http://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Patrician&feed=atom&action=historyPatrician - Revision history2024-03-29T08:46:20ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.40.0http://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Patrician&diff=31650&oldid=prevWiktorReads: /* Known Patricians */2021-04-01T07:59:57Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Known Patricians</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[Havelock Vetinari]]: the current Patrician (note the lack of an adjective), appearing throughout the ''[[Discworld]]'' chronicles. It is confirmed by Terry Pratchett himself as well as [[The Discworld Companion]] that he is the patrician in all books <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">except </del>for some of the events in {{NW}}</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[[Havelock Vetinari]]: the current Patrician (note the lack of an adjective), appearing throughout the ''[[Discworld]]'' chronicles. It is confirmed by Terry Pratchett himself as well as [[The Discworld Companion]] that he is the patrician in all books <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">apart </ins>for some of the events in {{NW}}</div></td></tr>
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</table>WiktorReadshttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Patrician&diff=31649&oldid=prevWiktorReads: /* Patrician during the events of Mort */2021-04-01T07:59:11Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Patrician during the events of Mort</span></span></p>
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</table>WiktorReadshttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Patrician&diff=31648&oldid=prevWiktorReads at 07:57, 1 April 20212021-04-01T07:57:59Z<p></p>
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</table>WiktorReadshttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Patrician&diff=31647&oldid=prevWiktorReads: /* Known Patricians */ added that vetinari is the patrician in all novels as that is confirmed by both The new Discworld Companion and Terry Pratchett himself. I think we need to listen to the author when he has set down that fact 2 times.2021-04-01T07:53:27Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Known Patricians: </span> added that vetinari is the patrician in all novels as that is confirmed by both The new Discworld Companion and Terry Pratchett himself. I think we need to listen to the author when he has set down that fact 2 times.</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There is a suspicion that the Patrician at the time of {{M}} may not have been Vetinari: [[Death]] attends a lavish <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">birthday </del>party for the (un-named) Patrician where there is very lavish food and drink and all present dance a drunken conga around the palace. It is perfectly possible that Vetinari might allow a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">birthday </del>party to take place which he either does not attend, or attends briefly, for reasons of State or other intrigue. But the text of {{M}} had Death in the [[Serpent Dance|conga line]] behind [[Lord Rodley]], with '''''the Patrician's small pet swamp dragon''''' holding onto Death's bony hips and looking frantically for an escape route. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There is a suspicion that the Patrician at the time of {{M}} may not have been Vetinari: [[Death]] attends a lavish party for the (un-named) Patrician<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, on the tenth anniversary of his accession to the patricianship, </ins>where there is very lavish food and drink and all present dance a drunken conga around the palace. It is perfectly possible that Vetinari might allow a party to take place which he either does not attend, or attends briefly, for reasons of State or other intrigue. But the text of {{M}} had Death in the [[Serpent Dance|conga line]] behind [[Lord Rodley]], with '''''the Patrician's small pet swamp dragon''''' holding onto Death's bony hips and looking frantically for an escape route. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We are told elsewhere that Vetinari's sole pet is the elderly terrier [[Wuffles]]. Also, he does not come over as the sort of person who would be part of the dragon fancy. And would anyone have ''dared'' get riotously drunk, and perform the [[Serpent Dance]] through every room in the palace, disrupting its normal business, picking up Palace employees, incidentally kicking over the buffet table and destroying a glass-fronted cabinet, in the presence of the abstemious and fastidious Havelock Vetinari? Or indeed in the knowledge that he would ''certainly'' know where and to whom to direct the repair bills/carpet cleaning receipts for prompt payment afterwards? (And "every room in the Palace" by implication includes those places where normal visitors would think twice about going, ie the dungeons, lest they not be allowed out again...)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We are told elsewhere that Vetinari's sole pet is the elderly terrier [[Wuffles]]. Also, he does not come over as the sort of person who would be part of the dragon fancy. And would anyone have ''dared'' get riotously drunk, and perform the [[Serpent Dance]] through every room in the palace, disrupting its normal business, picking up Palace employees, incidentally kicking over the buffet table and destroying a glass-fronted cabinet, in the presence of the abstemious and fastidious Havelock Vetinari? Or indeed in the knowledge that he would ''certainly'' know where and to whom to direct the repair bills/carpet cleaning receipts for prompt payment afterwards? (And "every room in the Palace" by implication includes those places where normal visitors would think twice about going, ie the dungeons, lest they not be allowed out again...)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Necropantshttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Patrician&diff=25372&oldid=prevAgProv: /* Known Patricians */ link2016-08-03T08:08:52Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Known Patricians: </span> link</span></p>
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</table>AgProvhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Patrician&diff=22895&oldid=prevRichvanf at 19:37, 28 December 20152015-12-28T19:37:41Z<p></p>
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</table>Richvanfhttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Patrician&diff=21740&oldid=prevShack19: /* Patrician during the events of Mort */2015-05-15T16:21:29Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Patrician during the events of Mort</span></span></p>
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</table>Old Dickenshttp://wiki.lspace.org/index.php?title=Patrician&diff=17649&oldid=prevEinFritz: Can create (at least) lordships; council could (try) to require step-down. (Both found in Jingo)2013-10-11T19:34:02Z<p>Can create (at least) lordships; council could (try) to require step-down. (Both found in Jingo)</p>
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