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	Aside from Coin, not many sourcerers have been discussed as individuals. Of these, [[Maligree]] is remembered for his [[Maligree's Wonderful Garden\|Wonderful Garden]] while the Klatchian [[Ajandurah]] is remembered for his [[Ajandurah's Wand of Utter Negativity\|Wand of Utter Negativity]]. Another, unnamed sourcerer led an expedition to Fourecks in centuries past. Another sourcerer cursed several merchants after receiving bad service, forcing them never to close, and instead they became the [[Wandering Shop\|Wandering Shops]] plying their wares across reality. The Evil Emperor of Uberwald has been referred to as a "sorcerer", but whether this is historical fact or mere sloppy spelling is uncertain.		Aside from Coin, not many sourcerers have been discussed as individuals. Of these, [[Maligree]] is remembered for his [[Maligree's Wonderful Garden\|Wonderful Garden]] while the Klatchian [[Ajandurah]] is remembered for his [[Ajandurah's Wand of Utter Negativity\|Wand of Utter Negativity]]. Another, unnamed sourcerer led an expedition to Fourecks in centuries past. Another sourcerer cursed several merchants after receiving bad service, forcing them never to close, and instead they became the [[Wandering Shop\|Wandering Shops]] plying their wares across reality. The Evil Emperor of Uberwald has been referred to as a "sorcerer", but whether this is historical fact or mere sloppy spelling is uncertain.

	During the events of [[Equal Rites]], Archancellor [[Cutangle]] described [[Simon]] as sourceror material. This may have been a metaphor to describe Simon's brilliance, as there is no mention of Simon being the eighth son of ~~an eighth son~~. Or possibly, there are alternative paths to sourcery.		During the events of [[Equal Rites]], Archancellor [[Cutangle]] described [[Simon]] as sourceror material. This may have been a metaphor to describe Simon's brilliance, as there is no mention of Simon being the eighth son of a wizard. Or possibly, there are alternative paths to sourcery.

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	Aside from Coin, not many sourcerers have been discussed as individuals. Of these, [[Maligree]] is remembered for his [[Maligree's Wonderful Garden\|Wonderful Garden]] while the Klatchian [[Ajandurah]] is remembered for his [[Ajandurah's Wand of Utter Negativity\|Wand of Utter Negativity]]. Another, unnamed sourcerer led an expedition to Fourecks in centuries past. Another sourcerer cursed several merchants after receiving bad service, forcing them never to close, and instead they became the [[Wandering Shop\|Wandering Shops]] plying their wares across reality. The Evil Emperor of Uberwald has been referred to as a "sorcerer", but whether this is historical fact or mere sloppy spelling is uncertain.		Aside from Coin, not many sourcerers have been discussed as individuals. Of these, [[Maligree]] is remembered for his [[Maligree's Wonderful Garden\|Wonderful Garden]] while the Klatchian [[Ajandurah]] is remembered for his [[Ajandurah's Wand of Utter Negativity\|Wand of Utter Negativity]]. Another, unnamed sourcerer led an expedition to Fourecks in centuries past. Another sourcerer cursed several merchants after receiving bad service, forcing them never to close, and instead they became the [[Wandering Shop\|Wandering Shops]] plying their wares across reality. The Evil Emperor of Uberwald has been referred to as a "sorcerer", but whether this is historical fact or mere sloppy spelling is uncertain.

			During the events of [[Equal Rites]], Archancellor [[Cutangle]] described [[Simon]] as sourceror material. This may have been a metaphor to describe Simon's brilliance, as there is no mention of Simon being the eighth son of an eighth son. Or possibly, there are alternative paths to sourcery.

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Took out the Rommel analogy which seemed unwarranted and unnecessary.

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	==The Time of the Sourcerer: fall-out and aftermath==		==The Time of the Sourcerer: fall-out and aftermath==

	~~In fact, since~~ the ~~event, a general uneasy~~ amnesia ~~has settled upon wizardhood,~~ the ~~majority~~ of ~~which is happy~~ not to ~~contemplate~~ the ~~part it took or~~ the ~~side it stood on~~.		Following Sourcery the Unseen University had an institutional amnesia regarding the events. Many of the senior staff claim not to have been involved, and indeed entirely unaware of the events - the Dean professed to be visiting his Aunt in Quirm - near Quirm. Not all that near actually. Quite a way along the coast - and the Lecturer in Recent Runes was studying hard behind a thick door. It seems that the faculty did recognise the need for someone to be brought in who was uninvolved with the events of Sourcery and removed from other infighting and squabbles. Ridcully had retired from the UU at age 27 to manage his family estates and had "genuinely been hundreds of miles away during the University’s recent embarrassing history."

	~~It took [[~~Ridcully]]'s ascension to the [[Archchancellor]]ship to change things. Ridcully, a man who genuinely was visiting his sick aunt in [[Quirm]] at the time, is in a position analogous to that of General Rommel. (In [[Roundworld]] history, the one senior German general who could easily have proven he fought a clean war and neither sanctioned nor looked away from war crimes - in fact, in a desert there's not really much to commit a war crime on, and when the SS has been committed in its entirety to faraway Russia, nobody to perform them. It is Rommel's good fortune that he led the Afrika Korps, a German army with, uniquely, no SS component, and is universally acknowledged to have fought a fair and decent war, insofar as war can be fair and decent. This is in comparison to the war in Russia that was occupying his peers' time, which no history has ever called decent, fair, or clean.) Ridcully has some moral authority in this matter. By comparison, the other senior wizards look like the line-up in the dock at Nuremburg, and are guiltily aware of this.		Ridcully ruled on the Rincewind-as-equivalent-to-an-eighth-level-mage thing: he pointed out that this would only apply had he used actual magic to defeat the Sourcerer. A half-brick in a sock is not a magical artifact, therefore we are back to square one, where somebody who in fact failed his degree is pretending to be a wizard.

	This happy set of circumstances is one lever Ridcully uses to enforce compliance, or at least sulky obedience, from the wizards. He could, for instance, cure [[Vetinari]]'s vexatious memory gap concerning a few weeks in his life of which he can genuinely recall nothing. As the Patrician spent those few weeks in the form of a yellow-green lizard imprisoned in a glass jar, he might welcome an opportunity to discuss the matter of his temporary change of species with those wizards who thought this was a good idea at the time, a fact several wizards are hideously aware of, and which must tend to surface from wizardly memory at about three in the morning, following a late cheese supper.

	~~Ridcully also~~ ruled on the Rincewind-as-equivalent-to-an-eighth-level-mage thing: he pointed out that this would only apply had he used actual magic to defeat the Sourcerer. A half-brick in a sock is not a magical artifact, therefore we are back to square one, where somebody who in fact failed his degree is pretending to be a wizard.

	From later inference, it is also highly possible that the [[History Monks]] participated in setting the Discworld to rights and ensuring that to most non-magical people, nothing happened.		From later inference, it is also highly possible that the [[History Monks]] participated in setting the Discworld to rights and ensuring that to most non-magical people, nothing happened.

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	It is well known on the Disc that the eighth son of an eighth son is a born [[Wizard's magic\|wizard]], and that wizards generally don't indulge themselves in love affairs. The reason for this might be that if a wizard were to have sons, all of them would be powerful wizards by birth, and the eighth would be a '''sourcerer''', a wizard squared. Wizards use the magic existing on the Disc to perform spells, but a sourcerer is a source of magic: there is nearly nothing he can't do, as he uses magic he himself generates, making them one of the most powerful entities on the Discworld, especially considering the fact that the magic generated by a sourcerer(it is unknown if magic is generated only when a sourcerer ~~preforms~~ a spell or passively)is new and wild, having never been recycled before, and is thus far more powerful than magic found nearly anywhere on the Disc since the Mage Wars. This led, early on in human history, when raw magic distilled out of the air in enormous quantities, to warfare between Wizards as each strove to be the most powerful. This then is the basis for the adjunct that people given over to affairs of the heart had to give up wizardry. No-one wants a return to those days of tower-building and vast magical warfare. There are parts of the Disc even now that are unsafe, thanks to the after effects of those ancient wars.		It is well known on the Disc that the eighth son of an eighth son is a born [[Wizard's magic\|wizard]], and that wizards generally don't indulge themselves in love affairs. The reason for this might be that if a wizard were to have sons, all of them would be powerful wizards by birth, and the eighth would be a '''sourcerer''', a wizard squared. Wizards use the magic existing on the Disc to perform spells, but a sourcerer is a source of magic: there is nearly nothing he can't do, as he uses magic he himself generates, making them one of the most powerful entities on the Discworld, especially considering the fact that the magic generated by a sourcerer (it is unknown if magic is generated only when a sourcerer performs a spell or passively) is new and wild, having never been recycled before, and is thus far more powerful than magic found nearly anywhere on the Disc since the Mage Wars. This led, early on in human history when raw magic distilled out of the air in enormous quantities, to warfare between Wizards as each strove to be the most powerful. This then is the basis for the adjunct that people given over to affairs of the heart had to give up wizardry. No-one wants a return to those days of tower-building and vast magical warfare. There are parts of the Disc even now that are unsafe, thanks to the after effects of those ancient wars.

	The last known sourcerer was a young boy named [[Coin]], eighth son of [[Ipslore the Red]], who wrought havoc on the Disc, nearly causing the [[Apocralypse]]. It is not widely known, but he was stopped by the wizzard {sic) [[Rincewind]], a famously incompetent student of [[Unseen University]], heavily armed with a half-brick inna sock. Contemplating this fact has caused mental stress to the more thoughtful senior wizards, as it means that Rincewind has triumphed in a duel with such a puissant practitioner of magic that it means, at the very least, that he is the equivalent of an eighth-level mage. This is yet another aspect of the whole Business with the Sourcerer that senior wizards are loath to consider deeply: as such, the level of honour they were prepared to bestow upon Rincewind steadily decreased from a statue to a mention in the honours scrolls to finally being a censure for being improperly dressed on University property.		The last known sourcerer was a young boy named [[Coin]], eighth son of [[Ipslore the Red]], who wrought havoc on the Disc, nearly causing the [[Apocralypse]]. It is not widely known, but he was stopped by the wizzard {sic) [[Rincewind]], a famously incompetent student of [[Unseen University]], heavily armed with a half-brick inna sock. Contemplating this fact has caused mental stress to the more thoughtful senior wizards, as it means that Rincewind has triumphed in a duel with such a puissant practitioner of magic that it means, at the very least, that he is the equivalent of an eighth-level mage. This is yet another aspect of the whole Business with the Sourcerer that senior wizards are loath to consider deeply: as such, the level of honour they were prepared to bestow upon Rincewind steadily decreased from a statue to a mention in the honours scrolls to finally being a censure for being improperly dressed on University property.
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	==The Time of the Sourcerer: fall-out and aftermath==		==The Time of the Sourcerer: fall-out and aftermath==

	In fact, since the event, a general uneasy amnesia has settled upon wizardhood, the majority of which is happy not to ~~deeply~~ contemplate the part it took or the side it stood on.		In fact, since the event, a general uneasy amnesia has settled upon wizardhood, the majority of which is happy not to contemplate the part it took or the side it stood on.

	It took [[Ridcully]]'s ascension to the [[Archchancellor]]ship to change things. Ridcully, a man who genuinely was visiting his sick aunt in [[Quirm]] at the time, is in a position analogous to that of General Rommel. (In [[Roundworld]] history, the one senior German general who could easily have proven he fought a clean war and neither sanctioned nor looked away from war crimes - in fact, in a desert there's not really much to commit a war crime on, and when the SS has been committed in its entirety to faraway Russia, nobody to perform them. It is Rommel's good fortune that he led the Afrika Korps, a German army with, uniquely, no SS component, and is universally acknowledged to have fought a fair and decent war, insofar as war can be fair and decent. This is in comparison to the war in Russia that was occupying his peers' time, which no history has ever called decent, fair, or clean.). Ridcully has some moral authority in this matter. By comparison, the other senior wizards look like the line-up in the dock at Nuremburg, and are guiltily aware of this.		It took [[Ridcully]]'s ascension to the [[Archchancellor]]ship to change things. Ridcully, a man who genuinely was visiting his sick aunt in [[Quirm]] at the time, is in a position analogous to that of General Rommel. (In [[Roundworld]] history, the one senior German general who could easily have proven he fought a clean war and neither sanctioned nor looked away from war crimes - in fact, in a desert there's not really much to commit a war crime on, and when the SS has been committed in its entirety to faraway Russia, nobody to perform them. It is Rommel's good fortune that he led the Afrika Korps, a German army with, uniquely, no SS component, and is universally acknowledged to have fought a fair and decent war, insofar as war can be fair and decent. This is in comparison to the war in Russia that was occupying his peers' time, which no history has ever called decent, fair, or clean.) Ridcully has some moral authority in this matter. By comparison, the other senior wizards look like the line-up in the dock at Nuremburg, and are guiltily aware of this.

	This happy set of circumstances is one lever Ridcully uses to enforce compliance, or at least sulky obedience, from the wizards. He could, for instance, cure [[Vetinari]]'s vexatious memory gap concerning a few weeks in his life of which he can genuinely recall nothing. As the Patrician spent those few weeks in the form of a yellow-green lizard imprisoned in a glass jar, he might welcome an opportunity to discuss the matter of his temporary change of species with those wizards who thought this was a good idea at the time, a fact several wizards are hideously aware of, and which must tend to surface from wizardly memory at about three in the morning, following a late cheese supper.		This happy set of circumstances is one lever Ridcully uses to enforce compliance, or at least sulky obedience, from the wizards. He could, for instance, cure [[Vetinari]]'s vexatious memory gap concerning a few weeks in his life of which he can genuinely recall nothing. As the Patrician spent those few weeks in the form of a yellow-green lizard imprisoned in a glass jar, he might welcome an opportunity to discuss the matter of his temporary change of species with those wizards who thought this was a good idea at the time, a fact several wizards are hideously aware of, and which must tend to surface from wizardly memory at about three in the morning, following a late cheese supper.

Dragonlover553 at 03:13, 24 June 2015

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	It is well known on the Disc that the eighth son of an eighth son is a born [[Wizard's magic\|wizard]], and that wizards generally don't indulge themselves in love affairs. The reason for this might be that if a wizard were to have sons, all of them would be powerful wizards by birth, and the eighth would be a '''sourcerer''', a wizard squared. Wizards use the magic existing on the Disc to perform spells, but a sourcerer is a source of magic: there is nearly nothing he can't do, as he uses magic he himself "generates", making them one of the most powerful entities on the Discworld. This led, early on in human history, when raw magic distilled out of the air in enormous quantities, to warfare between Wizards as each strove to be the most powerful. This then is the basis for the adjunct that people given over to affairs of the heart had to give up wizardry. No-one wants a return to those days of tower-building and vast magical warfare. There are parts of the Disc even now that are unsafe, thanks to the after effects of those ancient wars.		It is well known on the Disc that the eighth son of an eighth son is a born [[Wizard's magic\|wizard]], and that wizards generally don't indulge themselves in love affairs. The reason for this might be that if a wizard were to have sons, all of them would be powerful wizards by birth, and the eighth would be a '''sourcerer''', a wizard squared. Wizards use the magic existing on the Disc to perform spells, but a sourcerer is a source of magic: there is nearly nothing he can't do, as he uses magic he himself generates, making them one of the most powerful entities on the Discworld, especially considering the fact that the magic generated by a sourcerer(it is unknown if magic is generated only when a sourcerer preforms a spell or passively)is new and wild, having never been recycled before, and is thus far more powerful than magic found nearly anywhere on the Disc since the Mage Wars. This led, early on in human history, when raw magic distilled out of the air in enormous quantities, to warfare between Wizards as each strove to be the most powerful. This then is the basis for the adjunct that people given over to affairs of the heart had to give up wizardry. No-one wants a return to those days of tower-building and vast magical warfare. There are parts of the Disc even now that are unsafe, thanks to the after effects of those ancient wars.

	The last known sourcerer was a young boy named [[Coin]], eighth son of [[Ipslore the Red]], who wrought havoc on the Disc, nearly causing the [[Apocralypse]]. It is not widely known, but he was stopped by the wizzard {sic) [[Rincewind]], a famously incompetent student of [[Unseen University]], heavily armed with a half-brick inna sock. Contemplating this fact has caused mental stress to the more thoughtful senior wizards, as it means that Rincewind has triumphed in a duel with such a puissant practitioner of magic that it means, at the very least, that he is the equivalent of an eighth-level mage. This is yet another aspect of the whole Business with the Sourcerer that senior wizards are loath to consider deeply: as such, the level of honour they were prepared to bestow upon Rincewind steadily decreased from a statue to a mention in the honours scrolls to finally being a censure for being improperly dressed on University property.		The last known sourcerer was a young boy named [[Coin]], eighth son of [[Ipslore the Red]], who wrought havoc on the Disc, nearly causing the [[Apocralypse]]. It is not widely known, but he was stopped by the wizzard {sic) [[Rincewind]], a famously incompetent student of [[Unseen University]], heavily armed with a half-brick inna sock. Contemplating this fact has caused mental stress to the more thoughtful senior wizards, as it means that Rincewind has triumphed in a duel with such a puissant practitioner of magic that it means, at the very least, that he is the equivalent of an eighth-level mage. This is yet another aspect of the whole Business with the Sourcerer that senior wizards are loath to consider deeply: as such, the level of honour they were prepared to bestow upon Rincewind steadily decreased from a statue to a mention in the honours scrolls to finally being a censure for being improperly dressed on University property.

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	It is well known on the Disc that the eighth son of an eighth son is a born [[Wizard's magic\|wizard]], and that wizards generally don't indulge themselves in love affairs. The reason for this might be that if a wizard were to have sons, all of them would be powerful wizards by birth, and the eighth would be a '''sourcerer''', a wizard squared. Wizards use the magic existing on the Disc to perform spells, but a sourcerer is a source of magic: there is nearly nothing he can't do, as he uses magic he himself "generates", making them one of the most powerful entities on the Discworld. This led, early on in human history, when raw magic distilled out of the air in enormous quantities, to warfare between Wizards as each strove to be the most powerful. This then is the basis for the adjunct that people given over to affairs of the heart had to give up wizardry. No-one wants a return to those days of tower-building and vast magical warfare. There are parts of the Disc even now that are unsafe, thanks to the after effects of those ancient wars.		It is well known on the Disc that the eighth son of an eighth son is a born [[Wizard's magic\|wizard]], and that wizards generally don't indulge themselves in love affairs. The reason for this might be that if a wizard were to have sons, all of them would be powerful wizards by birth, and the eighth would be a '''sourcerer''', a wizard squared. Wizards use the magic existing on the Disc to perform spells, but a sourcerer is a source of magic: there is nearly nothing he can't do, as he uses magic he himself "generates", making them one of the most powerful entities on the Discworld. This led, early on in human history, when raw magic distilled out of the air in enormous quantities, to warfare between Wizards as each strove to be the most powerful. This then is the basis for the adjunct that people given over to affairs of the heart had to give up wizardry. No-one wants a return to those days of tower-building and vast magical warfare. There are parts of the Disc even now that are unsafe, thanks to the after effects of those ancient wars.

	The last known sourcerer was a young boy named [[Coin]], eighth son of [[Ipslore the Red]], who wrought havoc on the Disc, nearly causing the [[Apocralypse]]. It is not widely known, but he was stopped by the wizzard {sic) [[Rincewind]], a famously incompetent student of [[Unseen University]], heavily armed with a half-brick inna sock. Contemplating this fact has caused mental stress to the more thoughtful senior wizards, as it means that Rincewind has triumphed in a duel with such a puissant practitioner of magic that it means, at the very least, that he is the equivalent of an eighth-level mage. This is yet another aspect of the whole Business with the Sourcerer that senior wizards are ~~loathe~~ to consider deeply: as such, the level of honour they were prepared to bestow upon Rincewind steadily decreased from a statue to a mention in the honours scrolls to finally being a censure for being improperly dressed on University property.		The last known sourcerer was a young boy named [[Coin]], eighth son of [[Ipslore the Red]], who wrought havoc on the Disc, nearly causing the [[Apocralypse]]. It is not widely known, but he was stopped by the wizzard {sic) [[Rincewind]], a famously incompetent student of [[Unseen University]], heavily armed with a half-brick inna sock. Contemplating this fact has caused mental stress to the more thoughtful senior wizards, as it means that Rincewind has triumphed in a duel with such a puissant practitioner of magic that it means, at the very least, that he is the equivalent of an eighth-level mage. This is yet another aspect of the whole Business with the Sourcerer that senior wizards are loath to consider deeply: as such, the level of honour they were prepared to bestow upon Rincewind steadily decreased from a statue to a mention in the honours scrolls to finally being a censure for being improperly dressed on University property.

	==The Time of the Sourcerer: fall-out and aftermath==		==The Time of the Sourcerer: fall-out and aftermath==
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	In fact, since the event, a general uneasy amnesia has settled upon wizardhood, the majority of which is happy not to deeply contemplate the part it took or the side it stood on.		In fact, since the event, a general uneasy amnesia has settled upon wizardhood, the majority of which is happy not to deeply contemplate the part it took or the side it stood on.

	It took [[Ridcully]]'s ascension to the [[Archchancellor]]ship to change things. Ridcully, a man who genuinely was visiting his sick aunt in [[Quirm]] at the time, is in a position ~~analagous~~ to that of General Rommel. (In [[Roundworld]] history, the one senior German general who could easily have proven he fought a clean war and neither sanctioned nor looked away from war crimes - in fact, in a desert there's not really much to commit a war crime on, and when the SS has been committed in its entirety to faraway Russia, nobody to perform them. It is Rommel's good fortune that he led the Afrika Korps, a German army with, uniquely, no SS component, and is universally acknowledged to have fought a fair and decent war, insofar as war can be fair and decent. This is in comparison to the war in Russia that was occupying his peers' time, which no history has ever called decent, fair, or clean.). Ridcully has some moral authority in this matter. By comparison, the other senior wizards look like the line-up in the dock at Nuremburg, and are guiltily aware of this.		It took [[Ridcully]]'s ascension to the [[Archchancellor]]ship to change things. Ridcully, a man who genuinely was visiting his sick aunt in [[Quirm]] at the time, is in a position analogous to that of General Rommel. (In [[Roundworld]] history, the one senior German general who could easily have proven he fought a clean war and neither sanctioned nor looked away from war crimes - in fact, in a desert there's not really much to commit a war crime on, and when the SS has been committed in its entirety to faraway Russia, nobody to perform them. It is Rommel's good fortune that he led the Afrika Korps, a German army with, uniquely, no SS component, and is universally acknowledged to have fought a fair and decent war, insofar as war can be fair and decent. This is in comparison to the war in Russia that was occupying his peers' time, which no history has ever called decent, fair, or clean.). Ridcully has some moral authority in this matter. By comparison, the other senior wizards look like the line-up in the dock at Nuremburg, and are guiltily aware of this.

	This happy set of circumstances is one lever Ridcully uses to enforce compliance, or at least sulky obedience, from the wizards. He could, for instance, cure [[Vetinari]]'s vexatious memory gap concerning a few weeks in his life of which he can genuinely recall nothing. As the Patrician spent those few weeks in the form of a yellow-green lizard imprisoned in a glass jar, he might welcome an opportunity to discuss the matter of his temporary change of species with those wizards who thought this was a good idea at the time, a fact several wizards are hideously aware of, and which must tend to surface from wizardly memory at about three in the morning, following a late cheese supper.		This happy set of circumstances is one lever Ridcully uses to enforce compliance, or at least sulky obedience, from the wizards. He could, for instance, cure [[Vetinari]]'s vexatious memory gap concerning a few weeks in his life of which he can genuinely recall nothing. As the Patrician spent those few weeks in the form of a yellow-green lizard imprisoned in a glass jar, he might welcome an opportunity to discuss the matter of his temporary change of species with those wizards who thought this was a good idea at the time, a fact several wizards are hideously aware of, and which must tend to surface from wizardly memory at about three in the morning, following a late cheese supper.

	Ridcully also ruled on the Rincewind-as-equivalent-to-an-eighth-level-mage thing: he pointed out that this would only apply had he used actual magic to defeat the Sourcerer. A half-brick in a sock is not a magical artifact, therefore we are back to square one, where somebody who in fact failed his degree is pretending to be a wizard.		Ridcully also ruled on the Rincewind-as-equivalent-to-an-eighth-level-mage thing: he pointed out that this would only apply had he used actual magic to defeat the Sourcerer. A half-brick in a sock is not a magical artifact, therefore we are back to square one, where somebody who in fact failed his degree is pretending to be a wizard.
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	==Other Examples==		==Other Examples==

	Aside from Coin, not many sourcerers have been discussed as individuals. Of these, [[Maligree]] is remembered for his [[Maligree's Wonderful Garden\|Wonderful Garden]] while the Klatchian [[Ajandurah]] is remembered for his [[Ajandurah's Wand of Utter Negativity\|Wand of Utter Negativity]]. Another, unnamed sourcerer led an expedition to Fourecks in centuries past. Another sourcerer cursed several merchants after receiving bad service, forcing them never to close, and instead they became the [[Wandering Shop\|Wandering Shops]] plying their wares across reality. The Evil Emperor of Uberwald has been referred to as a "sorcerer", but whether this is historical fact or mere sloppy spelling is uncertain.		Aside from Coin, not many sourcerers have been discussed as individuals. Of these, [[Maligree]] is remembered for his [[Maligree's Wonderful Garden\|Wonderful Garden]] while the Klatchian [[Ajandurah]] is remembered for his [[Ajandurah's Wand of Utter Negativity\|Wand of Utter Negativity]]. Another, unnamed sourcerer led an expedition to Fourecks in centuries past. Another sourcerer cursed several merchants after receiving bad service, forcing them never to close, and instead they became the [[Wandering Shop\|Wandering Shops]] plying their wares across reality. The Evil Emperor of Uberwald has been referred to as a "sorcerer", but whether this is historical fact or mere sloppy spelling is uncertain.

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	In fact, since the event, a general uneasy amnesia has settled upon wizardhood, the majority of which is happy not to deeply contemplate the part it took or the side it stood on.		In fact, since the event, a general uneasy amnesia has settled upon wizardhood, the majority of which is happy not to deeply contemplate the part it took or the side it stood on.

	It took [[Ridcully]]'s ~~acension~~ to the [[Archchancellor]]ship to change things. Ridcully, a man who genuinely was visiting his sick aunt in [[Quirm]] at the time, is in a position analagous to that of General Rommel. (In [[Roundworld]] history, the one senior German general who could easily have proven he fought a clean war and neither sanctioned nor looked away from war crimes - in fact, in a desert there's not really much to commit a war crime on, and when the SS has been committed in its ~~entirity~~ to faraway Russia, nobody to perform them. It is Rommel's good fortune that he led the Afrika Korps, a German army with, uniquely, no SS component, and is universally acknowledged to have fought a fair and decent war, insofar as war can be fair and decent. This is in comparison to the war in Russia that was occupying his peers' time, which no history has ever called decent, fair, or clean.). Ridcully has some moral authority in this matter. By comparison, the other senior wizards look like the line-up in the dock at Nuremburg, and are guiltily aware of this.		It took [[Ridcully]]'s ascension to the [[Archchancellor]]ship to change things. Ridcully, a man who genuinely was visiting his sick aunt in [[Quirm]] at the time, is in a position analagous to that of General Rommel. (In [[Roundworld]] history, the one senior German general who could easily have proven he fought a clean war and neither sanctioned nor looked away from war crimes - in fact, in a desert there's not really much to commit a war crime on, and when the SS has been committed in its entirety to faraway Russia, nobody to perform them. It is Rommel's good fortune that he led the Afrika Korps, a German army with, uniquely, no SS component, and is universally acknowledged to have fought a fair and decent war, insofar as war can be fair and decent. This is in comparison to the war in Russia that was occupying his peers' time, which no history has ever called decent, fair, or clean.). Ridcully has some moral authority in this matter. By comparison, the other senior wizards look like the line-up in the dock at Nuremburg, and are guiltily aware of this.

	This happy set of circumstances is one lever Ridcully uses to enforce compliance, or at least sulky obedience, from the wizards. He could, for instance, cure [[Vetinari]]'s vexatious memory gap concerning a few weeks in his life of which he can genuinely recall nothing. As the Patrician spent those few weeks in the form of a yellow-green lizard imprisoned in a glass jar, he might welcome an opportunity to discuss the matter of his temporary change of species with those wizards who thought this was a good idea at the time, a fact several wizards are hideously aware of, and which must tend to surface from wizardly memory at about three in the morning, following a late cheese supper.		This happy set of circumstances is one lever Ridcully uses to enforce compliance, or at least sulky obedience, from the wizards. He could, for instance, cure [[Vetinari]]'s vexatious memory gap concerning a few weeks in his life of which he can genuinely recall nothing. As the Patrician spent those few weeks in the form of a yellow-green lizard imprisoned in a glass jar, he might welcome an opportunity to discuss the matter of his temporary change of species with those wizards who thought this was a good idea at the time, a fact several wizards are hideously aware of, and which must tend to surface from wizardly memory at about three in the morning, following a late cheese supper.
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	==Other Examples==		==Other Examples==

	Aside from Coin, not many sourcerers have been discussed as individuals. Of these, [[Maligree]] is remembered for his [[Maligree's Wonderful Garden\|Wonderful Garden]] while the Klatchian [[Ajandurah]] is remembered for his [[Ajandurah's Wand of Utter Negativity\|Wand of Utter Negativity]]. Another, unnamed sourcerer led an expedition to Fourecks in centuries past. Another sourcerer cursed several merchants after receiving bad service, forcing them never to close, and instead they became the [[Wandering Shop\|Wandering Shops]] plying their wares across reality. The Evil Emperor of Uberwald has been referred to as a "sorcerer", but whether this is historical fact or mere sloppy spelling is uncertain.		Aside from Coin, not many sourcerers have been discussed as individuals. Of these, [[Maligree]] is remembered for his [[Maligree's Wonderful Garden\|Wonderful Garden]] while the Klatchian [[Ajandurah]] is remembered for his [[Ajandurah's Wand of Utter Negativity\|Wand of Utter Negativity]]. Another, unnamed sourcerer led an expedition to Fourecks in centuries past. Another sourcerer cursed several merchants after receiving bad service, forcing them never to close, and instead they became the [[Wandering Shop\|Wandering Shops]] plying their wares across reality. The Evil Emperor of Uberwald has been referred to as a "sorcerer", but whether this is historical fact or mere sloppy spelling is uncertain.



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It is well known on the Disc that the eighth son of an eighth son is a born [[Wizard's magic|wizard]], and that wizards generally don't indulge themselves in love affairs. The reason for this might be that if a wizard were to have sons, all of them would be powerful wizards by birth, and the eighth would be a '''sourcerer''', a wizard squared. Wizards use the magic existing on the Disc to perform spells, but a sourcerer is a source of magic: there is nearly nothing he can't do, as he uses magic he himself "generates", making them one of the most powerful entities on the Discworld. This led, early on in human history, when raw magic distilled out of the air in enormous quantities, to warfare between Wizards as each strove to be the most powerful. This then is the basis for the adjunct that people given over to affairs of the heart had to give up wizardry. No-one wants a return to those days of tower-building and vast magical warfare. There are parts of the Disc even now that are unsafe, thanks to the after effects of those ancient wars.

The last known sourcerer was a young boy named [[Coin]], eighth son of [[Ipslore the Red]], who wrought havoc on the Disc, nearly causing the [[Apocralypse]]. It is not widely known, but he was stopped by the wizzard {sic) [[Rincewind]], a famously incompetent student of [[Unseen University]], heavily armed with a half-brick inna sock. Contemplating this fact has caused mental stress to the more thoughtful senior wizards, as it means that Rincewind has triumphed in a duel with such a puissant practitioner of magic that it means, at the very least, that he is the equivalent of an eighth-level mage. This is yet another aspect of the whole Business with the Sourcerer that senior wizards are loathe to consider deeply: as such, the level of honour they were prepared to bestow upon Rincewind steadily decreased from a statue to a mention in the honours scrolls to finally being a censure for being improperly dressed on University property.

==The Time of the Sourcerer: fall-out and aftermath==

In fact, since the event, a general uneasy amnesia has settled upon wizardhood, the majority of which is happy not to deeply contemplate the part it took or the side it stood on.

It took [[Ridcully]]'s acension to the [[Archchancellor]]ship to change things. Ridcully, a man who genuinely was visiting his sick aunt in [[Quirm]] at the time, is in a position analagous to that of General Rommel. (In [[Roundworld]] history, the one senior German general who could easily have proven he fought a clean war and neither sanctioned nor looked away from war crimes - in fact, in a desert there's not really much to commit a war crime on, and when the SS has been committed in its entirity to faraway Russia, nobody to perform them. It is Rommel's good fortune that he led the Afrika Korps, a German army with, uniquely, no SS component, and is universally acknowledged to have fought a fair and decent war, insofar as war can be fair and decent. This is in comparison to the war in Russia that was occupying his peers' time, which no history has ever called decent, fair, or clean.). Ridcully has some moral authority in this matter. By comparison, the other senior wizards look like the line-up in the dock at Nuremburg, and are guiltily aware of this.

This happy set of circumstances is one lever Ridcully uses to enforce compliance, or at least sulky obedience, from the wizards. He could, for instance, cure [[Vetinari]]'s vexatious memory gap concerning a few weeks in his life of which he can genuinely recall nothing. As the Patrician spent those few weeks in the form of a yellow-green lizard imprisoned in a glass jar, he might welcome an opportunity to discuss the matter of his temporary change of species with those wizards who thought this was a good idea at the time, a fact several wizards are hideously aware of, and which must tend to surface from wizardly memory at about three in the morning, following a late cheese supper.

Ridcully also ruled on the Rincewind-as-equivalent-to-an-eighth-level-mage thing: he pointed out that this would only apply had he used actual magic to defeat the Sourcerer. A half-brick in a sock is not a magical artifact, therefore we are back to square one, where somebody who in fact failed his degree is pretending to be a wizard.

From later inference, it is also highly possible that the [[History Monks]] participated in setting the Discworld to rights and ensuring that to most non-magical people, nothing happened.

It is not recorded how Discworld Witches dealt with the [[Apocralypse]], although it may be assumed that the Lancre witches would have had jolly firm views on the matter of a Sourcerer seeking to trouble the lives of hard-working [[Lancre]] folk. One assumes they worked out what was going on quite quickly, and took firm and decisive action to protect what was important to them. (See Discussion for further on this.)

==Other Examples==

Aside from Coin, not many sourcerers have been discussed as individuals. Of these, [[Maligree]] is remembered for his [[Maligree's Wonderful Garden|Wonderful Garden]] while the Klatchian [[Ajandurah]] is remembered for his [[Ajandurah's Wand of Utter Negativity|Wand of Utter Negativity]]. Another, unnamed sourcerer led an expedition to Fourecks in centuries past. Another sourcerer cursed several merchants after receiving bad service, forcing them never to close, and instead they became the [[Wandering Shop|Wandering Shops]] plying their wares across reality. The Evil Emperor of Uberwald has been referred to as a "sorcerer", but whether this is historical fact or mere sloppy spelling is uncertain.

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