Talk:Scone of Stone

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The lias fàil in Irish mythology

Just out of interest, the personal name Lias has occurred more than once for Trolls in the Discworld. This suggests TP is aware of the Irish myth and that the Gaelic word "lias" simply means "stone", and is therefore a valid prenomen for trolls of a more "Hibernian" disposition? No doubt more will be explained in the forthcoming The Folklore of Discworld.--AgProv 08:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The Thing and the Whole of the Thing

I thought that was the actual quote...not "the thing, the whole thing, and nothing but the thing"?

I think (whoever wrote the above) is right. Hapenny 21:39, 17 April 2012 (CEST)


I notice that Stephen Briggs, in Raising Steam, pronounces "scone" to rhyme with "tone". I thought this was strictly American; my Scottish ancestors on both sides (of the family and Scotland) rhymed it with "gone". Perhaps there's a dividing line in the Midlands somewhere? --Old Dickens (talk) 20:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
...then I check Wikipedia and find that the controversy has gone on for some time and there is a north-south split in Britain. (Indeed, later in the reading, Mrs Simnel pronounces it "scon".) --Old Dickens (talk) 01:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Scone/stone jokes go back at least to 1066 and All That in 1930, probably long before. --Old Dickens (talk) 02:36, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

The Arkenstone

It's been decades since I read The Hobbit. But I just was listening to Alastair Stephens' "TABAgain" podcast, and I learned about the Dwarvish Arkenstone. Let me know if I get some of this wrong, Tolkien afficianados...

The Arkenstone is the symbol, the badge of office, the token legitimizing the King of Erebor... to the extent that the Kingdom of Erebor can hardly be said to exist without the Arkenstone itself.

Bilbo steals the Arkenstone, and gives it to non-Dwarves, to Men and Elves who are not yet enemies, certainly not friends, but who exist currently in a tenuous, knife-edged truce. The Men and Elves ransom the Arkenstone, offering it to the Dwarven king in exchange for treasure. The Men, Elves, and Dwarves just about commit to war when instead they unite against goblins, and *wargs* -- an evil kind of demonic wolves.

This parallel to the Arkenstone in no way invalidates the annotations previously listed. But now the story of T5E seems to spring forth from the latter chapters of The Hobbit. Thoughts? Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 20:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Many similar fish may be found in the same stream. See Lia Fáil, above (I don't find it with an "s" on the end), also: Stones of Mora (Swedish), Prince's Stone (Slovenian), Lingam (Hindu), and other sacred or magical rocks and gems. Of course, the Arkenstone is a jewel and prettier than a slab of sandstone. It might correspond better to the British throne's scepter (or orb) than the Stone of Scone. See a hilarious illustration of a Dwarf King here. --Old Dickens (talk) 16:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)