Talk:Young Sam Vimes

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The shorter Sam Vimes will be four or five years old by now and long past Where's My Cow? He'll have to go to school soon. Despite the convenience and outstanding reputation of the the College of Assassins, I'm sure it's not on the list. Neither would the Commander have much use for the likes of Hugglestones, I'd guess. So does that leave private tutoring? The Vimeses can afford anybody, of course, but for a few years, a governess/teacher would be common. I wonder what Susan Sto Helit has been doing lately. --Old Dickens 22:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Unless Vimes and Sybil really wanted to stir things up, or get him into Susan's class, the Frout Academy for Inquiring Young Minds would be out of the question, too! --AgProv 23:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Samuel Vimes II? Has this been confirmed? The naming convention actually dictates that since he is named after his father, he would be Samuel Vimes Jr. If young Sam decided to have a Sam of his own, then that grandchild would be called Sam Vimes III. 20:05, 18 October 2010 (CEST)

Hmm. Apparently I wrote that myself, although I don't recall his being called either one specifically. If you're sure "Jr." is the protocol, change it. --Old Dickens 21:15, 18 October 2010 (CEST) interesting if highly inconsequential point: should he rather be just Lord Samuel Vimes, His Grace having no lesser titles? "The Hon." is probably inadequate for the son of a Duke, as well. We don't have a copy of Twerp's and we don't really know how closely Morporkian forms of address follow the English. --Old Dickens 01:10, 19 October 2010 (CEST)

Young Sam's education and future

What are the odds that, if Young Sam is enrolled in Susan Sto Helit's class and, if it should come-up in conversation, mentions that he has a dragon sleeping under his bed, and Miss Susan does not believe him, so, the next day, he brings in old Dribble to show her and the class as proof, and than that this 'show-and-tell' thing becomes a regular event in Miss Susan's class in times-to-come.

This is not necessarily false information, really just a rhetorical question. What are your thoughts on the subject?


Entry currently reads, under "Trivia":-

While this is certainly plausible, and it's a reasonable guess from the known evidence, where in Terry's writings does it actually say this for definite? Sorry, but until it's there in black and white in the canon, or can be inferred logically from information therein, then it's speculation, however well informed. Which belongs here on the Discussion page and not in the main article.

It also occurs to me that going to Frouts and the Assassins' School are not mutually exclusive. Frouts takes children in their primary school years - grades one to five. The Assassins' School takes them in their secondary years - agel eleven to eighteen. Although I can't help feeling any child whose initial education was at Frouts will either be rejected by the Assassins - well, try giving Jason bladed weapons to play with, and see what happens - or else they will have a REAL wake-up call, in passing from Penelope Frout to the care of such as Mr Mericet and Miss Band. The AG school probably maintains a select list of approved preparatory schools as "feeders" to its specialised education. (Now there's a thought - a nursery/primary/prep school geared up to preparing under-tens for the Assassins' School...)

you never know, though. Perhaps, just once, Vetinari might consent to allowing the experiment to take place, as it might be educational to all concerned...--AgProv 21:03, 6 April 2011 (CEST)

Date of Birth

User:Solicitr has introduced an extra year here for reasons unclear to me. Young Sam's birth coincided with the millennial events of Night Watch and Thief of Time which need to be 1989 UC. Probably an insoluble problem in the elastic history of Discworld, but I vote for Narrative Causality and 1989. --Old Dickens (talk) 01:31, 17 January 2013 (GMT)

Different interpretation

The main page says that only young Sam could hear his father reading "Where's My Cow" from the caves beneath Koom Valley, but certainly Angua and Sally heard him reading from some 200 yards away -- in a different cave, perhaps at a different level. That's how they were able to find him -- by following his voice.

Also, the text seems to imply that Lady Sybil did possibly hear something:

"NO! THAT IS NOT MY COW! The  words echoed around the cavern and broke through mere rock, so great was the force behind them. Melted mere mountains, screamed across the miles, and in the somber nursery, young Sam stopped crying and looked around, suddenly happy but puzzled..."Coo!" said  young Sam, as his mother hugged him and stared blankly at the wall." ...."I read it for him!" (Vimes siad to Angua). "You did, sir. Very clearly, too. We were more than two hundred yards away."

So, I think his voice carried. --Wonderful Fanny (talk) 20:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)


I don't think Young Sam has ever had a line in the canon, has he? He would be the most important Mention in the category. Perhaps we know enough about him from second-hand accounts to qualify him as a Character. --Old Dickens (talk) 03:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)