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People on the cover

There's 2 more I recognize on the cover, but can't recall their names: the very tall one at the back - He's next to Colon, if that is Colon (wasn't sure on that), and the one with a plastercast on his arm (i'm sure he's mentioned by name in the book).

The very tall one should be Horace Nancyball. --Iron Hippo 23:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
More guesses: Short watchman to the left of older Vimes should be Billy Wiglet. Short hunchbacked watchman to the right of younger Vimes should be Snouty (note keyring). And Ned Coates should be on the cover (for symmetrical reasons), my guess the competent-looking man between the Vimes. --Iron Hippo 17:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I had picked the flat-nosed head behind Colon as Clapman, but I missed the keys. I agreed with the other two already. Now, who's the grim-looking guy between Fred and Reg? --Old Dickens 21:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Running low on charachters here; Sgt "Knocker" Knock or Quirke are the suspects yet unaccounted for. Knock has my vote but convince me --Iron Hippo 00:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

"The grim-looking guy between Fred and Reg?" - Ned Coates? (just a guess). And the chap just behind and to the left (as we see it) of the flag, the older jowly one in rich-looking clothes and the floppy black hat. A Patrician, possibly Winder?--AgProv 22:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

No, long agreed to be Dr. Lawn, with gruesome medical instrument, I believe. I still prefer Iron Hippo's nomination above for Coates.--Old Dickens 23:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

And just to the right of the flag, three-quarters invisible in the shadow, is a cowled and hooded figure in dark grey-green. He looks like a monk or priest of some sort, his hands are apparently touching in prayer... then seen from another angle, the figures are steepled in a very familiar way. This is perhaps the young Havelock Vetinari? --AgProv 22:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It says on Wikipedia that Paul Kidby actually painted Josh Kirby in as a tribute, where Rembrandt painted himself in the original. I don't know where that is, or how worthy it is of inclusion in the article.

I expect that's Josh at the back looking over Reg's shoulder (wearing an artist's beret). --Old Dickens 23:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC) (Wish I had a real NW cover instead of this pale German PB.)

Something else

Might that guard to the left of Findthee Swing be Dai Dickins? I'm fairly sure his description included a grey or white moustache...

Man with impressive moustache must be Dickins. --Iron Hippo 23:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

And, as for the guy with the cast, Vimes did mention signing Knock's cast after beating him up...

Guy with cast is surely Harry the Hamster. Vimes beats him up, drags him over to Lawn who casts the arm and "Keel" signs it. --Iron Hippo 23:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


I intend to remove all that duplication of characters unless someone can think of a justification. I can't. --Old Dickens 01:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


Should 'Lilac' have it's own page? It wouldn't contain much, but it had such a large symbolism in he book that it would seem justifiable to give it it's own page. --Zdm 21:47, 2 October 2011 (CEST)

I'd guess anyone wanting to look up lilac would go more likely to Wikipedia, or just Google. --Old Dickens 22:40, 2 October 2011 (CEST)


Is the thunderstorm really the same that strikes in Thief of Time? In Thief of Time, it is induced by the Auditors, and is in this sense magical; but its sole purpose is to deliver a non-magical flash that provides the electricity to start the Glass Clock, and doesn't contain any magic... --EinFritz (talk) 17:05, 8 October 2013 (GMT)

I don't think anyone ever suggested before that it wasn't the same storm (and lightning-strike); there's even a bit of foreshadowing with Watchmen in a fight. Jeremy and Igor caused the particular lightning strike: is there some mention of the Auditors causing the storm? I don't know if they'd be capable. --Old Dickens (talk) 18:11, 8 October 2013 (GMT)
The Auditors cause the storm, no question about that. Jeremy tells the Auditors that a thunderstorm is needed for the lightning, and after a short dialogue the pressure drops like a stone. Lady DeJean protests, "that [this] is against the rules", but Mr. White shrugs it off: "Mere expediency". But I've overlooked the crucial point in Night Watch: "They said afterward that the bolt of lightning hit a clockmaker's shop in the Street of Cunning Artificiers". So... question answered.--EinFritz (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2013 (GMT)

Willikins in the past?

As far as I can tell, Wilikins plays no role in the past. Vimes asks for him, and Forsythe the butler just says "the scullery boy?" He does play a role in the present. Am I forgetting something, or should he be moved to the list of characters in the present time only?


Supposedly, NW was the first book TP wrote with reference to The Streets of Ankh-Morpork, but he places the gibbet in Hen and Chickens Field (Corgi PB p.293) while the mapp and other references have it down at the far end of Hyde Park. I guess there could have been two; Winder was pretty prolific. --Old Dickens (talk) 00:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)