Talk:Ankh-Morpork Neighbourhoods - Revision history

Old Dickens at 01:58, 5 June 2023

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	Yes, I also made the original image :)		::Yes, I also made the original image :)
	The size of the file shown on the article page is actually only the 70KB "preview" version (400px-Ankh-Morpork-Neighbourhood.jpg). So this should not affect the page load speed, while still giving people a higher resolution image if they wish. I'll confess, it's been a long time since I really studied any this, so apologies if I've got stuff wrong.		::The size of the file shown on the article page is actually only the 70KB "preview" version (400px-Ankh-Morpork-Neighbourhood.jpg). So this should not affect the page load speed, while still giving people a higher resolution image if they wish. I'll confess, it's been a long time since I really studied any this, so apologies if I've got stuff wrong.

	"This derivative Ankh-Morpork board game seems to be the main source of the new version". The map is an SVG tracing of the official street map. The named areas are from the board game.		::"This derivative Ankh-Morpork board game seems to be the main source of the new version". The map is an SVG tracing of the official street map. The named areas are from the board game.
	* Unreal Estate is "oversized" - agreed. Perhaps the section above Broad Marsh can become part of Dolly Sisters?		::* Unreal Estate is "oversized" - agreed. Perhaps the section above Broad Marsh can become part of Dolly Sisters?
	* Yes, New Brickfields, Hippo, Longwall do seem "convenient names" to use.		::* Yes, New Brickfields, Hippo, Longwall do seem "convenient names" to use.
	* The Gods Quarter I'm also not happy with, I'd say that's only the top section. Maybe the bottom area could be Cockled Moor? (can't be any worse than The Hippo).		::* The Gods Quarter I'm also not happy with, I'd say that's only the top section. Maybe the bottom area could be Cockled Moor? (can't be any worse than The Hippo).
	* Other comments on this page give a strong argument for a Dwarves Quarter. I guess that would be the section between the river and Treacle Mine Road/Cheap Street/God Street, stopping at Short Street. However, that would then make The Scours much smaller, but seems reasonable.		::* Other comments on this page give a strong argument for a Dwarves Quarter. I guess that would be the section between the river and Treacle Mine Road/Cheap Street/God Street, stopping at Short Street. However, that would then make The Scours much smaller, but seems reasonable.
	Maybe we should also add a comment to the page noting that these districts are not conical?		::Maybe we should also add a comment to the page noting that these districts are not conical? There's a lot of imprecise info which I guess people will interpret differently. I did what I thought was reasonable :) but, I'm happy to make whatever changes are agreed upon. [[User:MrCook\|MrCook]] ([[User talk:MrCook\|talk]]) 16:27, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
	There's a lot of imprecise info which I guess people will interpret differently. I did what I thought was reasonable :) but, I'm happy to make whatever changes are agreed upon. [[User:MrCook\|MrCook]] ([[User talk:MrCook\|talk]]) 16:27, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
			Perhaps the easiest solution would be to state that the names are taken from the game and not canon; I don't know why we'd be publishing conjecture from any source as fact. I've made the same complaint in other areas and the problem is likely to grow as more vultures create travesties of The Author's work. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 01:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

MrCook: responding to map update comments

2023-06-04T16:27:19Z

responding to map update comments

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	What mediaeval city walls evolved into:- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_fort]		What mediaeval city walls evolved into:- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_fort]

	==2 Jun 2023==		==Jun 2023 Map Update==
	I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>		I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>
	Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
	:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]], which also includes “The Hippo” and “Longwall” as district names, in the same places. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]], which also includes “The Hippo” and “Longwall” as district names, in the same places. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
	There are myriad sources of external opinion, in peripherals, fan fiction, and our own discussion pages. Why should any one of them be adopted without canonical reference or explication? This derivative [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]] seems to be the main source of the new version. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 04:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)		There are myriad sources of external opinion, in peripherals, fan fiction, and our own discussion pages. Why should any one of them be adopted without canonical reference or explication? This derivative [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]] seems to be the main source of the new version. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 04:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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			Yes, I also made the original image :)
			The size of the file shown on the article page is actually only the 70KB "preview" version (400px-Ankh-Morpork-Neighbourhood.jpg). So this should not affect the page load speed, while still giving people a higher resolution image if they wish. I'll confess, it's been a long time since I really studied any this, so apologies if I've got stuff wrong.

			"This derivative Ankh-Morpork board game seems to be the main source of the new version". The map is an SVG tracing of the official street map. The named areas are from the board game.
			* Unreal Estate is "oversized" - agreed. Perhaps the section above Broad Marsh can become part of Dolly Sisters?
			* Yes, New Brickfields, Hippo, Longwall do seem "convenient names" to use.
			* The Gods Quarter I'm also not happy with, I'd say that's only the top section. Maybe the bottom area could be Cockled Moor? (can't be any worse than The Hippo).
			* Other comments on this page give a strong argument for a Dwarves Quarter. I guess that would be the section between the river and Treacle Mine Road/Cheap Street/God Street, stopping at Short Street. However, that would then make The Scours much smaller, but seems reasonable.
			Maybe we should also add a comment to the page noting that these districts are not conical?
			There's a lot of imprecise info which I guess people will interpret differently. I did what I thought was reasonable :) but, I'm happy to make whatever changes are agreed upon. [[User:MrCook\|MrCook]] ([[User talk:MrCook\|talk]]) 16:27, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Old Dickens at 04:19, 4 June 2023

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	Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
	:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]], which also includes “The Hippo” and “Longwall” as district names, in the same places. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]], which also includes “The Hippo” and “Longwall” as district names, in the same places. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
			There are myriad sources of external opinion, in peripherals, fan fiction, and our own discussion pages. Why should any one of them be adopted without canonical reference or explication? This derivative [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]] seems to be the main source of the new version. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 04:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Guybrush: /* 2 Jun 2023 */

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	I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>		I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>
	Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
	:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the Ankh-Morpork board game, which also includes “The Hippo” and “Longwall” as district names, in the same places. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]], which also includes “The Hippo” and “Longwall” as district names, in the same places. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Guybrush: /* 2 Jun 2023 */

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	I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>		I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>
	Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
	:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the Ankh-Morpork ~~boardgame~~, which also includes “The Hippo” as ~~one of its districts~~. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the Ankh-Morpork board game, which also includes “The Hippo” and “Longwall” as district names, in the same places. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Guybrush: /* 2 Jun 2023 */

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	I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>		I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>
	Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
	:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the Ankh-Morpork boardgame, which also includes “The Hippo” as one of its districts. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. ~~Those~~ were devised based on existing material but for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them ~~map directly to what citizens might use~~; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which ~~doesn’t appear to be~~ just the game - ought to be ~~cited~~, at least? ~~Pretty sure the game isn’t canonical, as much as it’s officially licensed.~~ — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the Ankh-Morpork boardgame, which also includes “The Hippo” as one of its districts. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Guybrush: /* 2 Jun 2023 */

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	I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>		I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>
	Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
	:The new image appears to be based ~~pretty directly~~ on the map from the Ankh-Morpork boardgame, which also includes “The Hippo” as one of its ~~regions~~. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. Those ~~regions~~ were ~~invented~~ for game purposes ~~and~~ not all of them map directly to what citizens might use; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration ought to be cited, at least? ~~The~~ game isn’t canonical ~~after all~~, as much as it’s officially licensed. — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the Ankh-Morpork boardgame, which also includes “The Hippo” as one of its districts. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. Those were devised based on existing material but for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them map directly to what citizens might use; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which doesn’t appear to be just the game - ought to be cited, at least? Pretty sure the game isn’t canonical, as much as it’s officially licensed. — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Guybrush: /* 2 Jun 2023 */

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	I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>		I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>
	Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
			:The new image appears to be based pretty directly on the map from the Ankh-Morpork boardgame, which also includes “The Hippo” as one of its regions. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. Those regions were invented for game purposes and not all of them map directly to what citizens might use; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration ought to be cited, at least? The game isn’t canonical after all, as much as it’s officially licensed. — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Old Dickens: quibbles

2023-06-03T00:59:11Z

quibbles

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	What mediaeval city walls evolved into:- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_fort]		What mediaeval city walls evolved into:- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_fort]

			==2 Jun 2023==
			I have some difficulty with the new map apart from the oversized file, especially the oversized Unreal Estate, which seemed to be a small field in the hubward-by-turnwise corner of the university campus. The Hippo might be a convenient name for the surrounding area, but I don't think it's canonical, likewise gods quarter. New Brickyards is useful.<BR>
			Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Old Dickens: avoid spam filter

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avoid spam filter

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	** The Shades are fairly large, yes. I'm not getting my copy of the AM map out, but as this is based on that map I don't doubt the size of the Shades. --[[User:Sanity\|Sanity]] 21:32, 16 August 2006 (CEST)		** The Shades are fairly large, yes. I'm not getting my copy of the AM map out, but as this is based on that map I don't doubt the size of the Shades. --[[User:Sanity\|Sanity]] 21:32, 16 August 2006 (CEST)

	Even within the Shades their are differences of ~~outlook~~ and opinion. Vimes' birthplace on Cockbill Street is technically part of the Shades, but in context represents an area where pride among the desperately poor outweighs tendency to illegality - no Cockbill Street person would get involved in crime for fear of being shamed in the eyes of the neighbours if found out. So we have a law-abiding part of the Shades, a cut above the older more evil and immoral streets to its hubwards? --[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 21:55, 16 January 2011 (CET)		Even within the Shades their are differences of outlσσk and opinion. Vimes' birthplace on Cockbill Street is technically part of the Shades, but in context represents an area where pride among the desperately poor outweighs tendency to illegality - no Cockbill Street person would get involved in crime for fear of being shamed in the eyes of the neighbours if found out. So we have a law-abiding part of the Shades, a cut above the older more evil and immoral streets to its hubwards? --[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 21:55, 16 January 2011 (CET)

	==Ankh and Morpork==		==Ankh and Morpork==

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	Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		Is this the same Mr Cook who did the original? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 00:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
	:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]], which also includes “The Hippo” and “Longwall” as district names, in the same places. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)		:The new image appears to be based at least partly on the map from the [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]], which also includes “The Hippo” and “Longwall” as district names, in the same places. See for example [https://boardgamegeek.com/image/1095852/discworld-ankh-morpork this photo]. It has the same number and general locations of districts, but not all the names match. The game’s regions were devised based on existing material, but also primarily for game purposes, so it’s not clear if all of them agree with canonical areas; I’ll compare to the original and updated official maps I have. I think the inspiration - which isn’t just the game - ought to be provided, at least? — [[User:Guybrush\|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush\|talk]]) 22:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
			There are myriad sources of external opinion, in peripherals, fan fiction, and our own discussion pages. Why should any one of them be adopted without canonical reference or explication? This derivative [[Game:Discworld Ankh-Morpork\|Ankh-Morpork board game]] seems to be the main source of the new version. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 04:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)