http://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Crueltide&feed=atom&action=historyCrueltide - Revision history2024-03-28T16:48:13ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.40.0http://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Crueltide&diff=35209&oldid=prevGuybrush at 09:33, 1 February 20242024-02-01T09:33:39Z<p></p>
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<p><b>New page</b></p><div>'''Crueltide''' is a confusing concept which seems to have been forgotten since the early books. It was described as the end of the half-year, alternating with [[Hogswatch]] as the coldest, darkest point in the [[Ankh-Morpork Calendar]] year. Latterly, Hogswatch appears to occur every [[University Calendar]] year and Crueltide isn't mentioned. [[The Discworld Almanak]] suggests a Hogswatch every December and seems silent on Crueltide. <br />
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