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==The Long Earth==
I've finally gotten around to listening/reading [[Book:The Long Earth|The Long Earth]] series. Loving the concept! --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 17:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
: This series was amazing! --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 04:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


==Taking leave ==
==Well, that hurts==
I'll be off buying cigars and incommunicado next week. Somebody might pull an extra shift on watch. Hasta luego! --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:19, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Changing the backend of architecture had a hiccup and I had to restore from my previous backup. We've all new changes since the 23rd :( --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
:will do what I can.... how long are you visiting [[Sumtri]] for? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 19:10, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:Back up again faster than expected; now about the previous problem... Is there yet hope of recovering the Discworld & Terry Pratchett namespace (or the missing images)? I have the Mended Drum archives, but I don't know what's to be done with the rest of the missing pieces. [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 21:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Hola! I'm back. Stuff seems to have been done. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:13, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
::I restored the Mended Drum archives. What other pages are you looking for? --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 18:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
:The portals on the Main Page, mainly (the About page doesn't even have the link now); there may be more I haven't seen yet. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 19:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
::I think everything is back. At least all of the ones I can find in the database are restored. Can you give me an example page with a missing image? I'll tackle those next. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 21:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
:Yay! (I wonder how you did that.) Missing image in [[Chidder]], e,g. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 22:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC) The File List suggests that all images between Aug, 2006 and the Long Drive may be missing. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]])
::Sent you an email --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 05:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


==Namespaces==
==New staff==
The new page [[Book:The Rince Cycle]] points out a need for one or more namespaces for works that aren't Books or Short Stories, unless I'm missing something: this one's a playscript but there are other things. Discuss. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:59, 11 February 2015 (UTC)<BR>
After a long period of inadequate supervision, the wiki is pleased to announce the appointment of new administrators:<BR>
(''copied from Talk:Book:The Rince Cycle''):<BR>
[[User:Jagra|Jagra]] as Head Librarian and<BR>
:Well, we've done LP records, CD's, TV adaptations, computer games..... and the playscripts are listed in the biography and all appear to be redlinked, as if the option is there to create articles.... I'd say why not? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 18:55, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
[[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Rabbi Moishe Rosenbaum]] as Spiritual Adviser . [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC)<BR>
And belatedly, having opened his email:<BR>
[[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] representing the underside of the Disc.
:Much appreciated! I'll huddle up with [[Mightily Oats|Pastor Oats]].  Thanks, Old Dickens and Osiris! [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 01:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


Why indeed, but the question is how to define a namespace (or what to call it). It could be Peripherals: as the category, but shorter would be better. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 22:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks very much; and a position that no ones going to try to assassinate me over. Ook. [[User:Jagra|Jagra]] ([[User talk:Jagra|talk]]) 22:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


: '''Misc''' --[[User:Thnidu|Thnidu]] ([[User talk:Thnidu|talk]]) 17:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:Well, you know what they say about "running on Fourecksian time"... Thanks folks. Nice to be on the team. - [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 03:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


==Mirabile Dictu==
==Discussion of respect for peripheral creations==
Chaffinch's [[Ancient and Classical Mythology]] is now the fourth most popular page here. Huh? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
(''moved from [[Talk:Jocasta Wiggs]].'')<BR>
Gee I hate ''The Watch''! Does it deserve references here beyond its own page acknowledging its existence? It has almost nothing to do with the works of Terry Pratchett.  --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:I mean, it's a related work and people are going to want to know more about it; I don't like the idea of trying to put everything relevant on that one page. And if someone wants to know more about the character in the show, who gets a lot more screen time than the book version, this felt like the right place for a little paragraph. But if the consensus is it's not wanted here, fair enough and I'll stop adding info about it. I'll note it's not universally hated, though, despite its faults. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 03:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
OK, two opinions. Is anyone invoking Terry's name entitled to advertising here? Where's the limit? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 05:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


:I'm wondering if people looking for ''Bulfinch's Ancient and Classical'' are getting their ornithology wrong on a Google search; they can vaguely remember the guy they're looking for is ''some'' sort of finch but not which exact kind. I hang around on Yahoo Answers now and again just for fun and to do some corrective trolling. it's amazing how many disinterested schoolchildren put up please for people to do their homework for them when they can't be bothered to do their own research, and to be honest, a lot of them are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier. I have a lovely picture in my head of a fairly dense American schoolchild being told to look up Greek mythology, steered to look for Mr Bulfinch, who gets it wrong and ends up on our wiki instead. Thus ending up writing about Blind Io, Petunia, Offler, Epidity, Bissonomy and the rest of the Dunmanifestin gang. Then confidently handing it in.... [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 11:21, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
::I haven't seen the show, and I don't intend to - not after I saw what the young (my age!) Ms. Pratchett had to say about it on twitter a long while ago.  But, that said... it's not a pirated fanfic, it's a legit derivative work that, as Guybrush says, people may come to this site for info about. As long as anything about it is clearly marked as from the show, or "non canonical", or something like that - as long as we're not representing ''The Watch'' as an actual Terry Pratchett creation - I'm okay with it getting coverage. Though my heart agrees with Old Dickens. And someone please correct me if I'm wrong about anything here. [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 05:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


The [[Special:Popularpages|statistics]] continue to boggle my mind. The main page approaches 3.5 million views, up a million since the New Year. The popularity ranking of views for individual pages may be obvious or wildly unlikely. At the end of 2014 I put up a short history of the wiki to fill in the "About" page. Who looks at the "About" page? They may reach 10,000 by the end of February! [[Lies-To-Children]] is more popular than [[Ankh-Morpork]]! [[Ptraci]] and [[Pseudopolis]] don't make the top 500. [[Ankh]] languishes at 2630th...Wot's it all abaht, then?  --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 02:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Terry's name appears in the titles, Rob is still credited as a producer and the Narrativia logo appears at the end, which for me is qualification enough; and no other adaptation has been different enough to require additional information like this (except maybe the TV version of {{GO}}). But it's true that the important difference between {{TW}} and other adaptations is that the official Pratchett team are clearly unhappy with the result, and that they didn't have the equivalent of the veto power Terry had on all projects while he was alive. I also understand why people don't like it, even if I did (if with plenty of reservations). I want to document it somewhere - not least for fans who want to know more about it without watching it - but to avoid contention, perhaps we should just confine it to the specific article. I can find somewhere else for the greater detail. (As it happens, [https://guild.pratchatpodcast.com I have a whole separate wiki I've been working on], on which I've already set up interwiki to L-Space.) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 12:11, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


I also cannot help but notice that new pages I started, to fill in gaps about obscure or very minor characters and situations/ places, went from 0 views to well over 600 within hours of posting. In my experience a brand-new page tends to get 8-20 hits in the first few days, I guess from regulars looking at it out of curiosity. But 644? Something odd is happening. [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 22:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
You may be right. I started here arguing against content restrictions since we don't take up any weight or shelf space.<BR>
What, then, might be reasonable limits to inclusion or linking in the wiki? So far, I and contemporaries have treated spam pretty ruthlessly because it was obvious. What credit do we give a book/story/movie/tvseries/game/... that has only a nominal connection to Terry Pratchett? We already treat [[Discworld Noir]] as if it were canon, so it's muddy. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 18:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


:Think bots! Remember just because spammers now find it difficult to post here it doesn't mean we don't still get scanned. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 13:08, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
:This discussion is getting big enough that we should shift it to the Drum, since it's no longer just about {{TW}}, but what our policy is on inclusion of stuff in general. My two cents though is that anything officially licensed should definitely be included, and that unambiguously includes both {{TW}} and ''[[Discworld Noir]]'', even though neither was written by Terry himself. -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 00:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


==Possible Outage==
We used to have a page for administrative discussion, but Osiris never liked the idea. -- [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
I've asked the cabal to make a DNS change. This should be transparent to you guys but there was a small unplanned outage last time we made a change. This change will let me cut my hosting costs by about a third so that's a good thing. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 04:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
: Never noticed. Glad to hear the financial burden is reduced. I'm still hoping to get together with my son-in-law the interweb marketing wallah to discuss revenue possibilities.  --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:32, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
::They apparently haven't made the change yet. But once they do this won't be a big deal to afford. I'd over engineered to begin with but now it's only costing about $25/month. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 13:10, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


=='''Thursday, March 12, 2015'''==
==Down time==
What are we supposed to write today? A good journalist (like Terry Pratchett) would suck it up and write a thousand words of inspiring prose and biographical notes. I'm not that good; I'm too depressed. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 20:22, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
And...we're back. They blowed that cable up real good. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 16:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
:It was just so sudden...--[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm|talk]]) 20:40, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
::I have, on occasion, thought about how terrible it would be to wake up one day to the news that Sir Pterry had died, but actually waking up to the news was shocking and a very different thing. I don't know what there is to say or write here beyond what has already been said by countless others... [[User:TC01|TC01]] ([[User talk:TC01|talk]])


[https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/2yt9j6/gnu_terry_pratchett/cpcvz46 A man is not dead while his name is still spoken.] [[User:TC01|TC01]] ([[User talk:TC01|talk]]) 02:18, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
::Railroad company doing maintenance didn't check for existing lines and dragged it's feet taking responsibility and allowing access for repairs. 1100 Tuesday to 0200 Friday complete outage. Then I had to update the DNS back to normal and wait for propagation. --[[User:Osiris|Osiris]] ([[User talk:Osiris|talk]]) 16:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
:That is brilliant. Thanks for help making me smile on such a sad day.--[[User:Zdm|Zdm]] ([[User talk:Zdm|talk]]) 03:19, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Woo-hoo!  Thanks, Osiris.  For all I understand about such things, you might as well have said "a witch flew into a tower."  Glad we are up and running again! :-)  [[User:Moishe Rosenbaum|Moishe Rosenbaum]] ([[User talk:Moishe Rosenbaum|talk]]) 18:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
::::Yeah, he often talks IT to me. I just smile and nod. He's a sort of Ponder Stibbons among us old-fashioned wizards.  --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
:::As someone who did understand all of those words...thanks for getting it sorted, Osiris! ;) -- [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]] ([[User talk:Guybrush|talk]]) 05:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


Copied from my FB page.
==Those missing facilities==
On the death of Sir Terry Pratchett, first thoughts. Having spent a lot of time trying to turn other people on to Terry and his writings and having gifted some of the most intelligent people I know copies of the books with notes attached saying "read this, you'll like it.".
Is the loss of hit counters, PopularPages and such interesting utilities due to practical or philosophical reasons? --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


Still feeling very sad as if a lot of colour has drained out of the world. Like many others, thinking he would "diminish" over a period of quite a few years. Sadly, the "diminishing" process appeared evident in his last few published books, as if he was, perhaps, creating a broad outline, filling in such detail as he could, but others (Rob Williams? Rhianna?) were completing the books. The Discworld story in "Science of Discworld 4" read as if other people had written it - the authentic Pratchett voice was missing, there were continuity problems with other books, and it read like second-division fanfic. That is, it told a good story, but the Pratchett voice and tone either weren't there or only intruded in ocassional flashes of the old brilliance.
==CQ Vade Mecum==
French site ''Vade Mecum'' has been hijacked and the link leads to a load of malevolent crap.
Their Facebook page remains and doesn't mention the problem. It wants someone with better
French than mine to ask them. -- [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 03:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)


"Unseen Academicals" was... well, Terry was in there. But it read as if at least one other writer was in there too. As well as all the continuity glitches concerning well-established characters and callbacks to previous books. Not that it wasn't good, but it could have been better.
==Page count==
Trying to do a count of total pages (the page counter having been broken for some years), I find that Special:AllPages reports:<BR>
"A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." <BR>It gives the error code
[71b51ca94cd2a7996b274243] 2022-05-12 04:37:07: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError"  [[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 04:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


I guess the next stage is going to be like it was with Tolkein - they'll milk unpublished writing and fragments for all they're worth (although Terry did once say he wanted all the files and hard drives wiped when he died, so nobody could come along and use him as a PhD thesis in literature). right down to, what did "Private Eye" once "publish", "The JRR Tolkein Laundry Lists" , or equivalent of.... a terribly sad morning. 


And Jeremy Clarkson and Jeffrey Archer are both still alive... (unsigned comment by [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 13 Mar 2015)
[[Category:Wiki Data|Discworld & Pratchett Wiki:Mended Drum]]
 
'''''“No one is actually dead until the ripples they cause in the world die away”''''' ({{RM}}) …(unsigned comment by [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 14 Mar 2015)
:So, some thinkers and writers born more than two thousand years ago are not reslly "dead", let alone Chaucer, Shakespeare or Swift. This compels us to continue the wiki for a few hundred years, at least, in whatever form advancing technology dictates.  --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
::Absolutely! We're just lucky enough to have been around during his lifetime, to have enjoyed the books as they came out and be the ones to help keep the ball rolling, rather than having to look back in time to enjoy his works. I remember thinking, when first hearing that phrase, of the Ancient Egyptian philosophy which follows much the same lines (that memory grants immortality) - and still, ''well'' over 2000 years on we know so much of them, and they lacked the modern printing press, globalisation and internet we have now.
:: Besides, theres no reason why there might not be many further additions to make in future, especially if his daughter continues the series or if Narrativia manage to make more films or the rumored TV series [Mind drifts to Douglas Adams whose film of Hitchhikers Guide only managed to be progressed upon after his unfortunate passing].--[[User:GallifreyanWitch|Verity]] ([[User talk:GallifreyanWitch|talk]]) 17:24, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 
just re-read [[Book:A Slip of the Keyboard]]. There's a bit where Terry relates a near-Death-experience he had on the operating table during what might have been a routine op to insert arterial stents. Apparently the surgeons had "fun and games" when a major artery started to spurt. This wasn't helped by Terry sitting up on the operating table and addressing an invisible presence, who apparently was {{death|offering him sandwiches}}. Did this make its way into the ham sandwich scene in {{W}}. and were sandwiches offered on a recent occasion? [[User:AgProv|AgProv]] ([[User talk:AgProv|talk]]) 23:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 
A book I haven't gotten to myself and not well described in the wiki. I had no tendency to hallucinations when I got my stents (even the big one) and {{Death|death didn't seem interested}}.--[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 01:22, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 
== ==
I do miss the User Merge and Delete. --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 15:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 
==Aaand, we're back!==
These short naps are great.  --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 23:05, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 
==Milestone==
Somewhere in the next couple of months will be this wiki's tenth anniversary. The history being lost and uncertain anyway, in those days, it may be hard to pin down a date. I must ask [[User:Death|Death]] if he can recall or look up a day. Any other recollections?  --[[User:Old Dickens|Old Dickens]] ([[User talk:Old Dickens|talk]]) 00:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 
==clacks-overhead:GNU Terry Pratchett==
I don't log on here very often, but ... Today I was starting to create a page about [http://www.gnuterrypratchett.com/ GNU Terry Pratchett], when I realized it should probably go in a non-canon namespace, such as "Meta" if there were one. This is as far as I got on it:
 
:After the death of his son [[John Dearheart|John]] while repairing a [[clacks]] tower, [[Robert Dearheart]], the inventor of the clacks system, arranged to [[John Dearheart#After his death|keep his name running continuously on the clacks]]. ''So as the name "John Dearheart" keeps going up and down the line, this tradition applies a kind of immortality as "a man is not dead while his name is still spoken".''

Latest revision as of 04:47, 12 May 2022

 This is a location to discuss non-content matters (what do we do with content disputes, vandalism, etc, what do we want to do with this wiki, and so on).


Well, that hurts

Changing the backend of architecture had a hiccup and I had to restore from my previous backup. We've all new changes since the 23rd :( --Osiris (talk) 18:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Back up again faster than expected; now about the previous problem... Is there yet hope of recovering the Discworld & Terry Pratchett namespace (or the missing images)? I have the Mended Drum archives, but I don't know what's to be done with the rest of the missing pieces. Old Dickens (talk) 21:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
I restored the Mended Drum archives. What other pages are you looking for? --Osiris (talk) 18:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
The portals on the Main Page, mainly (the About page doesn't even have the link now); there may be more I haven't seen yet. --Old Dickens (talk) 19:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
I think everything is back. At least all of the ones I can find in the database are restored. Can you give me an example page with a missing image? I'll tackle those next. --Osiris (talk) 21:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Yay! (I wonder how you did that.) Missing image in Chidder, e,g. --Old Dickens (talk) 22:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC) The File List suggests that all images between Aug, 2006 and the Long Drive may be missing. --Old Dickens (talk)
Sent you an email --Osiris (talk) 05:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

New staff

After a long period of inadequate supervision, the wiki is pleased to announce the appointment of new administrators:
Jagra as Head Librarian and
Rabbi Moishe Rosenbaum as Spiritual Adviser . Old Dickens (talk) 00:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
And belatedly, having opened his email:
Guybrush representing the underside of the Disc.

Much appreciated! I'll huddle up with Pastor Oats. Thanks, Old Dickens and Osiris! Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 01:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks very much; and a position that no ones going to try to assassinate me over. Ook. Jagra (talk) 22:20, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, you know what they say about "running on Fourecksian time"... Thanks folks. Nice to be on the team. - Guybrush (talk) 03:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion of respect for peripheral creations

(moved from Talk:Jocasta Wiggs.)
Gee I hate The Watch! Does it deserve references here beyond its own page acknowledging its existence? It has almost nothing to do with the works of Terry Pratchett. --Old Dickens (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I mean, it's a related work and people are going to want to know more about it; I don't like the idea of trying to put everything relevant on that one page. And if someone wants to know more about the character in the show, who gets a lot more screen time than the book version, this felt like the right place for a little paragraph. But if the consensus is it's not wanted here, fair enough and I'll stop adding info about it. I'll note it's not universally hated, though, despite its faults. -- Guybrush (talk) 03:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

OK, two opinions. Is anyone invoking Terry's name entitled to advertising here? Where's the limit? --Old Dickens (talk) 05:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I haven't seen the show, and I don't intend to - not after I saw what the young (my age!) Ms. Pratchett had to say about it on twitter a long while ago. But, that said... it's not a pirated fanfic, it's a legit derivative work that, as Guybrush says, people may come to this site for info about. As long as anything about it is clearly marked as from the show, or "non canonical", or something like that - as long as we're not representing The Watch as an actual Terry Pratchett creation - I'm okay with it getting coverage. Though my heart agrees with Old Dickens. And someone please correct me if I'm wrong about anything here. Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 05:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Terry's name appears in the titles, Rob is still credited as a producer and the Narrativia logo appears at the end, which for me is qualification enough; and no other adaptation has been different enough to require additional information like this (except maybe the TV version of Good Omens). But it's true that the important difference between The Watch and other adaptations is that the official Pratchett team are clearly unhappy with the result, and that they didn't have the equivalent of the veto power Terry had on all projects while he was alive. I also understand why people don't like it, even if I did (if with plenty of reservations). I want to document it somewhere - not least for fans who want to know more about it without watching it - but to avoid contention, perhaps we should just confine it to the specific article. I can find somewhere else for the greater detail. (As it happens, I have a whole separate wiki I've been working on, on which I've already set up interwiki to L-Space.) -- Guybrush (talk) 12:11, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

You may be right. I started here arguing against content restrictions since we don't take up any weight or shelf space.
What, then, might be reasonable limits to inclusion or linking in the wiki? So far, I and contemporaries have treated spam pretty ruthlessly because it was obvious. What credit do we give a book/story/movie/tvseries/game/... that has only a nominal connection to Terry Pratchett? We already treat Discworld Noir as if it were canon, so it's muddy. --Old Dickens (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

This discussion is getting big enough that we should shift it to the Drum, since it's no longer just about The Watch, but what our policy is on inclusion of stuff in general. My two cents though is that anything officially licensed should definitely be included, and that unambiguously includes both The Watch and Discworld Noir, even though neither was written by Terry himself. -- Guybrush (talk) 00:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

We used to have a page for administrative discussion, but Osiris never liked the idea. -- Old Dickens (talk) 04:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Down time

And...we're back. They blowed that cable up real good. --Old Dickens (talk) 16:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Railroad company doing maintenance didn't check for existing lines and dragged it's feet taking responsibility and allowing access for repairs. 1100 Tuesday to 0200 Friday complete outage. Then I had to update the DNS back to normal and wait for propagation. --Osiris (talk) 16:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Woo-hoo! Thanks, Osiris. For all I understand about such things, you might as well have said "a witch flew into a tower." Glad we are up and running again! :-) Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 18:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, he often talks IT to me. I just smile and nod. He's a sort of Ponder Stibbons among us old-fashioned wizards. --Old Dickens (talk) 00:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
As someone who did understand all of those words...thanks for getting it sorted, Osiris! ;) -- Guybrush (talk) 05:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Those missing facilities

Is the loss of hit counters, PopularPages and such interesting utilities due to practical or philosophical reasons? --Old Dickens (talk) 01:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

CQ Vade Mecum

French site Vade Mecum has been hijacked and the link leads to a load of malevolent crap. Their Facebook page remains and doesn't mention the problem. It wants someone with better French than mine to ask them. -- Old Dickens (talk) 03:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Page count

Trying to do a count of total pages (the page counter having been broken for some years), I find that Special:AllPages reports:
"A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software."
It gives the error code [71b51ca94cd2a7996b274243] 2022-05-12 04:37:07: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError" Old Dickens (talk) 04:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)