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Old Dickens: no Death?

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	== Year? ==		== Year? ==
			I've noticed that the [[Discworld Timeline]] page stops at 1991, and in an attempt to work out the dates for more recent books have come to the conclusion Snuff takes place between 1996 UC and 1997 UC (thank goodness for Young Sam being born in 1990 UC and being stated as being 6 years old in this book). Would it perhaps be possible to add some more pages to the Timeline category page to try and get some of the more recent books/events dated? It also seems an oddly long gap between books in the timeline - The last date I've got (from the timeline) is 1991 for Going Postal, Monstrous Regiment and Thud, then there's a gap of 5 years roughly (in which to fit Making Money and Unseen Academicals) and then we've got this one possibly in 1996 and Raising Steam at some point after that.--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 18:57, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

	~~I've noticed~~ that ~~the~~ [[~~Discworld Timeline~~]] page stops at 1991, and in an attempt to work out the dates for more recent books have come to the conclusion Snuff takes place between 1996 UC and 1997 UC (thank goodness for Young Sam being born in 1990 UC and being stated as being 6 years old in this book). Would it perhaps be possible to add some more pages to the Timeline category page to try and get some of the more recent books/events dated? It also seems an oddly long gap between books in the timeline - The last date I'~~ve got (from the timeline) is 1991 for Going Postal~~, ~~Monstrous Regiment and Thud, then~~ there's a ~~gap of 5 years roughly (in which to fit Making Money and Unseen Academicals) and then we've got this one possibly in 1996 and Raising Steam at some point after that.~~--[[User:~~GallifreyanWitch~~\|~~Verity~~]] ([[User talk:~~GallifreyanWitch~~\|talk]]) 18:57, 19 February ~~2014~~ (UTC)		==O Death, where==
			It has been pointed out that [[Death]] does not appear in this book with lots of death. Gravid Rust's visit would have been a little later, but various others were omitted. Is there a reason? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 03:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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	:::Personally I'm almost expecting to have Willikins be the villain of the next book with Vimes. Vimes has gone too careless and too trusting of his butler for things to end up well...Yes, it's cliched, but not as cliched as the concept of 'he has become such a big hero that no one dares to cross him ever'--[[User:LilMaibe\|LilMaibe]] 13:13, 23 April 2012 (CEST)		:::Personally I'm almost expecting to have Willikins be the villain of the next book with Vimes. Vimes has gone too careless and too trusting of his butler for things to end up well...Yes, it's cliched, but not as cliched as the concept of 'he has become such a big hero that no one dares to cross him ever'--[[User:LilMaibe\|LilMaibe]] 13:13, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

			== Year? ==

			I've noticed that the [[Discworld Timeline]] page stops at 1991, and in an attempt to work out the dates for more recent books have come to the conclusion Snuff takes place between 1996 UC and 1997 UC (thank goodness for Young Sam being born in 1990 UC and being stated as being 6 years old in this book). Would it perhaps be possible to add some more pages to the Timeline category page to try and get some of the more recent books/events dated? It also seems an oddly long gap between books in the timeline - The last date I've got (from the timeline) is 1991 for Going Postal, Monstrous Regiment and Thud, then there's a gap of 5 years roughly (in which to fit Making Money and Unseen Academicals) and then we've got this one possibly in 1996 and Raising Steam at some point after that.--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 18:57, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Old Dickens: 24 revisions: getting the hang of it

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24 revisions: getting the hang of it

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I wonder if the title will survive considering [http://www.amazon.com/Snuff-Chuck-Palahniuk/dp/0307275841/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1296350086&sr=1-1 this one]. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 03:02, 30 January 2011 (CET)

Ah. There are now, seemingly, at least ''three'' meanings to the word "snuff". --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 15:35, 30 January 2011 (CET)
But Terry, rather thankfuly, spares us the third...--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 14:00, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

Ah. Vimes investigating a murder, or series of, in an upscale country mansion house.

Which way will it leap?

"I accuse Colonel Rustard, in the library, with the lead pipe!"

Or will he be upstaged either by a nosy old lady, or by a portly, fussily dressed, amateur detective from the Sto Kerrig/Quirm borders, who will assemble everyone in the library and - in a heavy Quirmian accent - forensically dissect the evidence, progressively eliminating people from any active culpability, until only one suspect remains? Everyone, including Vimes, wil be a suspect, naturally! (In which case, Vimes is reduced to the status of he well-meaning but essentially thick local plod who officially makes the arrest after either Poirot or Miss Marple have done the detective work...) --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 17:34, 3 March 2011 (CET)

Wrong all the way! But glad I was... --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 13:58, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

== Continuity ==

I've found terry's lax attitude to continuity to be a bit jarring on occasion. In this book several mentions are made to sending young Sam to University specifically to become a wizard. This is obviously quite different from some of the earlier books which stated that you had to be the seventh son of a seventh son to become a wizard. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 05:13, 21 October 2011 (CEST)

Haven't that changed gradually a bit over time, and never been the only way to be a wizard? Anyway. I haven't read it through yet but after reading more then half. It's never stated as a fact or said by any wizard or representative from UU, but rather by people i the Vimes household who says it. Maybe they have contacts, or maybe they don't consider or know of any policy from UU or how magic works? [[User:Ttias|Ttias]] 12:56, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

:To be honest, continuity completely jumped off the Disc in UA already. Only constant that remained: You have to be able to DO magic. (It was 8th son's 8th son on the Disc, btw). If sam jr can't even see octarin, his father should be concerned about people around him wanting his son dead. Trying to study at the UU without any skills in magic is, well, suicide.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 13:38, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

::From what I'm aware of, the "eighth son of the eighth son" rule applies to sourcerers (''sic''), not wizards. And ''his'' father ''must'' be a wizard. (See the "Magic" entry in {{DC}}.) --[[User:C3POwen|C3POwen]] 18:25, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

::: Eight son's eight son = wizards. Eight son's eight son's eight son=sourcerer.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 19:02, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

:::: What about Victor Tugelbend in MP, who becomes a (student) wizard despite having no magical background?

::::: We can assume that he at least brings the basics for a wizard with him. Otherwise he would have never been accepted, no matter who his uncle was.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 17:15, 22 April 2012 (CEST)

But the focus at the University appears to have gradually shifted, under Ridcully, from magic to science? Magic is still there running things, but the emphasis appears to have shifted to understanding how it works rather using it for its own sake. And in all the books he has appeared in so far, has Ponder Stibbons ever done even ''one'' old-time spell, or indeed been seen wih a staff? Ponder represents a new generation of wizards whose skills are otherwise directed; young Sam might fit in brilliantly with such a tutor?--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 13:58, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

:Yes, we see Ponder do actual magic. Or at least him preparing to do so. In Last Continent, when he's finally fed up with the situation.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 14:25, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

== Absent Character? ==

I just realized that [[Death]] never seems to appear in this book (well, as a character).

Or did I just miss his cameo? Can some other fan double-check that? I think he was in every book before (except the Wee-Free Men of course). [[User:CharonX|CharonX]] 02:01, 9 November 2011 (CET)
:Unfortunately he doesn't appear in Snuff, I actually found this really disappointing and am more than a little curious why Terry did this. On a happier note, welcome to this little corner of [[l-space]] --[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] 02:46, 9 November 2011 (CET)

It has been suggested (Ref. {{SN}} Annotations page} that Vimes, on at least two occassions in the book, is revisiting Death's persdonal epiphany in {{RM}} - could it be that Sam is covering the post on behalf of? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 02:15, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

: I hope not. Vimes already got a disgusting heap of superpowers. If he becomes some sort of Death's right hand it's a clear sign Discworld needs to end.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 07:23, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

::I was wonder if at some point something will 'check' Vimes and make him seem more human again. Because as they say ''the higher you go the harder you fall'' and Vimes has gone very high. ---[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] 07:35, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

:::Personally I'm almost expecting to have Willikins be the villain of the next book with Vimes. Vimes has gone too careless and too trusting of his butler for things to end up well...Yes, it's cliched, but not as cliched as the concept of 'he has become such a big hero that no one dares to cross him ever'--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 13:13, 23 April 2012 (CEST)

Zdm: /* Absent Character? */

2012-04-23T05:35:58Z

Absent Character?

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AgProv: /* Absent Character? */

2012-04-23T00:15:04Z

Absent Character?

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Stanley Howler: /* Continuity */

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Continuity

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	::: Eight son's eight son = wizards. Eight son's eight son's eight son=sourcerer.--[[User:LilMaibe\|LilMaibe]] 19:02, 24 October 2011 (CEST)		::: Eight son's eight son = wizards. Eight son's eight son's eight son=sourcerer.--[[User:LilMaibe\|LilMaibe]] 19:02, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

			:::: What about Victor Tugelbend in MP, who becomes a (student) wizard despite having no magical background?

	But the focus at the University appears to have gradually shifted, under Ridcully, from magic to science? Magic is still there running things, but the emphasis appears to have shifted to understanding how it works rather using it for its own sake. And in all the books he has appeared in so far, has Ponder Stibbons ever done even ''one'' old-time spell, or indeed been seen wih a staff? Ponder represents a new generation of wizards whose skills are otherwise directed; young Sam might fit in brilliantly with such a tutor?--[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 13:58, 24 October 2011 (CEST)		But the focus at the University appears to have gradually shifted, under Ridcully, from magic to science? Magic is still there running things, but the emphasis appears to have shifted to understanding how it works rather using it for its own sake. And in all the books he has appeared in so far, has Ponder Stibbons ever done even ''one'' old-time spell, or indeed been seen wih a staff? Ponder represents a new generation of wizards whose skills are otherwise directed; young Sam might fit in brilliantly with such a tutor?--[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 13:58, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

Zdm: /* Absent Character? */ Unfortunately no.

2011-11-09T01:46:38Z

Absent Character?: Unfortunately no.

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I wonder if the title will survive considering [http://www.amazon.com/Snuff-Chuck-Palahniuk/dp/0307275841/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1296350086&sr=1-1 this one]. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] 03:02, 30 January 2011 (CET)

Ah. There are now, seemingly, at least ''three'' meanings to the word "snuff". --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 15:35, 30 January 2011 (CET)
But Terry, rather thankfuly, spares us the third...--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 14:00, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

Ah. Vimes investigating a murder, or series of, in an upscale country mansion house.

Which way will it leap?

"I accuse Colonel Rustard, in the library, with the lead pipe!"

Or will he be upstaged either by a nosy old lady, or by a portly, fussily dressed, amateur detective from the Sto Kerrig/Quirm borders, who will assemble everyone in the library and - in a heavy Quirmian accent - forensically dissect the evidence, progressively eliminating people from any active culpability, until only one suspect remains? Everyone, including Vimes, wil be a suspect, naturally! (In which case, Vimes is reduced to the status of he well-meaning but essentially thick local plod who officially makes the arrest after either Poirot or Miss Marple have done the detective work...) --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 17:34, 3 March 2011 (CET)

Wrong all the way! But glad I was... --[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 13:58, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

== Continuity ==

I've found terry's lax attitude to continuity to be a bit jarring on occasion. In this book several mentions are made to sending young Sam to University specifically to become a wizard. This is obviously quite different from some of the earlier books which stated that you had to be the seventh son of a seventh son to become a wizard. --[[User:Fhh98|Fhh98]] 05:13, 21 October 2011 (CEST)

Haven't that changed gradually a bit over time, and never been the only way to be a wizard? Anyway. I haven't read it through yet but after reading more then half. It's never stated as a fact or said by any wizard or representative from UU, but rather by people i the Vimes household who says it. Maybe they have contacts, or maybe they don't consider or know of any policy from UU or how magic works? [[User:Ttias|Ttias]] 12:56, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

:To be honest, continuity completely jumped off the Disc in UA already. Only constant that remained: You have to be able to DO magic. (It was 8th son's 8th son on the Disc, btw). If sam jr can't even see octarin, his father should be concerned about people around him wanting his son dead. Trying to study at the UU without any skills in magic is, well, suicide.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 13:38, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

::From what I'm aware of, the "eighth son of the eighth son" rule applies to sourcerers (''sic''), not wizards. And ''his'' father ''must'' be a wizard. (See the "Magic" entry in {{DC}}.) --[[User:C3POwen|C3POwen]] 18:25, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

::: Eight son's eight son = wizards. Eight son's eight son's eight son=sourcerer.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 19:02, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

But the focus at the University appears to have gradually shifted, under Ridcully, from magic to science? Magic is still there running things, but the emphasis appears to have shifted to understanding how it works rather using it for its own sake. And in all the books he has appeared in so far, has Ponder Stibbons ever done even ''one'' old-time spell, or indeed been seen wih a staff? Ponder represents a new generation of wizards whose skills are otherwise directed; young Sam might fit in brilliantly with such a tutor?--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 13:58, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

:Yes, we see Ponder do actual magic. Or at least him preparing to do so. In Last Continent, when he's finally fed up with the situation.--[[User:LilMaibe|LilMaibe]] 14:25, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

== Absent Character? ==

I just realized that [[Death]] never seems to appear in this book (well, as a character).

Or did I just miss his cameo? Can some other fan double-check that? I think he was in every book before (except the Wee-Free Men of course). [[User:CharonX|CharonX]] 02:01, 9 November 2011 (CET)
:Unfortunately he doesn't appear in Snuff, I actually found this really disappointing and am more than a little curious why Terry did this. On a happier note, welcome to this little corner of [[l-space]] --[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] 02:46, 9 November 2011 (CET)

AgProv at 12:00, 24 October 2011

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	Ah. There are now, seemingly, at least ''three'' meanings to the word "snuff". --[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 15:35, 30 January 2011 (CET)		Ah. There are now, seemingly, at least ''three'' meanings to the word "snuff". --[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 15:35, 30 January 2011 (CET)
			But Terry, rather thankfuly, spares us the third...--[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 14:00, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

AgProv: /* Continuity */

2011-10-24T11:59:19Z

Continuity

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	:To be honest, continuity completely jumped off the Disc in UA already. Only constant that remained: You have to be able to DO magic. (It was 8th son's 8th son on the Disc, btw). If sam jr can't even see octarin, his father should be concerned about people around him wanting his son dead. Trying to study at the UU without any skills in magic is, well, suicide.--[[User:LilMaibe\|LilMaibe]] 13:38, 24 October 2011 (CEST)		:To be honest, continuity completely jumped off the Disc in UA already. Only constant that remained: You have to be able to DO magic. (It was 8th son's 8th son on the Disc, btw). If sam jr can't even see octarin, his father should be concerned about people around him wanting his son dead. Trying to study at the UU without any skills in magic is, well, suicide.--[[User:LilMaibe\|LilMaibe]] 13:38, 24 October 2011 (CEST)

	But the focus at the University appears to have gradually shifted, under Ridcully, from magic to science? Magic is still there running things, but the emphasis appears to have ~~shited~~ to understanding how it works ~~raher~~ using it for its own sake. And in all the books h has appeared in so far, has Ponder Stibbons ever done even ''one'' old-time spell, or indeed been seen wih a staff? Ponder represents a new generation of wizards whose skills are otherwise directed; young Sam ~~migt~~ fit in brilliantly with such a tutor?--[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 13:58, 24 October 2011 (CEST)		But the focus at the University appears to have gradually shifted, under Ridcully, from magic to science? Magic is still there running things, but the emphasis appears to have shifted to understanding how it works rather using it for its own sake. And in all the books he has appeared in so far, has Ponder Stibbons ever done even ''one'' old-time spell, or indeed been seen wih a staff? Ponder represents a new generation of wizards whose skills are otherwise directed; young Sam might fit in brilliantly with such a tutor?--[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 13:58, 24 October 2011 (CEST)