Talk:Book:A Hat Full of Sky

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Bad link there, I think. When Tiffany steps outside for an objective view of herself she's not borrowing anything else. But what do you call it? --Old Dickens 02:17, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

A self-induced out-of-the-body experience? A short stroll on the Astral Plane? (In occult theory, the first "level" of the Astral Plane is contiguous with the Earth Plane on which we dwell, which explains the stories of seemingly waking up from sleep, getting out of bed, then looking round to see you are in fact still in bed... I've had this experience, and the moment of shock, in which you try to figure out why, if I'm over there in bed, am I also over here... if that's me over there, then who's doing the looking? This usually breaks the spell and you wake up properly then!)

Granny Weatherwax does something broadly similar to muck up the minds of the Elven horses, when she and Diamanda are being pursued inside the Dancers: she steps out of herself and dips into the horses' minds for just long enough to confuse them as to fundamental things, ie how many legs they've got. But this can't be for any prolonged length of time, as the body she has just left has an inert idiot girl slung over its shoulders... this can't really be called Borrowing, as the intent, uniquely for Granny, is to muck up the recipient's mind and cause destructive confusion, and she's barely in there for a second or two: it's more of a hit-and-run raid. She appears to spend more time in transit in and out of her own body.

Accepted terminology in Fortean circles is to call it the OOBE (Out of body experience)

--AgProv 02:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Granny's still borrowing the horse, just very briefly and with ill-will, and your half-sleep sensation and other OOBEs are things that happen to you, not things you do. (Eastern mystics have claimed to do so, but I suspect they required the ingestion of powerful herbs.) Tiffany does it on purpose and understands what's happening and no other body is involved. Her body also appears to carry on while she's gone, somewhat like Miss Level. (Which reminds me...isn't it wonderful how everyone has been so courteous as never to mention Miss Level's first name?) --Old Dickens 14:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
The roundworld term seems to be etheric projection. That still sounds a bit too mystical for a witch (perhaps what Mrs Earwig would call it.) --Old Dickens 14:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Isn't four series a bit greedy? Even the Duke of Ankh gets by with one. --Old Dickens 21:37, 9 September 2008 (UTC)