Talk:Book:Raising Steam/Annotations - Revision history

AlanD: /* Another source */

2018-12-03T15:08:16Z

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	Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the ~~title~~ of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.<br />		Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His 1802 Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the accolade of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.<br />

	I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).--[[User:AlanD\|AlanD]] ([[User talk:AlanD\|talk]]) 14:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)		I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a modern railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).--[[User:AlanD\|AlanD]] ([[User talk:AlanD\|talk]]) 14:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

AlanD: /* Another source */

2018-12-03T14:59:15Z

Another source

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	Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the title of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.<br />		Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the title of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.<br />

	I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).		I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).--[[User:AlanD\|AlanD]] ([[User talk:AlanD\|talk]]) 14:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

AlanD: /* A strange thing */

2018-12-03T14:58:52Z

A strange thing

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	I think you're reading an awful lot into Paul Kidby's cover, showing Moist von Lipwig in yet another triumphant pose. I certainly can't see any resemblance to a swastika. You could always ask the man himself, who has a a strong presence on social media. Terry undoubtedly saw and approved the cover though, so your unsettling thoughts will have to include him as well. They became friends, and Terry always said that Paul "nearly always gets the characters right, looking like what I've seen in my mind".		I think you're reading an awful lot into Paul Kidby's cover, showing Moist von Lipwig in yet another triumphant pose. I certainly can't see any resemblance to a swastika. You could always ask the man himself, who has a a strong presence on social media. Terry undoubtedly saw and approved the cover though, so your unsettling thoughts will have to include him as well. They became friends, and Terry always said that Paul "nearly always gets the characters right, looking like what I've seen in my mind". --[[User:AlanD\|AlanD]] ([[User talk:AlanD\|talk]]) 14:58, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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AlanD: /* A strange thing */

2018-12-03T14:58:06Z

A strange thing

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	Hmm. Such idealised heroic poses are common in totalitarian art of the 1930's and 40's, in the case of the USSR almost up to the 80's. Propaganda posters from Italy, Germany and Russia invariably show craggy handsome well-nourished workers triumphantly posing in front of the heavy machinery they are creating and the power they are taming for the glory of the State. Posing them to evoke the symbol of the State seems to be a common artistic device: some Soviet posters explicitly make the link of a worker with two legs, two arms and head evoking the five points of the Red Star. A worker with right arm bent at the elbow and flexed ''up'', left arm flexed at the elbow and pointing slightly ''down'', and legs flexed in a slightly strained semi-kneeling crouch to look a little bit like a swastika.... I wonder what sort of allusion the cover artist was making here to an industrialised (benign) dictatorship discovering heavy machinery and making its Industrial Revolution? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 09:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)		Hmm. Such idealised heroic poses are common in totalitarian art of the 1930's and 40's, in the case of the USSR almost up to the 80's. Propaganda posters from Italy, Germany and Russia invariably show craggy handsome well-nourished workers triumphantly posing in front of the heavy machinery they are creating and the power they are taming for the glory of the State. Posing them to evoke the symbol of the State seems to be a common artistic device: some Soviet posters explicitly make the link of a worker with two legs, two arms and head evoking the five points of the Red Star. A worker with right arm bent at the elbow and flexed ''up'', left arm flexed at the elbow and pointing slightly ''down'', and legs flexed in a slightly strained semi-kneeling crouch to look a little bit like a swastika.... I wonder what sort of allusion the cover artist was making here to an industrialised (benign) dictatorship discovering heavy machinery and making its Industrial Revolution? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 09:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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			I think you're reading an awful lot into Paul Kidby's cover, showing Moist von Lipwig in yet another triumphant pose. I certainly can't see any resemblance to a swastika. You could always ask the man himself, who has a a strong presence on social media. Terry undoubtedly saw and approved the cover though, so your unsettling thoughts will have to include him as well. They became friends, and Terry always said that Paul "nearly always gets the characters right, looking like what I've seen in my mind".

	==Right Here, Right Now==		==Right Here, Right Now==

AlanD: /* Another source */

2018-12-03T13:20:41Z

Another source

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	Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the title of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.		Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the title of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.<br />

	I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).		I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).

AlanD: /* Another source */

2018-12-03T13:20:15Z

Another source

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	Wikipedia just spit out the name of {{wp\|Richard_Trevithick\|Richard Trevithick}}, who sounds like a Roundworld source for Dick Simnel. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)		Wikipedia just spit out the name of {{wp\|Richard_Trevithick\|Richard Trevithick}}, who sounds like a Roundworld source for Dick Simnel. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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	Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the title of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.		Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the title of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.
	I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).		I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).

AlanD: /* Another source */

2018-12-03T13:19:57Z

Another source

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	Wikipedia just spit out the name of {{wp\|Richard_Trevithick\|Richard Trevithick}}, who sounds like a Roundworld source for Dick Simnel. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)		Wikipedia just spit out the name of {{wp\|Richard_Trevithick\|Richard Trevithick}}, who sounds like a Roundworld source for Dick Simnel. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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	Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the title of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.		Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the title of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.
	I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).		I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).

AlanD: /* Another source */

2018-12-03T13:19:09Z

Another source

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	Wikipedia just spit out the name of {{wp\|Richard_Trevithick\|Richard Trevithick}}, who sounds like a Roundworld source for Dick Simnel. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)		Wikipedia just spit out the name of {{wp\|Richard_Trevithick\|Richard Trevithick}}, who sounds like a Roundworld source for Dick Simnel. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
			Cornishman Richard Trevithick is one of the pioneers of steam, and well known to any steam fan. His engines predate Stephenson's, but without steel for rails, the cast-iron plateways he used were unable to support the engines reliably and suffered many breakages. His Pen-y-Darren locomotive is usually given the title of first successful railway locomotive. His fourth and final locomotive, Catch-me-who-can, was used to give rides to paying thrill-seekers on a circular track in London. This is undoubtedly the source for Iron Girder's exploits in Harry King's yard.
			I think that Dick Simnel is a combination of Trevithick, George Stephenson, the unlettered engineer from Killingworth who finally assembled all the components of a railway locomotive and made it work, and George's son Robert, also a railway engineer, who even has the same initials. George, self-educated, suffered ridicule for his Northern accent at the Parliamentary hearings for the Liverpool and Manchester railway bill, and made sure that his son had the education he'd never had (and learned alongside him too).

Old Dickens: The Cornish Dick Simnel

2016-02-21T02:01:37Z

The Cornish Dick Simnel

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	I think this is more likely to be a reference to the Jesus Jones song, which has changing times as its theme and contains the lyrics "Right here, right now/Watching the world wake up from history." [[User:Metz77\|Metz77]] ([[User talk:Metz77\|talk]]) 05:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)		I think this is more likely to be a reference to the Jesus Jones song, which has changing times as its theme and contains the lyrics "Right here, right now/Watching the world wake up from history." [[User:Metz77\|Metz77]] ([[User talk:Metz77\|talk]]) 05:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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			Wikipedia just spit out the name of {{wp\|Richard_Trevithick\|Richard Trevithick}}, who sounds like a Roundworld source for Dick Simnel. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Metz77 at 05:25, 7 September 2015

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	Hmm. Such idealised heroic poses are common in totalitarian art of the 1930's and 40's, in the case of the USSR almost up to the 80's. Propaganda posters from Italy, Germany and Russia invariably show craggy handsome well-nourished workers triumphantly posing in front of the heavy machinery they are creating and the power they are taming for the glory of the State. Posing them to evoke the symbol of the State seems to be a common artistic device: some Soviet posters explicitly make the link of a worker with two legs, two arms and head evoking the five points of the Red Star. A worker with right arm bent at the elbow and flexed ''up'', left arm flexed at the elbow and pointing slightly ''down'', and legs flexed in a slightly strained semi-kneeling crouch to look a little bit like a swastika.... I wonder what sort of allusion the cover artist was making here to an industrialised (benign) dictatorship discovering heavy machinery and making its Industrial Revolution? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 09:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)		Hmm. Such idealised heroic poses are common in totalitarian art of the 1930's and 40's, in the case of the USSR almost up to the 80's. Propaganda posters from Italy, Germany and Russia invariably show craggy handsome well-nourished workers triumphantly posing in front of the heavy machinery they are creating and the power they are taming for the glory of the State. Posing them to evoke the symbol of the State seems to be a common artistic device: some Soviet posters explicitly make the link of a worker with two legs, two arms and head evoking the five points of the Red Star. A worker with right arm bent at the elbow and flexed ''up'', left arm flexed at the elbow and pointing slightly ''down'', and legs flexed in a slightly strained semi-kneeling crouch to look a little bit like a swastika.... I wonder what sort of allusion the cover artist was making here to an industrialised (benign) dictatorship discovering heavy machinery and making its Industrial Revolution? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 09:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

			==Right Here, Right Now==
			I think this is more likely to be a reference to the Jesus Jones song, which has changing times as its theme and contains the lyrics "Right here, right now/Watching the world wake up from history." [[User:Metz77\|Metz77]] ([[User talk:Metz77\|talk]]) 05:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)