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Old Dickens: typical Latatian

2023-03-26T16:00:02Z

typical Latatian

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	* "EQUALS 17,857 TONS." - one of the frequent [[57]] references in TP's work		* "EQUALS 17,857 TONS." - one of the frequent [[57]] references in TP's work

	* ''Non Timetus Messor'' - the family motto of the extended Death clan. On p375, (Corgi paperback edition), Susan and Jonathan Teatime have an intense discussion as to the ''good taste'' or otherwise of such a family motto. According to Wikipedia, 'Non Timetus Messor' is dog Latin (~~doggerel~~). The correct version, 'Noli Timere Messorem', appears on Sir Terry's coat of arms [http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Pratchett].		* ''Non Timetus Messor'' - the family motto of the extended Death clan. On p375, (Corgi paperback edition), Susan and Jonathan Teatime have an intense discussion as to the ''good taste'' or otherwise of such a family motto. According to Wikipedia, 'Non Timetus Messor' is dog Latin (like most Latatian in the books). The correct version, 'Noli Timere Messorem', appears on Sir Terry's coat of arms [http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Pratchett].

	* "This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in these parts..." " -- This is a send-up of {{wp\|Pascal's Wager\|Pascal's wager}}, named after the Quirmian, I mean French, mathematician and philosopher {{wp\|Blaise Pascal\|Blaise Pascal}}.		* "This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in these parts..." " -- This is a send-up of {{wp\|Pascal's Wager\|Pascal's wager}}, named after the Quirmian, I mean French, mathematician and philosopher {{wp\|Blaise Pascal\|Blaise Pascal}}.

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	* "EQUALS 17,857 TONS." - one of the frequent [[57]] references in TP's work		* "EQUALS 17,857 TONS." - one of the frequent [[57]] references in TP's work

	* ''Non Timetus Messor'' - the family motto of the extended Death clan. On p375, (Corgi paperback edition), Susan and Jonathan Teatime have an intense discussion as to the ''good taste'' or otherwise of such a family motto.		* ''Non Timetus Messor'' - the family motto of the extended Death clan. On p375, (Corgi paperback edition), Susan and Jonathan Teatime have an intense discussion as to the ''good taste'' or otherwise of such a family motto. According to Wikipedia, 'Non Timetus Messor' is dog Latin (doggerel). The correct version, 'Noli Timere Messorem', appears on Sir Terry's coat of arms [http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Pratchett].

	* "This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in these parts..." " -- This is a send-up of {{wp\|Pascal's Wager\|Pascal's wager}}, named after the Quirmian, I mean French, mathematician and philosopher {{wp\|Blaise Pascal\|Blaise Pascal}}.		* "This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in these parts..." " -- This is a send-up of {{wp\|Pascal's Wager\|Pascal's wager}}, named after the Quirmian, I mean French, mathematician and philosopher {{wp\|Blaise Pascal\|Blaise Pascal}}.

Kwetal: typofix

2022-09-05T20:55:51Z

typofix

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	== Annotations for {{H}}==		== Annotations for {{H}}==

	* Although this is primarily a Death book, PT makes a heroic effort to get as many different characters into this "holiday special" book as possible: eg, the wizards and the Canting Crew (no witches though), as well as mentions of lands from several books (Omnia, Klatch, the Agatean Empire, etc).		* Although this is primarily a Death book, TP makes a heroic effort to get as many different characters into this "holiday special" book as possible: eg, the wizards and the Canting Crew (no witches though), as well as mentions of lands from several books (Omnia, Klatch, the Agatean Empire, etc).

	* "'...yes, Twyla: there is a Hogfather.'". References the 21 September 1897 New York Sun editorial, {{wp\|Yes_Virginia_There_Is_A_Santa_Claus\|Yes, Virginia, There Is a Santa Claus}}		* "'...yes, Twyla: there is a Hogfather.'". References the 21 September 1897 New York Sun editorial, {{wp\|Yes_Virginia_There_Is_A_Santa_Claus\|Yes, Virginia, There Is a Santa Claus}}

Superluser: wistful lying

2021-11-07T22:27:29Z

wistful lying

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	* "This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in these parts..." " -- This is a send-up of {{wp\|Pascal's Wager\|Pascal's wager}}, named after the Quirmian, I mean French, mathematician and philosopher {{wp\|Blaise Pascal\|Blaise Pascal}}.		* "This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in these parts..." " -- This is a send-up of {{wp\|Pascal's Wager\|Pascal's wager}}, named after the Quirmian, I mean French, mathematician and philosopher {{wp\|Blaise Pascal\|Blaise Pascal}}.

			* ''Wistful Lying'' seems to be a play on words. Normally wouldn't be worth noting but the usual phrase is "Wishful thinking," where "wishful" is saying something about the future, while "wist" is properly the past participle of "wit," & fits well with the theme of understanding the past to bring it into the present.

	== [[Roundworld]] References ==		== [[Roundworld]] References ==

Superluser: the wren

2021-11-01T18:08:17Z

the wren

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	Tacticus is clearly Tactics+Tacitus, but I can't get rid of the idea it's also an oblique reference to the military leader Caratacus, famously called Caractacus in the Major-General's Song.		Tacticus is clearly Tactics+Tacitus, but I can't get rid of the idea it's also an oblique reference to the military leader Caratacus, famously called Caractacus in the Major-General's Song.

			p.99 The wren song sounds a lot like "[https://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?songid=4719 Please to See the King]" a carol in which carolers dress a wren in finery & carry it from house to house asking for alms for the king (the wren).

	[http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/hogfather.html ''Hogfather'' Annotations - The Annotated Pratchett File]		[http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/hogfather.html ''Hogfather'' Annotations - The Annotated Pratchett File]

Superluser: Tacticus

2021-10-31T19:12:50Z

Tacticus

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	Susan returns to bed, bitterly thinking "So they were coming back", and tries to ignore the long thread of wax that suggested the candle had, for just a few seconds, streamed in an otherwise non-existent wind, as mandated by [[Narrative Causality]]...		Susan returns to bed, bitterly thinking "So they were coming back", and tries to ignore the long thread of wax that suggested the candle had, for just a few seconds, streamed in an otherwise non-existent wind, as mandated by [[Narrative Causality]]...

			Tacticus is clearly Tactics+Tacitus, but I can't get rid of the idea it's also an oblique reference to the military leader Caratacus, famously called Caractacus in the Major-General's Song.

Lias Bluestone: /* Annotations for {{H}} */

2018-08-17T21:33:03Z

Annotations for {{H}}

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	* ''Non Timetus Messor'' - the family motto of the extended Death clan. On p375, (Corgi paperback edition), Susan and Jonathan Teatime have an intense discussion as to the ''good taste'' or otherwise of such a family motto.		* ''Non Timetus Messor'' - the family motto of the extended Death clan. On p375, (Corgi paperback edition), Susan and Jonathan Teatime have an intense discussion as to the ''good taste'' or otherwise of such a family motto.

			* "This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in these parts..." " -- This is a send-up of {{wp\|Pascal's Wager\|Pascal's wager}}, named after the Quirmian, I mean French, mathematician and philosopher {{wp\|Blaise Pascal\|Blaise Pascal}}.

	== [[Roundworld]] References ==		== [[Roundworld]] References ==

Lias Bluestone: /* Roundworld References */

2018-08-17T21:30:05Z

Roundworld References

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	"The candle flame was streaming out horizontally, as though in a howling wind" (p15)		"The candle flame was streaming out horizontally, as though in a howling wind" (p15)

	''The candle blew and then ~~dissappeared~~;''		''The candle blew and then disappeared;''

	"She looked up. The curtains billowed away from the window, which-		"She looked up. The curtains billowed away from the window, which-
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	"Oh no, not AGAIN. not after all this time, Everything had been going so well-"		"Oh no, not AGAIN. not after all this time, Everything had been going so well-"

	What deters Death from manifesting and completing the verse is the inopportune appearance of Susan's charge [[Twyla]], who wants her to get rid of a monster. It is clear from the context of the above that Death is in the vicinity and wants to see his grand-daughter. Perhaps this is a professional call to collect the soul, or nearest equivalent, from the spider-like monster which Susan then despatches with a poker, just to prove a point to Twyla... Death must then have thought better of manifesting to an angry grand-daughter with attitude and a poker.But the above is almost exactly as per the song...		What deters Death from manifesting and completing the verse is the inopportune appearance of Susan's charge [[Twyla]], who wants her to get rid of a monster. It is clear from the context of the above that Death is in the vicinity and wants to see his grand-daughter. Perhaps this is a professional call to collect the soul, or nearest equivalent, from the spider-like monster which Susan then despatches with a poker, just to prove a point to Twyla... Death must then have thought better of manifesting to an angry grand-daughter with attitude and a poker. But the above is almost exactly as per the song...

	Susan returns to bed, bitterly thinking "So they were coming back", and tries to ignore the long thread of wax that suggested the candle had, for just a few seconds, streamed in an otherwise non-existent wind, as mandated by [[Narrative Causality]]...		Susan returns to bed, bitterly thinking "So they were coming back", and tries to ignore the long thread of wax that suggested the candle had, for just a few seconds, streamed in an otherwise non-existent wind, as mandated by [[Narrative Causality]]...

Old Dickens: alph

2013-09-10T19:42:21Z

alph

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	[[Category:Annotations]]		[[Category:Annotations\|Hogfather/Annotations]]

Anonymous: /* Annotations for {{H}} */

2013-01-13T20:44:08Z

Annotations for {{H}}

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	* "I spent hours with my nose pressed up against the window... until they heard me callin', and unfroze me.", possible reference to a similar scene in {{wp\|A_Christmas_Story\|A Christmas Story}}, where the main character gets his tongue frozen to a flagpole.		* "I spent hours with my nose pressed up against the window... until they heard me callin', and unfroze me.", possible reference to a similar scene in {{wp\|A_Christmas_Story\|A Christmas Story}}, where the main character gets his tongue frozen to a flagpole.

	* "Assault and battery included." - parodies the Roundworld phrases "assault and battery" and "batteries not included". Given the state of electrical technology on the disk, do they really have batteries? Given that the oldest ever battery thus far discovered on Roundworld is dated in the first few centuries AD (the discovery was apparently poorly documented at the time and dating has been done on the style of pottery involved, so is a little vague), it's entirely possible that crude electrochemical cells may well exist on the Discworld. Whether they'd refer to them as "batteries" is another matter.		* "Assault and battery included." - parodies the Roundworld phrases "assault and battery" and "batteries not included". Given the state of electrical technology on the disk, do they really have batteries? Given that the oldest ever battery thus far discovered on Roundworld is dated in the first few centuries AD (the discovery was apparently poorly documented at the time and dating has been done on the style of pottery involved, so is a little vague), it's entirely possible that crude electrochemical cells may well exist on the Discworld. Whether they'd refer to them as "batteries" is another matter. Then again, in an '''assault''' you might find a '''battery''' of crossbows.

	* "Come along, Mr Wizard." - possible reference to Don Herbert, popularly known as {{wp\|Mr_wizard\|"Mr. Wizard"}}. He was an American television personality and hosted two television shows about science aimed at children.		* "Come along, Mr Wizard." - possible reference to Don Herbert, popularly known as {{wp\|Mr_wizard\|"Mr. Wizard"}}. He was an American television personality and hosted two television shows about science aimed at children.