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Old Dickens: er...

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	== The ''lias fàil'' in Irish mythology ==		== The ''lias fàil'' in Irish mythology ==

	Just out of interest, the personal name ''[[Lias Bluestone\|Lias]]'' has ~~occured~~ more than once for Trolls in the Discworld. This suggests TP is aware of the Irish myth and that the Gaelic word "lias" simply means "stone", and is therefore a valid prenomen for trolls of a more "Hibernian" disposition? No doubt more will be explained in the forthcoming [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld\|The Folklore of Discworld]].--[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 08:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)		Just out of interest, the personal name ''[[Lias Bluestone\|Lias]]'' has occurred more than once for Trolls in the Discworld. This suggests TP is aware of the Irish myth and that the Gaelic word "lias" simply means "stone", and is therefore a valid prenomen for trolls of a more "Hibernian" disposition? No doubt more will be explained in the forthcoming [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld\|The Folklore of Discworld]].--[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 08:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


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	This parallel to the Arkenstone in no way invalidates the annotations previously listed. But now the story of T5E seems to spring forth from the latter chapters of The Hobbit. Thoughts? [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum\|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum\|talk]]) 20:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)		This parallel to the Arkenstone in no way invalidates the annotations previously listed. But now the story of T5E seems to spring forth from the latter chapters of The Hobbit. Thoughts? [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum\|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum\|talk]]) 20:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
	:Many similar fish may be found in the same stream. See ''Lia Fáil'', above (I don't find it with an "s" on the end), also: Stones of Mora (Swedish), Prince's Stone (Slovenian), Lingam (Hindu), and other sacred or magical rocks and gems. Of course, the Arkenstone is a jewel and prettier than a slab of sandstone. It might correspond better to the British throne's scepter (or orb) than the Stone of ~~Scoone~~. See a hilarious illustration of a Dwarf King [https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-orb/527574/ here]. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)		:Many similar fish may be found in the same stream. See ''Lia Fáil'', above (I don't find it with an "s" on the end), also: Stones of Mora (Swedish), Prince's Stone (Slovenian), Lingam (Hindu), and other sacred or magical rocks and gems. Of course, the Arkenstone is a jewel and prettier than a slab of sandstone. It might correspond better to the British throne's scepter (or orb) than the Stone of Scone. See a hilarious illustration of a Dwarf King [https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-orb/527574/ here]. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Old Dickens: more rocks

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	Bilbo steals the Arkenstone, and gives it to non-Dwarves, to Men and Elves who are not yet enemies, certainly not friends, but who exist currently in a tenuous, knife-edged truce. The Men and Elves ransom the Arkenstone, offering it to the Dwarven king in exchange for treasure. The Men, Elves, and Dwarves just about commit to war when instead they unite against goblins, and wargs -- an evil kind of demonic wolves.		Bilbo steals the Arkenstone, and gives it to non-Dwarves, to Men and Elves who are not yet enemies, certainly not friends, but who exist currently in a tenuous, knife-edged truce. The Men and Elves ransom the Arkenstone, offering it to the Dwarven king in exchange for treasure. The Men, Elves, and Dwarves just about commit to war when instead they unite against goblins, and wargs -- an evil kind of demonic wolves.

	This parallel to the Arkenstone in no way invalidates the annotations previously listed. But now the story of T5E seems to spring forth from the latter chapters of The Hobbit. Thoughts?[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum\|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum\|talk]]) 20:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)		This parallel to the Arkenstone in no way invalidates the annotations previously listed. But now the story of T5E seems to spring forth from the latter chapters of The Hobbit. Thoughts? [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum\|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum\|talk]]) 20:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
			:Many similar fish may be found in the same stream. See ''Lia Fáil'', above (I don't find it with an "s" on the end), also: Stones of Mora (Swedish), Prince's Stone (Slovenian), Lingam (Hindu), and other sacred or magical rocks and gems. Of course, the Arkenstone is a jewel and prettier than a slab of sandstone. It might correspond better to the British throne's scepter (or orb) than the Stone of Scoone. See a hilarious illustration of a Dwarf King [https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-orb/527574/ here]. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Old Dickens: /* Pronunciation */

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Pronunciation

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	==Pronunciation==		==Pronunciation==
	I notice that Stephen Briggs, in ''Raising Steam'', pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family ''and'' Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)<BR>		I notice that Stephen Briggs, in ''Raising Steam'', pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family ''and'' Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)<BR>
	...then I check Wikipedia and find that the controversy has gone on for some time and there is a north-south split in Britain. (Indeed, later in the reading, Mrs Simnel pronounces it "scon".) --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 01:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)		...then I check Wikipedia and find that the controversy has gone on for some time and there is a north-south split in Britain. (Indeed, later in the reading, Mrs Simnel pronounces it "scon".) --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 01:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)<BR>
			Scone/stone jokes go back at least to {{wp\|1066 and All That\|''1066 and All That''}} in 1930, probably long before. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 02:36, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

	==The Arkenstone==		==The Arkenstone==

Moishe Rosenbaum: /* Pronunciation */ The Arkenstone

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Pronunciation: The Arkenstone

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	I notice that Stephen Briggs, in ''Raising Steam'', pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family ''and'' Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)<BR>		I notice that Stephen Briggs, in ''Raising Steam'', pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family ''and'' Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)<BR>
	...then I check Wikipedia and find that the controversy has gone on for some time and there is a north-south split in Britain. (Indeed, later in the reading, Mrs Simnel pronounces it "scon".) --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 01:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)		...then I check Wikipedia and find that the controversy has gone on for some time and there is a north-south split in Britain. (Indeed, later in the reading, Mrs Simnel pronounces it "scon".) --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 01:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

			==The Arkenstone==
			It's been decades since I read The Hobbit. But I just was listening to Alastair Stephens' "TABAgain" podcast, and I learned about the Dwarvish Arkenstone. Let me know if I get some of this wrong, Tolkien afficianados...

			The Arkenstone is the symbol, the badge of office, the token legitimizing the King of Erebor... to the extent that the Kingdom of Erebor can hardly be said to exist without the Arkenstone itself.

			Bilbo steals the Arkenstone, and gives it to non-Dwarves, to Men and Elves who are not yet enemies, certainly not friends, but who exist currently in a tenuous, knife-edged truce. The Men and Elves ransom the Arkenstone, offering it to the Dwarven king in exchange for treasure. The Men, Elves, and Dwarves just about commit to war when instead they unite against goblins, and wargs -- an evil kind of demonic wolves.

			This parallel to the Arkenstone in no way invalidates the annotations previously listed. But now the story of T5E seems to spring forth from the latter chapters of The Hobbit. Thoughts?[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum\|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum\|talk]]) 20:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Old Dickens: /* Pronunciation */

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Pronunciation

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	==Pronunciation==		==Pronunciation==
	I notice that Stephen Briggs, in ''Raising Steam'', pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family ''and'' Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)<BR>		I notice that Stephen Briggs, in ''Raising Steam'', pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family ''and'' Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)<BR>
	...then I check Wikipedia and find that the controversy has gone on for some time and there is a north-south split in Britain. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 01:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)		...then I check Wikipedia and find that the controversy has gone on for some time and there is a north-south split in Britain. (Indeed, later in the reading, Mrs Simnel pronounces it "scon".) --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 01:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Old Dickens at 01:02, 25 August 2015

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	==Pronunciation==		==Pronunciation==
	I notice that Stephen Briggs, in ''Raising Steam'', pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family ''and'' Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)		I notice that Stephen Briggs, in ''Raising Steam'', pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family ''and'' Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)<BR>
			...then I check Wikipedia and find that the controversy has gone on for some time and there is a north-south split in Britain. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 01:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Old Dickens: Pronunciation

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Pronunciation

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	Just out of interest, the personal name ''[[Lias Bluestone\|Lias]]'' has occured more than once for Trolls in the Discworld. This suggests TP is aware of the Irish myth and that the Gaelic word "lias" simply means "stone", and is therefore a valid prenomen for trolls of a more "Hibernian" disposition? No doubt more will be explained in the forthcoming [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld\|The Folklore of Discworld]].--[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 08:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)		Just out of interest, the personal name ''[[Lias Bluestone\|Lias]]'' has occured more than once for Trolls in the Discworld. This suggests TP is aware of the Irish myth and that the Gaelic word "lias" simply means "stone", and is therefore a valid prenomen for trolls of a more "Hibernian" disposition? No doubt more will be explained in the forthcoming [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld\|The Folklore of Discworld]].--[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] 08:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)




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	I thought that was the actual quote...not "the thing, the whole thing, and nothing but the thing"?		I thought that was the actual quote...not "the thing, the whole thing, and nothing but the thing"?

	I think (whoever wrote the above) is right. [[User:Hapenny\|Hapenny]] 21:39, 17 April 2012 (CEST)		:I think (whoever wrote the above) is right. [[User:Hapenny\|Hapenny]] 21:39, 17 April 2012 (CEST)

			==Pronunciation==
			I notice that Stephen Briggs, in ''Raising Steam'', pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family ''and'' Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Osiris: 1 revision: Talk Namespace

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== The ''lias fàil'' in Irish mythology ==

Just out of interest, the personal name ''[[Lias Bluestone|Lias]]'' has occured more than once for Trolls in the Discworld. This suggests TP is aware of the Irish myth and that the Gaelic word "lias" simply means "stone", and is therefore a valid prenomen for trolls of a more "Hibernian" disposition? No doubt more will be explained in the forthcoming [[Book:The Folklore of Discworld|The Folklore of Discworld]].--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 08:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== The Thing and the Whole of the Thing ==

I thought that was the actual quote...not "the thing, the whole thing, and nothing but the thing"?

I think (whoever wrote the above) is right. [[User:Hapenny|Hapenny]] 21:39, 17 April 2012 (CEST)

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	Bilbo steals the Arkenstone, and gives it to non-Dwarves, to Men and Elves who are not yet enemies, certainly not friends, but who exist currently in a tenuous, knife-edged truce. The Men and Elves ransom the Arkenstone, offering it to the Dwarven king in exchange for treasure. The Men, Elves, and Dwarves just about commit to war when instead they unite against goblins, and wargs -- an evil kind of demonic wolves.		Bilbo steals the Arkenstone, and gives it to non-Dwarves, to Men and Elves who are not yet enemies, certainly not friends, but who exist currently in a tenuous, knife-edged truce. The Men and Elves ransom the Arkenstone, offering it to the Dwarven king in exchange for treasure. The Men, Elves, and Dwarves just about commit to war when instead they unite against goblins, and wargs -- an evil kind of demonic wolves.

	This parallel to the Arkenstone in no way invalidates the annotations previously listed. But now the story of T5E seems to spring forth from the latter chapters of The Hobbit. Thoughts?[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum\|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum\|talk]]) 20:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)		This parallel to the Arkenstone in no way invalidates the annotations previously listed. But now the story of T5E seems to spring forth from the latter chapters of The Hobbit. Thoughts? [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum\|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum\|talk]]) 20:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
			:Many similar fish may be found in the same stream. See ''Lia Fáil'', above (I don't find it with an "s" on the end), also: Stones of Mora (Swedish), Prince's Stone (Slovenian), Lingam (Hindu), and other sacred or magical rocks and gems. Of course, the Arkenstone is a jewel and prettier than a slab of sandstone. It might correspond better to the British throne's scepter (or orb) than the Stone of Scoone. See a hilarious illustration of a Dwarf King [https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-orb/527574/ here]. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 16:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)