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Old Dickens: dead link

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dead link

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	== Roundworld equivalent ==		== Roundworld equivalent ==

	OK I know a wiki isn't the right place to post current-event-blog-satire but this picture nails the Roundworld-Vetinari to an accuracy of 225%		OK I know a wiki isn't the right place to post current-event-blog-satire but this picture nails the Roundworld-Vetinari to an accuracy of 225%<BR>
			(Putin-related image unavailable. Hmmm.)<BR>
	~~[[http://punditkitchen~~.~~files~~.~~wordpress.com/2009/01/political-pictures-putin-gr.jpg Vlad Putin pic]]~~

	[[User:Iron Hippo\|Iron Hippo]] 22:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)		[[User:Iron Hippo\|Iron Hippo]] 22:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Old Dickens: the missing chapter, again

2018-02-18T06:16:06Z

the missing chapter, again

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	Assuming that Vetinari is seventeen during Night Watch, it's impossible (unless he ages in a ''very'' strange way) that he could be the Patrician during the events of The Colour of Magic or Mort. Since in Thief of Time Susan is almost certainly in her early- to mid-twenties, I'm assuming that by Night Watch (in the present) she's at least 25. This means that Night Watch takes place around 27 years after Mort, and three years after Vetinari 'killed' Winder, meaning he couldn't possibly be celebrating his 10th anniversary as Patrician, even if he had managed to become Patrician at such a young age. Does anyone else agree? [[User:Rachel95\|Rachel95]]		Assuming that Vetinari is seventeen during Night Watch, it's impossible (unless he ages in a ''very'' strange way) that he could be the Patrician during the events of The Colour of Magic or Mort. Since in Thief of Time Susan is almost certainly in her early- to mid-twenties, I'm assuming that by Night Watch (in the present) she's at least 25. This means that Night Watch takes place around 27 years after Mort, and three years after Vetinari 'killed' Winder, meaning he couldn't possibly be celebrating his 10th anniversary as Patrician, even if he had managed to become Patrician at such a young age. Does anyone else agree? [[User:Rachel95\|Rachel95]]
			:Most people agree, except The Author who has, unfortunately, chosen to die rather than defend his single-Patrician hypothesis. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 06:16, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Old Dickens at 14:21, 2 August 2016

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	--[[User:Death\|Death]] 10:03, 14 Sep 2005 (CEST)		--[[User:Death\|Death]] 10:03, 14 Sep 2005 (CEST)

	:I give you [[Nightwatch]], UK hardback p. 8 from the top:		:I give you ''Nightwatch'', UK hardback p. 8 from the top:
	'You're a bit young to be sent on this contract, aren't you?'<br /> said Vimes.<br /> 'Not a contract, sir,' said Jocasta, still paddling.<br /> 'Come now, Miss Wiggs. The price on my head is at least---'<br /> 'The Guild Council put it in abeyance, sir,' said the dogged<br /> swimmer. 'You're off the register. They're not accepting<br /> contracts on you at present.'		'You're a bit young to be sent on this contract, aren't you?'<br /> said Vimes.<br /> 'Not a contract, sir,' said Jocasta, still paddling.<br /> 'Come now, Miss Wiggs. The price on my head is at least---'<br /> 'The Guild Council put it in abeyance, sir,' said the dogged<br /> swimmer. 'You're off the register. They're not accepting<br /> contracts on you at present.'

GallifreyanWitch: /* Sexuality */

2015-03-30T17:37:59Z

Sexuality

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	==Sexuality==		==Sexuality==
	I know that there are hints that Vetinari is in some kind of relationship with Lady Margolotta, but there is a hint in Unseen Academicals that he might be gay, Glenda at one point muses that 'no one knew which side of the bed he got out of, or if he got out of bed at all', suggesting that, at least in the realm of Ankh Morpork rumour, he could be gay or a-sexual. Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this idea? --(unsigned comment by [[User: Jarona]] 15 August 2014‎)		I know that there are hints that Vetinari is in some kind of relationship with Lady Margolotta, but there is a hint in Unseen Academicals that he might be gay, Glenda at one point muses that 'no one knew which side of the bed he got out of, or if he got out of bed at all', suggesting that, at least in the realm of Ankh Morpork rumour, he could be gay or a-sexual. Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this idea? --(unsigned comment by [[User: Jarona]] 15 August 2014‎)

			:While I personally don't follow the idea that he's gay (ok, I'll admit it, I'm also more than a bit Havelocked so I'm not exactly inclined to think that way - though it would be typical: all the best men are gay, taken, fictional or dead, after all) perhaps this reference/rumor is a nod towards the fanfiction archives: it's hard at times to go scrolling through AO3 without seeing his Lordship embroiled in some affair or other - often enough with Vimes. As of today there are 330 works listed as featuring Vetinari, 91 of which feature a relationship (beyond normal work, if you see what I mean) with Commander Vimes, 30 of which feature a relationship with Drumknott, 2 with Von Lipwig and even one with Carrot. And that's only on AO3 - I know there's other archives out there (Fanfiction.net springs to mind). That's quite a contrast to the 9 where he's involved with Sybil Ramkin and 8 where he's involved with Margolotta. Then there's those who suggest he's bi-sexual: there's 16 works on AO3 where he's involved with Sam AND Sybil. And then there's those with Original Characters - but thats another story (literally)
			:What I find funny is how there's even a few fanfictions out there that play on the idea of the rumors. It's hardly surprising really: a tyrants love life is bound to attract some attention from the gossip-hungry public (and political opponents, of course).
			:You can even see characters in canon speculating a bit. I'd completely forgotten (or probably naively taken as read) the quote you mentioned,but there's also a bit in [[The Truth]], for example:
			::''"Mrs Arcanum patted her hair. 'I've always thought Lord Vetinari was a most handsome man,' she said, and then looked flustered when they all stared at her. 'I meant, I'm just a little surprised there isn't a Lady Vetinari. As it were. Ahem.'! ''

			:I think part of it is that some people don't buy to the Vetinari/Margolotta relationship - I actually remember finding a page one time that listed reasons this canon-mentioned relationship might not be active during most the canon, and thus why people might not believe in it. Even before finding that I was having my doubts: there's so much potential interference with politics to start with, and the distance might not help, but it's a useful political tool both benefit from by maintaining the illusion - You can see that in Raising Steam when certain suggestions are made a train to Uberwald would ease "political" relations - which it does, in a way, but with the Dwarves mainly.
			:As a result (I think), since people are still looking for someone to pair him up with (Modern Jane Austen style), Vimes and a love/hate relationship seems to be the popular option.
			:And there goes a chunk of what I was hoping to write as a paper one day on the Patrician of Ankh-Morpork (because studying a single fictional character of the Disc is a ton more fun than revising Phytochemistry and other Herbalism related subjects that I need to do).
			:--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 17:37, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

AgProv: /* Roundworld equivalent */

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Roundworld equivalent

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	[[User:Iron Hippo\|Iron Hippo]] 22:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)		[[User:Iron Hippo\|Iron Hippo]] 22:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

			Five years on, it is possible to marvel at the prescience of this comment. Where are the Guild of Assassins when you need them? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 19:04, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

	==Vetinari In Concert==		==Vetinari In Concert==

Old Dickens: unsigned, again

2014-08-15T14:15:30Z

unsigned, again

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	==Sexuality==		==Sexuality==
			I know that there are hints that Vetinari is in some kind of relationship with Lady Margolotta, but there is a hint in Unseen Academicals that he might be gay, Glenda at one point muses that 'no one knew which side of the bed he got out of, or if he got out of bed at all', suggesting that, at least in the realm of Ankh Morpork rumour, he could be gay or a-sexual. Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this idea? --(unsigned comment by [[User: Jarona]] 15 August 2014‎)
	I know that there are hints that Vetinari is in some kind of relationship with Lady Margolotta, but there is a hint in Unseen Academicals that he might be gay, Glenda at one point muses that 'no one knew which side of the bed he got out of, or if he got out of bed at all', suggesting that, at least in the realm of Ankh Morpork rumour, he could be gay or a-sexual. Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this idea?

Jarona at 12:56, 15 August 2014

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	::I don't know whether this is the reference your thinking of, but I've just found a mention to him studying languages at the Assassins Guild in Jingo - no mention of it being a major just 'studied' - I'd of thought if he'd majored in it it would add some letters behind his name (But then again, for all we know the list of qualifications in the Yearbook might not be exhaustive) and languages would, perhaps, be a normal (if smaller if not followed up by the pupil) part of the Guilds teachings.		::I don't know whether this is the reference your thinking of, but I've just found a mention to him studying languages at the Assassins Guild in Jingo - no mention of it being a major just 'studied' - I'd of thought if he'd majored in it it would add some letters behind his name (But then again, for all we know the list of qualifications in the Yearbook might not be exhaustive) and languages would, perhaps, be a normal (if smaller if not followed up by the pupil) part of the Guilds teachings.
	::--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 06:43, 21 February 2014 (UTC)		::--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 06:43, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


			==Sexuality==

			I know that there are hints that Vetinari is in some kind of relationship with Lady Margolotta, but there is a hint in Unseen Academicals that he might be gay, Glenda at one point muses that 'no one knew which side of the bed he got out of, or if he got out of bed at all', suggesting that, at least in the realm of Ankh Morpork rumour, he could be gay or a-sexual. Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this idea?

GallifreyanWitch: /* Vetinari In Concert */

2014-05-16T10:18:55Z

Vetinari In Concert

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	Jeremy Irons learning to play the fiddle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvTxPz5L2tU		Jeremy Irons learning to play the fiddle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvTxPz5L2tU

	Considering he played the Patrician in The Colour of Magic in a very Vetinari like way it reminded me of this thread. Can now mentally see Vetinari playing the fiddle ~~now~~, and not necessarily classical.		Considering he played the Patrician in The Colour of Magic in a very Vetinari like way it reminded me of this thread. Can now mentally see Vetinari playing the fiddle, and not necessarily classical.

	--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 10:09, 16 May 2014 (UTC)		--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 10:09, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

GallifreyanWitch: /* Vetinari In Concert */

2014-05-16T10:09:00Z

Vetinari In Concert

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	--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 01:15, 3 December 2013 (GMT)		--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 01:15, 3 December 2013 (GMT)



			Just been wondering across Youtube in search of tips on how to play irish fiddle music and due to the interconnectedness of all things stumbled upon this:

			Jeremy Irons learning to play the fiddle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvTxPz5L2tU

			Considering he played the Patrician in The Colour of Magic in a very Vetinari like way it reminded me of this thread. Can now mentally see Vetinari playing the fiddle now, and not necessarily classical.

			--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 10:09, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

	== Glorious Revolution ==		== Glorious Revolution ==

GallifreyanWitch: /* A most amusing bit of trivia */

2014-02-21T06:43:30Z

A most amusing bit of trivia

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	Very sorry to post again, but rereading your post I couldn't help but wonder where it says Vetinari's multilingual. Personally I think he is, but I don't recall any direct mention in the books (except or the hint when he understands but claims not to have spoken - which is different to not being able to speak - Klatchian in {{J}} ) and based on his list of qualifications there's no mention of him being a Doctor of Languages (which seems odd considering everything else he's got and the relevance of such a qualification to his occupation). --[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 19:52, 28 January 2014 (UTC)		Very sorry to post again, but rereading your post I couldn't help but wonder where it says Vetinari's multilingual. Personally I think he is, but I don't recall any direct mention in the books (except or the hint when he understands but claims not to have spoken - which is different to not being able to speak - Klatchian in {{J}} ) and based on his list of qualifications there's no mention of him being a Doctor of Languages (which seems odd considering everything else he's got and the relevance of such a qualification to his occupation). --[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 19:52, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
	:I remember the mention of languages as his academic "major" at the College. I can't say where it was, of course. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 22:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)		:I remember the mention of languages as his academic "major" at the College. I can't say where it was, of course. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 22:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
			::I don't know whether this is the reference your thinking of, but I've just found a mention to him studying languages at the Assassins Guild in Jingo - no mention of it being a major just 'studied' - I'd of thought if he'd majored in it it would add some letters behind his name (But then again, for all we know the list of qualifications in the Yearbook might not be exhaustive) and languages would, perhaps, be a normal (if smaller if not followed up by the pupil) part of the Guilds teachings.
			::--[[User:GallifreyanWitch\|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch\|talk]]) 06:43, 21 February 2014 (UTC)