What, then, might be reasonable limits to inclusion or linking in the wiki? So far, I and contemporaries have treated spam pretty ruthlessly because it was obvious. What credit do we give a book/story/movie/tvseries/game/... that has only a nominal connection to Terry Pratchett? We already treat [[Discworld Noir]] as if it were canon, so it's muddy. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:This discussion is getting big enough that we should shift it to the Drum, since it's no longer just about {{TW}}, but what our policy is on inclusion of stuff in general. My two cents though is that anything officially licensed should definitely be included, and that unambiguously includes both {{TW}} and ''[[Discworld Noir]]'', even though neither was written by Terry himself. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 00:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
I think the difference is that Discworld Noir does not get equal billing in an article if it uses a canonical name. What do we do with fanfic versions and creations? I still prefer separation of peripherals. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
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We used to have a page for administrative discussion, but Osiris never liked the idea. -- [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Down time==<br />
And...we're back. They blowed that cable up real good. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 16:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Railroad company doing maintenance didn't check for existing lines and dragged it's feet taking responsibility and allowing access for repairs. 1100 Tuesday to 0200 Friday complete outage. Then I had to update the DNS back to normal and wait for propagation. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 16:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::Woo-hoo! Thanks, Osiris. For all I understand about such things, you might as well have said "a witch flew into a tower." Glad we are up and running again! :-) [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 18:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Yeah, he often talks IT to me. I just smile and nod. He's a sort of Ponder Stibbons among us old-fashioned wizards. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::As someone who did understand all of those words...thanks for getting it sorted, Osiris! ;) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Those missing facilities==<br />
Is the loss of hit counters, PopularPages and such interesting utilities due to practical or philosophical reasons? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==CQ Vade Mecum==<br />
French site ''Vade Mecum'' has been hijacked and the link leads to a load of malevolent crap.<br />
Their Facebook page remains and doesn't mention the problem. It wants someone with better<br />
French than mine to ask them. -- [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 03:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Page count==<br />
Trying to do a count of total pages (the page counter having been broken for some years), I find that Special:AllPages reports:<BR><br />
"A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." <BR>It gives the error code <br />
[71b51ca94cd2a7996b274243] 2022-05-12 04:37:07: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Rejects==<br />
I'm glad "TilanissaWildhawk" and "Argent Stallion" are just spammers. They sound problematic as real contributors. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 15:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Test==<br />
Editing appears to work.<br />
: Does editing still work?<br />
I dunno; ISP has been down all day all over the country. (Seems to work [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC))<br />
:This is me. Testing editing after applying the upgrade... --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 19:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Server Move==<br />
Editing may be a bit slow for a while. I had to move to a slower system to perform some maintenance on the old server. I'll move it back as soon as i can. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 20:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Moved DB to Amazon RDS so we'll see how fast it goes. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 20:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Not that fast at the moment. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Everything okay?==<br />
Site's been offline for a day or two, by my reckoning; just moving back to the old server, or something else? (PS - I've been bit quiet, but I'm still around!) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC) <br />
:Back for a while, but not on the real server, apparently; still at dial-up speed. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 16:04, 30 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Back on dedicated hardware. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 22:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)<br />
[[Category:Wiki Data|Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum]]<br />
:Back at warp speed already! Nice work, Scotty! [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:56, 3 August 2022 (UTC)<br />
:'''Special pages''' is not back, however. [7f0d5fb90f244811375db569] 2022-08-03 20:03:27: Fatal exception of type "TypeError" [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 20:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I complained before about the loss of some features of Special Pages, but I wonder if we can get along without the whole set. Are they coming back?<BR><br />
:(I can search out individual pages if I can remember the Speling, and Categories are available from the Main page, but the list was more convenient. If the list must go the link should be removed from the sidebar.) [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:35, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Annotations (again)==<br />
Soliciting opinions of administrators and all users on the admissibility and editing of annotations; does the old consensus hold? Does anyone's opinion qualify as an Annotation? See [[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum#Annotations]]. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I think some editorial control would be appropriate, at least in the form of some basic standards. We're the successor of the APF, and that was compiled intentionally, rather than including every comment made by fans on the group. I agree with Moishe that "this reminds me of this other thing" isn't sufficient. As a baseline, specific similarities should be cited, and where possible evidence for a link. If there is none, then that should be clear by using language like "might be a reference to" - there are some long bow comments in some annotations which are written as if they are fact. And I am also okay with old annotations being edited where appropriate, too. Part of agreeing to contribute to a wiki is understanding what you write is not permanent and may be changed by others over time. Disagreements can be hashed out on Discussion pages if need be. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 11:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Well said, Guybrush. Successor to the APF - large boots to fill! You're right that we need to aspire to that level, even if we don't reach it all the time.[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 00:39, 20 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
With all due respect to Leo and Mike, I had hoped for more than a collection of annotations. If, on the other hand, we were going to be a continuation of the APF, annotations would need to be filed in the annotation pages with original edition page numbers. Nobody does that. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)<BR>Moishe said: "Yet I kinda think that on a wiki, we have to put up with some of the less-specific annotations in order to get the awesome ones, the same way panning for gold requires one's hands to get quite mucky before the good stuff filters out." I guess that depends on your idea of less-specific but I'd prefer we tried to refine the gold and dump the muck. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Well, I do put annotations in that way - and I'm willing to go through and move them to separate pages, with page numbers, for the books at least. (Page numbers don't have to be from the original editions (the later paperbacks are far more common these days, after all), as long as the edition is noted.) For other kinds of articles, a separate annotations section at the bottom is fine, but should be cleaned up wherever possible. We aren't just annotations, of course - I also think our role is to be a source of "who is that again?" kind of information that the Discworld Companions are actually really bad for, as they are all jokes and no actual context - but we're also not the only Discworld-themed wiki. I'm keen for us to differentiate ourselves and not end up a dumping ground for everything like some of them are; the Fandom one, for example, has huge slabs of the APF next to stuff from this wiki and other stuff that's just nonsense, with no differentiation or proper organisation. So I also definitely agree we should dump the muck and refine the gold! -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 02:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Bonzer! Death to graffiti artists! We have been something of a dumping ground for any crackpot opinion since the consensus of ten years ago that "my uninformed and illogical opinion is as good as yours". My ideal would be no annotations in factual pages, but if we can edit them and cull the worst it's a useful compromise. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I'm 100% on board with "edit them and cull the worst". Here we *go*. (And good luck to your respective foot-the-ball teams today and tomorrow!)[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 18:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
No such luck. Moishe/Osiris 5, Guybrush 6, Old Dickens X. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
:After watching the first games, I would've wagered on Old Dickens over any of the rest of us. Your team looked great. Alphonso Davies is a beast.<br />
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:Now, in the 2023 Women's world cup, USA/Canada/Australia sound like three favorites. DYK I have a Haley Raso jersey?[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 21:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==...and then==<br />
Here's a challenge for the new consensus on annotations. See [[Moules]]. Here is a looong annotation based only on a similar made-up word, but it's amusing. There's nothing wrong with it in itself and I'd say it was positive contribution, but it does over-balance the main article. Opinions?<br />
:I mean, I'm happy to move this to the talk page. It's certainly interesting, and it adds background that I wasn't aware of, since I'm American and younger than TP. Yet, I agree this is more an interesting side note rather than an annotation. Are others okay if I move it to talk? [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
That could be done...I asked because I was torn myself. I have been more interested in getting the utter nonsense out than the merely peripheral. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:31, 2 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, I agree - we don't need to be ruthless! I'd probably edit something like that shorter if possible, or perhaps in this case add a bit more detail to the main article, but we don't need to remove something interesting as long as its clear and doesn't detract from the utility of the article. Having it in a separate section helps there, too. I don't know if moving it to the talk page is best, though - a lot of users will never think to look there. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 09:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Repeated annotations ==<br />
One benefit to having annotations in articles about things and people is that when they crop up in multiple books we can easily do a "see [[Piecemaker]]" (for example); as it is now, many annotation pages include annotations for things already annotated elsewhere, and not always in agreement. (The {{T!}} annotation for the piecemaker said it was a reference to a bomber plane, with the gun mentioned as a "maybe".) I'd be keen to replace a lot of those with a wiki-link, or at least to edit down to a short version with a link to the detail. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 09:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
:No argument from me. I've seen a few that are about the same concept, but phrased completely differently on the book's annotation page and on the page for the concept itself. Not the end of the world, of course, but where you see these, I'd say, change it - I'll do the same![[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 01:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Re-hash==<br />
''Recalled from the archives:''<BR><br />
I'd suggest that for an annotation to count as such, it has to satisfy several criteria:<br />
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i) The argument is as watertight, logical and succinct as possible;<br />
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ii)The mistake is avoided of attributing specific status to a generic observation. To explain, the anthropomorphic personification of Death is a universal concept which has been around, in the "modern" form of scythe-carrying animated skeleton, since mediaeval times. A lot of people have used this image - Pratchett is only a contemporary user, and not the latest. There is a discussion on the "Reverse Annotations" talk page as to why the makers of the animation Family Guy may' have been influenced by the Discworld in their interpretation of the Death character, and why the makers of The Simpsons almost certainly haven't. In principle, just because other people use the Death icon does not imply they've borrowed it from Terry - as he himself said we're all fishing from the same stream.<br />
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iii) The onus is always on the Annotator to explain exactly why they think their insight qualifies as an Annotation. As the maths exam says - explain your workings.<br />
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iv) An Annotation you have to explain with a convoluted thousand-word essay almost certainly isn't. In this case it's likely to be the author's own wishful thinking. the best and most certain ones are short, pithy and tie exactly between the Annotation and the idea or concept it showcases.<br />
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v) The more points of association you see between the text and an external idea or quality, the more likely it is to be an Annotation. For instance, the shout-outs to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice to be seen in the pages of Snuff. Everything fits; nothing is problematic or wishful thinking. Conversely, just because two words used in a character name or description also appear in a Beatles song title, it doesn't necessarily mean this is intentional. Lucy Tockley was not in the habit of spacing herself out on hard drugs, for instance, and almost nothing in the song lyrics is reflected in the events of Lords and Ladies. The association is tempting, but ultimately only superficial. Soul Music aside, look more deeply into the lyrics of songs, not just the titles, to check as certainly as you can as to whether TP is really referencing them. Avoid superficiality.<br />
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vi) It helps to know a little about Terry: for instance, his favourite novelists: it isn't then a long jump from George Wambaugh (police procedurals and cops-as-buddies novels) to the City Watch. Nor from George McDonald-Fraser (war stories involving unruly Scottish soldiers) to the NacMacFeegle. We also know his favourite rock/pop/folk music includes They Might Be Giants, the Blue Öyster Cult and Steeleye Span, all bands referenced freely in the books to date. He is also fond of bad puns and absurd humour.<br />
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vii) Terry has a serious side. His thoughts on assisted death - and the dignity of life - are well known. Sometimes an annotation might be there to point the thoughtful in a given direction. He's good at multi-level puns, that is, condensing the maximum of information into the least possible words. Look out for this too, but this is necessary more speculative. For instance, a very minor character yet to get even a speaking part - although the context suggests with a very marked and unique accent - is Miss Smith-Rhodes, teacher at the Assassins' School. In one name, Terry has condensed a hundred years of political history in Southern Africa, and this screams out that this name did not happen by accident: Cecil Rhodes created a country called Rhodesia. Ian Smith was its last white ruler, in the tradition of Rhodes, fighting a bitter civil war before having to concede defeat and hand it over to black majority rule and Robert Mugabe's tender care. These two names condense the rise and fall of white empire in Africa into two words - very economical shorthand. Maybe he has a sketched-out plot for a lost colony in Howondaland? And in the context of academia, a Rhodes Scholar is a gifted student from the white British Empire who gets to study for free, and with a grant, at Oxford or Cambridge.... for this number of referents to come together in a single character strongly suggests something is going on here. These things are certainly worth noting.<br />
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--AgProv 03:42, 28 November 2011 (CET)<br />
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:Oh, ay. Should be printed on the Main Page, but, the Devil being in the details, how to enforce it? AgProv has contributed lots of useful and entertaining annotations, generally admitting it, at least, if they become imaginative. We might even be able to agree on what's "watertight and logical", but others won't. I spent last year campaigning against vacuous annotations and graffiti in general but the consensus seemed to be that anyone had the right to free expression here, short of spam. (Meanwhile, why is this meta discussion in Lucy Tockley's page? I'm moving a copy over to the Mended Drum.) --Old Dickens 00:44, 29 November 2011 (CET)<br />
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Some guidelines for annotators?<br />
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Useful annotations:<BR><br />
Explaining the more obscure bits of British institutions, geography, pop culture, etc. to the rest of us. British movies, rock and roll and some tv shows will be known internationally: not so much comic strips, radio personalities, the Football League and cricket or the British Post Office. This may occasionally work in reverse for Fourecksian or Genuan trivia, Seattle or the environs of Power Cable, Neb. (See SiD's note on Integrated Mail Processors (Going Postal/Annotations). That's interesting (and still in the Annotations page).<br />
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Explaining details that might not be known outside your area of special interest (except by a researcher of TP's experience). Math and physics to the journalists, say, or German philosophers to the more technical.<br />
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Useless annotations:<br />
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The Bleeding Obvious. Please, you can't read Pratchett if you're thicker than a Troll sandwich.<BR><br />
Explaining the Jokes, unless there's a real chance they depend on a useful annotation above.(Even then, a joke explained tends to be a joke spoiled.)<BR><br />
What You Think The Author Was Thinking. If you were as smart as he is you wouldn't be working for free here, would you?<br />
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Opinions? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 06:26, 25 January 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree with nearly all of this, though the bit about “useless annotations” needs to take into account that Pratchett’s readers in 2023 don’t have the same cultural context as those at the time of publication. What was "bleeding obvious" in 1983, 1996 or even 2015 may not be so for new readers now - and indeed, wasn’t for all readers then! We don’t know who is reading an annotation, beyond that they are interested in Pratchett’s work. So I think annotations should be written in plain language and explain themselves clearly, with a minimum of assumptions. They should convey everything you need to understand the basic reference, then link to sources that explain further so they don’t get too long. (e.g. it’s enough to explain that the band We’re Certainly Dwarfs is a reference to one of Pratchett’s favourite “nerd rock” bands, [[wikipedia:They Might Be Giants|They Might Be Giants]]; see also [[Foul Ole Ron]] and the origins of “Bugrit millennium hand and shrimp”.) So I guess I’d add “Annotations should be complete.” <br />
:I also think some jokes might need explaining now, if the cultural references they rely on are now more obscure than at the time of writing. And I say this as a sometimes professional comedian and comedy writer who hates doing that!<br />
:I’d prefer we didn't use language describing folks as stupid for not getting things. Pratchett has a broad appeal, and he read and researched widely; ''no-one'' gets every joke and reference.<br />
:Finally, when it comes to reverse annotations, I think they ought to have a much higher bar to clear: unless they’re unambiguous or there’s clear evidence, we have no idea if other creators have even read Pratchett, let alone are really referencing his work. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)<br />
As a North American, I didn't get all the jokes in many of my first Pratchett books either, but the bleeding obvious needs moderation before the article/annotation becomes condescending. I'd admit that there needs to be consideration of the generation gap. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==That was interesting==<br />
Hey, we've moved behind the scenes again. Sorry for the downtime. My home internet company decided to remove my static IP so back to the cloud we go. It was a pain to get working again. Let me know if you find anything broken. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 03:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Bugger. Are they worse than my IP? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:58, 29 August 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==AI content and fan project promotion==<br />
So we have a new contributor (hello [[User:DugBride|DugBride]] if you’re reading this) who is adding AI-generated images to pages without images, and attributing them to their fan project, [https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3162903/oath-stories-discworld/page/1 a Discworld “re-skin” of the board game ''Oath'']. Which means the time has come for us to have a policy about AI-generated content. As a writer, actor, teacher, podcaster and more, every facet of my life is currently being made worse or at best more complicated by diffusion model images and large language model text, so I’m not a fan. But I recognise that’s not necessarily a majority opinion. So: what do we think? I don’t think we want AI text here at all, and at a bare minimum I want art to be clearly attributed to the model that created it. I would prefer hand-drawn fan art for character and item art, and I confess I am not a fan of some of the images uploaded so far, but again I recognise that’s a preference. But I am also not in favour of the wiki being filled up with images that promote a fan project, even if it is one I’m interested in. (This is why I have limited mention of my own podcast here, and started my own wiki for the detail I wanted to share.) What do you folks think? -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 22:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not a fan either, of course, and I would certainly ban AI-generated text, except how would you recognise it? Images are more difficult. What if the image were created in an old-fashioned (two years ago?) drawing program? What about photographs? I expect you know a lot more about the process than I; what if the AI is just used to smooth out an original drawing or color it, or...? Enforcement seems to be the hardest part. Other ideas, anyone? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
I’m not proposing we get too draconian about it, but having an official policy (or as close to official as we get) is enough to get us started. If folks want to ignore the rules and do it anyway, we can address that if necessary. I would just like us to be clear about whether we want images created by a diffusion model - which is to say, a generative AI like MidJourney or Dall-E which takes a text prompt and then creates an image based on analysis of training images (many used without permission) and associated descriptions. If someone makes art themselves and includes some kind of computer assistance in their process, I am not that fussed, just as I don’t mind if someone has a chat with ChatGPT to get inspiration for the fanfic they then go on to write. But the kind of thing created just by prompting an algorithm seems rather against the fandom spirit of L-Space, to me; fandom involves community, and that means if you need art for a project, you talk to other fans and find fan artists who are willing to help. An example policy might be something like: “This wiki does not permit the use of content created wholly or primarily by generative AI systems, including large language and diffusion models for text or art. All text added should be the work of the contributor; any art uploaded should be done so only with permission, and attributed to the creator.” -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 08:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::Hi there thanks for the welcome and open discussion I was aware both issues you have raised were contentious which is why I messaged [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] direct before touching a page to get the go ahead to open this can of worms. I don't know how the back end of these things work so had to feel my way and have learned a fair bit in the past couple of days. Including where you talk about these things.<br> Here is where I am at...I would say if you don't like AI content then don't allow any AI content, if it is uploaded but then attributed to the model then I think you would be promoting it and will get a lot more. It has been surprisingly easy for me as a first time user to access and upload images seemingly without any gatekeeping, I am sure you already have safeguards against this but you may want to relook at those if you are hoping people will act in good faith. As for the project promotion, I agree it's a bit too much and if it's OK I will remove all references just leave the link in in my profile. Following the example set by [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]. I will of course not add any more pics but, it might be best if the current images stay while you make your decision, a picture tells a 1000 words even if those words are “we don't want these pictures” if then they are removed you may have to do it because although I can remove the page code, I have no idea how to delete uploaded files. Ironically I have been using both this reference and [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]’s podcast regularly without knowing they are connected for the last few months to get up to speed on Discworld, it took me all my life to read most of the books and so I have had to take shortcuts to work on the project references. I have a lot of respect for both sources and wouldn't want to cause any trouble. <br> If the images are unwelcome then I doubt I will have much to add as a contributor, there are a few unanswered questions when doing my research that I might be able to offer something on; Holy horns gesture? Guild Weathervanes? But you seem to have a lot covered and I have my own shed to be working in, maybe further down the road if you need some help administrating incoming imagery then I can help, although my field is Digital Imagery I am no artist and no expert in spotting deep fakes either. Finally I am thrilled you have both looked at my work in progress even if your not fans, I appreciate discerning feedback but happy to keep in my shed for now where I can choose how long Carrot has grown his hair. [[User:DugBride|DugBride]] 11:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
Hey DugBride - I might not be a fan of the art, or even ''Oath'', but your project is pretty amazing! And we do have a [[Fandom]] page where you could list it, at the very least. I want to thank you for engaging in this discussion in generous good faith, too. I’m not interested in having to police images really, but I think if we have a policy and find the right place to get it in front of users then that should be enough - I’m not expecting a torrent of diffusion model generated Discworld characters any time soon! — [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 20:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I'd go along with Guybrush's policy statement, above, now, where does it go? I wouldn't like a big banner of "don'ts" on the front page, but if it's in "About", or Help:Editing nobody will read it. Help:Editing is already noted at the top of every editing page, so I guess we could say ignorance of the law is no excuse. I have to defer to Guybrush on interpretation of what's too much AI; I don't suppose it's possible to credit the source in an AI image when there might be dozens. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I think on image upload I had to tick a box marked "this is my own work" If it had said this is my own work and not AI generated I would have halted at that point. Apologies for the multi edits; still learning. --[[User:DugBride|DugBride]] ([[User talk:DugBride|talk]]) 12:33, 11 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
This is a pretty good idea. What if we create a policies page (it could also include guidelines on annotations etc) and then link to that from the upload page? We can probably change the language on the upload page itself, too. And to be honest ownership is part of the problem; at the moment the ownership of generated images is murky at best, and it’s certainly unclear who owns copyright. So that does seem like the right place to put it. — [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 20:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
On the subject of “how much AI is too much AI” I don’t think that’s a big problem; right now the thing we don’t want are wholly generated images - things created by diffusion models and similar tools, stuff like MidJourney or Dall-E, which create an image for you based on a text prompt. We don’t need to worry about folks using “AI” tools when making digital fan art (anything vaguely automated is being misleadingly lLabelled “AI” At the moment, even when many of those technologies already existed under other more sensible names). Perhaps we just need a clarifying clause on the “your own artwork” covering that it has to be yours, used with permission, allowed by copyright law and attributable to a person. I think it will also help to include in our art policy that as a fan project we want to showcase fan artists; you are welcome to use whatever you like to make art for yourself or or your own projects, but here we want to showcase human-drawn (etc) fan art. And as a longer term solution, perhaps I can do some call-outs in other fan spaces asking if folks have character and location fan art they’d be happy for us to use on the wiki for articles which lack images? — [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I second all that, except that the '''Upload file''' page is for images and doesn't relate to annotations; also it's a "special page" and Osiris would have to modify it. '''Help:editing''' is already linked from editing pages. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)<BR><br />
:[[User:DugBride|DugBride]] has removed his contributions. I'm of two minds on this; I have despised computer-generated pop music for many years now and I would prefer hand-made art or clever photographs, ''but'' we've begged for illustration for years and some of what we have isn't very good. I wish we could have more as useful as PetuliaGristle.jpg for example. Are these opposite and irreconcilable viewpoints? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:17, 16 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:: Missed one, just removed Detritus from the page this morning, like I said I can't do much about the images I uploaded as it won't let me delete the copy on the server. I sympathise with your issue, there are significant characters and locations without graphical representation. The AI works for me as I have to produce 250 images for a very small audience on zero budget, and I am more keen on design and mechanics than artistry. I don't think its as vital a part of your offering. Its possible that in the new year I will take [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]'s advise and reach out to some of the fan-artists to see if they want to help my project but only when I have something significant to demonstrate. I'll be happy to mention the gaps here that need filling, but it sounds like you have already been down that road. --[[User:DugBride|DugBride]] ([[User talk:DugBride|talk]]) 12:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Hi, all, sorry I'm late to the discussion... boarding school at Hogswatch is a time sink. Anyway, y'all have said pretty much everything I would have, so all I'll do here is lend one more voice in support of Guybrush's suggestion, ''This wiki does not permit the use of content created wholly or primarily by generative AI systems, including large language and diffusion models for text or art. All text added should be the work of the contributor; any art uploaded should be done so only with permission, and attributed to the creator.'' I don't think we need to do much more in terms of advertising or enforcement, as long as we have something like this clearly stated somewhere. People don't necessarily read rules before editing. If we find someone using ChatGPT to make articles, we politely ask them to stop, and can point them to the statement if they wonder whether the polite ask has community consensus behind it. [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 01:01, 21 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Have you watched ''The Holdovers''? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I haven't, but I just read about the movie... boarding schools are (for the most part) very, very different places in 2023 than they were in 1970. Yet, the popular perception of class privilege and influence lives on in the zeitgeist. My school doesn't allow students to remain on campus over Christmas break. The ones for whom getting home would be prohibitive - usually just a few folks from overseas - generally stay with friends. We have a faculty member who helps coordinate such stays if students need help. My family hosted several of my son's friends, who were from China and Vietnam, on occasion.<br />
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::Okay, in spring 2020 most of our international students remained on campus, and I was one of many faculty who volunteered to chaperone / entertain them. That's a very different story, with very different cultural context, to what I read about The Holdovers. <smile><br />
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==Atom==<br />
Clicking '''Atom''' in the sidebar bar produces the message: "This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.", followed by pages of XML gibberish. Not widely useful. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 03:34, 26 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:The Atom link is only visible in Recent Changes, your Watchlist or the history of a specific page, and generates an RSS feed (in [[wikipedia:Atom (web standard)|Atom format]]) from entries in that list using XML which is (hypothetically) useful for other apps or websites to read. The main use case I’ve seen for that recently is a Discord bot which posts recent changes to a specific text channel, but generally speaking RSS has fallen from favour for most uses except podcasting. The Atom feed option is built in to MediaWiki so we can’t remove it by [[mediawiki:Sidebar|editing the sidebar menu]], but probably there’s an option to disable it in the config file if we really want to. (FYI I don’t get the error you mentioned, though I did get a different one trying to view the feed for my Watchlist that suggests we might have an out of date extension somewhere?) — [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 12:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Discworld_%26_Pratchett_Wiki:Mended_Drum&diff=35150Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum2023-12-26T12:29:52Z<p>Guybrush: /* Atom */ Explainer</p>
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==Well, that hurts==<br />
Changing the backend of architecture had a hiccup and I had to restore from my previous backup. We've all new changes since the 23rd :( --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Back up again faster than expected; now about the previous problem... Is there yet hope of recovering the Discworld & Terry Pratchett namespace (or the missing images)? I have the Mended Drum archives, but I don't know what's to be done with the rest of the missing pieces. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I restored the Mended Drum archives. What other pages are you looking for? --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:The portals on the Main Page, mainly (the About page doesn't even have the link now); there may be more I haven't seen yet. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 19:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
::I think everything is back. At least all of the ones I can find in the database are restored. Can you give me an example page with a missing image? I'll tackle those next. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 21:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
:Yay! (I wonder how you did that.) Missing image in [[Chidder]], e,g. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 22:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC) The File List suggests that all images between Aug, 2006 and the Long Drive may be missing. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]])<br />
::Sent you an email --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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==New staff==<br />
After a long period of inadequate supervision, the wiki is pleased to announce the appointment of new administrators:<BR><br />
[[User:Jagra|Jagra]] as Head Librarian and<BR><br />
[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Rabbi Moishe Rosenbaum]] as Spiritual Adviser . [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<BR><br />
And belatedly, having opened his email:<BR><br />
[[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] representing the underside of the Disc.<br />
:Much appreciated! I'll huddle up with [[Mightily Oats|Pastor Oats]]. Thanks, Old Dickens and Osiris! [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 01:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks very much; and a position that no ones going to try to assassinate me over. Ook. [[User:Jagra|Jagra]] ([[User talk:Jagra|talk]]) 22:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, you know what they say about "running on Fourecksian time"... Thanks folks. Nice to be on the team. - [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 03:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Discussion of respect for peripheral creations==<br />
(''moved from [[Talk:Jocasta Wiggs]].'')<BR><br />
Gee I hate ''The Watch''! Does it deserve references here beyond its own page acknowledging its existence? It has almost nothing to do with the works of Terry Pratchett. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I mean, it's a related work and people are going to want to know more about it; I don't like the idea of trying to put everything relevant on that one page. And if someone wants to know more about the character in the show, who gets a lot more screen time than the book version, this felt like the right place for a little paragraph. But if the consensus is it's not wanted here, fair enough and I'll stop adding info about it. I'll note it's not universally hated, though, despite its faults. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 03:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
OK, two opinions. Is anyone invoking Terry's name entitled to advertising here? Where's the limit? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::I haven't seen the show, and I don't intend to - not after I saw what the young (my age!) Ms. Pratchett had to say about it on twitter a long while ago. But, that said... it's not a pirated fanfic, it's a legit derivative work that, as Guybrush says, people may come to this site for info about. As long as anything about it is clearly marked as from the show, or "non canonical", or something like that - as long as we're not representing ''The Watch'' as an actual Terry Pratchett creation - I'm okay with it getting coverage. Though my heart agrees with Old Dickens. And someone please correct me if I'm wrong about anything here. [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 05:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Terry's name appears in the titles, Rob is still credited as a producer and the Narrativia logo appears at the end, which for me is qualification enough; and no other adaptation has been different enough to require additional information like this (except maybe the TV version of {{GO}}). But it's true that the important difference between {{TW}} and other adaptations is that the official Pratchett team are clearly unhappy with the result, and that they didn't have the equivalent of the veto power Terry had on all projects while he was alive. I also understand why people don't like it, even if I did (if with plenty of reservations). I want to document it somewhere - not least for fans who want to know more about it without watching it - but to avoid contention, perhaps we should just confine it to the specific article. I can find somewhere else for the greater detail. (As it happens, [https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com I have a whole separate wiki I've been working on], on which I've already set up interwiki to L-Space.) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 12:11, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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You may be right. I started here arguing against content restrictions since we don't take up any weight or shelf space.<BR><br />
What, then, might be reasonable limits to inclusion or linking in the wiki? So far, I and contemporaries have treated spam pretty ruthlessly because it was obvious. What credit do we give a book/story/movie/tvseries/game/... that has only a nominal connection to Terry Pratchett? We already treat [[Discworld Noir]] as if it were canon, so it's muddy. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:This discussion is getting big enough that we should shift it to the Drum, since it's no longer just about {{TW}}, but what our policy is on inclusion of stuff in general. My two cents though is that anything officially licensed should definitely be included, and that unambiguously includes both {{TW}} and ''[[Discworld Noir]]'', even though neither was written by Terry himself. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 00:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
I think the difference is that Discworld Noir does not get equal billing in an article if it uses a canonical name. What do we do with fanfic versions and creations? I still prefer separation of peripherals. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
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We used to have a page for administrative discussion, but Osiris never liked the idea. -- [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Down time==<br />
And...we're back. They blowed that cable up real good. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 16:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Railroad company doing maintenance didn't check for existing lines and dragged it's feet taking responsibility and allowing access for repairs. 1100 Tuesday to 0200 Friday complete outage. Then I had to update the DNS back to normal and wait for propagation. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 16:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::Woo-hoo! Thanks, Osiris. For all I understand about such things, you might as well have said "a witch flew into a tower." Glad we are up and running again! :-) [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 18:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Yeah, he often talks IT to me. I just smile and nod. He's a sort of Ponder Stibbons among us old-fashioned wizards. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::As someone who did understand all of those words...thanks for getting it sorted, Osiris! ;) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Those missing facilities==<br />
Is the loss of hit counters, PopularPages and such interesting utilities due to practical or philosophical reasons? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==CQ Vade Mecum==<br />
French site ''Vade Mecum'' has been hijacked and the link leads to a load of malevolent crap.<br />
Their Facebook page remains and doesn't mention the problem. It wants someone with better<br />
French than mine to ask them. -- [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 03:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Page count==<br />
Trying to do a count of total pages (the page counter having been broken for some years), I find that Special:AllPages reports:<BR><br />
"A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." <BR>It gives the error code <br />
[71b51ca94cd2a7996b274243] 2022-05-12 04:37:07: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Rejects==<br />
I'm glad "TilanissaWildhawk" and "Argent Stallion" are just spammers. They sound problematic as real contributors. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 15:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Test==<br />
Editing appears to work.<br />
: Does editing still work?<br />
I dunno; ISP has been down all day all over the country. (Seems to work [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC))<br />
:This is me. Testing editing after applying the upgrade... --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 19:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Server Move==<br />
Editing may be a bit slow for a while. I had to move to a slower system to perform some maintenance on the old server. I'll move it back as soon as i can. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 20:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Moved DB to Amazon RDS so we'll see how fast it goes. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 20:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Not that fast at the moment. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Everything okay?==<br />
Site's been offline for a day or two, by my reckoning; just moving back to the old server, or something else? (PS - I've been bit quiet, but I'm still around!) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC) <br />
:Back for a while, but not on the real server, apparently; still at dial-up speed. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 16:04, 30 July 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Back on dedicated hardware. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 22:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)<br />
[[Category:Wiki Data|Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum]]<br />
:Back at warp speed already! Nice work, Scotty! [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 14:56, 3 August 2022 (UTC)<br />
:'''Special pages''' is not back, however. [7f0d5fb90f244811375db569] 2022-08-03 20:03:27: Fatal exception of type "TypeError" [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 20:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I complained before about the loss of some features of Special Pages, but I wonder if we can get along without the whole set. Are they coming back?<BR><br />
:(I can search out individual pages if I can remember the Speling, and Categories are available from the Main page, but the list was more convenient. If the list must go the link should be removed from the sidebar.) [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:35, 21 August 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Annotations (again)==<br />
Soliciting opinions of administrators and all users on the admissibility and editing of annotations; does the old consensus hold? Does anyone's opinion qualify as an Annotation? See [[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum#Annotations]]. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I think some editorial control would be appropriate, at least in the form of some basic standards. We're the successor of the APF, and that was compiled intentionally, rather than including every comment made by fans on the group. I agree with Moishe that "this reminds me of this other thing" isn't sufficient. As a baseline, specific similarities should be cited, and where possible evidence for a link. If there is none, then that should be clear by using language like "might be a reference to" - there are some long bow comments in some annotations which are written as if they are fact. And I am also okay with old annotations being edited where appropriate, too. Part of agreeing to contribute to a wiki is understanding what you write is not permanent and may be changed by others over time. Disagreements can be hashed out on Discussion pages if need be. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 11:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Well said, Guybrush. Successor to the APF - large boots to fill! You're right that we need to aspire to that level, even if we don't reach it all the time.[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 00:39, 20 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
With all due respect to Leo and Mike, I had hoped for more than a collection of annotations. If, on the other hand, we were going to be a continuation of the APF, annotations would need to be filed in the annotation pages with original edition page numbers. Nobody does that. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)<BR>Moishe said: "Yet I kinda think that on a wiki, we have to put up with some of the less-specific annotations in order to get the awesome ones, the same way panning for gold requires one's hands to get quite mucky before the good stuff filters out." I guess that depends on your idea of less-specific but I'd prefer we tried to refine the gold and dump the muck. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Well, I do put annotations in that way - and I'm willing to go through and move them to separate pages, with page numbers, for the books at least. (Page numbers don't have to be from the original editions (the later paperbacks are far more common these days, after all), as long as the edition is noted.) For other kinds of articles, a separate annotations section at the bottom is fine, but should be cleaned up wherever possible. We aren't just annotations, of course - I also think our role is to be a source of "who is that again?" kind of information that the Discworld Companions are actually really bad for, as they are all jokes and no actual context - but we're also not the only Discworld-themed wiki. I'm keen for us to differentiate ourselves and not end up a dumping ground for everything like some of them are; the Fandom one, for example, has huge slabs of the APF next to stuff from this wiki and other stuff that's just nonsense, with no differentiation or proper organisation. So I also definitely agree we should dump the muck and refine the gold! -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 02:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Bonzer! Death to graffiti artists! We have been something of a dumping ground for any crackpot opinion since the consensus of ten years ago that "my uninformed and illogical opinion is as good as yours". My ideal would be no annotations in factual pages, but if we can edit them and cull the worst it's a useful compromise. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I'm 100% on board with "edit them and cull the worst". Here we *go*. (And good luck to your respective foot-the-ball teams today and tomorrow!)[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 18:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
No such luck. Moishe/Osiris 5, Guybrush 6, Old Dickens X. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
:After watching the first games, I would've wagered on Old Dickens over any of the rest of us. Your team looked great. Alphonso Davies is a beast.<br />
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:Now, in the 2023 Women's world cup, USA/Canada/Australia sound like three favorites. DYK I have a Haley Raso jersey?[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 21:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==...and then==<br />
Here's a challenge for the new consensus on annotations. See [[Moules]]. Here is a looong annotation based only on a similar made-up word, but it's amusing. There's nothing wrong with it in itself and I'd say it was positive contribution, but it does over-balance the main article. Opinions?<br />
:I mean, I'm happy to move this to the talk page. It's certainly interesting, and it adds background that I wasn't aware of, since I'm American and younger than TP. Yet, I agree this is more an interesting side note rather than an annotation. Are others okay if I move it to talk? [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
That could be done...I asked because I was torn myself. I have been more interested in getting the utter nonsense out than the merely peripheral. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:31, 2 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, I agree - we don't need to be ruthless! I'd probably edit something like that shorter if possible, or perhaps in this case add a bit more detail to the main article, but we don't need to remove something interesting as long as its clear and doesn't detract from the utility of the article. Having it in a separate section helps there, too. I don't know if moving it to the talk page is best, though - a lot of users will never think to look there. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 09:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
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== Repeated annotations ==<br />
One benefit to having annotations in articles about things and people is that when they crop up in multiple books we can easily do a "see [[Piecemaker]]" (for example); as it is now, many annotation pages include annotations for things already annotated elsewhere, and not always in agreement. (The {{T!}} annotation for the piecemaker said it was a reference to a bomber plane, with the gun mentioned as a "maybe".) I'd be keen to replace a lot of those with a wiki-link, or at least to edit down to a short version with a link to the detail. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 09:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
:No argument from me. I've seen a few that are about the same concept, but phrased completely differently on the book's annotation page and on the page for the concept itself. Not the end of the world, of course, but where you see these, I'd say, change it - I'll do the same![[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 01:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)<br />
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I'd suggest that for an annotation to count as such, it has to satisfy several criteria:<br />
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i) The argument is as watertight, logical and succinct as possible;<br />
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ii)The mistake is avoided of attributing specific status to a generic observation. To explain, the anthropomorphic personification of Death is a universal concept which has been around, in the "modern" form of scythe-carrying animated skeleton, since mediaeval times. A lot of people have used this image - Pratchett is only a contemporary user, and not the latest. There is a discussion on the "Reverse Annotations" talk page as to why the makers of the animation Family Guy may' have been influenced by the Discworld in their interpretation of the Death character, and why the makers of The Simpsons almost certainly haven't. In principle, just because other people use the Death icon does not imply they've borrowed it from Terry - as he himself said we're all fishing from the same stream.<br />
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iii) The onus is always on the Annotator to explain exactly why they think their insight qualifies as an Annotation. As the maths exam says - explain your workings.<br />
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iv) An Annotation you have to explain with a convoluted thousand-word essay almost certainly isn't. In this case it's likely to be the author's own wishful thinking. the best and most certain ones are short, pithy and tie exactly between the Annotation and the idea or concept it showcases.<br />
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v) The more points of association you see between the text and an external idea or quality, the more likely it is to be an Annotation. For instance, the shout-outs to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice to be seen in the pages of Snuff. Everything fits; nothing is problematic or wishful thinking. Conversely, just because two words used in a character name or description also appear in a Beatles song title, it doesn't necessarily mean this is intentional. Lucy Tockley was not in the habit of spacing herself out on hard drugs, for instance, and almost nothing in the song lyrics is reflected in the events of Lords and Ladies. The association is tempting, but ultimately only superficial. Soul Music aside, look more deeply into the lyrics of songs, not just the titles, to check as certainly as you can as to whether TP is really referencing them. Avoid superficiality.<br />
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vi) It helps to know a little about Terry: for instance, his favourite novelists: it isn't then a long jump from George Wambaugh (police procedurals and cops-as-buddies novels) to the City Watch. Nor from George McDonald-Fraser (war stories involving unruly Scottish soldiers) to the NacMacFeegle. We also know his favourite rock/pop/folk music includes They Might Be Giants, the Blue Öyster Cult and Steeleye Span, all bands referenced freely in the books to date. He is also fond of bad puns and absurd humour.<br />
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vii) Terry has a serious side. His thoughts on assisted death - and the dignity of life - are well known. Sometimes an annotation might be there to point the thoughtful in a given direction. He's good at multi-level puns, that is, condensing the maximum of information into the least possible words. Look out for this too, but this is necessary more speculative. For instance, a very minor character yet to get even a speaking part - although the context suggests with a very marked and unique accent - is Miss Smith-Rhodes, teacher at the Assassins' School. In one name, Terry has condensed a hundred years of political history in Southern Africa, and this screams out that this name did not happen by accident: Cecil Rhodes created a country called Rhodesia. Ian Smith was its last white ruler, in the tradition of Rhodes, fighting a bitter civil war before having to concede defeat and hand it over to black majority rule and Robert Mugabe's tender care. These two names condense the rise and fall of white empire in Africa into two words - very economical shorthand. Maybe he has a sketched-out plot for a lost colony in Howondaland? And in the context of academia, a Rhodes Scholar is a gifted student from the white British Empire who gets to study for free, and with a grant, at Oxford or Cambridge.... for this number of referents to come together in a single character strongly suggests something is going on here. These things are certainly worth noting.<br />
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:Oh, ay. Should be printed on the Main Page, but, the Devil being in the details, how to enforce it? AgProv has contributed lots of useful and entertaining annotations, generally admitting it, at least, if they become imaginative. We might even be able to agree on what's "watertight and logical", but others won't. I spent last year campaigning against vacuous annotations and graffiti in general but the consensus seemed to be that anyone had the right to free expression here, short of spam. (Meanwhile, why is this meta discussion in Lucy Tockley's page? I'm moving a copy over to the Mended Drum.) --Old Dickens 00:44, 29 November 2011 (CET)<br />
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Some guidelines for annotators?<br />
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Explaining the more obscure bits of British institutions, geography, pop culture, etc. to the rest of us. British movies, rock and roll and some tv shows will be known internationally: not so much comic strips, radio personalities, the Football League and cricket or the British Post Office. This may occasionally work in reverse for Fourecksian or Genuan trivia, Seattle or the environs of Power Cable, Neb. (See SiD's note on Integrated Mail Processors (Going Postal/Annotations). That's interesting (and still in the Annotations page).<br />
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Explaining details that might not be known outside your area of special interest (except by a researcher of TP's experience). Math and physics to the journalists, say, or German philosophers to the more technical.<br />
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The Bleeding Obvious. Please, you can't read Pratchett if you're thicker than a Troll sandwich.<BR><br />
Explaining the Jokes, unless there's a real chance they depend on a useful annotation above.(Even then, a joke explained tends to be a joke spoiled.)<BR><br />
What You Think The Author Was Thinking. If you were as smart as he is you wouldn't be working for free here, would you?<br />
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:I agree with nearly all of this, though the bit about “useless annotations” needs to take into account that Pratchett’s readers in 2023 don’t have the same cultural context as those at the time of publication. What was "bleeding obvious" in 1983, 1996 or even 2015 may not be so for new readers now - and indeed, wasn’t for all readers then! We don’t know who is reading an annotation, beyond that they are interested in Pratchett’s work. So I think annotations should be written in plain language and explain themselves clearly, with a minimum of assumptions. They should convey everything you need to understand the basic reference, then link to sources that explain further so they don’t get too long. (e.g. it’s enough to explain that the band We’re Certainly Dwarfs is a reference to one of Pratchett’s favourite “nerd rock” bands, [[wikipedia:They Might Be Giants|They Might Be Giants]]; see also [[Foul Ole Ron]] and the origins of “Bugrit millennium hand and shrimp”.) So I guess I’d add “Annotations should be complete.” <br />
:I also think some jokes might need explaining now, if the cultural references they rely on are now more obscure than at the time of writing. And I say this as a sometimes professional comedian and comedy writer who hates doing that!<br />
:I’d prefer we didn't use language describing folks as stupid for not getting things. Pratchett has a broad appeal, and he read and researched widely; ''no-one'' gets every joke and reference.<br />
:Finally, when it comes to reverse annotations, I think they ought to have a much higher bar to clear: unless they’re unambiguous or there’s clear evidence, we have no idea if other creators have even read Pratchett, let alone are really referencing his work. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)<br />
As a North American, I didn't get all the jokes in many of my first Pratchett books either, but the bleeding obvious needs moderation before the article/annotation becomes condescending. I'd admit that there needs to be consideration of the generation gap. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==That was interesting==<br />
Hey, we've moved behind the scenes again. Sorry for the downtime. My home internet company decided to remove my static IP so back to the cloud we go. It was a pain to get working again. Let me know if you find anything broken. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 03:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Bugger. Are they worse than my IP? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:58, 29 August 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==AI content and fan project promotion==<br />
So we have a new contributor (hello [[User:DugBride|DugBride]] if you’re reading this) who is adding AI-generated images to pages without images, and attributing them to their fan project, [https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3162903/oath-stories-discworld/page/1 a Discworld “re-skin” of the board game ''Oath'']. Which means the time has come for us to have a policy about AI-generated content. As a writer, actor, teacher, podcaster and more, every facet of my life is currently being made worse or at best more complicated by diffusion model images and large language model text, so I’m not a fan. But I recognise that’s not necessarily a majority opinion. So: what do we think? I don’t think we want AI text here at all, and at a bare minimum I want art to be clearly attributed to the model that created it. I would prefer hand-drawn fan art for character and item art, and I confess I am not a fan of some of the images uploaded so far, but again I recognise that’s a preference. But I am also not in favour of the wiki being filled up with images that promote a fan project, even if it is one I’m interested in. (This is why I have limited mention of my own podcast here, and started my own wiki for the detail I wanted to share.) What do you folks think? -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 22:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not a fan either, of course, and I would certainly ban AI-generated text, except how would you recognise it? Images are more difficult. What if the image were created in an old-fashioned (two years ago?) drawing program? What about photographs? I expect you know a lot more about the process than I; what if the AI is just used to smooth out an original drawing or color it, or...? Enforcement seems to be the hardest part. Other ideas, anyone? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
I’m not proposing we get too draconian about it, but having an official policy (or as close to official as we get) is enough to get us started. If folks want to ignore the rules and do it anyway, we can address that if necessary. I would just like us to be clear about whether we want images created by a diffusion model - which is to say, a generative AI like MidJourney or Dall-E which takes a text prompt and then creates an image based on analysis of training images (many used without permission) and associated descriptions. If someone makes art themselves and includes some kind of computer assistance in their process, I am not that fussed, just as I don’t mind if someone has a chat with ChatGPT to get inspiration for the fanfic they then go on to write. But the kind of thing created just by prompting an algorithm seems rather against the fandom spirit of L-Space, to me; fandom involves community, and that means if you need art for a project, you talk to other fans and find fan artists who are willing to help. An example policy might be something like: “This wiki does not permit the use of content created wholly or primarily by generative AI systems, including large language and diffusion models for text or art. All text added should be the work of the contributor; any art uploaded should be done so only with permission, and attributed to the creator.” -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 08:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::Hi there thanks for the welcome and open discussion I was aware both issues you have raised were contentious which is why I messaged [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] direct before touching a page to get the go ahead to open this can of worms. I don't know how the back end of these things work so had to feel my way and have learned a fair bit in the past couple of days. Including where you talk about these things.<br> Here is where I am at...I would say if you don't like AI content then don't allow any AI content, if it is uploaded but then attributed to the model then I think you would be promoting it and will get a lot more. It has been surprisingly easy for me as a first time user to access and upload images seemingly without any gatekeeping, I am sure you already have safeguards against this but you may want to relook at those if you are hoping people will act in good faith. As for the project promotion, I agree it's a bit too much and if it's OK I will remove all references just leave the link in in my profile. Following the example set by [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]. I will of course not add any more pics but, it might be best if the current images stay while you make your decision, a picture tells a 1000 words even if those words are “we don't want these pictures” if then they are removed you may have to do it because although I can remove the page code, I have no idea how to delete uploaded files. Ironically I have been using both this reference and [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]’s podcast regularly without knowing they are connected for the last few months to get up to speed on Discworld, it took me all my life to read most of the books and so I have had to take shortcuts to work on the project references. I have a lot of respect for both sources and wouldn't want to cause any trouble. <br> If the images are unwelcome then I doubt I will have much to add as a contributor, there are a few unanswered questions when doing my research that I might be able to offer something on; Holy horns gesture? Guild Weathervanes? But you seem to have a lot covered and I have my own shed to be working in, maybe further down the road if you need some help administrating incoming imagery then I can help, although my field is Digital Imagery I am no artist and no expert in spotting deep fakes either. Finally I am thrilled you have both looked at my work in progress even if your not fans, I appreciate discerning feedback but happy to keep in my shed for now where I can choose how long Carrot has grown his hair. [[User:DugBride|DugBride]] 11:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
Hey DugBride - I might not be a fan of the art, or even ''Oath'', but your project is pretty amazing! And we do have a [[Fandom]] page where you could list it, at the very least. I want to thank you for engaging in this discussion in generous good faith, too. I’m not interested in having to police images really, but I think if we have a policy and find the right place to get it in front of users then that should be enough - I’m not expecting a torrent of diffusion model generated Discworld characters any time soon! — [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 20:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I'd go along with Guybrush's policy statement, above, now, where does it go? I wouldn't like a big banner of "don'ts" on the front page, but if it's in "About", or Help:Editing nobody will read it. Help:Editing is already noted at the top of every editing page, so I guess we could say ignorance of the law is no excuse. I have to defer to Guybrush on interpretation of what's too much AI; I don't suppose it's possible to credit the source in an AI image when there might be dozens. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I think on image upload I had to tick a box marked "this is my own work" If it had said this is my own work and not AI generated I would have halted at that point. Apologies for the multi edits; still learning. --[[User:DugBride|DugBride]] ([[User talk:DugBride|talk]]) 12:33, 11 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
This is a pretty good idea. What if we create a policies page (it could also include guidelines on annotations etc) and then link to that from the upload page? We can probably change the language on the upload page itself, too. And to be honest ownership is part of the problem; at the moment the ownership of generated images is murky at best, and it’s certainly unclear who owns copyright. So that does seem like the right place to put it. — [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 20:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
On the subject of “how much AI is too much AI” I don’t think that’s a big problem; right now the thing we don’t want are wholly generated images - things created by diffusion models and similar tools, stuff like MidJourney or Dall-E, which create an image for you based on a text prompt. We don’t need to worry about folks using “AI” tools when making digital fan art (anything vaguely automated is being misleadingly lLabelled “AI” At the moment, even when many of those technologies already existed under other more sensible names). Perhaps we just need a clarifying clause on the “your own artwork” covering that it has to be yours, used with permission, allowed by copyright law and attributable to a person. I think it will also help to include in our art policy that as a fan project we want to showcase fan artists; you are welcome to use whatever you like to make art for yourself or or your own projects, but here we want to showcase human-drawn (etc) fan art. And as a longer term solution, perhaps I can do some call-outs in other fan spaces asking if folks have character and location fan art they’d be happy for us to use on the wiki for articles which lack images? — [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 20:24, 14 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I second all that, except that the '''Upload file''' page is for images and doesn't relate to annotations; also it's a "special page" and Osiris would have to modify it. '''Help:editing''' is already linked from editing pages. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)<BR><br />
:[[User:DugBride|DugBride]] has removed his contributions. I'm of two minds on this; I have despised computer-generated pop music for many years now and I would prefer hand-made art or clever photographs, ''but'' we've begged for illustration for years and some of what we have isn't very good. I wish we could have more as useful as PetuliaGristle.jpg for example. Are these opposite and irreconcilable viewpoints? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:17, 16 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:: Missed one, just removed Detritus from the page this morning, like I said I can't do much about the images I uploaded as it won't let me delete the copy on the server. I sympathise with your issue, there are significant characters and locations without graphical representation. The AI works for me as I have to produce 250 images for a very small audience on zero budget, and I am more keen on design and mechanics than artistry. I don't think its as vital a part of your offering. Its possible that in the new year I will take [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]'s advise and reach out to some of the fan-artists to see if they want to help my project but only when I have something significant to demonstrate. I'll be happy to mention the gaps here that need filling, but it sounds like you have already been down that road. --[[User:DugBride|DugBride]] ([[User talk:DugBride|talk]]) 12:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Hi, all, sorry I'm late to the discussion... boarding school at Hogswatch is a time sink. Anyway, y'all have said pretty much everything I would have, so all I'll do here is lend one more voice in support of Guybrush's suggestion, ''This wiki does not permit the use of content created wholly or primarily by generative AI systems, including large language and diffusion models for text or art. All text added should be the work of the contributor; any art uploaded should be done so only with permission, and attributed to the creator.'' I don't think we need to do much more in terms of advertising or enforcement, as long as we have something like this clearly stated somewhere. People don't necessarily read rules before editing. If we find someone using ChatGPT to make articles, we politely ask them to stop, and can point them to the statement if they wonder whether the polite ask has community consensus behind it. [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 01:01, 21 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Have you watched ''The Holdovers''? [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I haven't, but I just read about the movie... boarding schools are (for the most part) very, very different places in 2023 than they were in 1970. Yet, the popular perception of class privilege and influence lives on in the zeitgeist. My school doesn't allow students to remain on campus over Christmas break. The ones for whom getting home would be prohibitive - usually just a few folks from overseas - generally stay with friends. We have a faculty member who helps coordinate such stays if students need help. My family hosted several of my son's friends, who were from China and Vietnam, on occasion.<br />
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::Okay, in spring 2020 most of our international students remained on campus, and I was one of many faculty who volunteered to chaperone / entertain them. That's a very different story, with very different cultural context, to what I read about The Holdovers. <smile><br />
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Clicking '''Atom''' in the sidebar bar produces the message: "This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.", followed by pages of XML gibberish. Not widely useful. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 03:34, 26 December 2023 (UTC)<br />
:The Atom link is only visible in Recent Changes, your Watchlist or the history of a specific page, and generates an RSS feed (in [[wikipedia:Atom (web standard)|Atom format]]) from entries in that list using XML which is (hypothetically) useful for other apps or websites to read. The main use case I’ve seen for that recently is a Discord bot which posts recent changes to a specific text channel, but generally speaking RSS has fallen from favour for most uses except podcasting. The Atom feed option is built in to MediaWiki so we can’t remove it by [[mediawiki:Sidebar|editing the sidebar menu]], but probably there’s an option to disable it in the confit file if we really want to. (FYI I don’t get the error you mentioned, though I did get a different one trying to view the feed for my Watchlist that suggests we might have an out of date extension somewhere?) — [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 12:29, 26 December 2023 (UTC)</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=35148Main Page2023-12-26T00:34:01Z<p>Guybrush: Fixed typo, added Rhianna and Gabrielle talk too, why not</p>
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;Wednesday, August 30th, 2017: In accordance with his final wishes Sir Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels are destroyed using a steamroller. [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/30/terry-pratchett-unfinished-novels-destroyed-streamroller News Article]<br />
<br />
;Saturday, February 11th, 2017: The BBC broadcasts the biographical documentary ''[[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett: Back in Black|Terry Pratchett: Back in Black]]''. (Non-UK viewers may be able to watch it '''''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxpdh-vKTz4 here]]''''')<br />
<br />
;Thursday, August 27th, 2015: Publication of the final Discworld novel, {{TSC}}.<br />
<br />
;Thursday, March 12th, 2015: Sir Terry Pratchett died at home in Wiltshire following a long battle with Alzheimer's. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156 BBC report, 3:26pm GMT]<br />
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===Latest and Upcoming Publications by or about Terry Pratchett===<br />
;29 February 2024: Publication of new paperback edition of {{TLH}} from Gollancz, matching the [[50 Years of Terry]] Penguin editions.<br />
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;7 December 2023: Publication of new paperback editions of {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}, the final books released as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
;9 November 2023: Publication of {{TAG}} by [[Rhianna Pratchett]] and [[Gabrielle Kent]], illustrated by [[Paul Kidby]], celebrating the 20th anniversary of [[Tiffany Aching]].<br />
<br />
;5 October 2023: Publication of {{SP}}, a collection of previously uncollected “lost” early stories written by Pratchett for newspapers under pseudonyms.<br />
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;28 July 2023: Season two of {{GOTV}} premieres on Amazon Prime Video.<br />
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;15 June 2023: Publication of new audiobook editions of {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
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;25 May 2023: Publication of new audiobook and paperback editions of {{G!G!}}, {{MAA}}, {{FOC}}, {{J}}, {{TFE}}, {{NW}}, {{T!}} and {{SN}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
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;18 May 2023: Publication of new audiobook and paperback edition of {{MP}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
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* ...the motto carved above the doors of [[Unseen University]] means ''Now you see it, now you don't''?<br />
* ...there are only six references to Harry Potter on this entire Wiki?<br />
* ...[[Sto Lat]] is a [[wikipedia:Sto Lat|Polish song]], the expression meaning "may you live a hundred years"?<br />
* ...someone has actually made a [http://freespace.virgin.net/tony.fisk2/janescakes/discworld/discworld.htm Discworld cake]?<br />
* ...the article [[Multiple exclamation marks]] has attracted more than 50,000 views?!!! And that was on the ''old'' Wiki: even allowing for the shiny new-ness of this new home, "M.E.M." has attracted over 36,000 viewings while many popular characters and books haven't reached 10,000. What ''is'' it about this page? <br />
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===Recent news about Terry===<br />
;Thursday, December 14th, 2023: After [https://x.com/goodomensprime/status/1735298598894436405?s=46&t=qZWvb2BDsjbvYIoWy2hk3w Amazon released a ''Good Omens'' song list containing a clue], Good Omens HQ officially announce that a third and final season of {{GOTV}} has been confirmed. ([https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/good-omens-season-3-renewed-final-season-amazon-1235837682/ ''Variety''])<br />
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;Thursday, December 14th, 2023: The Pratchett Estate [https://x.com/pratchettonline/status/1735268536346407220?s=46&t=qZWvb2BDsjbvYIoWy2hk3w announce via a cover reveal] that a new edition of {{TLH}} with a cover design by Leo Nicholls matching the [[50 Years of Terry]] Penguin editions will be published on 29th February 2024, completing the set of Discworld novels in this edition. This edition will also have a “new text design”, suggesting the book will have new layout and typesetting - previously too expensive an endeavour given the way the original was created. ([https://www.gollancz.co.uk/titles/terry-pratchett/the-last-hero/9781399611206/ Gollancz website])<br />
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;Friday, November 24th, 2023: On social media (including [https://x.com/PratchettOnline/status/1727976194354651253?s=20 Twitter (X)]), the Pratchett Estate marks the fortieth anniversary of {{COM}} and teased the start of a “Year of Discworld” in celebration, promising “more on that soon...” ([https://terrypratchett.com/discworld/40-years-of-discworld-magic/ terrypratchett.com])<br />
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;Tuesday, November 21st, 2023: Marking the fortieth anniversary of {{COM}} a little early, [[Rob Wilkins]] and [[Neil Gaiman]] celebrate the life and ork of [[Terry Pratchett]] in an event at the British Library, “The Worlds of Terry Pratchett”. [https://living-knowledge-network.co.uk/library/the-worlds-of-terry-pratchett Video of the talk is available from the Living Knowledge Network]. ([https://terrypratchett.com/news/see-rob-wilkins-neil-gaiman-in-conversation/ terrypratchett.com])<br />
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===Significant Pratchett Events===<br />
;Tuesday, April 28th, 2020: Narrativia announces an exclusive deal with Motive Pictures and Endeavour Content to produce "definitive" and "absolutely faithful" Discworld adaptations for the screen. No specific productions are announced. The full text of the announcement is available on the [https://www.narrativia.com/discworld.html Narrativia web site].<br />
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;Saturday, September 16th, 2017: Opening of the [[Terry Pratchett HisWorld Exhibition]] at the Salisbury Museum, Wiltshire. [http://www.pratchetthisworld.com/?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email&iid=6ceb3655f9a94b5487a1455ca5733642&uid=267767096&nid=244+272699400 HisWorld Website] [http://www.salisburymuseum.org.uk/ Salisbury Museum Website]<br />
<br />
;Wednesday, August 30th, 2017: In accordance with his final wishes Sir Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels are destroyed using a steamroller. [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/30/terry-pratchett-unfinished-novels-destroyed-streamroller News Article]<br />
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;Saturday, February 11th, 2017: The BBC broadcasts the biographical documentary ''[[TV and Film:Terry Pratchett: Back in Black|Terry Pratchett: Back in Black]]''. (Non-UK viewers may be able to watch it '''''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxpdh-vKTz4 here]]''''')<br />
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;Thursday, August 27th, 2015: Publication of the final Discworld novel, {{TSC}}.<br />
<br />
;Thursday, March 12th, 2015: Sir Terry Pratchett died at home in Wiltshire following a long battle with Alzheimer's. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156 BBC report, 3:26pm GMT]<br />
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;29 February 2024: Publication of new paperback edition of {{TLH}} from Gollancz, matching the [[50 Years of Terry]] Penguin editions.<br />
<br />
;7 December 2023: Publication of new paperback editions of {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}}, the final books released as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
;9 November 2023: Publication of {{TAG}} by [[Rhianna Pratchett]] and [[Gabrielle Kent]], illustrated by [[Paul Kidby]], celebrating the 20th anniversary of [[Tiffany Aching]].<br />
<br />
;5 October 2023: Publication of {{SP}}, a collection of previously uncollected “lost” early stories written by Pratchett for newspapers under pseudonyms.<br />
<br />
;28 July 2023: Season two of {{GOTV}} premieres on Amazon Prime Video.<br />
<br />
;15 June 2023: Publication of new audiobook editions of {{WFM}}, {{HFOS}}, {{W}}, {{ISWM}} and {{TSC}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
<br />
;25 May 2023: Publication of new audiobook and paperback editions of {{G!G!}}, {{MAA}}, {{FOC}}, {{J}}, {{TFE}}, {{NW}}, {{T!}} and {{SN}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
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;18 May 2023: Publication of new audiobook and paperback edition of {{MP}} as part of [[50 Years of Terry]].<br />
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===Did you know that...===<br />
* ...the motto carved above the doors of [[Unseen University]] means ''Now you see it, now you don't''?<br />
* ...there are only six references to Harry Potter on this entire Wiki?<br />
* ...[[Sto Lat]] is a [[wikipedia:Sto Lat|Polish song]], the expression meaning "may you live a hundred years"?<br />
* ...someone has actually made a [http://freespace.virgin.net/tony.fisk2/janescakes/discworld/discworld.htm Discworld cake]?<br />
* ...the article [[Multiple exclamation marks]] has attracted more than 50,000 views?!!! And that was on the ''old'' Wiki: even allowing for the shiny new-ness of this new home, "M.E.M." has attracted over 36,000 viewings while many popular characters and books haven't reached 10,000. What ''is'' it about this page? <br />
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* [https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com The Guild of Recappers & Podcasters], a sister wiki for Discworld podcasts<br />
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<div>All of the [[:Category:Discworld Series|Discworld novels]], and most of Terry's other novels, have been recorded as audiobooks. The Discworld series in particular has been recorded multiple times...which can lead to some confusion.<br />
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== History ==<br />
=== Corgi ===<br />
The first audiobook versions of Pratchett's works were the abridged '''Corgi''' editions of {{T}}, {{D}} and {{WI}}, in 1993. These were quickly followed by the Discworld series, also abridged. Tony Robinson reads all the Corgi editions, which also include most of Pratchett's other non-Discworld books.<br />
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The Corgi audiobooks are still available in digital format and may be found secondhand on physical media. <br />
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=== Isis Books ===<br />
'''Isis Books''' started producing unabridged audiobooks of the Discworld novels with {{COM}} in 1995. The original plan seems to have been for different narrators for each sub-series, with Nigel Planer reading Rincewind, and Celia Imrie reading the witches. However Imrie only read two books, {{ER}} and {{WS}}, and Nigel Planer continued to read the rest until {{CJ}}. The series continued from {{TFE}} onwards with [[Stephen Briggs]] narrating all the books, including {{E}} which had been skipped in the intial order.<br />
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Isis also produced audiobooks of some of Pratchett's other work, notably unabridged editions of the [[Bromeliad]] books, read by Briggs, and the first audiobook version of {{GO}}, narrated by Martin Jarvis.<br />
<br />
The Isis audiobooks seem to have been discontinued, likely because of changes in licensing arrangements. Most if not all are no longer available to purchase digitally, and many have noticeably worse audio quality than newer audiobooks. They can still be found secondhand in a number of physical formats, however, including some published as mp3 CDs. <br />
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=== Random House/AudioGO ===<br />
'''RandomHouse Audio''' and '''AudioGO''' have produced audiobooks of several other Pratchett books, including the Science of Discworld series, which have Michael Fenton Stevens narrating the nonfiction chapters, and Stephen Briggs narrating the fiction chapters. A similar arrangement was made for the anthology {{BS}}, in which Briggs reads the Discworld short fiction, and Fenton Stevens the non-Discworld material, and for {{MB}}, read by [[wikipedia:Penelope Keith|Penelope Keith]] with Fenton Stevens reading the official notices that appear alongside Mrs Bradshaw's notes. Fenton Stevens also reads the nonfiction collection {{SK}} and the ''Long Earth'' books. Random House also released audiobooks of the collections of Pratchett's early writing for children, read by Julian Rhind-Tutt except for {{TTTC}}, which is read by Ben Bailey Smith.<br />
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=== Penguin Audio ===<br />
[[50 Years of Terry]] kicked off with a new fiftieth anniversary edition audiobook of {{TCP}}, read by [[wikipedia:David Tennant|David Tennant]]. Prior to this, Penguin books announced in late 2021 that they would release a new series of audiobooks of "all 40" Discworld books (the one left out being {{TLH}}), each sub-series and standalone book having its own narrator. They released {{H}} earlier, to coincide with the twentieth anniversary edition paperback released for Christmas 2021. For the purpose of the new editions - which also incorporate new paperbacks with matching cover designs - Penguin created new non-overlapping "official" sub-series, which don't quite line up with how fans have categorised the books. Consistently across all the new audiobooks, [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Peter Serafinowicz]] appears as the voice of Death, and [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Bill Nighy]] reads the footnotes, characterised by the publishers as "the voice of the author”. In addition, Scottish actor [[wikipedia:Steven Cree|Steven Cree]] voices all of the Feegles in every book where they appear.<br />
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The series narrators for the new Penguin editions are:<br />
* [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] for the witches and Tiffany Aching books, including {{TAG}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] for the "wizards" books (the Rincewind novels plus {{UA}})<br />
* [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] for the Death books<br />
* [[wikipedia:Richard Coyle|Richard Coyle]] for the "Industrial Revolution" series (reprising his role as [[Moist von Lipwig]] from {{GPTV}})<br />
* [[wikipedia:John Culshaw|John Culshaw]] for the Watch books<br />
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The standalone book readers include some quite famous names:<br />
* [[wikipedia:Andy Serkis|Andy Serkis]] for {{SG}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Ariyon Bakare|Ariyon Bakare]] for {{TAM}} (he also played Darktan in [[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|the film adaptation]])<br />
* [[wikipedia:Katherine Parkinson|Katherine Parkinson]] for {{MR}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Mathew Baynton|Mathew Baynton]] for {{TT}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Alfred Enoch|Alfred Enoch]] for {{P}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Jason Isaacs|Jason Isaacs]] for {{MP}}<br />
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==== A Stroke of the Pen ====<br />
Penguin Audio also released an audiobook of {{SP}}, with almost every story read by a different narrator, including many of those from the new Discworld books and other actors associated with the works of Pratchett. The cast consists of David Tennant, Claire Foy, Steffan Rhodri, Jon Culshaw, Derek Jacobi, David Jason, Katherine Parkinson, Paterson Joseph, Hattie Morahan, Indira Varma, [[Tony Robinson]], [[Nigel Planer]], Maggie Service, [[Stephen Briggs]], [[Rhianna Pratchett]], Jason Watkins, [[Richard Coyle]], Mathew Baynton and [[Rob Wilkins]].<br />
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==== Tiffany Aching’s Guide to Being a Witch ====<br />
The audio version of {{TAG}} saw the return of Indira Varma narrating the book as Tiffany and voicing most of the other witches’ annotations. Steven Cree also returned reading Rob Anybody and the other Feegles’ notes, and [[Rhianna Pratchett]] reads (in character) the notes pinned into the book by [[Letice Earwig]].<br />
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=== Others ===<br />
American editions of the audiobooks have generally been the same ones offered in the UK, but attempts for localised versions were made. Fantastic Audio produced two books, {{TOT}} and {{NW}}, in an usual format where narrators took turns to read parts of the book. The primary narrator was Stefan Rudnicki, with Harlan Ellison listed as making "a special appearance". They were the only two for {{NW}}, but {{TOT}} also features Christopher Cazenove, Gabrielle de Cuir, Karesa McElheny and John Robinstein.<br />
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In 2018, famous audio producer [[wikipedia:Dirk Maggs|Dirk Maggs]] - who worked on the continuation of the ''Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy'' radio series, based on the later novels - produced a full-cast version of {{UA}} for Audible, starring David Jason, Jon Culshaw, Matthew Horne, Josie Lawrence, Jame Winstone and Stephen Briggs. Though this seems to have been successful, there's been no announcement since of any other similar audio adaptations. Maggs went on to produce the hugely successful Audible adaptations of Neil Gaiman's ''Sandman'' comics.<br />
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Following the success of the television series, HarperAudio in the US produced a full-cast audiobook of {{GO}} in 2021. It features Rebecca Front as the narrator, David Tennant and Michael Sheen reprising their roles as Crowley and Aziraphale from the series, and an ensemble cast of some surprisingly big names as the rest of the characters, including Arthur Darvill, Gabrielle Glaister and Adjoa Andoh.<br />
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== List of Discworld audiobooks ==<br />
Note publication dates are for the audiobooks; some dates are approximate.<br />
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! # !! Book !! Published !! Format !! Narrator !! Publisher !! Notes<br />
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| 1 || {{COM}} || 1993-11-01 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 1 || {{COM}} || 1995-04-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 1 || {{COM}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 2 || {{TLF}} || 1993-11-01 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 2 || {{TLF}} || 1995-05-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 2 || {{TLF}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 3 || {{ER}} || 1993-11-01 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 3 || {{ER}} || 1995-10-?? || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Celia Imrie|Celia Imrie]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 3 || {{ER}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 4 || {{M}} || 1994-10-29 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 4 || {{M}} || 1995-09-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 4 || {{M}} || 2022-10-27 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 5 || {{S}} || 1994-10-29 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 5 || {{S}} || 1995-07-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 5 || {{S}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 6 || {{WS}} || 1994-10-29 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 6 || {{WS}} || 1996-01-?? || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Celia Imrie|Celia Imrie]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 6 || {{WS}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 7 || {{P}} || 1995-11-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 7 || {{P}} || 1997-09-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 7 || {{P}} || 2023-03-30 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Alfred Enoch|Alfred Enoch]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 8 || {{G!G!}} || 1995-11-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 8 || {{G!G!}} || 1995-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 8 || {{G!G!}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 9 || {{E}} || 1997-05-03 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 9 || {{E}} || 2001-08-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 9 || {{E}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 10 || {{MP}} || 1995-11-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 10 || {{MP}} || 1997-05-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 10 || {{MP}} || 2023-05-18 || Unabridged || Jason Isaacs || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 11 || {{RM}} || 1996-11-07 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 11 || {{RM}} || 1995-11-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 11 || {{RM}} || 2022-10-27 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 12 || {{WA}} || 1996-05-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 12 || {{WA}} || 1996-09-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 12 || {{WA}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 13 || {{SG}} || 1996-05-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 13 || {{SG}} || 1997-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 13 || {{SG}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Andy Serkis|Andy Serkis]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 14 || {{LL}} || 1996-07-04 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 14 || {{LL}} || 1996-07-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 14 || {{LL}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 15 || {{MAA}} || 1996-07-04 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 15 || {{MAA}} || 1996-04-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 15 || {{MAA}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 16 || {{SM}} || 1996-11-07 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 16 || {{SM}} || 1996-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 16 || {{SM}} || 2022-10-27 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 17 || {{IT}} || 1996-07-04 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 17 || {{IT}} || 1995-06-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 17 || {{IT}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 18 || {{M!!!}} || 1996-11-07 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 18 || {{M!!!}} || 1999-05-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 18 || {{M!!!}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 19 || {{FOC}} || 1996-06-06 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 19 || {{FOC}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 20 || {{H}} || 1996-11-07 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 20 || {{H}} || 1999-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 20 || {{H}} || 2021-12-09 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 21 || {{J}} || 1997-11-05 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 21 || {{J}} || 2000-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 21 || {{J}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{TLC}} || 1998-05-11 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{TLC}} || 1999-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{TLC}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 23 || {{CJ}} || 1998-11-05 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{CJ}} || 2000-06-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{CJ}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 24 || {{TFE}} || 1999-11-11 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 24 || {{TFE}} || 2000-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 24 || {{TFE}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 25 || {{TT}} || 2000-11-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 25 || {{TT}} || 2001-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 25 || {{TT}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || Mathew Baynton || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 26 || {{TOT}} || 2001-05-03 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 26 || {{TOT}} || 2001-04-23 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Stefan Rudnicki|Stefan Rudnicki]] et al || Fantastic Audio || Unusual rotating cast; see history section above.<br />
|-<br />
| 26 || {{TOT}} || 2001-06-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 26 || {{TOT}} || 2022-10-27 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 27 || {{TLH}} || 2004-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 28 || {{TAM}} || 2001-11-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 28 || {{TAM}} || 2001-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 28 || {{TAM}} || 2022-10-06 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Ariyon Bakare|Ariyon Bakare]] || Penguin || Tie-in with {{TAMF}}. With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 29 || {{NW}} || 2002-11-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 29 || {{NW}} || 2002-11-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis ||<br />
|-<br />
| 29 || {{NW}} || 2003-02-01 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Stefan Rudnicki|Stefan Rudnicki]] || Fantastic Audio || Guest appearance by [[wikipedia:Harlan Ellison|Harlan Ellison]]<br />
|-<br />
| 30 || {{WFM}} || 2003-05-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 30 || {{WFM}} || 2003-09-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 30 || {{WFM}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 31 || {{MR}} || 2003-11-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 31 || {{MR}} || 2003-09-30 || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || US edition<br />
|-<br />
| 31 || {{MR}} || 2003-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || UK edition<br />
|-<br />
| 31 || {{MR}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Katherine Parkinson|Katherine Parkinson]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 32 || {{HFOS}} || 2004-04-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 32 || {{HFOS}} || 2004-08-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 32 || {{HFOS}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 33 || {{GP}} || 2004-10-08 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 33 || {{GP}} || 2004-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 33 || {{GP}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || [[Richard Coyle]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 34 || {{T!}} || 2005-11-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 34 || {{T!}} || 2005-11-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 34 || {{T!}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 35 || {{W}} || 2006-11-05 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 35 || {{W}} || 2008-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 35 || {{W}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 36 || {{MM}} || 2007-09-24 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 36 || {{MM}} || 2007-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 36 || {{MM}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || [[Richard Coyle]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 37 || {{UA}} || 2009-09-29 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 37 || {{UA}} || 2009-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 37 || {{UA}} || 2018-07-02 || Full-cast || [[David Jason]] et al || Audible || Produced by [[wikipedia:Dirk Maggs|Dirk Maggs]].<br />
|-<br />
| 37 || {{UA}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 38 || {{ISWM}} || 2010-12-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 38 || {{ISWM}} || 2010-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 38 || {{ISWM}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 39 || {{SN}} || 2011-10-13 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 39 || {{SN}} || 2011-11-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 39 || {{SN}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 40 || {{RS}} || 2013-11-21 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 40 || {{RS}} || 2013-??-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 40 || {{RS}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || [[Richard Coyle]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 41 || {{TSC}} || 2015-08-27 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 41 || {{TSC}} || 2015-08-27 || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 41 || {{TSC}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| S1 || {{SOD1}} || 2012-05-02 || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] & [[Stephen Briggs]] || Random House & AudioGo || <br />
|-<br />
| S2 || {{SOD2}} || 2012-07-05 || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] & [[Stephen Briggs]] || Random House & AudioGo || <br />
|-<br />
| S3 || {{SOD3}} || 2012-07-05 || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] & [[Stephen Briggs]] || Random House & AudioGo || <br />
|-<br />
| S4 || {{SOD4}} || 2012-??-?? || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] & [[Stephen Briggs]] || Random House Audio || <br />
|-<br />
| 39.5 || {{TWOP}} || 2012-06-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Helen Atkinson Wood|Helen Atkinson Wood]] || Random House Audio || <br />
|-<br />
| S5 || {{FOD}} || 2012-09-25 || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] || Random House & AudioGo ||<br />
|-<br />
| 40.5 || {{MB}} || 2014-11-06 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Penelope Keith|Penelope Keith]] || Random House Audio || Also features [[Michael Fenton Stevens]].<br />
|}<br />
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[[Category:Books by Terry Pratchett|Audiobooks]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Audiobooks&diff=35145Audiobooks2023-12-24T21:28:56Z<p>Guybrush: /* History */</p>
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<div>All of the [[:Category:Discworld Series|Discworld novels]], and most of Terry's other novels, have been recorded as audiobooks. The Discworld series in particular has been recorded multiple times...which can lead to some confusion.<br />
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== History ==<br />
=== Corgi ===<br />
The first audiobook versions of Pratchett's works were the abridged '''Corgi''' editions of {{T}}, {{D}} and {{WI}}, in 1993. These were quickly followed by the Discworld series, also abridged. Tony Robinson reads all the Corgi editions, which also include most of Pratchett's other non-Discworld books.<br />
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The Corgi audiobooks are still available in digital format and may be found secondhand on physical media. <br />
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=== Isis Books ===<br />
'''Isis Books''' started producing unabridged audiobooks of the Discworld novels with {{COM}} in 1995. The original plan seems to have been for different narrators for each sub-series, with Nigel Planer reading Rincewind, and Celia Imrie reading the witches. However Imrie only read two books, {{ER}} and {{WS}}, and Nigel Planer continued to read the rest until {{CJ}}. The series continued from {{TFE}} onwards with [[Stephen Briggs]] narrating all the books, including {{E}} which had been skipped in the intial order.<br />
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Isis also produced audiobooks of some of Pratchett's other work, notably unabridged editions of the [[Bromeliad]] books, read by Briggs, and the first audiobook version of {{GO}}, narrated by Martin Jarvis.<br />
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The Isis audiobooks seem to have been discontinued, likely because of changes in licensing arrangements. Most if not all are no longer available to purchase digitally, and many have noticeably worse audio quality than newer audiobooks. They can still be found secondhand in a number of physical formats, however, including some published as mp3 CDs. <br />
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=== Random House/AudioGO ===<br />
'''RandomHouse Audio''' and '''AudioGO''' have produced audiobooks of several other Pratchett books, including the Science of Discworld series, which have Michael Fenton Stevens narrating the nonfiction chapters, and Stephen Briggs narrating the fiction chapters. A similar arrangement was made for the anthology {{BS}}, in which Briggs reads the Discworld short fiction, and Fenton Stevens the non-Discworld material, and for {{MBH}}, read by Penelope Keith with Fenton Stevens reading the official notices that appear alongside Mrs Bradshaw's notes. Fenton Stevens also reads the nonfiction collection {{SK}} and the ''Long Earth'' books. Random House also released audiobooks of the collections of Pratchett's early writing for children, read by Julian Rhind-Tutt except for {{TTTC}}, which is read by Ben Bailey Smith.<br />
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=== Penguin Audio ===<br />
[[50 Years of Terry]] kicked off with a new fiftieth anniversary edition audiobook of {{TCP}}, read by [[wikipedia:David Tennant|David Tennant]]. Prior to this, Penguin books announced in late 2021 that they would release a new series of audiobooks of "all 40" Discworld books (the one left out being {{TLH}}), each sub-series and standalone book having its own narrator. They released {{H}} earlier, to coincide with the twentieth anniversary edition paperback released for Christmas 2021. For the purpose of the new editions - which also incorporate new paperbacks with matching cover designs - Penguin created new non-overlapping "official" sub-series, which don't quite line up with how fans have categorised the books. Consistently across all the new audiobooks, [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Peter Serafinowicz]] appears as the voice of Death, and [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Bill Nighy]] reads the footnotes, characterised by the publishers as "the voice of the author”. In addition, Scottish actor [[wikipedia:Steven Cree|Steven Cree]] voices all of the Feegles in every book where they appear.<br />
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The series narrators for the new Penguin editions are:<br />
* [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] for the witches and Tiffany Aching books, including {{TAG}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] for the "wizards" books (the Rincewind novels plus {{UA}})<br />
* [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] for the Death books<br />
* [[wikipedia:Richard Coyle|Richard Coyle]] for the "Industrial Revolution" series (reprising his role as [[Moist von Lipwig]] from {{GPTV}})<br />
* [[wikipedia:John Culshaw|John Culshaw]] for the Watch books<br />
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The standalone book readers include some quite famous names:<br />
* [[wikipedia:Andy Serkis|Andy Serkis]] for {{SG}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Ariyon Bakare|Ariyon Bakare]] for {{TAM}} (he also played Darktan in [[TV and Film:The Amazing Maurice|the film adaptation]])<br />
* [[wikipedia:Katherine Parkinson|Katherine Parkinson]] for {{MR}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Mathew Baynton|Mathew Baynton]] for {{TT}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Alfred Enoch|Alfred Enoch]] for {{P}}<br />
* [[wikipedia:Jason Isaacs|Jason Isaacs]] for {{MP}}<br />
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==== A Stroke of the Pen ====<br />
Penguin Audio also released an audiobook of {{SP}}, with almost every story read by a different narrator, including many of those from the new Discworld books and other actors associated with the works of Pratchett. The cast consists of David Tennant, Claire Foy, Steffan Rhodri, Jon Culshaw, Derek Jacobi, David Jason, Katherine Parkinson, Paterson Joseph, Hattie Morahan, Indira Varma, [[Tony Robinson]], [[Nigel Planer]], Maggie Service, [[Stephen Briggs]], [[Rhianna Pratchett]], Jason Watkins, [[Richard Coyle]], Mathew Baynton and [[Rob Wilkins]].<br />
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==== Tiffany Aching’s Guide to Being a Witch ====<br />
The audio version of {{TAG}} saw the return of Indira Varma narrating the book as Tiffany and voicing most of the other witches’ annotations. Steven Cree also returned reading Rob Anybody and the other Feegles’ notes, and [[Rhianna Pratchett]] reads (in character) the notes pinned into the book by [[Letice Earwig]].<br />
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=== Others ===<br />
American editions of the audiobooks have generally been the same ones offered in the UK, but attempts for localised versions were made. Fantastic Audio produced two books, {{TOT}} and {{NW}}, in an usual format where narrators took turns to read parts of the book. The primary narrator was Stefan Rudnicki, with Harlan Ellison listed as making "a special appearance". They were the only two for {{NW}}, but {{TOT}} also features Christopher Cazenove, Gabrielle de Cuir, Karesa McElheny and John Robinstein.<br />
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In 2018, famous audio producer [[wikipedia:Dirk Maggs|Dirk Maggs]] - who worked on the continuation of the ''Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy'' radio series, based on the later novels - produced a full-cast version of {{UA}} for Audible, starring David Jason, Jon Culshaw, Matthew Horne, Josie Lawrence, Jame Winstone and Stephen Briggs. Though this seems to have been successful, there's been no announcement since of any other similar audio adaptations. Maggs went on to produce the hugely successful Audible adaptations of Neil Gaiman's ''Sandman'' comics.<br />
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Following the success of the television series, HarperAudio in the US produced a full-cast audiobook of {{GO}} in 2021. It features Rebecca Front as the narrator, David Tennant and Michael Sheen reprising their roles as Crowley and Aziraphale from the series, and an ensemble cast of some surprisingly big names as the rest of the characters, including Arthur Darvill, Gabrielle Glaister and Adjoa Andoh.<br />
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== List of Discworld audiobooks ==<br />
Note publication dates are for the audiobooks; some dates are approximate.<br />
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{| class="wikitable sortable" style="vertical-align:top;"<br />
! # !! Book !! Published !! Format !! Narrator !! Publisher !! Notes<br />
|-<br />
| 1 || {{COM}} || 1993-11-01 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 1 || {{COM}} || 1995-04-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 1 || {{COM}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 2 || {{TLF}} || 1993-11-01 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 2 || {{TLF}} || 1995-05-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 2 || {{TLF}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 3 || {{ER}} || 1993-11-01 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 3 || {{ER}} || 1995-10-?? || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Celia Imrie|Celia Imrie]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 3 || {{ER}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 4 || {{M}} || 1994-10-29 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 4 || {{M}} || 1995-09-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 4 || {{M}} || 2022-10-27 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 5 || {{S}} || 1994-10-29 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 5 || {{S}} || 1995-07-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 5 || {{S}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 6 || {{WS}} || 1994-10-29 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 6 || {{WS}} || 1996-01-?? || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Celia Imrie|Celia Imrie]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 6 || {{WS}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 7 || {{P}} || 1995-11-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 7 || {{P}} || 1997-09-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 7 || {{P}} || 2023-03-30 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Alfred Enoch|Alfred Enoch]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 8 || {{G!G!}} || 1995-11-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 8 || {{G!G!}} || 1995-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 8 || {{G!G!}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 9 || {{E}} || 1997-05-03 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 9 || {{E}} || 2001-08-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 9 || {{E}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 10 || {{MP}} || 1995-11-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 10 || {{MP}} || 1997-05-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 10 || {{MP}} || 2023-05-18 || Unabridged || Jason Isaacs || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 11 || {{RM}} || 1996-11-07 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 11 || {{RM}} || 1995-11-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 11 || {{RM}} || 2022-10-27 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 12 || {{WA}} || 1996-05-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 12 || {{WA}} || 1996-09-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 12 || {{WA}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 13 || {{SG}} || 1996-05-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 13 || {{SG}} || 1997-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 13 || {{SG}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Andy Serkis|Andy Serkis]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 14 || {{LL}} || 1996-07-04 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 14 || {{LL}} || 1996-07-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 14 || {{LL}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 15 || {{MAA}} || 1996-07-04 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 15 || {{MAA}} || 1996-04-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 15 || {{MAA}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 16 || {{SM}} || 1996-11-07 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 16 || {{SM}} || 1996-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 16 || {{SM}} || 2022-10-27 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 17 || {{IT}} || 1996-07-04 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 17 || {{IT}} || 1995-06-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 17 || {{IT}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 18 || {{M!!!}} || 1996-11-07 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 18 || {{M!!!}} || 1999-05-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 18 || {{M!!!}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 19 || {{FOC}} || 1996-06-06 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 19 || {{FOC}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 20 || {{H}} || 1996-11-07 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 20 || {{H}} || 1999-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 20 || {{H}} || 2021-12-09 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 21 || {{J}} || 1997-11-05 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 21 || {{J}} || 2000-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 21 || {{J}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{TLC}} || 1998-05-11 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{TLC}} || 1999-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{TLC}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 23 || {{CJ}} || 1998-11-05 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{CJ}} || 2000-06-?? || Unabridged || [[Nigel Planer]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 22 || {{CJ}} || 2022-04-28 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 24 || {{TFE}} || 1999-11-11 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 24 || {{TFE}} || 2000-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 24 || {{TFE}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 25 || {{TT}} || 2000-11-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 25 || {{TT}} || 2001-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 25 || {{TT}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || Mathew Baynton || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 26 || {{TOT}} || 2001-05-03 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 26 || {{TOT}} || 2001-04-23 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Stefan Rudnicki|Stefan Rudnicki]] et al || Fantastic Audio || Unusual rotating cast; see history section above.<br />
|-<br />
| 26 || {{TOT}} || 2001-06-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 26 || {{TOT}} || 2022-10-27 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Sian Clifford|Sian Clifford]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 27 || {{TLH}} || 2004-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 28 || {{TAM}} || 2001-11-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 28 || {{TAM}} || 2001-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 28 || {{TAM}} || 2022-10-06 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Ariyon Bakare|Ariyon Bakare]] || Penguin || Tie-in with {{TAMF}}. With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 29 || {{NW}} || 2002-11-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 29 || {{NW}} || 2002-11-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis ||<br />
|-<br />
| 29 || {{NW}} || 2003-02-01 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Stefan Rudnicki|Stefan Rudnicki]] || Fantastic Audio || Guest appearance by [[wikipedia:Harlan Ellison|Harlan Ellison]]<br />
|-<br />
| 30 || {{WFM}} || 2003-05-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 30 || {{WFM}} || 2003-09-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 30 || {{WFM}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 31 || {{MR}} || 2003-11-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 31 || {{MR}} || 2003-09-30 || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || US edition<br />
|-<br />
| 31 || {{MR}} || 2003-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || UK edition<br />
|-<br />
| 31 || {{MR}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Katherine Parkinson|Katherine Parkinson]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 32 || {{HFOS}} || 2004-04-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 32 || {{HFOS}} || 2004-08-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 32 || {{HFOS}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 33 || {{GP}} || 2004-10-08 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 33 || {{GP}} || 2004-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 33 || {{GP}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || [[Richard Coyle]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 34 || {{T!}} || 2005-11-?? || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 34 || {{T!}} || 2005-11-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 34 || {{T!}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 35 || {{W}} || 2006-11-05 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 35 || {{W}} || 2008-02-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 35 || {{W}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 36 || {{MM}} || 2007-09-24 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 36 || {{MM}} || 2007-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 36 || {{MM}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || [[Richard Coyle]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 37 || {{UA}} || 2009-09-29 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 37 || {{UA}} || 2009-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 37 || {{UA}} || 2018-07-02 || Full-cast || [[David Jason]] et al || Audible || Produced by [[wikipedia:Dirk Maggs|Dirk Maggs]].<br />
|-<br />
| 37 || {{UA}} || 2022-07-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Colin Morgan|Colin Morgan]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 38 || {{ISWM}} || 2010-12-02 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 38 || {{ISWM}} || 2010-12-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 38 || {{ISWM}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 39 || {{SN}} || 2011-10-13 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 39 || {{SN}} || 2011-11-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 39 || {{SN}} || 2023-05-25 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Jon Culshaw|Jon Culshaw]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 40 || {{RS}} || 2013-11-21 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 40 || {{RS}} || 2013-??-?? || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 40 || {{RS}} || 2023-02-23 || Unabridged || [[Richard Coyle]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| 41 || {{TSC}} || 2015-08-27 || Abridged || [[Tony Robinson]] || Corgi || <br />
|-<br />
| 41 || {{TSC}} || 2015-08-27 || Unabridged || [[Stephen Briggs]] || Isis || <br />
|-<br />
| 41 || {{TSC}} || 2023-06-15 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Indira Varma|Indira Varma]] || Penguin || With [[wikipedia:Bill Nighy|Nighy]] and [[wikipedia:Peter Serafinowicz|Serafinowicz]].<br />
|-<br />
| S1 || {{SOD1}} || 2012-05-02 || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] & [[Stephen Briggs]] || Random House & AudioGo || <br />
|-<br />
| S2 || {{SOD2}} || 2012-07-05 || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] & [[Stephen Briggs]] || Random House & AudioGo || <br />
|-<br />
| S3 || {{SOD3}} || 2012-07-05 || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] & [[Stephen Briggs]] || Random House & AudioGo || <br />
|-<br />
| S4 || {{SOD4}} || 2012-??-?? || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] & [[Stephen Briggs]] || Random House Audio || <br />
|-<br />
| 39.5 || {{TWOP}} || 2012-06-07 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Helen Atkinson Wood|Helen Atkinson Wood]] || Random House Audio || <br />
|-<br />
| S5 || {{FOD}} || 2012-09-25 || Unabridged || [[Michael Fenton Stevens]] || Random House & AudioGo ||<br />
|-<br />
| 40.5 || {{MB}} || 2014-11-06 || Unabridged || [[wikipedia:Penelope Keith|Penelope Keith]] || Random House Audio || Also features [[Michael Fenton Stevens]].<br />
|}<br />
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[[Category:Books by Terry Pratchett|Audiobooks]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=User:Guybrush&diff=35143User:Guybrush2023-12-23T04:11:53Z<p>Guybrush: </p>
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<div>'''"Guybrush"''' is Ben McKenzie, a performer, writer, educator and game designer based on Wurundjeri land in Melbourne, Australia. He’s a admin for this wiki. His favourite dinosaur is ''Stegosaurus'', his favourite element is helium, and his favourite Pratchett books include {{SG}}, {{T}}, {{TAM}}, {{N}} and {{T!}}, though please don’t ask him to pick just one.<br />
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He's done many things, but the one most relevant to this wiki is probably '''''[http://pratchatpodcast.com Pratchat]''''', a book club style podcast in which he and co-host Elizabeth Flux read and discuss every Terry Pratchett novel, one a month, with guests. A side project is ''[https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com the Guild of Recappers & Podcasters]'', a wiki which documents and cross references episodes of podcasts discussing Pratchett’s works. (There have been many!) He also had a fanzine in the 90s in which he reviewed new Discworld books, among other things, and directed a student theatre production of ''Mort'' in 1998.<br />
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You can find out more about him at [http://benmckenzie.com.au benmckenzie.com.au].<br />
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Ben sometimes tries out major additions for the wiki in this testing ground: [[User:Guybrush/Testing]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=User:Guybrush&diff=35142User:Guybrush2023-12-23T04:10:47Z<p>Guybrush: </p>
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<div>'''"Guybrush"''' is Ben McKenzie, a performer, writer, educator and game designer based on Wurundjeri land in Melbourne, Australia. He’s a moderator of this wiki. His favourite dinosaur is ''Stegosaurus'', his favourite element is helium, and his favourite Pratchett books include {{SG}}, {{T}}, {{TAM}}, {{N}} and {{T!}}, though please don’t ask him to pick just one.<br />
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He's done many things, but the one most relevant to this wiki is probably '''''[http://pratchatpodcast.com Pratchat]''''', a book club style podcast in which he and co-host Elizabeth Flux read and discuss every Terry Pratchett novel, one a month, with guests. A side project is ''[https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com the Guild of Recappers & Podcasters]'', a wiki which documents and cross references episodes of podcasts discussing Pratchett’s works. (There have been many!) He also had a fanzine in the 90s in which he reviewed new Discworld books, among other things, and directed a student theatre production of ''Mort'' in 1998.<br />
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You can find out more about him at [http://benmckenzie.com.au benmckenzie.com.au].<br />
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Ben sometimes tries out major additions for the wiki in this testing ground: [[User:Guybrush/Testing]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Tiffany_Aching&diff=35140Tiffany Aching2023-12-22T02:23:25Z<p>Guybrush: /* Biography */ Added note about the Guide to Being a Witch</p>
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<div>{{Character Data<br />
|title= Tiffany Aching<br />
|photo= Tiffany Aching.png|Tiffany Aching by Paul Kidby<br />
|name= Tiffany Aching<br />
|age= 9 in {{WFM}}<br/>11 in {{HFOS}}<br/>12 & 13 in {{W}}<br/>15 in {{ISWM}}<br/>16, 17 or 18 in {{TSC}}<br/>(born around [[1979 UC]])<br />
|race= Human<br />
|occupation= Former Milkmaid, now [[Witch]]<br />
|appearance= Short, slim, brown-haired, wears big boots. Almost never wears black (except for the hat) preferring blue or green. Has a silver necklace of the Horse (later a golden hare necklace). <br />
|residence= Home Farm, The Chalk<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= [[Joe Aching]] (father)<br/>Mrs. Aching (mother)<br />
|relatives= [[Sarah Aching]] (Grandmother)<br>Six older sisters including Hannah and Fastidia<br/>younger brother [[Wentworth Aching|Wentworth]]<br/>Aunt Hetty<br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= single<br />
|books= {{WFM}}<br/>{{HFOS}}<br/>{{W}}<br/>{{ISWM}}<br/>{{TSC}}<br/>{{TAG}}<br />
|cameos= <br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Tiffany Aching''' is a young witch apprentice. She appears in the Young Adult [[:category:Tiffany Series|Tiffany Series]], which cover several years of her life growing up in a rural area of the [[Discworld]].<br />
<br />
==Biography==<br />
Tiffany Aching grew up in a sheep-grazing region known as [[The Chalk]], [[rimwards]] of the [[Ramtops]] on the hubward margin of the [[Sto Plains]]. She has one little brother ([[Wentworth Aching|Wentworth]]) and six older sisters, including Hannah and Fastidia. She is an expert at cheese-making, to the point of making it [[Horace the Cheese|sentient]].<br />
<br />
Tiffany's talent was discovered at age 9, by itinerant witch and teacher [[Perspicacia Tick|Miss Tick]]; This surprised her, as [[Well-Known Facts|everyone knows]] that good witches cannot grow on chalk. She is seen as a "gel".<br />
<br />
Her first inclination of her unique abilities came as she experienced a susurration when creatures were passing from [[Fairyland]] into her own.<br />
<br />
Since she fought off the [[Queen of the Elves]] with an iron frying pan to save her little brother, and [[Roland|the baron's son]], the [[Nac Mac Feegle]] (who helped her on her quest, and who made her a temporary [[Kelda]]) have watched her and helped her through danger, as was presented in her eleventh spring and thirteenth winter, in the form of a hiver and the [[Wintersmith]].<br />
<br />
She lives, as aforementioned, on the Chalk, but in the second novel she studies in mountains close to Lancre with [[Constance Level|Miss Level]]. By the third, she has spent time with two other mentors before moving to live with [[Eumenides Treason|Miss Treason]]. After Miss Treason's death, [[Annagramma Hawkin]] takes her cottage, and Tiffany cleans up the mess Annagramma leaves behind.<br />
<br />
When Tiffany foolishly joined in with the [[Dark Morris]] dance (which turns autumn into winter), she learned that the supposedly empty spot belonged to [[Summer Lady|Summer]]. This resulted in a lovestruck [[Wintersmith]] and a very angry Summer, who believed that Tiffany was trying to take her place.<br />
<br />
In {{ISWM}}, after helping the old Baron to a peaceful death, she learned that she had attracted the attentions of the [[Cunning Man]]. By the end of the tale she had assured her own stead, married Roland (...to someone else), opened a school, made peace between the Chalk-folk and the Feegles, conversed with a [[Eskarina Smith|legendary female wizard]], and spoken to herself from the future.<br />
<br />
In {{TSC}}, Tiffany inherits [[Granny Weatherwax]]’s belongings and steading. She struggles to take care of the people of both the Chalk and Bad Ass, as well as becoming the new “head witch”. She takes on [[Geoffrey Swivel|an apprentice]], and must deal with another invasion of Elves, under a [[Peaseblossom|new leader]]. Afterwards she gives up Granny’s steading to concentrate on being the witch of the Chalk.<br />
<br />
After settling back into her life as witch of the Chalk, Tiffany completed the manuscript for a book she had been working on throughout her time learning to be a witch, with helpful input from Granny, Nanny, Ms Tick and other witches (and less helpful input from Rob Anybody and the Feegles). {{TAG}} was published by [[Goatberger|Goatberger Publishers]] in Ankh-Morpork.<br />
<br />
==Characteristics==<br />
Tiffany is mature for her age. She is serious and literal like [[Granny Weatherwax]], but unlike Granny she is still learning fast (Granny's learned a lot but she'd say she's learning faster). She has second and third thoughts, and occasionally fourth thoughts.<br />
Her connection with the Chalk is important to her, which makes it very strong - the connection saved Tiffany from the [[Hiver]], helping her to expel it from herself when it had consumed every other victim it took. <br />
<br />
==Relationships==<br />
The most important person in her life was her late grandmother [[Granny Aching]] (who referred to her as "Jiggit").<br />
<br />
Tiffany cares for her family deeply: while she may find her brother irritating, she saves him from the Queen of the Elves. She also grows closer to her father as the books go on, feeling she can always be honest with him.<br />
<br />
Tiffany is officially single, and believes this how a Witch should stay. She had a romantic connection with [[Roland]] once, which leads to some rare (internal) immaturity when he finds himself [[Letitia Keepsake|a fiancée]]. She also had a brief relationship with the [[Wintersmith]]. In [[I Shall Wear Midnight]], Tiffany became interested in medical student and former guard [[Preston]], who gifted her the golden hare necklace.<br />
<br />
In a professional capacity, she forms working relationships and tentative friendships with [[Annagramma Hawkin]] and [[Petulia Gristle]]. She marvels at [[Nanny Ogg]] too.<br />
<br />
Tiffany has a strong (if a bit prickly) mentor-apprentice relationship with [[Granny Weatherwax]], which grew to a level of importance rivalling her own granny's. Aside from being allowed to call her Granny (she's 'Mistress Weatherwax' to everyone else), Tiffany gifted her a white kitten later called [[You]] - as in, "''Here, You''!" or "''Stop that, You''!" Granny Weatherwax appears to be impressed with Tiffany, which is an extraordinarily difficult thing to achieve.<br />
<br />
==Annotations==<br />
* Tiffany is 9 years old in {{WFM}}, and around two years elapse between subsequent novels. She is stated to be 16 in {{ISWM}}.<br />
* All Tiffany's adventures seem to have a connection to winter. In [[The Wee Free Men]], Fairyland and the parts of the Chalk that get taken over by the Fairy Queen are covered with snow. In [[A Hat Full of Sky]], the creature that takes over Tiffany is called a hiver (hiver being the French word for winter). In [[Wintersmith]], the Wintersmith that brings winter to the land falls in love with Tiffany.<br />
* Tiffany has a silver necklace of the Horse, a gift from Roland. At the end of {{ISWM}} she receives a golden necklace of a hare from Preston, completing the Sun-Moon symbology.<br />
[[Image:Horse.jpg|600px|thumb|left|Picture of the Horse by [[User:Knmatt|Matt Smith]]. <br />
The horse has also been made into a piece of jewellery by Barrie Wakeford. This is based on the White Horse near Uffington in the UK.]]<br />
<br />
==Also See==<br />
* [[wikipedia:Tiffany Aching|Tiffany Aching's Entry]] on [[wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]]<br />
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[[Category:Tiffany Series characters]]<br />
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<div>{{Book Data<br />
|title=The Illustrated Eric<br />
|cover=[[File:IllustratedEricCover.jpg|240px|thumb|Cover]]<br />
|illustrator=[[Josh Kirby]]<br />
|date=November 2010<br />
|pages=144<br />
|publisher=Gollancz<br />
|isbn=0575096284<br />
|series=Rincewind Series<br />
|characters=[[Rincewind]], [[Eric]], [[Luggage]], [[Astfgl]]<br />
|rrp=£8.99<br />
|annotations=<br />
|notes=<br />
}}<br />
The Illustrated Eric is a reissue of {{E}}, complete with the illustrations that were present in the original edition, but removed from the standard paperbacks.<br />
<br />
==Blurb==<br />
[[Biography|Terry Pratchett's]] hilarious take on the Faust legend stars many of the Discworld's most popular characters.<br />
<br />
Eric is the Discworld's only demonology hacker. The trouble is, he's not very good at it. All he wants is the usual three wishes: to be immortal, rule the world and have the most beautiful woman fall madly in love with him. The usual stuff.<br />
<br />
But what he gets is Rincewind, the Disc's most incompetent wizard, and Rincewind's Luggage (the world's most dangerous travel accessory) into the bargain. The outcome is an outrageous adventure that will leave Eric wishing once more - this time, quite fervently - that he'd never been born.<br />
<br />
==Illustrations==<br />
The book was created as a collaborative effort between Terry Pratchett and [[Josh Kirby]] who had previously only provided illustrations for the covers of the [[Discworld]] books. <br />
<br />
The novel features fifteen illustrations by Josh Kirby both on full page spreads and integrated throughout the text. The Illustrated Eric also adds some additional smaller illustrations, created from snippets from the larger pictures.<br />
<br />
[[Category:Discworld Series|Illustrated Eric, The]]<br />
[[Category:Rincewind Series|Illustrated Eric, The]]<br />
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<div>{{Book Data<br />
|title=Eric<br />
|cover=[[File:Cover Eric (alt).jpg |thumb|240px|Cover art by Josh Kirby]]<br />
|coauthors=<br />
|illustrator=[[Josh Kirby]]<br />
|date=August 1990<br />
|publisher=Victor Gollancz<br />
|isbn=0575600012<br />
|pages=160<br />
|rrp=<br />
|series=Rincewind Series<br />
|characters=[[Rincewind]], [[Eric]], [[Death]], [[The Luggage]]<br />
|annotations=<br />
|notes= <br />
}}<br />
==Blurb==<br />
Eric is the [[Discworld (world)|Discworld]]'s only demonology hacker. Pity he's not very good at it.<br />
<br />
All he wants is three wishes granted. Nothing fancy - to be immortal, rule the world, have the most beautiful woman in the world fall madly in love with him, the usual stuff. But instead of a tractable demon, he calls up Rincewind, probably the most incompetent wizard in the universe, and the extremely intractable and hostile form of travel accessory known as the Luggage.<br />
<br />
With them on his side, Eric's in for a ride through space and time that is bound to make him wish (quite fervently) again - this time that he'd never been born.<br />
<br />
==Plot Summary==<br />
As indicated by the crossed-out portion of the title, a parody of {{wp|Faust|Faust}}.<br />
<br />
On a blazingly hot Ankh-Morpork summer afternoon, Rincewind the wizard, trapped in the [[Dungeon Dimensions]] after the events of {{S}}, attempts to return to the Disc.<br />
<br />
His attempted return attracts the attention of [[Death]] (who is pretty much used to Rincewind doing unusual things), and the [[wizards]], who ultimately use the [[Rite of AshkEnte]] to get Death to tell them what is going on.<br />
<br />
Meanwhile, demonologist Eric Thursley attempts to summon a [[Demons|demon]], managing to rescue Rincewind in the process (unknown to either, Duke Vassenego arranges this as part of his plot against Astfgl).<br />
<br />
Rincewind convinces Eric that he's not a demon, but the sudden appearance of the Luggage (which follows Rincewind everywhere) convinces Eric that he was right in the first place. Eric then makes three wishes:<br />
<br />
* mastery of the kingdoms of the world<br />
* meeting the most beautiful woman who has ever lived<br />
* living for ever (the text reads "for ever", which becomes a significant point later; presumably Eric wanted to live "forever", which is a little different)<br />
<br />
and a chest of gold "just to be getting on with it".<br />
<br />
Meanwhile, Astfgl, the new King of the Demons, is trying to adjust to his new position, annoyed that:<br />
<br />
* no one can pronounce his name yet<br />
* the "old guard" almost-but-not-quite disobey him, and are plotting against him<br />
* the Gods ignore him<br />
<br />
To demonstrate he has no power, Rincewind snaps his fingers, transporting himself and Eric about a thousand miles above the Disc. A second snap transports them to a [[Tezuman Empire]] (ruled by the [[Great Muzuma]]). The Tezumen (plural of Tezuman) accept Eric as Ruler of the World, and shower him with tribute and speeches.<br />
<br />
The Tezumen, however, have not invented paper (communication between them and Eric/Rincewind is via stone tablet), nor the wheel (they use disks with holes as jewelry, currency, and hats, but not as wheels), and their calendar counts down, giving them a suicidally gloomy and pessimistic view of life (well, that, plus the swamps, hummingbird-sized mosquitoes, lack of metal ore, volcanoes, weather, etc).<br />
<br />
After Rincewind rescues explorer Ponce da Quirm (who's wasted all his life searching for the Fountain of Youth), he learns (by reading a large collection of stone blocks) that the Tezumen intend to kill (in an exquisitely painful manner) the Ruler of the World (ie, Eric), and Rincewind. Rincewind and da Quirm try to leave quietly, but are captured.<br />
<br />
Just as they're about to be killed, the Tezuman god Quezovercoatl appears. Contrary to his appearance in visions and statues, he is only 6 inches high. As he's about to give the Tezumen Astfgl's new directive, he is crushed by the Luggage (requiring him to spend several centuries regenerating in one of the nether hells, since demons apparently can't die), which is racing to re-unite with Rincewind.<br />
<br />
The Tezumen release Rincewind, Eric, and da Quirm, and decide to worship the Luggage as a God. Rincewind gives Eric's parrot to da Quirm as a present.<br />
<br />
Rincewind snaps his fingers again, landing himself and Eric in the Tsortean Horse, a ruse concocted by Ephebian leader Lavaeolus to conquer the city of Tsort. Lavaeolus correctly assumes that the Tsorteans will think the horse contains an invading force. Instead, while the Tsorteans are waiting for the Ephebians to come out of the horse, the Ephebians "nip round the back" and slip in through Tsort's unguarded back gate, accidentally assisted by Rincewind and Eric, who were trying to leave.<br />
<br />
Despite his best efforts, Rincewind is influential in getting Eric to meet the beautiful Elenor.<br />
<br />
Rincewind and Eric are sent back in time to when the Creator was making the world. They have a discussion about the Discworld. Later, Rincewind and Eric discuss the meaning of living forever. Rincewind tosses his egg and cress sandwich into the water, starting the formation of life. Eric's wishes are now used up, requiring Rincewind to find a way to save them.<br />
<br />
Rincewind and Eric are then sent to [[Hell]], which they basically run through, meeting Ponce da Quirm and Eric's Parrot. Ponce da Quirm explains that he found the Fountain of Youth, but forgot to boil any still water found in the wild, and subsequently died from the bacteria in the water. At the end of the book, Rincewind and Eric escape, and Astfgl is promoted to Lifetime President of Hell, a mainly maintenance job, which he is completely happy with.<br />
<br />
==Characters==<br />
===Main characters===<br />
* [[Eric]]<br />
* [[Rincewind]]<br />
* [[The Luggage]]<br />
<br />
===Minor characters===<br />
* Archchancellor [[Ezrolith Churn]]<br />
* [[Astfgl]], King of Hell<br />
* [[Elenor]] of [[Tsort]]<br />
* [[Lavaeolus]] <br />
* The [[Librarian]]<br />
* [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
* [[Quezovercoatl]], the Feathered Boa, a parody of {{wp|Quetzalcoatl|Quetzalcoatl}}<br />
* [[Ponce da Quirm]], parody of {{wp|Juan_Ponce_de_Le%C3%B3n|Ponce de Leon}}<br />
* The [[Creator]]<br />
* [[Death]]<br />
<br />
==Cameos==<br />
* [[Herrena the Henna-Haired Harridan]]<br />
* [[Red Scharron]]<br />
* [[Diome, Witch of the Night]]<br />
* [[Senior Tutor]]<br />
* [[Private Archeios]], a private who looks after a child<br />
* [[Urglefloggah]], Spawn of the Pit and Loathly Guardian of the Dread Portal<br />
* [[Azaremoth]], Stench of Dog Breath, a demon who guards a parody of {{wp|Tityus|Tityus}} (whose liver was eaten by two vultures) and/or {{wp|Prometheus|Prometheus}} (whose constantly-regenerating liver was eaten by an eagle, albeit not in Hades)<br />
* [[Lord Vizzimuth]], a demon who reads "Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects" to a parody of {{wp|Sisyphus|Sisyphus}}<br />
* [[Earl Beezlemoth]] a lord of hell, shocked by the tortures humans can think up<br />
<br />
==Locations==<br />
* [[Pseudopolis]]<br />
* [[Ankh-Morpork]]<br />
* [[Death's Domain]]<br />
* [[Hell]]<br />
* [[Klatch (continent)|Klatch]]<br />
**[[Tezuman Empire]]<br />
* [[Quirm]]<br />
* [[Tsort]]<br />
<br />
==Sentient Species==<br />
*[[Gorgon|Gorgons]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Humans]]<br />
<br />
==Supernatural Entities==<br />
*[[Creator|The Creator]]<br />
*[[Demons]] <br />
*[[Death]]<br />
*[[The gods|The Gods]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Imps]]<br />
*[[Dungeon Dimensions|Horrors from the Dungeon Dimensions]] (mentioned)<br />
<br />
==Things/People Mentioned==<br />
* [[The Joy of Tantric Sex|The Joy of Tantric Sex with Illustrations for the Advanced Student, by A.Lady]] (parodying books like {{wp|Story_of_O|The Story of O}} and {{wp|Joy_of_Sex|The Joy of Sex}} and authors with names like "J" (an alias of {{wp|Joan_Garrity|Joan Garrity}})) and Roundworld books published anonymously, such as Jane Austen's first novel. <br />
* [[Some Little Known Aspects of Kuian Rain-making Rituals]], a seven-volume treatise by Ezrolith Churn<br />
* [[Names of the Ants]], a book by [[Humptemper]]<br />
* [[Ku]], continent that sank slowly (over a period of 30 years) into the sea, a parody of {{wp|Atlantis|Atlantis}}<br />
* [[Old Tom]], [[Unseen University]]'s magical clock that tolls out silences every hour<br />
* Riinjswin and Winswin, demons with names similar to Rincewind's<br />
* [[Mallificarum Sumpta Diabolicite Occularis Singularum]], a demon-summoning book whose initials parody {{wp|MSDOS|MSDOS}}<br />
* [[succubus]], a type of demon that makes mad passionate wossname<br />
* [[neuralger]], a type of demon that has a headache at you<br />
* [[Mirror of Souls]], demon device that can be used to show events anywhere, any time<br />
* [[the Fountain of Youth]], a rejuvenating fountain with apparently tainted water<br />
* The [[Tsortean Horse]], a parody of the {{wp|Trojan_Horse|Trojan Horse}}<br />
* The [[Tsortean Wars]], in which Ephebe attempts to rescue a reluctant Elenor<br />
* [[Corporal Disuse]], a corporal whose squad is consumed by the Luggage<br />
* [[Mr Beekle]], a possibly fictional person referred to by a child on a potty<br />
* [[King Mausoleum]], king of Tsort, who kidnapped and married Elenor<br />
* [[The Ball of Philodelphus]], a song popular with soldiers, parody of ''The Ball of Kerrymuir''.<br />
* [[Heliodeliphilodelphiboschromenos]], an Ephebian city with vestal virgins<br />
* [[Big Bang Hypothesis]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Continuous Creation]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects]], a demon book<br />
* [[Throne of Dread]], where the king of Hell sits<br />
<br />
==Illustrations==<br />
The original edition of ''Eric'' was a large-format paperback published by Gollancz featuring fifteen illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]]. Afterwards a standard Corgi paperback of ''Eric'' was published without the illustrations, though a detail from one of them was used as the cover. The illustrations were reinstated for a later smaller format edition under the title ''[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|The Illustrated Eric]]''.<br />
<br />
==Adaptations==<br />
===[[Radio Adaptations|Radio]]===<br />
Adapted for BBC Radio 4 in 2013, directed by Joquil Panting.<br />
<br />
Cast:<br />
*Mark Heap: [[Rincewind]]<br />
*Jeffrey Whitehead: [[Death]]<br />
*Will Howard: [[Eric Thursley]]<br />
*Ben Crowe: Parrot, Sergeant, [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
*Nicholas Murchie: [[Astfgl]]<br />
*Christine Absalom: Mother, [[Elenor]]<br />
*Jack Klaff: [[Ponce da Quirm]], Urglefloggah<br />
*Rick Warden: Narrator, [[Lavaeolus]]<br />
*Micheal Shelford: Screwpate<br />
*Robert Blythe: [[Ezrolith Churn|Archchancellor]], [[Quetzovercoatl]], [[Creator]]<br />
<br />
==Notes==<br />
Rincewind is present when the Creator reads the [[Octavo]] to create the universe. This might explain why one of the Octavo's spells chooses to jump into Rincewind's mind when it sees him: it recognises him from the time of creation.<br />
<br />
==Other Stuff==<br />
*Ninth published Discworld book<br />
*Fourth book in the series of Rincewind-books<br />
*First illustrated Discworld book<br />
*Originally published in Great Britain by Victor Gollancz Ltd. London<br />Copyright (c) 1990 by Terry and Lyn Pratchett<br />
*Cover and internal illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]]<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
{|<br />
|-<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:EricFirstEdition.jpg|120px|thumb|First Edition Cover by [[Josh Kirby]]]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E FirstPaper.jpg|thumb|110px|First paperback editon]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Vista.jpg|thumb|110px|Vista paperback]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Black.jpg|thumb|110px|Paperback 2004 (Italian)]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Tape.jpg|thumb|120px|Audio Cassette]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E CD.jpg|thumb|120px|Audio CD]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Roc.jpg|thumb|110px|Paperback ROC Publishing]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E G50.jpg|thumb|110px|[[Gollancz]] Top 50 edition]]<br />
|}<br />
{|<br />
|-<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E US.jpg|thumb|110px|US Cover]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:IllustratedEricCover.jpg|thumb|110px|[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|Illustrated Edition]]]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E Unseen.jpg|thumb|110px|Unseen Library Edition]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:E CL.jpg|thumb|110px|Collectors Library Edition]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
[http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/eric.html ''Eric'' Annotations - The Annotated Pratchett File]<br />
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{{series|before=Guards! Guards!|series=Discworld|after=Moving Pictures}}<br />
{{series|series=Rincewind|before=Sourcery|after=Interesting Times}}<br />
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[[Category:Discworld Series|Eric]]<br />
[[Category:Rincewind Series|Eric]]<br />
[[Category:Graphic Novels|Eric]]<br />
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<div>{{Book Data<br />
|title=Eric<br />
|cover=[[File:Cover Eric (alt).jpg |thumb|240px|Cover art by Josh Kirby]]<br />
|coauthors=<br />
|illustrator=[[Josh Kirby]]<br />
|date=August 1990<br />
|publisher=Victor Gollancz<br />
|isbn=0575600012<br />
|pages=160<br />
|rrp=<br />
|series=Rincewind Series<br />
|characters=[[Rincewind]], [[Eric]], [[Death]], [[The Luggage]]<br />
|annotations=<br />
|notes= <br />
}}<br />
==Blurb==<br />
Eric is the [[Discworld (world)|Discworld]]'s only demonology hacker. Pity he's not very good at it.<br />
<br />
All he wants is three wishes granted. Nothing fancy - to be immortal, rule the world, have the most beautiful woman in the world fall madly in love with him, the usual stuff. But instead of a tractable demon, he calls up Rincewind, probably the most incompetent wizard in the universe, and the extremely intractable and hostile form of travel accessory known as the Luggage.<br />
<br />
With them on his side, Eric's in for a ride through space and time that is bound to make him wish (quite fervently) again - this time that he'd never been born.<br />
<br />
==Plot Summary==<br />
As indicated by the crossed-out portion of the title, a parody of {{wp|Faust|Faust}}.<br />
<br />
On a blazingly hot Ankh-Morpork summer afternoon, Rincewind the wizard, trapped in the [[Dungeon Dimensions]] after the events of {{S}}, attempts to return to the Disc.<br />
<br />
His attempted return attracts the attention of [[Death]] (who is pretty much used to Rincewind doing unusual things), and the [[wizards]], who ultimately use the [[Rite of AshkEnte]] to get Death to tell them what is going on.<br />
<br />
Meanwhile, demonologist Eric Thursley attempts to summon a [[Demons|demon]], managing to rescue Rincewind in the process (unknown to either, Duke Vassenego arranges this as part of his plot against Astfgl).<br />
<br />
Rincewind convinces Eric that he's not a demon, but the sudden appearance of the Luggage (which follows Rincewind everywhere) convinces Eric that he was right in the first place. Eric then makes three wishes:<br />
<br />
* mastery of the kingdoms of the world<br />
* meeting the most beautiful woman who has ever lived<br />
* living for ever (the text reads "for ever", which becomes a significant point later; presumably Eric wanted to live "forever", which is a little different)<br />
<br />
and a chest of gold "just to be getting on with it".<br />
<br />
Meanwhile, Astfgl, the new King of the Demons, is trying to adjust to his new position, annoyed that:<br />
<br />
* no one can pronounce his name yet<br />
* the "old guard" almost-but-not-quite disobey him, and are plotting against him<br />
* the Gods ignore him<br />
<br />
To demonstrate he has no power, Rincewind snaps his fingers, transporting himself and Eric about a thousand miles above the Disc. A second snap transports them to a [[Tezuman Empire]] (ruled by the [[Great Muzuma]]). The Tezumen (plural of Tezuman) accept Eric as Ruler of the World, and shower him with tribute and speeches.<br />
<br />
The Tezumen, however, have not invented paper (communication between them and Eric/Rincewind is via stone tablet), nor the wheel (they use disks with holes as jewelry, currency, and hats, but not as wheels), and their calendar counts down, giving them a suicidally gloomy and pessimistic view of life (well, that, plus the swamps, hummingbird-sized mosquitoes, lack of metal ore, volcanoes, weather, etc).<br />
<br />
After Rincewind rescues explorer Ponce da Quirm (who's wasted all his life searching for the Fountain of Youth), he learns (by reading a large collection of stone blocks) that the Tezumen intend to kill (in an exquisitely painful manner) the Ruler of the World (ie, Eric), and Rincewind. Rincewind and da Quirm try to leave quietly, but are captured.<br />
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Just as they're about to be killed, the Tezuman god Quezovercoatl appears. Contrary to his appearance in visions and statues, he is only 6 inches high. As he's about to give the Tezumen Astfgl's new directive, he is crushed by the Luggage (requiring him to spend several centuries regenerating in one of the nether hells, since demons apparently can't die), which is racing to re-unite with Rincewind.<br />
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The Tezumen release Rincewind, Eric, and da Quirm, and decide to worship the Luggage as a God. Rincewind gives Eric's parrot to da Quirm as a present.<br />
<br />
Rincewind snaps his fingers again, landing himself and Eric in the Tsortean Horse, a ruse concocted by Ephebian leader Lavaeolus to conquer the city of Tsort. Lavaeolus correctly assumes that the Tsorteans will think the horse contains an invading force. Instead, while the Tsorteans are waiting for the Ephebians to come out of the horse, the Ephebians "nip round the back" and slip in through Tsort's unguarded back gate, accidentally assisted by Rincewind and Eric, who were trying to leave.<br />
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Despite his best efforts, Rincewind is influential in getting Eric to meet the beautiful Elenor.<br />
<br />
Rincewind and Eric are sent back in time to when the Creator was making the world. They have a discussion about the Discworld. Later, Rincewind and Eric discuss the meaning of living forever. Rincewind tosses his egg and cress sandwich into the water, starting the formation of life. Eric's wishes are now used up, requiring Rincewind to find a way to save them.<br />
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Rincewind and Eric are then sent to [[Hell]], which they basically run through, meeting Ponce da Quirm and Eric's Parrot. Ponce da Quirm explains that he found the Fountain of Youth, but forgot to boil any still water found in the wild, and subsequently died from the bacteria in the water. At the end of the book, Rincewind and Eric escape, and Astfgl is promoted to Lifetime President of Hell, a mainly maintenance job, which he is completely happy with.<br />
<br />
==Characters==<br />
===Main characters===<br />
* [[Eric]]<br />
* [[Rincewind]]<br />
* [[The Luggage]]<br />
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===Minor characters===<br />
* Archchancellor [[Ezrolith Churn]]<br />
* [[Astfgl]], King of Hell<br />
* [[Elenor]] of [[Tsort]]<br />
* [[Lavaeolus]] <br />
* The [[Librarian]]<br />
* [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
* [[Quezovercoatl]], the Feathered Boa, a parody of {{wp|Quetzalcoatl|Quetzalcoatl}}<br />
* [[Ponce da Quirm]], parody of {{wp|Juan_Ponce_de_Le%C3%B3n|Ponce de Leon}}<br />
* The [[Creator]]<br />
* [[Death]]<br />
<br />
==Cameos==<br />
* [[Herrena the Henna-Haired Harridan]]<br />
* [[Red Scharron]]<br />
* [[Diome, Witch of the Night]]<br />
* [[Senior Tutor]]<br />
* [[Private Archeios]], a private who looks after a child<br />
* [[Urglefloggah]], Spawn of the Pit and Loathly Guardian of the Dread Portal<br />
* [[Azaremoth]], Stench of Dog Breath, a demon who guards a parody of {{wp|Tityus|Tityus}} (whose liver was eaten by two vultures) and/or {{wp|Prometheus|Prometheus}} (whose constantly-regenerating liver was eaten by an eagle, albeit not in Hades)<br />
* [[Lord Vizzimuth]], a demon who reads "Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects" to a parody of {{wp|Sisyphus|Sisyphus}}<br />
* [[Earl Beezlemoth]] a lord of hell, shocked by the tortures humans can think up<br />
<br />
==Locations==<br />
* [[Pseudopolis]]<br />
* [[Ankh-Morpork]]<br />
* [[Death's Domain]]<br />
* [[Hell]]<br />
* [[Klatch (continent)|Klatch]]<br />
**[[Tezuman Empire]]<br />
* [[Quirm]]<br />
* [[Tsort]]<br />
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==Sentient Species==<br />
*[[Gorgon|Gorgons]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Humans]]<br />
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==Supernatural Entities==<br />
*[[Creator|The Creator]]<br />
*[[Demons]] <br />
*[[Death]]<br />
*[[The gods|The Gods]] (mentioned)<br />
*[[Imps]]<br />
*[[Dungeon Dimensions|Horrors from the Dungeon Dimensions]] (mentioned)<br />
<br />
==Things/People Mentioned==<br />
* [[The Joy of Tantric Sex|The Joy of Tantric Sex with Illustrations for the Advanced Student, by A.Lady]] (parodying books like {{wp|Story_of_O|The Story of O}} and {{wp|Joy_of_Sex|The Joy of Sex}} and authors with names like "J" (an alias of {{wp|Joan_Garrity|Joan Garrity}})) and Roundworld books published anonymously, such as Jane Austen's first novel. <br />
* [[Some Little Known Aspects of Kuian Rain-making Rituals]], a seven-volume treatise by Ezrolith Churn<br />
* [[Names of the Ants]], a book by [[Humptemper]]<br />
* [[Ku]], continent that sank slowly (over a period of 30 years) into the sea, a parody of {{wp|Atlantis|Atlantis}}<br />
* [[Old Tom]], [[Unseen University]]'s magical clock that tolls out silences every hour<br />
* Riinjswin and Winswin, demons with names similar to Rincewind's<br />
* [[Mallificarum Sumpta Diabolicite Occularis Singularum]], a demon-summoning book whose initials parody {{wp|MSDOS|MSDOS}}<br />
* [[succubus]], a type of demon that makes mad passionate wossname<br />
* [[neuralger]], a type of demon that has a headache at you<br />
* [[Mirror of Souls]], demon device that can be used to show events anywhere, any time<br />
* [[the Fountain of Youth]], a rejuvenating fountain with apparently tainted water<br />
* The [[Tsortean Horse]], a parody of the {{wp|Trojan_Horse|Trojan Horse}}<br />
* The [[Tsortean Wars]], in which Ephebe attempts to rescue a reluctant Elenor<br />
* [[Corporal Disuse]], a corporal whose squad is consumed by the Luggage<br />
* [[Mr Beekle]], a possibly fictional person referred to by a child on a potty<br />
* [[King Mausoleum]], king of Tsort, who kidnapped and married Elenor<br />
* [[The Ball of Philodelphus]], a song popular with soldiers, parody of ''The Ball of Kerrymuir''.<br />
* [[Heliodeliphilodelphiboschromenos]], an Ephebian city with vestal virgins<br />
* [[Big Bang Hypothesis]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Continuous Creation]], theory of Discworld creation<br />
* [[Unhealthy and Unsafety Regulations Governing the Lifting and Moving of Large Objects]], a demon book<br />
* [[Throne of Dread]], where the king of Hell sits<br />
<br />
==Illustrations==<br />
The original edition of '’Eric'’ was a large-format paperback published by Gollancz featuring fifteen illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]]. Afterwards a standard Corgi paperback of ''Eric'' was published without the illustrations, though a detail from one of them was used as the cover. The illustrations were reinstated for a later smaller format edition under the title ''[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|The Illustrated Eric]]''.<br />
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==Adaptations==<br />
===[[Radio Adaptations|Radio]]===<br />
Adapted for BBC Radio 4 in 2013, directed by Joquil Panting.<br />
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Cast:<br />
*Mark Heap: [[Rincewind]]<br />
*Jeffrey Whitehead: [[Death]]<br />
*Will Howard: [[Eric Thursley]]<br />
*Ben Crowe: Parrot, Sergeant, [[Duke Vassenego]]<br />
*Nicholas Murchie: [[Astfgl]]<br />
*Christine Absalom: Mother, [[Elenor]]<br />
*Jack Klaff: [[Ponce da Quirm]], Urglefloggah<br />
*Rick Warden: Narrator, [[Lavaeolus]]<br />
*Micheal Shelford: Screwpate<br />
*Robert Blythe: [[Ezrolith Churn|Archchancellor]], [[Quetzovercoatl]], [[Creator]]<br />
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==Notes==<br />
Rincewind is present when the Creator reads the [[Octavo]] to create the universe. This might explain why one of the Octavo's spells chooses to jump into Rincewind's mind when it sees him: it recognises him from the time of creation.<br />
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==Other Stuff==<br />
*Ninth published Discworld book<br />
*Fourth book in the series of Rincewind-books<br />
*First illustrated Discworld book<br />
*Originally published in Great Britain by Victor Gollancz Ltd. London<br />Copyright (c) 1990 by Terry and Lyn Pratchett<br />
*Cover and internal illustrations by [[Josh Kirby]]<br />
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==External Links==<br />
[http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/eric.html ''Eric'' Annotations - The Annotated Pratchett File]<br />
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|title=The Last Hero<br />
|cover=[[File:Cover The Last Hero.jpg|thumb|240px|Cover art by Paul Kidby]]<br />
|coauthors=<br />
|illustrator=[[Paul Kidby]]<br />
|date=October 2001<br />
|publisher=Gollancz<br />
|isbn=057506885X<br />
|pages=160<br />
|rrp=£17.99<br />
|series=Rincewind Series<br />
|characters=[[Cohen]]<br/>[[Rincewind]]<br/>[[Carrot Ironfoundersson]]<br/>[[Leonard of Quirm]]<br/>The [[Librarian]] <br />
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==Blurb==<br />
[[Cohen the Barbarian|He]]'s been a [[Barbarian heroes|legend]] in his own lifetime.<br />
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He can remember the great days of high adventure.<br />
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He can remember when a hero didn't have to worry about fences and lawyers and civilisation.<br />
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He can remember when people didn't tell you off for killing dragons.<br />
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But he can't always remember, these days, where he put his teeth...<br />
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He's really not happy about that bit.<br />
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So now, with his ancient sword and his new walking stick and his old friends &ndash; and they're very old friends &ndash; Cohen the Barbarian is going on one final quest. It's been a good life. He's going to climb the highest mountain in the Discworld and meet his gods. He doesn't like the way they let men grow old and die.<br />
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It's time, in fact, to give something back.<br />
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The last hero in the world is going to return what the first hero stole. With a vengeance. That'll mean the end of the world, if no one stops him in time.<br />
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Someone is going to try. So who knows who the last hero really is?<br />
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==Characters==<br />
===Main Characters===<br />
*[[Cohen the Barbarian]]<br />
*[[Carrot Ironfoundersson]]<br />
*The [[Librarian]]<br />
*The [[Minstrel]]<br />
*[[Rincewind]]<br />
*[[Leonard of Quirm]]<br />
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===Minor Characters===<br />
*[[The Dean]]<br />
*[[Harry Dread|Evil Harry]]<br />
*[[The Luggage]]<br />
*[[Hughnon Ridcully]]<br />
*[[Mustrum Ridcully]]<br />
*The [[Silver Horde]]<br />
**[[Caleb the Ripper]]<br />
**[[Mad Hamish]]<br />
**[[Truckle the Uncivil]]<br />
**[[Boy Willie]]<br />
*[[Ponder Stibbons]]<br />
*[[Vena the Raven-Haired]]<br />
*[[Havelock Vetinari]]<br />
*[[Fate]]<br />
*[[Lady]]<br />
*[[Blind Io]]<br />
*[[Offler]]<br />
*[[Nuggan]]<br />
*[[Death]]<br />
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===Cameos & Mentions===<br />
*[[Armpit]]<br />
*[[Butcher]]<br />
*[[Dats Me!]]<br />
*[[Gak]]<br />
*[[Slime]]<br />
*[[Neoldian]]<br />
*[[Patina]]<br />
*[[Bibulous]]<br />
*[[Topaxci]]<br />
*[[Valkyrie|Valkyries]]<br />
*[["Fingers" Mazda]] - The First Hero<br />
*[[Carelinus]]<br />
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==Other==<br />
*The 27th Discworld novel.<br />
*This book is the second to feature illustrations by a cover artist for the books after {{E}}/[[Book:The Illustrated Eric|''The Illustrated Eric'']].<br />
*The novel was illustrated by [[Paul Kidby]].<br />
*The 2002 paperback and subsequent editions of ''The Last Hero'' feature additional two-page spread illustrations.<br />
*A new edition with a cover matching the Penguin [[50 Years of Terry]] Discworld books was announced in December 2023, to be published in February 2024. According to [https://www.gollancz.co.uk/titles/terry-pratchett/the-last-hero/9781399611206/ the Gollancz website], it will also feature “a new text design”.<br />
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| valign="top" | [[File:TLH 3.jpg|thumb|130px|2nd Edition smaller paperback]]<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/the-last-hero.html ''The Last Hero'' Annotations - The Annotated Pratchett File]<br />
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<div>These are annotations for the book '''{{TLH}}'''. Note that the consistent layout of the book means that the English editions from before 2024 share exactly the same page numbers, except that the original hardcover lacks the sixteen extra pages of new illustrations added with the 2002 Gollancz softcover. The first of those appears on page 50 in newer editions, so before that the pages are in sync, and then drift further out. We've noted both page numbers where appropriate, and will update these references when possible to include the new 2024 paperback, which has promised a new layout.<br />
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==Specific annotations==<br />
;Page 8 (all editions):This is a reworking of the Prometheus fable on Roundworld, with Fingers Mazda taking the place of Prometheus. Also, Ahura Mazda was the chief god in the ancient Persian religion Zoroastrianism, and was often symbolized by fire.<br />
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;Page 17 (all editions):The illustration of Dunmanifestin looks suspiciously like the centrepiece of the board-game "Escape From Atlantis!"[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_atlantis], where the trick is to get as many Atlanteans off the doomed island as possible before it collapses under the sea. [http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/224522] When the central city collapses into the sea, the game is over. And of course on page 18, Cohen himself is represented as a playing piece complete with moulded-on base... The scene also bears some resemblance to scenes from Olympus in the original ''Clash of the Titans''.<br />
:On a separate hill connected by a path to Dunmanifestin is a much smaller but still grand (when you consider the scale) building next to a large tree; [https://twitter.com/PaulKidby/status/1527940078231818245 according to Paul Kidby], this is the home of the Great God [[Om]], and was an addition to the painting requested by Pratchett himself.<br />
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;Page 21 (all editions):The infamous portrait of Ponder Stibbons which has led some observers to notice a passing resemblance, across the mists of space-time and the infinite Multiverse, to another intrepid young Wizard called H***y P****r. Although coincidence is indeed a funny thing... there is a similar portrait on page 113. (In the t-shirt carrying the legend "Actually I am a rocket wizard", in which the play of light and shadow on a frowning forehead suggests a shape... investigation shows it to be nothing like HP's "interrobang", but you do wonder for an instant.) Still, just coincidence again...<br />
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;Page 31 (all editions):"I recall an old story about a ship that was pulled by swans and was pulled all the way to the..." This specifically references Bishop Francis Godwin of Hereford's 1638 "[[wikipedia:The Man in the Moone|The Man in the Moone]]", in which a Spaniard travels to the moon in a chariot drawn by swans (echoed by the illustration on pp32-33 of Leonard in a chariot pulled by swamp dragons). Godwin's book is one of the earliest published stories about space travel, and was famous enough to be parodied by the real life Cyrano de Bergerac twenty years later, as referenced in Rostand's [[wikipedia:Cyrano de Bergerac (play)|famous 1897 play about Bergerac]]. Godwin's story, or Bergerac's parody, may have influenced many other writers, including Rudolf Raspe in his tales of [[wikipedia:Baron Munchausen|Baron Munchausen]].<br />
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;Page 38 (all editions):Leonard absent-mindedly draws a perfect circle freehand, a task thought to be so impossible that only a complete lunatic or inspired genius could manage it. This feat is attributed in history to Italian 13th century painter Giotto, but elements of the tale go back to Alexander the Great's court painter Appeles (c. 320BC)<br />
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;Page 40 (all editions):Vena, the Raven-Haired:- Refer to the TV adventure series ''[[wikipedia:Xena: Warrior Princess|Xena: Warrior Princess]]''. Doesn't the artwork in {{TLH}} just remind you of a sixty-year old [[wikipedia:Lucy Lawless|Lucy Lawless]]? This character may also be a reference to the film ''[[wikipedia:Red Sonya|Red Sonya]]''.<br />
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;Page 51 (2001 hardcover)/53 (subsequent editions):Evil Harry Dread's name resonates with the film character [[wikipedia:Dirty Harry|Dirty Harry]]. His Evil Overlord status and references to the Code are also reminiscent of the now-famous [http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html Evil Overlord List], a guide for aspiring Evil Overlords which comprises rules designed to prevent the overlord from falling into clichéd movie traps - an example from the list being: ''"I will instruct my Legions of Terror to attack the hero en masse, instead of standing around waiting while members break off and attack one or two at a time."'' Contrastingly, Evil Harry seems to follow a Code which adheres him to these movie clichés - e.g. his very stupid henchmen.<br />
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;Page 67 (2001 hardcover)/69 (subsequent editions):Death is talking to Albert about knowing when the cat in the box is dead or not, this is a reference to [[wikipedia:Schrödinger's_cat|Schrödinger's cat]]. In Schrödinger's theoretical experiment a live cat is placed in a box containing a radiation source, a internal geiger counter and a flask of poison. If the geiger counter detects radiation it smashes the poison flask killing the cat, therefore the cat is can be ''both alive and dead'' at the same time and only the act of looking actually decides which one is real. Schrödinger's cat is purely theoretical and is meant to be a way of teaching about quantum mechanics, of course on the Discworld it is probably real. [I'm no physicist, but it's my understanding that Schrodinger actually intended this thought experiment as a satire of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics. His point as I understand it was that all this "superposition waveform collapsing on observation" gibberish is fine at explaining the subatomic world, but has no real meaning for classical physics. Perhaps someone better-qualified than I can take us in hand?] See also {{LL}}, in which it is determined that an unobserved cat in a box can be in one of three states: a) alive; b) dead; c) bloody furious. <br />
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;Page 86 (2001 hardcover)/92 (subsequent editions):It's clear that the Emperor [[Carelinus]] is the Discworld equivalent of Alexander the Great, who "untied" the Gordian knot. But Terry being Terry, and given the specific phrase used by the minstrel on this page, it's also very likely a nod to the film ''[[wikipedia:Die Hard|Die Hard]]'', in which Hans Gruber (played by Alan Rickman) claims to quote Plutarch's history of the conqueror, but uses a phrasing not found in any earlier source: "And Alexander wept, seeing as he had no more worlds to conquer."<br />
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;Page 93 (2001 hardcover)/99 (subsequent editions):Rincewind has just made a last-ditch attempt to be deselected from the mission. He has just been told, by Vetinari, that a plea of insanity only reinforces that he is the right man for the job, as only an insane man would do something like this. And should you be sane... well, as ruler of the City I have a duty to send only the keenest, coolest, minds on a vital errand of this kind". Rincewind mumbles something about there being a catch there, and Vetinari replies "Yes. The best kind there is". Rincewind has just joined Yossarian as a victim of [[wikipedia:Catch-22|Catch-22]]. <br />
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;Page 95 (2001 hardcover)/101 (subsequent editions):On the page entitled "Considerations of The Great Bird", in the top left-hand corner, are the words "600ft of Bird's Eye Maple at 1 1/2d a foot". This is a reference to the poem "Three Ha'pence a foot" by [[wikipedia:Marriott Edgar|Marriott Edgar]].<br />
:"The Great Bird" illustration on this page, and all the "eagle" references immediately after, have at least two levels of reference. "The Eagle" was the name of the lunar module of the [[wikipedia:Apollo-11|Apollo-11]] mission, provoking the line "The ''Eagle'' has landed!" to describe its successful mission to the Moon. It may also be one of several references to science fiction: in ''Star Trek'', both the Klingon and Romulan Empires use spacecraft called ''Birds of Prey''; the Klingon ships can radically alter wing-configuration to suit atmospheric and deep space work. It might also refer to the "Eagle" spaceships from the British series ''[[wikipedia:Space: 1999|Space: 1999]]'', and physically it resembles the "Golden Condor" from the 1982 French-Japanese animated series ''[[wikipedia:The Mysterious Cities of Gold|The Mysterious Cities of Gold]]''.<br />
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;Page 100 (2001 hardcover)/108 (subsequent editions):"And put your helmet on!" - Carrot to Rincewind, echoing Ground Control to Major Tom in [[wikipedia:Space Oddity|a certain song]]. No previous instruction to Rincewind to "take your protein pills", though.<br />
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;Page 104-105 (2001 hardcover)/112 (subsequent editions):The three official astronauts are waking up to the possibility that a fourth, unauthorised, life-form is on board. The dialogue is suggestive of the crew of the Nostromo coming to the appalling conclusion that there is an Alien aboard. But only a fully paid-up coward like Rincewind sees all the implications, viz things erupting out of stomach cavities like a terminal case of indigestion. Carrot goes chasing it, as the hero must, whilst Leonard excitedly muses on the scientific possibilities. After the build-up, it's reassuringly disappointing that it only turns out to be the Librarian.<br />
:The presence of the Librarian also pays a sort of homage to all the {{wp|Laika|dogs}}, chimpanzees, and other ape-like creatures whose group noun begins with an "m", who were sent into space by the Americans and Russians as surrogate human astronauts in the early days. <br />
:And on page 105, Leonard contacts base with '"Ankh-Morpork, we have an orang-utan"', which somehow manages to evoke "Houston, we have a problem." This is a reference to the real and film versions of the [[wikipedia:Apollo 13|Apollo-13]] mission.<br />
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;Page 107 (2001 hardcover)/115 (subsequent editions):''"Nucleus situm ex orbita, unus certis maximus"'' - dog-Latin for "nuke the site from orbit, just to make sure!" - a shout-out to ''[[wikipedia:Aliens (film)|Aliens]]''?<br />
:''Gaping Maw (to trawl debris from the void)'': This description closely resembles a [[wikipedia:Bussard Ramjet|Bussard Ramjet]], an interstellar spacecraft design which leaves for its destination without enough fuel for its fusion engines but uses enormous "scoops" to collect hydrogen from the interstellar medium along the way.<br />
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;Pages 116-117 (2002 softcover and later editions only):The illustration here of the UU faculty, Vetinari and the Luggage viewing the spell in the ship's hold is based closely on the 1766 painting ''A Philosopher giving that Lecture on the Orrery in which a lamp is put in place of the Sun'' by Joseph Wright of Derby. Derby also painted ''An Experiment on a Bird in the Air Pump'', which Kidby used as the inspiration for the cover of {{SOD1}}.<br />
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;Page 111 (2001 hardcover)/121 (subsequent editions):''Adorno maximus, magister!'' - Leonard of Quirm's declaration on designing Rincewind's spacesuit translates to "Suits you, sir!" - the catchphrase of the very camp tailors in BBC long-running comedy series, ''[[wikipedia:The Fast Show|The Fast Show]]''. <br />
:''Weighted boots'': There is an old urban legend that a significant number of people believe that there is no gravity on the moon but the astronauts were held down by "[https://milk.com/wall-o-shame/heavy_boots.html heavy boots]." This may or may not be an intentional reference.<br />
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;Page 117 (2001 hardcover)/129 (subsequent editions):"It's your own fault," he said. "I '''''told''''' you. Small steps. Not giant ones." - Rincewind is misquoting [[wikipedia:Neil Armstrong|Neil Armstrong's]] famous quote "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind" (sic) as he bandages the Librarian's head. <br />
<br />
;Page 121 (2001 hardcover)/133 (subsequent editions):Describing the dragons eating too much lunar vegetation, Mr Pratchett coins the word "dialectric". This appears to be an amalgam of ''dielectric'' and ''dialectic'', describing both the psychological barrier across an argument which prevents each side from understanding the other, and, in context, the property of the lunar foliage making the dragons fizz with potential power. <br />
<br />
;Page 115 (2001 hardcover)/125 (subsequent editions):A discussion about the rapidly approaching dark disc of the Moon, with Carrot being approving of the fact that if your plans for the day include ''Breathing'', then you're in luck. How could we miss this one? All it would take is the Omniscope, in the role of ship's robot, humming like Pink Floyd. Do we need to explain this? OK. Artiste: Pink Floyd. song: ''Breathe''. Album: ''Dark Side of the Moon''. ''Eclipses'' are also mentioned. As is lots and lots of ''screaming'' (''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNe-6Reqo9o| Speak to Me]'' involves protracted screaming. And then there's the more tuneful screaming of ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T13se_2A7c8| Great Gig In The Sky]''). Rincewind's generally gloomy, fear-the-worst, disposition in space? Marvin The Paranoid Android. (And the, err, breathe it softly, ''Monkeyman''? Arthur Dent, hitching a ride?)<br />
<br />
;Page 131 (2001 hardcover)/145 (subsequent editions):"Prince Haran's Tiller" is an enigmatically-titled lever on the ''Kite'', first seen in the illustration on page 100 (94 in the first edition). In the temporarily concussed absence of [[Leonard of Quirm]], neither of the other two crewmembers has the faintest idea of the purpose of. With an imminent crisis looming - i.e. uncontrolled re-entry into the Disc's atmosphere and an awful lot of unforgiving ground coming up to meet them 'very, very' quickly - [[Ponder Stibbons]] is at a loss to advise. However, he has just, rather unwisely, denigrated the value of an arts-based education where [[Vetinari]] can hear it. Vetinari, a product of an arts-based education, suggests Ponder tells the crew to pull Prince Haran's Tiller. Ponder relays the suggestion, Rincewind pulls the lever, and the Kite levels out into free flight. Vetinari then affably tells Stibbons that there is an old myth, derived from Klatchian folklore, about a Prince Haram who devised an ingenious way for a [[Magic Carpet|magic carpet]] to safely fly itself on long journeys, while he slept. But then, one whose education has been purely technical and scientific, and deficient in areas such as languages and history, is hardly likely to be aware of that...<br />
:Prince Haran's tiller is therefore what we might describe as the '''''autopilot'''''.<br />
:There is a readable discourse dating from the 1950's but still relevant today, called ''The Two Tribes'', which describes and deplores the way the educational process in Great Britain - almost uniquely in the developed world - forces able school pupils to make a prematurely early choice between "Arts" and "Science" streams. Even as early as age fourteen, the British pupil is then progressively locked firmly into either Arts or Science, and becomes as firmly embodied in that stream as a Hindu is in their caste, or inhabitants of the old South Africa were embodied according to their skin colour. Especially at the A-level stage, the pupil must choose to specialise in ''all'' Arts subjects or ''all'' Sciences: mixing the two is not permitted and is looked on with as much horror as, say, a Boer who seeks to marry into the Zulus.<br />
:The net result of this is a system where Britain has a great number of Arts grads who might be up to speed in English Lit or History, but who at age 21 last saw the inside of a laboratory at age 15 and who are woefully science-illiterate. Similarly, we have science grads who last read a novel at school and whose foreign language skills, viewed as belonging to Arts, have atrophied. These are the Two Tribes, whose stereotyped opinions of the other are illustrated by the interaction between Vetinari and Stibbons.<br />
:Leonard of Quirm, in contrast, embraces both Art and Science equally, as befits an expy for Leonardo da Vinci: the archetypal "Renaissance Man", who masters both.<br />
:''you've definitely got the wrong stuff'': ''[[wikipedia:The Right Stuff|The Right Stuff]]'' is a Roundworld book, later film, later miniseries about the first manned US spaceflights. The equivalent book in Discworld, I suppose, would be the one that this annotation is for.<br />
<br />
;Page 139 (hardcover edition)/153 (subsequent editions):Cohen chops the dice in two as it tumbles, so that the two halves come down together as a one and a six, making a seven. There are referents to this feat in both Norse and Irish mythology, the trick being attributed to both Finn McCool and to King Olaf of Norway, when in a dispute with the King of Sweden over ownership of an island, they diced for it. The Swedish king rolled two sixes, knowing this was unlikely to be beaten. Olaf rolled two dice, one coming down as a six, and the second induced to come down as a winning seven due to the intervention of his sword-blade.<br />
:The whole extended sequence hearkens back to the original use of this device in {{COM}}, where the Lady outwits Fate as 'the die flipped gently onto a point, spun round, and came down a seven. Blind Io picked up the cube and counted the sides. "Come ''on'', he said, wearily. "Play fair!"'<br />
:This time, the Lady's reward is an angry and contemptuous tirade from Cohen.<br />
<br />
;Page 150 (subsequent editions): ''Hurtling Whirlers of Klatch'': A reference to the ''[[wikipedia:Mevlevi Order|Mevlevi Order]]'' known (possibly offensively) as the "Whirling Dervishes"<br />
<br />
;Page 156 (hardcover edition)/172 (subsequent editions):At the end, the formerly foppish minstel is seen transformed, wearing the animal-skins of a barbarian warrior, a sword at his side, and even the light around him taking on the heroic air of the character on the front of a typical Iron Maiden album sleeve... has he discovered '''''heavy metal? ''''' This might be typical of the origins of many of the great seventies heavy bands - Deep Purple and Status Quo both began as typical flower-power psychedelic bands in the late sixties, their earliest released work (''Book of Taliesyn, Pictures of Matchstick Men'', et c) being almost completely unrecognisable, in terms of musical content and the foppy Carnaby Street clothes they wore, from what their ''ouevre'' later mutated into. Led Zeppelin were born out of the ashes of sixties' experimental band the Yardbirds, and most amusingly, Spinal Tap started as a band called the Kingsmen who performed an anodyne first single called ''Listen To The Flowers Grow''. (A theme they later revisited as ''Working In My Sex Garden'').<br />
:In fact, Deep Purple's early album ''The Book of Taliesyn'' , while having pre-echoes of the band's later heavy style, contains tracks where the conceit is that they belong to a minstrel, serving the Dark Age Celtic kingdom to which Taliesyn was both bard and wizard.<br />
<br />
[[Category:Annotations|Last Hero,The]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Pack_Up_Your_Troubles_in_Your_Old_Kit_Bag&diff=35134Pack Up Your Troubles in Your Old Kit Bag2023-12-22T01:45:49Z<p>Guybrush: Made the song annotation present tense; some of us learned it at school!</p>
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<div>'''Pack Up Your Troubles in Your Old Kit Bag''' is a song sung by [[Percy Blakeney]] to a group of Trolls (who he thought were Russians) after he accidentally stepped to [[Long Earth|another earth]]. The Trolls seem to enjoy it.<br />
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==Annotation==<br />
* “Pack Up Your Troubles in Your Old Kit Bag” is an actual song, though was originally known by the slightly longer title of “Pack Up Your Troubles in Your Old Kit Bag and, Smile, Smile, Smile”. The song was immensely popular during World War One and was credited with boosting morale within the British troops. It was still taught to schoolchildren in the UK and Commonwealth countries as late as the 1980s. The full lyrics can be found [http://www.firstworldwar.com/audio/packupyourtroubles.htm here].<br />
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[[Category:The Long Earth]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Book:Wintersmith&diff=35124Book:Wintersmith2023-12-20T07:03:04Z<p>Guybrush: /* Gallery */</p>
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<div>{{Book Data<br />
|title=Wintersmith<br />
|cover=[[File:Cover Wintersmith.JPG|thumb|240px|Cover art by Paul Kidby]]<br />
|coauthors=<br />
|illustrator=<br />
|date=28 Sep 2006<br />
|publisher=Doubleday<br />
|isbn=0385609841<br />
|pages=352<br />
|rrp=<br />
|series=Tiffany Series<br />
|characters=[[Tiffany Aching]], the [[Nac Mac Feegle]], [[Granny Weatherwax]]<br />
|annotations=yes<br />
|notes=The third [[Tiffany Aching]] book and the first Discworld novel to appear in a year.<br />
}}<br />
==Blurb==<br />
At 9, Tiffany Aching defeated the cruel Queen of Fairyland.<br />
<br />
At 11, she battled an ancient body-stealing evil.<br />
<br />
At 13, Tiffany faces a new challenge: a boy. And boys can be a bit of a problem when you're thirteen...<br />
<br />
But the Wintersmith isn't "exactly" a boy. He is Winter itself - snow, gales, icicles - all of it. When he has a crush on Tiffany, he may make her roses out of ice, but his nature is blizzards and avalanches. And he wants Tiffany to stay in his gleaming, frozen world. Forever.<br />
<br />
Tiffany will need all her cunning to make it to Spring. She'll also need her friends, from junior witches to the legendary Granny Weatherwax.<br />
<br />
"Crivens!" Tiffany will need the Wee Free Men too! She'll have the help of the bravest, toughest, smelliest pictsies ever to be banished from Fairyland - whether she wants it or not.<br />
<br />
It's going to be a cold, cold season, because if Tiffany doesn't survive until Spring -<br />
<br />
Spring won't come.<br />
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==Main Characters==<br />
*[[Tiffany Aching]]<br />
*[[Wintersmith]]<br />
*[[Summer Lady]]<br />
*[[Roland]]<br />
*[[Eumenides Treason|Miss Treason]]<br />
*[[Granny Weatherwax]]<br />
*[[Nanny Ogg]]<br />
*[[Perspicacia Tick]]<br />
*[[Letice Earwig]] <br />
*[[Annagramma Hawkin]]<br />
*[[Petulia Gristle]]<br />
*[[Pictsies|Feegles: The Chalk Hill Clan]]<br />
<br />
==Other Characters and Cameos==<br />
*[[Anoia]]<br />
*[[Baron|The Baron of the Chalk]]<br />
*[[Wotua Doinov]]<br />
*[[Gwinifer Blackcap]]<br />
*[[Death]]<br />
*[[Tolliver Groat]]<br />
*[[Dimity Hubbub]]<br />
*[[Pullunder|Miss Pullunder]]<br />
*[[Lucy Warbeck]]<br />
*[[Danuta|Aunt Danuta]] <br />
*[[Araminta|Aunt Araminta]]<br />
<br />
==Locations==<br />
*[[Ramtops]]<br />
*[[Lancre]]<br />
**[[Lancre Town]]<br />
*[[The Chalk]]<br />
**[[Twoshirts]]<br />
*[[Limbo]]<br />
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==Things and Concepts==<br />
* [[Cornucopia]]<br />
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| valign="top" | [[File:W Slip.jpg|thumb|110px|Slipcase Collectors Edition]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:W Black.jpg|thumb|110px|Paperback]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:W CD.jpg|thumb|140px|Audio CD]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:W BM.jpg|thumb|110px|Cover by Bill Mayer]]<br />
|}<br />
{|<br />
|-<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:W Kidby.jpg|thumb|110px|Paperback 'Tiffany' cover by [[Paul Kidby]]]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:W US.jpg|thumb|110px|US Cover]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:W Gift.jpg|thumb|110px|Gift Edition 2017]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:W YA.jpg|thumb|110px|Cover by Laura Ellen Anderson]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:W CL.jpg|thumb|110px|Collectors Library Edition]]<br />
| valign="top" | [[File:W 2023.jpg|thumb|110px|Paperback 2023]]<br />
|}<br />
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{{series|series=Tiffany|before=A Hat Full of Sky|after=I Shall Wear Midnight}}<br />
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[[Category:Tiffany Series]]<br />
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<div>{{Book Data<br />
|title=Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001<br />
|cover=[[File:Diary2001.jpg|thumb|240px|Cover]]<br />
|coauthors=[[Stephen Briggs]]<br />
|illustrator=[[Paul Kidby]]<br />
|date=August 2000<br />
|publisher=Gollancz<br />
|isbn=0575071036<br />
|pages=128<br />
|rrp=£10.99<br />
|characters= <br />
|series=Diary Series<br />
|notes= <br />
}}<br />
One of the splendid miscellany of books about Discworld with no specific novel value, but with background details in that no fan would ''dream'' of not knowing, such as the traditions of the [[Fools' Guild]], full lists of teaching staff, high days and holidays, and famous dates and alumni of the Guild.<br />
<br />
The fictional content and illustrations from this now very-out-of-print diary were collected in {{AMAV2}}.<br />
<br />
{{series|before=Discworld's Assassins' Guild Diary 2000|series=Diary|after=Discworld Thieves' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2002}}<br />
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[[Category:Reference|Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001]]<br />
[[Category:Diary Series|Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Fishing_from_the_same_stream&diff=35120Fishing from the same stream2023-12-20T02:00:25Z<p>Guybrush: /* Fool’s Guild Mysteries */ Made explicit the date comparison</p>
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<div>'''Fishing from the same stream''' is a literary phenomenon that is common among authors- particularly ones from the sci-fi and fantasy genres- that is the source of great discussion from fans, journalists, and lawyers alike.<br />
<br />
Many people believe that the use of this is plagiarism, but nothing could be further from the truth. Terry points out that the stream is like a boiling pot- different writers use its contents, but ‘’do not steal each other’s ideas’’. That is not how ideas function. A [[Unseen University|school for wizards]]- that works. It was no-one’s idea ''per se'', but it captures the imagination, and is good to use in novels. The reason clichés are so popular is that they are the nuts and bolts of a writer’s toolkit- the ideas are emblazoned on the public consciousness, and are simply used separately by different writers. <br />
As the creator himself said, when questioned about the Rowling/Plagiarism debates: "[When people ask:] So, are you accusing JK Rowling of plagiarism? [I] sigh deeply and say: No. Don't be silly, that's how genres work. Writers have always put a new spin on old ideas. I can think of a dozen pre-Hogwarts 'Magic schools'. Some of them are pre-Unseen University, too. It doesn't matter. No one is stealing from anyone. It's a shared heritage."<br />
<br />
And by its very nature, fantasy fiction draws on the whole vast panoply of the world's mythology, history and folklore, which by its very nature is common heritage and cannot be copyrighted.<br />
<br />
See [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld|''The Folklore of Discworld'']] (with Dr. [[Jacqueline Simpson]]) for further examples of this phenomenon in Discworld.<br />
<br />
==Examples==<br />
* If your gang consists of two people - if it is, in fact, a gangette - one will be the [[Mr. Pin|brains of the outfit]] and one will [[Mr. Tulip|supply the muscle and speak like dis]]. They must both, of course, wear black suits. If there are three of them, this still applies, but the new one will be called Fingers.<br />
* The mediaeval idea of the [[Unseen University|Invisible College]] was a secret society which a seeker after wisdom had to find for himself in order to learn all about sorcery, wizardry and magic. At all stages the neophyte wizard was warned that magic was a tricky thing that could bite back and cause damage. As the price for the Devil providing teaching, one pupil in every class was taken to Hell (the [[Dungeon Dimensions]]?). Echoes of this concept inform both [[Unseen University]] and Hogwarts. <br />
* The [[Hiver]] draws from an ancient Celtic spirit of evil and destruction, previously used by author Alan Garner in his fantasy novel ''The Moon of Gomrath''. If readers of both books have noticed similarities, they would be dead right.<br />
* Both {{NW}} (2005) and ''[[wikipedia:Life on Mars (British TV series)|Life on Mars]]'' (2006-2007) centre on an honest copper - named Sam! - thrown back thirty years in time to right a wrong and enable him to return to his present, exactly as he left it. Sam is confronted with the slightly primitive policing techniques of the past, and introduces elements of sensitive modern policing on a force not quite mentally equipped to accept it. ''Life on Mars'' has plenty of big differences, perhaps most importantly the recurring theme of Sam trying to determine if he has really travelled in time, or if the whole thing is a hallucination.<br />
* In Lindsey Davis’ Roman crime novel ''Saturnalia'', the Lord of Misrule at Saturnalia is “randomly” selected by getting a fateful bean in their lunch. Compare this to those earthly avatars of the [[Hogfather]], who were “randomly” selected for sacrifice by getting the bean. And the Roman Saturnalia and Discworld's Hogswatch are, of course, aspects of the same universal midwinter festival.<br />
<br />
=== Fool’s Guild Mysteries ===<br />
The Fool’s Guild Mysteries series, written by [[wikipedia:Alan Gordon (author)|Alan Gordon]] and beginning with ''Thirteenth Night'' in 1999, feature the fool Feste from Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night solving murders and other mysteries. Feste, given the real name Theophilus, is a member of a secret spy ring of jesters who try to keep peace and control the leaders of different countries. The Fool's Guild of these novels is portrayed as a mockery to the church, and they refer to Jesus Christ as "Their Saviour, the First Fool”. <br />
<br />
This is very similar to some of Pratchett’s post-{{MAA}} ideas about the [[Fools Guild|Fools and Clowns Guild of Ankh-Morpork]], which survives because the Guild's graduates go everywhere, end up in some very high places, and periodically report back to Doctor Whiteface. But Alan Gordon himself says he was not inspired by Pratchett, and his first Fools' Guild short story "The Jester and the Saint” was published in December 1995, and so pre-dating Pratchett’s ideas about the Fool’s Guild working as a spy network (which are most clearly laid out in the ''[[Book:Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001|Discworld Fools' Guild Yearbook and Diary 2001]]'').<br />
<br />
Both authors are also fishing in the stream of history: in German the Narrenzunft or Fools' Guilds were local organisations in towns in the Black Forest region, formed to celebrate Fasnacht, a pre-Christian holiday in midwinter that became co-opted into Mardi Gras later on.<br />
<br />
=== ''Family Guy'' ===<br />
An animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane about Peter Griffin and his dysfunctional family. First broadcast in 1999. <br />
<br />
* One of the main characters is Brian, a talking and (slightly) anthropomorphic dog who is by far the most capable, intelligent, and mature member of the Griffin family. In one episode he is distracted by Lois throwing a ball and yelling "fetch", and he is unable to override his canine instincts and chase it, though he's aware enough of this to curse Lois. This resembles the scene in {{MP}} (1990) where [[Victor Tugelbend]] uses the same trick with a stick to get [[Gaspode]] and [[Laddie]] to safety; Gaspode similarly curses Victor for his deception.<br />
* Death is a recurring character in the series, appearing as a traditional skeleton in a black robe toting a scythe. He lacks the essential gravitas of Discworld's [[Death]].<br />
* In another sequence resembling {{MP}}, another episode features an evil robotic version of Hannah Montana climbing up a very high building carrying a monkey. Both are inversions of the famous sequence in ''[[King Kong]]''.<br />
<br />
=== ''American Dad'' ===<br />
Another animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane. Set in the same universe as ''Family Guy'', following ultra-conservative CIA agent Stan Smith and his family. First broadcast in 2005.<br />
<br />
* Stan's daughter's boyfriend Jeff Smith is an underweight, scraggly bearded hippie. In one episode he claims his "mother ran away before I was born" - a joke used by Pratchett for [[Rincewind]] in {{S}}. (Jeff also plays a not-very-good wizard in an online fantasy roleplaying game.)<br />
* In another episode, Stan's wife Francine and daughter Hayley are competing in a cooking contest, but are both beaten by Roger, the "grey" alien who lives in the family's attic. Roger disguises himself and uses the name Emmylou Sugarbean. This and [[Glenda Sugarbean]] are likely just creating the same cutesy last name; there’s not much other than cooking that links the two characters.<br />
<br />
[[Category:Terry Pratchett]]</div>Guybrushhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Fishing_from_the_same_stream&diff=35119Fishing from the same stream2023-12-20T01:47:31Z<p>Guybrush: /* Examples */ moved Alan Gordon/Fools’s Guild Mysteries stuff here from reverse annotations</p>
<hr />
<div>'''Fishing from the same stream''' is a literary phenomenon that is common among authors- particularly ones from the sci-fi and fantasy genres- that is the source of great discussion from fans, journalists, and lawyers alike.<br />
<br />
Many people believe that the use of this is plagiarism, but nothing could be further from the truth. Terry points out that the stream is like a boiling pot- different writers use its contents, but ‘’do not steal each other’s ideas’’. That is not how ideas function. A [[Unseen University|school for wizards]]- that works. It was no-one’s idea ''per se'', but it captures the imagination, and is good to use in novels. The reason clichés are so popular is that they are the nuts and bolts of a writer’s toolkit- the ideas are emblazoned on the public consciousness, and are simply used separately by different writers. <br />
As the creator himself said, when questioned about the Rowling/Plagiarism debates: "[When people ask:] So, are you accusing JK Rowling of plagiarism? [I] sigh deeply and say: No. Don't be silly, that's how genres work. Writers have always put a new spin on old ideas. I can think of a dozen pre-Hogwarts 'Magic schools'. Some of them are pre-Unseen University, too. It doesn't matter. No one is stealing from anyone. It's a shared heritage."<br />
<br />
And by its very nature, fantasy fiction draws on the whole vast panoply of the world's mythology, history and folklore, which by its very nature is common heritage and cannot be copyrighted.<br />
<br />
See [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld|''The Folklore of Discworld'']] (with Dr. [[Jacqueline Simpson]]) for further examples of this phenomenon in Discworld.<br />
<br />
==Examples==<br />
* If your gang consists of two people - if it is, in fact, a gangette - one will be the [[Mr. Pin|brains of the outfit]] and one will [[Mr. Tulip|supply the muscle and speak like dis]]. They must both, of course, wear black suits. If there are three of them, this still applies, but the new one will be called Fingers.<br />
* The mediaeval idea of the [[Unseen University|Invisible College]] was a secret society which a seeker after wisdom had to find for himself in order to learn all about sorcery, wizardry and magic. At all stages the neophyte wizard was warned that magic was a tricky thing that could bite back and cause damage. As the price for the Devil providing teaching, one pupil in every class was taken to Hell (the [[Dungeon Dimensions]]?). Echoes of this concept inform both [[Unseen University]] and Hogwarts. <br />
* The [[Hiver]] draws from an ancient Celtic spirit of evil and destruction, previously used by author Alan Garner in his fantasy novel ''The Moon of Gomrath''. If readers of both books have noticed similarities, they would be dead right.<br />
* Both {{NW}} (2005) and ''[[wikipedia:Life on Mars (British TV series)|Life on Mars]]'' (2006-2007) centre on an honest copper - named Sam! - thrown back thirty years in time to right a wrong and enable him to return to his present, exactly as he left it. Sam is confronted with the slightly primitive policing techniques of the past, and introduces elements of sensitive modern policing on a force not quite mentally equipped to accept it. ''Life on Mars'' has plenty of big differences, perhaps most importantly the recurring theme of Sam trying to determine if he has really travelled in time, or if the whole thing is a hallucination.<br />
* In Lindsey Davis’ Roman crime novel ''Saturnalia'', the Lord of Misrule at Saturnalia is “randomly” selected by getting a fateful bean in their lunch. Compare this to those earthly avatars of the [[Hogfather]], who were “randomly” selected for sacrifice by getting the bean. And the Roman Saturnalia and Discworld's Hogswatch are, of course, aspects of the same universal midwinter festival.<br />
<br />
=== Fool’s Guild Mysteries ===<br />
The Fool’s Guild Mysteries series, written by [[wikipedia:Alan Gordon (author)|Alan Gordon]] and beginning with ''Thirteenth Night'' in 1999, feature the fool Feste from Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night solving murders and other mysteries. Feste, given the real name Theophilus, is a member of a secret spy ring of jesters who try to keep peace and control the leaders of different countries. The Fool's Guild of these novels is portrayed as a mockery to the church, and they refer to Jesus Christ as "Their Saviour, the First Fool”. <br />
<br />
This is very similar to some of Pratchett’s {{MAA}} era ideas about the [[Fools Guild|Fools and Clowns Guild of Ankh-Morpork]], which survives because the Guild's graduates go everywhere, end up in some very high places, and periodically report back to Doctor Whiteface. But Alan Gordon himself says he was not inspired by Pratchett, and his first Fools' Guild short story "The Jester and the Saint” was published in December 1995, likely pre-dating Pratchett’s Fool’s Guild.<br />
<br />
Both authors are also fishing in the stream of history: in German the Narrenzunft or Fools' Guilds were local organisations in towns in the Black Forest region, formed to celebrate Fasnacht, a pre-Christian holiday in midwinter that became co-opted into Mardi Gras later on.<br />
<br />
=== ''Family Guy'' ===<br />
An animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane about Peter Griffin and his dysfunctional family. First broadcast in 1999. <br />
<br />
* One of the main characters is Brian, a talking and (slightly) anthropomorphic dog who is by far the most capable, intelligent, and mature member of the Griffin family. In one episode he is distracted by Lois throwing a ball and yelling "fetch", and he is unable to override his canine instincts and chase it, though he's aware enough of this to curse Lois. This resembles the scene in {{MP}} (1990) where [[Victor Tugelbend]] uses the same trick with a stick to get [[Gaspode]] and [[Laddie]] to safety; Gaspode similarly curses Victor for his deception.<br />
* Death is a recurring character in the series, appearing as a traditional skeleton in a black robe toting a scythe. He lacks the essential gravitas of Discworld's [[Death]].<br />
* In another sequence resembling {{MP}}, another episode features an evil robotic version of Hannah Montana climbing up a very high building carrying a monkey. Both are inversions of the famous sequence in ''[[King Kong]]''.<br />
<br />
=== ''American Dad'' ===<br />
Another animated sitcom created by Seth McFarlane. Set in the same universe as ''Family Guy'', following ultra-conservative CIA agent Stan Smith and his family. First broadcast in 2005.<br />
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* Stan's daughter's boyfriend Jeff Smith is an underweight, scraggly bearded hippie. In one episode he claims his "mother ran away before I was born" - a joke used by Pratchett for [[Rincewind]] in {{S}}. (Jeff also plays a not-very-good wizard in an online fantasy roleplaying game.)<br />
* In another episode, Stan's wife Francine and daughter Hayley are competing in a cooking contest, but are both beaten by Roger, the "grey" alien who lives in the family's attic. Roger disguises himself and uses the name Emmylou Sugarbean. This and [[Glenda Sugarbean]] are likely just creating the same cutesy last name; there’s not much other than cooking that links the two characters.<br />
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