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DugBride: adding inspiration notion

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	I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant\|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?". (unsigned comment by [[User:Confusion]] 02:49, 22 December 2013‎)		I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant\|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?". (unsigned comment by [[User:Confusion]] 02:49, 22 December 2013‎)
	:Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT)		:Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT)

			==Inspiration?==
			Just looking into the description of Lady Margolotta, and she is remarkably similar to UK sitcom character legend [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Life_(1975_TV_series)#Margo_Leadbetter Margo Leadbetter], hair, pearls, fashion and name are all very close.

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	::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)		::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
	:[http://ladymargolotta.livejournal.com/ This lady nails her!] --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 18:07, 25 April 2015 (UTC)		:[http://ladymargolotta.livejournal.com/ This lady nails her!] --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 18:07, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

			The scariest thing in the world: an intelligent Sarah Palin without the specs. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 22:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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	:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)		:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
	::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)		::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
			:[http://ladymargolotta.livejournal.com/ This lady nails her!] --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 18:07, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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	Or, I'm forced to conclude, a very unconvincing transvestite. Should we search for different? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)		Or, I'm forced to conclude, a very unconvincing transvestite. Should we search for different? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
	:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)		:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
			::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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	:That picture is driving me mad! She looks like a Zombie. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)		:That picture is driving me mad! She looks like a Zombie. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
	Or, I'm forced to conclude, a very unconvincing transvestite. Should we search for different? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)		Or, I'm forced to conclude, a very unconvincing transvestite. Should we search for different? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
			:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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	This artwork appears here with the express permission of its creator and should not be copied elsewhere on the Web without her permission. Thank you!		This artwork appears here with the express permission of its creator and should not be copied elsewhere on the Web without her permission. Thank you!
	:That picture is driving me mad! She looks like a Zombie. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)		:That picture is driving me mad! She looks like a Zombie. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
			Or, I'm forced to conclude, a very unconvincing transvestite. Should we search for different? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Old Dickens: /* Picture Credits? */

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	This artwork appears here with the express permission of its creator and should not be copied elsewhere on the Web without her permission. Thank you!		This artwork appears here with the express permission of its creator and should not be copied elsewhere on the Web without her permission. Thank you!
			:That picture is driving me mad! She looks like a Zombie. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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	Is she a victim of sexism as well as speciesism? Vetinari is not necessarily ''nice'', he does what's necessary for the greater good. If someone takes the wrong door out of the Oblong Office we don't call him an evil despot. They're alike as two peas; Margolotta's just been at it longer. Why would Havelock Vetinari maintain this lifelong friendship with this evil person bent on mischief toward the world he's working toward? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] 02:26, 25 April 2011 (CEST)		Is she a victim of sexism as well as speciesism? Vetinari is not necessarily ''nice'', he does what's necessary for the greater good. If someone takes the wrong door out of the Oblong Office we don't call him an evil despot. They're alike as two peas; Margolotta's just been at it longer. Why would Havelock Vetinari maintain this lifelong friendship with this evil person bent on mischief toward the world he's working toward? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] 02:26, 25 April 2011 (CEST)

	I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant\|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?".		I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant\|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?". (unsigned comment by [[User:Confusion]] 02:49, 22 December 2013‎)
	:Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT)		:Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT)

Old Dickens: /* Which Margolotta? */

2013-12-22T02:58:26Z

Which Margolotta?

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	I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant\|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?".		I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant\|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?".
			:Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT)

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Confusion: /* Which Margolotta? */ agreement

2013-12-22T02:49:44Z

Which Margolotta?: agreement

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	Is she a victim of sexism as well as speciesism? Vetinari is not necessarily ''nice'', he does what's necessary for the greater good. If someone takes the wrong door out of the Oblong Office we don't call him an evil despot. They're alike as two peas; Margolotta's just been at it longer. Why would Havelock Vetinari maintain this lifelong friendship with this evil person bent on mischief toward the world he's working toward? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] 02:26, 25 April 2011 (CEST)		Is she a victim of sexism as well as speciesism? Vetinari is not necessarily ''nice'', he does what's necessary for the greater good. If someone takes the wrong door out of the Oblong Office we don't call him an evil despot. They're alike as two peas; Margolotta's just been at it longer. Why would Havelock Vetinari maintain this lifelong friendship with this evil person bent on mischief toward the world he's working toward? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] 02:26, 25 April 2011 (CEST)

			I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant\|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?".

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	::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)		::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
	:[http://ladymargolotta.livejournal.com/ This lady nails her!] --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 18:07, 25 April 2015 (UTC)		:[http://ladymargolotta.livejournal.com/ This lady nails her!] --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 18:07, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

			The scariest thing in the world: an intelligent Sarah Palin without the specs. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 22:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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	:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)		:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
	::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)		::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
			:[http://ladymargolotta.livejournal.com/ This lady nails her!] --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 18:07, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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	Or, I'm forced to conclude, a very unconvincing transvestite. Should we search for different? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)		Or, I'm forced to conclude, a very unconvincing transvestite. Should we search for different? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
	:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)		:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
			::Its kind of terrifying --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 02:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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	:That picture is driving me mad! She looks like a Zombie. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)		:That picture is driving me mad! She looks like a Zombie. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
	Or, I'm forced to conclude, a very unconvincing transvestite. Should we search for different? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)		Or, I'm forced to conclude, a very unconvincing transvestite. Should we search for different? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 13:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
			:That too. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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	Is she a victim of sexism as well as speciesism? Vetinari is not necessarily ''nice'', he does what's necessary for the greater good. If someone takes the wrong door out of the Oblong Office we don't call him an evil despot. They're alike as two peas; Margolotta's just been at it longer. Why would Havelock Vetinari maintain this lifelong friendship with this evil person bent on mischief toward the world he's working toward? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] 02:26, 25 April 2011 (CEST)		Is she a victim of sexism as well as speciesism? Vetinari is not necessarily ''nice'', he does what's necessary for the greater good. If someone takes the wrong door out of the Oblong Office we don't call him an evil despot. They're alike as two peas; Margolotta's just been at it longer. Why would Havelock Vetinari maintain this lifelong friendship with this evil person bent on mischief toward the world he's working toward? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] 02:26, 25 April 2011 (CEST)

	I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant\|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?".		I agree, there has been no indication that Margolotta is particularly evil. I think that it not necessarily sexism, just the fact that we know so little about her. She is the only known character to attribute the problems in Überwald to, simply because she was alive at the time and has no alibi. We cannot say for certain that she was not evil then, but it seems unlikely from her behavior recently, particularly in [[Book:The Fifth Elephant\|The Fifth Elephant]]. By the way, though, it was Vetinary who taught her, not vice versa. I will try to find the quote soon, but it was along the lines of "I'm sorry, you think I taught him?". (unsigned comment by [[User:Confusion]] 02:49, 22 December 2013‎)
	:Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT)		:Vetinari and Margolotta are both forces for the improvement of the Discworld, but that's because they're both skilled politicians: don't take them too literally. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:58, 22 December 2013 (GMT)