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	Nothing called the "Widdershin Gate" is marked on the updated city map. I have gone back to the original [[SAM]] but there is no trace of a Widdershin Gate here either. The {{DC}} and {{NDC}} do not list it.		Nothing called the "Widdershin Gate" is marked on the updated city map. I have gone back to the original {{SAM}} but there is no trace of a Widdershin Gate here either. The {{DC}} and {{NDC}} do not list it.

	I am wondering, as this is a reference from the very first Discworld book where a lot of references were not fully formed, if this was later renamed. "Deosil" (Turnwise?) is the opposite direction to "widdershins". The gate directly opposite to the Deosil Gate was left un-named on the original {{SAM}}. you might expect this to be the Widdershin Gate, but in the updated map, this has been renamed the [[Trading Gate]]. COM, if I recall rightly, said that Rincewind and Twoflower, on the night of the Great Fire, left the city with every intention of going to Chirm. This would have involved leaving by a gate on the Chirm-wards side of the City, and you could make a case for this being the Trading Gate (Widdershins Gate?)		I am wondering, as this is a reference from the very first Discworld book where a lot of references were not fully formed, if this was later renamed. "Deosil" (Turnwise?) is the opposite direction to "widdershins". The gate directly opposite to the Deosil Gate was left un-named on the original {{SAM}}. you might expect this to be the Widdershin Gate, but in the updated map, this has been renamed the [[Trading Gate]]. COM, if I recall rightly, said that Rincewind and Twoflower, on the night of the Great Fire, left the city with every intention of going to Chirm. This would have involved leaving by a gate on the Chirm-wards side of the City, and you could make a case for this being the Trading Gate (Widdershins Gate?)
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	:I'd say re-write it to say that no gate of that name exists now; it may have been a local name for one of the city gates to widdershins. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:51, 9 December 2012 (PST)		:I'd say re-write it to say that no gate of that name exists now; it may have been a local name for one of the city gates to widdershins. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:51, 9 December 2012 (PST)

	It is also ~~concivable~~ that the gate may no longer exist. I can think of several possible reasons for this: 1. Possibly destroyed in the fire in The Colour of Magic / any other of the city's fire/flood combinations, 2. The city has expanded past where the gate stood and thus it has been removed / forgotten, or is simply no longer considered important enough to be named, or 3. The gate has been dismantled. It is mentioned in on least one occasion (I forget where) that residents of the city frequently take the bricks that make up the wall so that they can use them for building materials, it is not inconceivable that over time the gate simply ceased to exist. --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 22:04, 9 December 2012 (PST)		It is also conceivable that the gate may no longer exist. I can think of several possible reasons for this: 1. Possibly destroyed in the fire in The Colour of Magic / any other of the city's fire/flood combinations, 2. The city has expanded past where the gate stood and thus it has been removed / forgotten, or is simply no longer considered important enough to be named, or 3. The gate has been dismantled. It is mentioned in on least one occasion (I forget where) that residents of the city frequently take the bricks that make up the wall so that they can use them for building materials, it is not inconceivable that over time the gate simply ceased to exist. --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 22:04, 9 December 2012 (PST)

	A Widdershins Road is indexed in the directory at the back of {{CAM}}, as present in map square B5. But looking at the map, there seems top be no trace of this street, which is irritating. A fresh pair of eyes looking at the map might help? Ah well...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 16:23, 10 December 2012 (PST)		A Widdershins Road is indexed in the directory at the back of {{CAM}}, as present in map square B5. But looking at the map, there seems top be no trace of this street, which is irritating. A fresh pair of eyes looking at the map might help? Ah well...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 16:23, 10 December 2012 (PST)

Zdm: /* Possible Resolution */ new section

2012-12-14T02:01:08Z

Possible Resolution: new section

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	A fresh pair of eyes did help. I blame this on late night, small text and indifferent lighting: I conflated Widdershins Broadway with the entry just above it, Wickerweed Street, and came up with Widdershins Street. Then spent ten minutes squinting at B5 looking for a street that did not exist. Ah well. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 05:48, 11 December 2012 (PST)		A fresh pair of eyes did help. I blame this on late night, small text and indifferent lighting: I conflated Widdershins Broadway with the entry just above it, Wickerweed Street, and came up with Widdershins Street. Then spent ten minutes squinting at B5 looking for a street that did not exist. Ah well. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 05:48, 11 December 2012 (PST)
	:...an niver touched a drop, yeronner, 'sgods' truth! --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 15:20, 11 December 2012 (PST)		:...an niver touched a drop, yeronner, 'sgods' truth! --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 15:20, 11 December 2012 (PST)

			== Possible Resolution ==

			On rereading The Colour of Magic I may have found what has happened to our mysterious gateway. The book reads, "The timbers of the Widdershin Gate were already on fire when Rincwind [...] reached them." and "They rode through just before the first of the big gate timbers descended in an explosion of sparks." From this we can tell that the gate was wooden but from other occasions we know that the city walls are some form of stone brick. This suggests that the gate may be a minor or temporary gate which may not have been rebuilt after the fire. --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 18:01, 13 December 2012 (PST)

Old Dickens: /* Small problem */

2012-12-11T23:20:49Z

Small problem

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	:I don't even see the directory listing. P.127 has Widdershins Broadway, no road. Do you have a collectible early copy with an error? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 17:10, 10 December 2012 (PST)		:I don't even see the directory listing. P.127 has Widdershins Broadway, no road. Do you have a collectible early copy with an error? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 17:10, 10 December 2012 (PST)
	A fresh pair of eyes did help. I blame this on late night, small text and indifferent lighting: I conflated Widdershins Broadway with the entry just above it, Wickerweed Street, and came up with Widdershins Street. Then spent ten minutes squinting at B5 looking for a street that did not exist. Ah well. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 05:48, 11 December 2012 (PST)		A fresh pair of eyes did help. I blame this on late night, small text and indifferent lighting: I conflated Widdershins Broadway with the entry just above it, Wickerweed Street, and came up with Widdershins Street. Then spent ten minutes squinting at B5 looking for a street that did not exist. Ah well. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 05:48, 11 December 2012 (PST)
			:...an niver touched a drop, yeronner, 'sgods' truth! --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 15:20, 11 December 2012 (PST)

AgProv: /* Small problem */ resolution. Human Eyeball v1.0 crashed at 0030am. Fatal lack-of-light error. It has since rebooted following shutdown.

2012-12-11T13:48:04Z

Small problem: resolution. Human Eyeball v1.0 crashed at 0030am. Fatal lack-of-light error. It has since rebooted following shutdown.

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	A Widdershins Road is indexed in the directory at the back of {{CAM}}, as present in map square B5. But looking at the map, there seems top be no trace of this street, which is irritating. A fresh pair of eyes looking at the map might help? Ah well...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 16:23, 10 December 2012 (PST)		A Widdershins Road is indexed in the directory at the back of {{CAM}}, as present in map square B5. But looking at the map, there seems top be no trace of this street, which is irritating. A fresh pair of eyes looking at the map might help? Ah well...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 16:23, 10 December 2012 (PST)
	:I don't even see the directory listing. P.127 has Widdershins Broadway, no road. Do you have a collectible early copy with an error? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 17:10, 10 December 2012 (PST)		:I don't even see the directory listing. P.127 has Widdershins Broadway, no road. Do you have a collectible early copy with an error? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 17:10, 10 December 2012 (PST)
			A fresh pair of eyes did help. I blame this on late night, small text and indifferent lighting: I conflated Widdershins Broadway with the entry just above it, Wickerweed Street, and came up with Widdershins Street. Then spent ten minutes squinting at B5 looking for a street that did not exist. Ah well. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 05:48, 11 December 2012 (PST)

Old Dickens at 01:10, 11 December 2012

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	A Widdershins Road is indexed in the directory at the back of {{CAM}}, as present in map square B5. But looking at the map, there seems top be no trace of this street, which is irritating. A fresh pair of eyes looking at the map might help? Ah well...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 16:23, 10 December 2012 (PST)		A Widdershins Road is indexed in the directory at the back of {{CAM}}, as present in map square B5. But looking at the map, there seems top be no trace of this street, which is irritating. A fresh pair of eyes looking at the map might help? Ah well...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 16:23, 10 December 2012 (PST)
			:I don't even see the directory listing. P.127 has Widdershins Broadway, no road. Do you have a collectible early copy with an error? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 17:10, 10 December 2012 (PST)

AgProv: /* Small problem */

2012-12-11T00:23:24Z

Small problem

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	It is also concivable that the gate may no longer exist. I can think of several possible reasons for this: 1. Possibly destroyed in the fire in The Colour of Magic / any other of the city's fire/flood combinations, 2. The city has expanded past where the gate stood and thus it has been removed / forgotten, or is simply no longer considered important enough to be named, or 3. The gate has been dismantled. It is mentioned in on least one occasion (I forget where) that residents of the city frequently take the bricks that make up the wall so that they can use them for building materials, it is not inconceivable that over time the gate simply ceased to exist. --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 22:04, 9 December 2012 (PST)		It is also concivable that the gate may no longer exist. I can think of several possible reasons for this: 1. Possibly destroyed in the fire in The Colour of Magic / any other of the city's fire/flood combinations, 2. The city has expanded past where the gate stood and thus it has been removed / forgotten, or is simply no longer considered important enough to be named, or 3. The gate has been dismantled. It is mentioned in on least one occasion (I forget where) that residents of the city frequently take the bricks that make up the wall so that they can use them for building materials, it is not inconceivable that over time the gate simply ceased to exist. --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 22:04, 9 December 2012 (PST)

			A Widdershins Road is indexed in the directory at the back of {{CAM}}, as present in map square B5. But looking at the map, there seems top be no trace of this street, which is irritating. A fresh pair of eyes looking at the map might help? Ah well...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 16:23, 10 December 2012 (PST)

Zdm: /* Small problem */ Possibilities?

2012-12-10T06:04:48Z

Small problem: Possibilities?

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	So should we delete this entry, or make an amendment to the effect that this was "right" for the {{COM}}, but the gate has since been renamed, see here? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 14:14, 9 December 2012 (PST)		So should we delete this entry, or make an amendment to the effect that this was "right" for the {{COM}}, but the gate has since been renamed, see here? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 14:14, 9 December 2012 (PST)
	:I'd say re-write it to say that no gate of that name exists now; it may have been a local name for one of the city gates to widdershins. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:51, 9 December 2012 (PST)		:I'd say re-write it to say that no gate of that name exists now; it may have been a local name for one of the city gates to widdershins. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:51, 9 December 2012 (PST)

			It is also concivable that the gate may no longer exist. I can think of several possible reasons for this: 1. Possibly destroyed in the fire in The Colour of Magic / any other of the city's fire/flood combinations, 2. The city has expanded past where the gate stood and thus it has been removed / forgotten, or is simply no longer considered important enough to be named, or 3. The gate has been dismantled. It is mentioned in on least one occasion (I forget where) that residents of the city frequently take the bricks that make up the wall so that they can use them for building materials, it is not inconceivable that over time the gate simply ceased to exist. --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 22:04, 9 December 2012 (PST)

Old Dickens at 22:51, 9 December 2012

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	I am wondering, as this is a reference from the very first Discworld book where a lot of references were not fully formed, if this was later renamed. "Deosil" (Turnwise?) is the opposite direction to "widdershins". The gate directly opposite to the Deosil Gate was left un-named on the original {{SAM}}. you might expect this to be the Widdershin Gate, but in the updated map, this has been renamed the [[Trading Gate]]. COM, if I recall rightly, said that Rincewind and Twoflower, on the night of the Great Fire, left the city with every intention of going to Chirm. This would have involved leaving by a gate on the Chirm-wards side of the City, and you could make a case for this being the Trading Gate (Widdershins Gate?)		I am wondering, as this is a reference from the very first Discworld book where a lot of references were not fully formed, if this was later renamed. "Deosil" (Turnwise?) is the opposite direction to "widdershins". The gate directly opposite to the Deosil Gate was left un-named on the original {{SAM}}. you might expect this to be the Widdershin Gate, but in the updated map, this has been renamed the [[Trading Gate]]. COM, if I recall rightly, said that Rincewind and Twoflower, on the night of the Great Fire, left the city with every intention of going to Chirm. This would have involved leaving by a gate on the Chirm-wards side of the City, and you could make a case for this being the Trading Gate (Widdershins Gate?)

	So should we delete this entry, or make an amendment to ~~trhe~~ effect that this was "right" for the {{COM}}, but the gate has since been renamed, see here? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 14:14, 9 December 2012 (PST)		So should we delete this entry, or make an amendment to the effect that this was "right" for the {{COM}}, but the gate has since been renamed, see here? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 14:14, 9 December 2012 (PST)
			:I'd say re-write it to say that no gate of that name exists now; it may have been a local name for one of the city gates to widdershins. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:51, 9 December 2012 (PST)

AgProv: A problem - no such gate currently exists. although it may once have done.

2012-12-09T22:14:43Z

A problem - no such gate currently exists. although it may once have done.

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==Small problem==

Nothing called the "Widdershin Gate" is marked on the updated city map. I have gone back to the original [[SAM]] but there is no trace of a Widdershin Gate here either. The {{DC}} and {{NDC}} do not list it.

I am wondering, as this is a reference from the very first Discworld book where a lot of references were not fully formed, if this was later renamed. "Deosil" (Turnwise?) is the opposite direction to "widdershins". The gate directly opposite to the Deosil Gate was left un-named on the original {{SAM}}. you might expect this to be the Widdershin Gate, but in the updated map, this has been renamed the [[Trading Gate]]. COM, if I recall rightly, said that Rincewind and Twoflower, on the night of the Great Fire, left the city with every intention of going to Chirm. This would have involved leaving by a gate on the Chirm-wards side of the City, and you could make a case for this being the Trading Gate (Widdershins Gate?)

So should we delete this entry, or make an amendment to trhe effect that this was "right" for the {{COM}}, but the gate has since been renamed, see here? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 14:14, 9 December 2012 (PST)

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	:I don't even see the directory listing. P.127 has Widdershins Broadway, no road. Do you have a collectible early copy with an error? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 17:10, 10 December 2012 (PST)		:I don't even see the directory listing. P.127 has Widdershins Broadway, no road. Do you have a collectible early copy with an error? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 17:10, 10 December 2012 (PST)
	A fresh pair of eyes did help. I blame this on late night, small text and indifferent lighting: I conflated Widdershins Broadway with the entry just above it, Wickerweed Street, and came up with Widdershins Street. Then spent ten minutes squinting at B5 looking for a street that did not exist. Ah well. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 05:48, 11 December 2012 (PST)		A fresh pair of eyes did help. I blame this on late night, small text and indifferent lighting: I conflated Widdershins Broadway with the entry just above it, Wickerweed Street, and came up with Widdershins Street. Then spent ten minutes squinting at B5 looking for a street that did not exist. Ah well. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 05:48, 11 December 2012 (PST)
			:...an niver touched a drop, yeronner, 'sgods' truth! --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 15:20, 11 December 2012 (PST)

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	A Widdershins Road is indexed in the directory at the back of {{CAM}}, as present in map square B5. But looking at the map, there seems top be no trace of this street, which is irritating. A fresh pair of eyes looking at the map might help? Ah well...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 16:23, 10 December 2012 (PST)		A Widdershins Road is indexed in the directory at the back of {{CAM}}, as present in map square B5. But looking at the map, there seems top be no trace of this street, which is irritating. A fresh pair of eyes looking at the map might help? Ah well...[[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 16:23, 10 December 2012 (PST)
	:I don't even see the directory listing. P.127 has Widdershins Broadway, no road. Do you have a collectible early copy with an error? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 17:10, 10 December 2012 (PST)		:I don't even see the directory listing. P.127 has Widdershins Broadway, no road. Do you have a collectible early copy with an error? --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 17:10, 10 December 2012 (PST)
			A fresh pair of eyes did help. I blame this on late night, small text and indifferent lighting: I conflated Widdershins Broadway with the entry just above it, Wickerweed Street, and came up with Widdershins Street. Then spent ten minutes squinting at B5 looking for a street that did not exist. Ah well. [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 05:48, 11 December 2012 (PST)

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	So should we delete this entry, or make an amendment to the effect that this was "right" for the {{COM}}, but the gate has since been renamed, see here? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 14:14, 9 December 2012 (PST)		So should we delete this entry, or make an amendment to the effect that this was "right" for the {{COM}}, but the gate has since been renamed, see here? [[User:AgProv\|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv\|talk]]) 14:14, 9 December 2012 (PST)
	:I'd say re-write it to say that no gate of that name exists now; it may have been a local name for one of the city gates to widdershins. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:51, 9 December 2012 (PST)		:I'd say re-write it to say that no gate of that name exists now; it may have been a local name for one of the city gates to widdershins. --[[User:Old Dickens\|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens\|talk]]) 14:51, 9 December 2012 (PST)

			It is also concivable that the gate may no longer exist. I can think of several possible reasons for this: 1. Possibly destroyed in the fire in The Colour of Magic / any other of the city's fire/flood combinations, 2. The city has expanded past where the gate stood and thus it has been removed / forgotten, or is simply no longer considered important enough to be named, or 3. The gate has been dismantled. It is mentioned in on least one occasion (I forget where) that residents of the city frequently take the bricks that make up the wall so that they can use them for building materials, it is not inconceivable that over time the gate simply ceased to exist. --[[User:Zdm\|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm\|talk]]) 22:04, 9 December 2012 (PST)